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On September 16 2012 23:47 Quexana wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Characters in Game of Thrones that fit your model of "classic" fantasy characters include "Jon Snow (the intrepid youth who seeks adventure and chivalry), Samwell Tarly (honest, humble, and loyal. In short, the perfect friend. Kinda reminds me of another Sam in a different fantasy, hmm) Brienne of Tarth (extremely noble and a near match in character to Eowyn of Rohan), Arya, Hot Pie, Lemmy, and Gendry (young and naive, though small, their travels teach them the value of courage. And though they face many hardships in the world of the Big Folk, they keep their humor and their decency) Sandor Clegane (the classic anti-hero, has lived a rough and brutal life, yet clings to his own finely honed sense of honor), Davos Seaworth (the former bad guy who has turned good, more noble than most who were born into nobility). Cercei Lannister (The Wicked Queen), Jaime Lannister (The Wicked Queen's henchman) Joffrey Lannister (the tyrannical prince, sociopathic with a huge sense of entitlement. . .Like Prince John from Robin Hood)
Those are very interesting comparisons, most of them never even crossed my mind. I always imagined those characters being so complex, yet it's true many are stereotypical in some other (good) way.
+ Show Spoiler +Sansa is also another obvious classic character, the damsel in distress.
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This is not really plot related. I seem to recall that there is a very beautiful shot in one episode where there is a black background with falling snow/mist in the foreground. Does anyone recall the shot im talking about and which episode it's in?
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On November 14 2012 22:50 snam wrote:
This is not really plot related. I seem to recall that there is a very beautiful shot in one episode where there is a black background with falling snow/mist in the foreground. Does anyone recall the shot im talking about and which episode it's in?
you might be referring to the prophecy part in episode 10, and if that is what you mean, then let me tell you that this is one of the 2 superb added scenes to the show, that were not in the books.
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On November 14 2012 11:10 lepape wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 23:47 Quexana wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Characters in Game of Thrones that fit your model of "classic" fantasy characters include "Jon Snow (the intrepid youth who seeks adventure and chivalry), Samwell Tarly (honest, humble, and loyal. In short, the perfect friend. Kinda reminds me of another Sam in a different fantasy, hmm) Brienne of Tarth (extremely noble and a near match in character to Eowyn of Rohan), Arya, Hot Pie, Lemmy, and Gendry (young and naive, though small, their travels teach them the value of courage. And though they face many hardships in the world of the Big Folk, they keep their humor and their decency) Sandor Clegane (the classic anti-hero, has lived a rough and brutal life, yet clings to his own finely honed sense of honor), Davos Seaworth (the former bad guy who has turned good, more noble than most who were born into nobility). Cercei Lannister (The Wicked Queen), Jaime Lannister (The Wicked Queen's henchman) Joffrey Lannister (the tyrannical prince, sociopathic with a huge sense of entitlement. . .Like Prince John from Robin Hood) Those are very interesting comparisons, most of them never even crossed my mind. I always imagined those characters being so complex, yet it's true many are stereotypical in some other (good) way. + Show Spoiler +Sansa is also another obvious classic character, the damsel in distress.
Some aren't very accurate. To say Jamie is Cercei's "henchman" is laughable.
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On November 14 2012 22:58 TigerKarl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 22:50 snam wrote:
This is not really plot related. I seem to recall that there is a very beautiful shot in one episode where there is a black background with falling snow/mist in the foreground. Does anyone recall the shot im talking about and which episode it's in? you might be referring to the prophecy part in episode 10, and if that is what you mean, then let me tell you that this is one of the 2 superb added scenes to the show, that were not in the books.
I looked through episode 10 but I couldn't find the shot I'm looking for 
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On November 14 2012 23:01 Arkless wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 11:10 lepape wrote:On September 16 2012 23:47 Quexana wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Characters in Game of Thrones that fit your model of "classic" fantasy characters include "Jon Snow (the intrepid youth who seeks adventure and chivalry), Samwell Tarly (honest, humble, and loyal. In short, the perfect friend. Kinda reminds me of another Sam in a different fantasy, hmm) Brienne of Tarth (extremely noble and a near match in character to Eowyn of Rohan), Arya, Hot Pie, Lemmy, and Gendry (young and naive, though small, their travels teach them the value of courage. And though they face many hardships in the world of the Big Folk, they keep their humor and their decency) Sandor Clegane (the classic anti-hero, has lived a rough and brutal life, yet clings to his own finely honed sense of honor), Davos Seaworth (the former bad guy who has turned good, more noble than most who were born into nobility). Cercei Lannister (The Wicked Queen), Jaime Lannister (The Wicked Queen's henchman) Joffrey Lannister (the tyrannical prince, sociopathic with a huge sense of entitlement. . .Like Prince John from Robin Hood) Those are very interesting comparisons, most of them never even crossed my mind. I always imagined those characters being so complex, yet it's true many are stereotypical in some other (good) way. + Show Spoiler +Sansa is also another obvious classic character, the damsel in distress. Some aren't very accurate. To say Jamie is Cercei's "henchman" is laughable.
