EPTI suppose that is hard to regard as encouraging, I'm just trying to squeeze out a mercifully less maddening take on the situation because having a story spoiled can be a real punch in the gut.
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
I suppose that is hard to regard as encouraging, I'm just trying to squeeze out a mercifully less maddening take on the situation because having a story spoiled can be a real punch in the gut. | ||
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happyness
United States2400 Posts
Hahaha that's awesome! | ||
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
That is great. I just found this as well and I thought that I would share, hopefully it has not been posted before: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Thalandros
Netherlands1151 Posts
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
On September 02 2012 17:15 TheAmazombie wrote: That is great. I just found this as well and I thought that I would share, hopefully it has not been posted before: + Show Spoiler + http://youtu.be/LgfPYetWWJw That sound makes me cringe, but it's awesome nonetheless | ||
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Paperplane
Netherlands1823 Posts
On September 02 2012 17:26 Thalandros wrote: Heheh, I watched both seasons in a week too last June.. Now I hate my life for another half year! XD It's awesome that it's a lot of people from the internet/in particular games are fan of this series though. Or is it just that in Holland it's not famous -at all- whatsoever? The first episode airs tonight on RTL4 at 20:00, we're always so late with this kind of stuff >.> Until today it just hasn't aired on Dutch television yet so that's why not a lot of people know it yet. | ||
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Grendel
Belgium126 Posts
On September 02 2012 17:15 TheAmazombie wrote: That is great. I just found this as well and I thought that I would share, hopefully it has not been posted before: + Show Spoiler + http://youtu.be/LgfPYetWWJw It's in the original post -_- | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On September 02 2012 17:26 Thalandros wrote: Heheh, I watched both seasons in a week too last June.. Now I hate my life for another half year! XD It's awesome that it's a lot of people from the internet/in particular games are fan of this series though. Or is it just that in Holland it's not famous -at all- whatsoever? It's the magic of piratebay. Seriously though, it's virtually impossible to watch this in Europe without downloading it. Season 2 will apparently air '2013' in Sweden to be precise. Fuck that. Apparently HBO will finally come here.. Probably because everyone I know have seen some of their shows, and there are no legal ways of watching them, so the illegal downloads are probably hitting an all time high. | ||
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Zinnwaldite
Norway1567 Posts
On September 03 2012 02:57 Euronyme wrote: It's the magic of piratebay. Seriously though, it's virtually impossible to watch this in Europe without downloading it. Season 2 will apparently air '2013' in Sweden to be precise. Fuck that. Apparently HBO will finally come here.. Probably because everyone I know have seen some of their shows, and there are no legal ways of watching them, so the illegal downloads are probably hitting an all time high. Here in Norway, season 1 aired when season 2 started, season 2 will air when season 3 starts, etc.. Gotta pirate that ish.. | ||
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misirlou
Portugal3300 Posts
On September 03 2012 03:00 Zinnwaldite wrote: Here in Norway, season 1 aired when season 2 started, season 2 will air when season 3 starts, etc.. Gotta pirate that ish.. I guess portugual isnt so late in the european scene then  . Mov is already showing season 2 i believe | ||
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Aterons_toss
Romania1275 Posts
Tbh i expected something more LOTR-esc since i heard a lot about dragons, the wall, the zombie guys ( white walkers )... etc prio to watching the series. Now that i watch is it seems more like a soap opera mixed with fantasy elements. Pretty much " dumb rich guys fighting for nothing " can summarize 50% of the film, i do however give them some credit on not having horrible CGY and pulling off a rather good 10 min siege scene in E9S2. I, sadly, never read the books nor i intend to but i heard that beginning with the 3rd book there is a lot more crazy shit going on so i can only hope the series takes that turn as well. Don't get me wrong, some of the characters are ok-ish but the thing is that the only 2 that you can kinda "relate" and are not complete pussies/morons are the dwarf and little fingers. All the other "good guy" character are basically -1 Afraid to kill someone -2 Lack the ability to command an army/lack the army to command -3 Lack the brain And the rest of the bad guys are simply " In the wrong place at the wrong time" or " little bit on the mad side" people that happen to be very annoying sometimes. | ||
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brian
United States9641 Posts
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
I think I can go ahead and for once put an ultra mild book information derived spoiler in this thread by saying don't bother continuing with it because it does not get better given those reasons to dislike it. | ||
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Aterons_toss