He's by far the less archetypal character in the saga.
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On November 15 2012 01:18 CrimsonLotus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 23:01 Arkless wrote:On November 14 2012 11:10 lepape wrote:On September 16 2012 23:47 Quexana wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Characters in Game of Thrones that fit your model of "classic" fantasy characters include "Jon Snow (the intrepid youth who seeks adventure and chivalry), Samwell Tarly (honest, humble, and loyal. In short, the perfect friend. Kinda reminds me of another Sam in a different fantasy, hmm) Brienne of Tarth (extremely noble and a near match in character to Eowyn of Rohan), Arya, Hot Pie, Lemmy, and Gendry (young and naive, though small, their travels teach them the value of courage. And though they face many hardships in the world of the Big Folk, they keep their humor and their decency) Sandor Clegane (the classic anti-hero, has lived a rough and brutal life, yet clings to his own finely honed sense of honor), Davos Seaworth (the former bad guy who has turned good, more noble than most who were born into nobility). Cercei Lannister (The Wicked Queen), Jaime Lannister (The Wicked Queen's henchman) Joffrey Lannister (the tyrannical prince, sociopathic with a huge sense of entitlement. . .Like Prince John from Robin Hood) Those are very interesting comparisons, most of them never even crossed my mind. I always imagined those characters being so complex, yet it's true many are stereotypical in some other (good) way. + Show Spoiler +Sansa is also another obvious classic character, the damsel in distress. Some aren't very accurate. To say Jamie is Cercei's "henchman" is laughable. He's by far the less archetypal character in the saga.
I would say he is a Trickster that's my best guess for him just because he is one of the most deceiving characters in the series.
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I'm halfway season 2, and I'd like to say that Joffrey is a complete and total cunt.
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On November 15 2012 04:58 Recognizable wrote:
I'm halfway season 2, and I'd like to say that Joffrey is a complete and total cunt.
I would say 99.99% of intelligent life in the universe agrees with you!
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On November 15 2012 05:03 Titusmaster6 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 04:58 Recognizable wrote:
I'm halfway season 2, and I'd like to say that Joffrey is a complete and total cunt. I would say 99.99% of intelligent life in the universe agrees with you!
I know. I just felt like posting it.
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On November 15 2012 01:18 CrimsonLotus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 23:01 Arkless wrote:On November 14 2012 11:10 lepape wrote:On September 16 2012 23:47 Quexana wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Characters in Game of Thrones that fit your model of "classic" fantasy characters include "Jon Snow (the intrepid youth who seeks adventure and chivalry), Samwell Tarly (honest, humble, and loyal. In short, the perfect friend. Kinda reminds me of another Sam in a different fantasy, hmm) Brienne of Tarth (extremely noble and a near match in character to Eowyn of Rohan), Arya, Hot Pie, Lemmy, and Gendry (young and naive, though small, their travels teach them the value of courage. And though they face many hardships in the world of the Big Folk, they keep their humor and their decency) Sandor Clegane (the classic anti-hero, has lived a rough and brutal life, yet clings to his own finely honed sense of honor), Davos Seaworth (the former bad guy who has turned good, more noble than most who were born into nobility). Cercei Lannister (The Wicked Queen), Jaime Lannister (The Wicked Queen's henchman) Joffrey Lannister (the tyrannical prince, sociopathic with a huge sense of entitlement. . .Like Prince John from Robin Hood) Those are very interesting comparisons, most of them never even crossed my mind. I always imagined those characters being so complex, yet it's true many are stereotypical in some other (good) way. + Show Spoiler +Sansa is also another obvious classic character, the damsel in distress. Some aren't very accurate. To say Jamie is Cercei's "henchman" is laughable. He's by far the less archetypal character in the saga.