Romania1275 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:35 Irrelevant Label wrote: What Gene said but one point in particular struck me as unusual. So...you want simple, clear, disney-like 'bad guys' and 'good guys'? That is one of the types of things the series is usually credited for as a positive, and a basis for why it really isn't fantasy in style but rather only in setting. I think I can go ahead and for once put an ultra mild book information derived spoiler in this thread by saying don't bother continuing with it because it does not get better given those reasons to dislike it. Oky, let me reformulate. The thing that i don't like about the characters is that they can't be integrated in a "fantasy" class of characters. And while this is not a problem if its "stand alone", it is a problem if you combine it with the fact that most of the character in the TV series seem to have no motives at all. Little fingers: Very vague motivation for what he is doing, he has all the money to buy himself the life of a king. What could be his motivation for wanting to be more powerful ? For wanting to ( maybe ) claim the throne or a position as right hand ? Being able to somehow "seduce" Stark widow is the only viable motive that he can have for doing what he does. Varys, Pycelle ? What are their motives... loyalty, they don't seem to be loyal to anyone for a long period of time. ( maybe Pycelle, but how long has he been loyal to the queen ? considering how many rulers he served under... not a very long time ) They change rulers like they change boots and they, once again, are both shit rich and deep into the social web of the city. Actually if you look closer those 3 characters are perfect examples of realist (naturalist even ) characters, and those fit in a world by Hugo or Tolstoy not so much in a fantasy world. In a fantasy world the men who were driven purely by greed or lust for power are naturally the bad guys, the guys that generally die... the ones that we resent, the antagonists that seem to be very much lacking here. Sure, you can have a character that is acting in a "bad" way but its no necessarily the villain... a good example would be Golum , the Steward of Gondor or even Saruman... they weren't all "pure evil must hate" guy like Sauron or the Which king but rather "good guys" that were twisted by there own fears and purposes. Maybe I am wrong but it seems to me that the series is to much of a mish mash of fantasy characters ( Tywin, Eddard and Robb for example ) and realist ( even naturalist ) characters ( such as the 3 "masters" on the council ) and than you add guys like the Dwarf which very much seems like a modernist character. And considering that most of the realist books ended up being erotic books I simply made the connection between those and soap opers ( which might be completely wrong since I never in my life watched even 1 full episode of a soap opera ) thus the conclusion that this seem to me like a mix between LOTR ( classic fantasy movie/book ) and soap opera. Hope that explains my point better... Its no like the series seems bad or anything but its hyped like its the second coming of Christ and for the life of me i can't figure out why. | ||
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kafkaesque
Germany2006 Posts
[QUOTE]On September 14 2012 03:35 Irrelevant Label wrote: Its no like the series seems bad or anything but its hyped like its the second coming of Christ and for the life of me i can't figure out why. [/QUOTE] Wait until you get to know the charming Bastard of Bolton and his pet. This will make you realize that the second coming of Christ is blant and uneventful compared to the story's brilliance. | ||
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RolleMcKnolle
Germany1054 Posts
I am not sure whether I would actually follow your classification of characters. If we take for example Littlefinger, then you were saying that we actually don't know anything about this character's motivation but you suddenly want to place them into Tolstoy's worlds? I can't immediately recall any book where characters motivations are as obvious and openly discussed as in war and peace or anna karenina. But this just as an example. You connection to soap operas seems rather vague. realistic books = erotic books = soap operas? wtf? And let me ask you, why is the dissolving of the obnoxious fantasy scheme something bad? These books are the first time that I didn't have the feeling that fantasy books are there to assure people that the world they live in isn't as bad and destructive as it seems, because there can always be a hero... I love this story because it destroys the fantasy genre in a way that seems natural and realistic through still using the usual elements of a fantasy story. | ||
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brian
United States9641 Posts
I can't comment on motives because they change throughout he series and I'm unsure of where they are over any certain episode  | ||
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Zealotdriver
United States1557 Posts
The grayness of the characters as well as the ignorance (incomplete/false information) makes for entertaining reading. Like in starcraft broodwar and 2, part of what makes it exciting is that each player has incomplete information about the game state. Certain characters that you really like make some REALLY BAD decisions that end up getting them killed and the agony of watching them follow their misguided sense of morality makes the story interesting. | ||
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Aterons_toss
Romania1275 Posts
On September 14 2012 04:47 RolleMcKnolle wrote: I am not sure whether I would actually follow your classification of characters. If we take for example Littlefinger, then you were saying that we actually don't know anything about this character's motivation but you suddenly want to place them into Tolstoy's worlds? I can't immediately recall any book where characters motivations are as obvious and openly discussed as in war and peace or anna karenina. But this just as an example. I said we don't know anything about his motives but that he follows a rather stereotypical realist character pattern ( not sure what the term for the specific character is in English but its the one where the motives are simply " Money is power and power is money thus i will obtain both power and money at any cost and generally i will do it by screwing other people over" ). The thing with most realistic novels is that a character has a very basic "motive", any character must have one, but it can be quite illogical in a "real" world. The thing that i said about the 3 guys on the council is that IN CASE THEY ARE NOT realist characters than there motives are quite vague. Thus we can ether assume: - The 3 are realistic characters and there motives are obvious, but that makes them quite unfitting for a fantasy book - The 3 are not-realistic but in that case i fail to see there motives and thus once again am not found of there time on screen ( I am referring to European/French realism here, not "American" realism ) You connection to soap operas seems rather vague. realistic books = erotic books = soap operas? wtf? Oky, so let me put it like this A realistic book is one which has limited and stagnant character types, unlike a modern novel in which characters "evolve" or a romantic novel where characters are strictly one dimensional in terms of traits/pov, a realist novel has characters with a little bit more "diverse" traits and even pov but generally there are only a few "motives" one such character can have. Tho they are not a "trademark" of realism, the erotic motives are present in many realist novels, some times the "lovers" are modern character BUT if the "love story" ( or erotic story, if you want to use fancy Latin terms ) is presented in a context where all the other characters are realistic it makes it a realistic novel, and the love story makes it an erotic novel. Hence you get an erotic realistic novel( one would assume). Most soap operas from my understanding have pretty "typical" characters and sometimes a few characters that actually show signs of evolution in terms of personality + soap operas have and are mostly based around a love story. Thus I assumed that a soap opera is the best TV equivalent of such book. And let me ask you, why is the dissolving of the obnoxious fantasy scheme something bad? These books are the first time that I didn't have the feeling that fantasy books are there to assure people that the world they live in isn't as bad and destructive as it seems, because there can always be a hero... I love this story because it destroys the fantasy genre in a way that seems natural and realistic through still using the usual elements of a fantasy story. Well i am not saying that is bad for a movie/book to exist the Tolkein boundaries of the fantasy genre but the way this book does it seem strange. You have for example movie/books such as Harry potter that very much exist some of the boundaries by having a shit ton of modern characters and "kill" characters that aren't "supposed" to die in a LOTR like book, it might not be that obvious since the book is aimed at kids/teenagers and thus its not a very "mature" or "bloody" story but the genre derivation is there. You can even have a fantasy movie/book in which the villain wins and the protagonist dies, where frodo doesn't manage to throw the ring in the volcano or where the ice lady kills that annoying little English twat. It will not be a very good one since it will leave readers with a "frustration" most likely but it can still be 99% in the boundaries of the genre established in mid 20th century. The story of the book is not what bothers me, a story about a man living his daily boring life can be a very interesting story as long as presented well. And the presentation in a movie is trough characters and graphics, things such as lord of the rings are based on the graphic side of things a lot much more than this for example. But presenting the story trough characters and there dialogues like Game of Throne does is the way that a story "should be" told. However those characters ether need to be "typical" characters, the bad guy and the good guy, so i can connect to them... so i can care for them. Or unconventional characters, and the unconventional can be much better than the conventional if done well ( aka the Dwarf ) but also can be much worse ( aka the "council guys" ). The movie doesn't deviate that much from the genre but it does it in such a way that the many deviation seem to be " involutions" rather than "innovations". Oh well, atm I am to tired to even preview this/spell check :/ Alas "art" is a matter of taste when you come to the "like vs not like". I guess that if you enjoy this a lot good for you, its not like i didn't enjoy it I fucking watched it all in a few days and 90% of it sober. Compared to other bull shit that is spilling out of holywood recently this is a good show for me. | ||
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
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