Yes definitely agree with this.
Over the cause of the Books I have become a Jaime fan, I just love the Character. Another pretty unique Character is Theon Greyjoy, he is like a guy who wants to do the right thing but somehow ends up destroying everything, and being totally alone. He is really a character you somehow despise and feel pity for at the same time.
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On November 15 2012 05:59 stillborn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 01:18 CrimsonLotus wrote:On November 14 2012 23:01 Arkless wrote:On November 14 2012 11:10 lepape wrote:On September 16 2012 23:47 Quexana wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Characters in Game of Thrones that fit your model of "classic" fantasy characters include "Jon Snow (the intrepid youth who seeks adventure and chivalry), Samwell Tarly (honest, humble, and loyal. In short, the perfect friend. Kinda reminds me of another Sam in a different fantasy, hmm) Brienne of Tarth (extremely noble and a near match in character to Eowyn of Rohan), Arya, Hot Pie, Lemmy, and Gendry (young and naive, though small, their travels teach them the value of courage. And though they face many hardships in the world of the Big Folk, they keep their humor and their decency) Sandor Clegane (the classic anti-hero, has lived a rough and brutal life, yet clings to his own finely honed sense of honor), Davos Seaworth (the former bad guy who has turned good, more noble than most who were born into nobility). Cercei Lannister (The Wicked Queen), Jaime Lannister (The Wicked Queen's henchman) Joffrey Lannister (the tyrannical prince, sociopathic with a huge sense of entitlement. . .Like Prince John from Robin Hood) Those are very interesting comparisons, most of them never even crossed my mind. I always imagined those characters being so complex, yet it's true many are stereotypical in some other (good) way. + Show Spoiler +Sansa is also another obvious classic character, the damsel in distress. Some aren't very accurate. To say Jamie is Cercei's "henchman" is laughable. He's by far the less archetypal character in the saga. Yes definitely agree with this. Over the cause of the Books I have become a Jaime fan, I just love the Character. Another pretty unique Character is Theon Greyjoy, he is like a guy who wants to do the right thing but somehow ends up destroying everything, and being totally alone. He is really a character you somehow despise and feel pity for at the same time.
Theon is weak-minded and of low character. No pity for the weak from me.
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On November 15 2012 09:05 AntiGrav1ty wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 05:59 stillborn wrote:On November 15 2012 01:18 CrimsonLotus wrote:On November 14 2012 23:01 Arkless wrote:On November 14 2012 11:10 lepape wrote:On September 16 2012 23:47 Quexana wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Characters in Game of Thrones that fit your model of "classic" fantasy characters include "Jon Snow (the intrepid youth who seeks adventure and chivalry), Samwell Tarly (honest, humble, and loyal. In short, the perfect friend. Kinda reminds me of another Sam in a different fantasy, hmm) Brienne of Tarth (extremely noble and a near match in character to Eowyn of Rohan), Arya, Hot Pie, Lemmy, and Gendry (young and naive, though small, their travels teach them the value of courage. And though they face many hardships in the world of the Big Folk, they keep their humor and their decency) Sandor Clegane (the classic anti-hero, has lived a rough and brutal life, yet clings to his own finely honed sense of honor), Davos Seaworth (the former bad guy who has turned good, more noble than most who were born into nobility). Cercei Lannister (The Wicked Queen), Jaime Lannister (The Wicked Queen's henchman) Joffrey Lannister (the tyrannical prince, sociopathic with a huge sense of entitlement. . .Like Prince John from Robin Hood) Those are very interesting comparisons, most of them never even crossed my mind. I always imagined those characters being so complex, yet it's true many are stereotypical in some other (good) way. + Show Spoiler +Sansa is also another obvious classic character, the damsel in distress. Some aren't very accurate. To say Jamie is Cercei's "henchman" is laughable. He's by far the less archetypal character in the saga. Yes definitely agree with this. Over the cause of the Books I have become a Jaime fan, I just love the Character. Another pretty unique Character is Theon Greyjoy, he is like a guy who wants to do the right thing but somehow ends up destroying everything, and being totally alone. He is really a character you somehow despise and feel pity for at the same time. Theon is weak-minded and of low character. No pity for the weak from me.
Was what he ended up doing so far off from what many would have done in his place? With his background, with the social influences, upbringing and expectations pressuring him as they did? He'd have been a hero to do 'the right things'. He isn't some kind of hero, that is all. Like all the good characters aside from Barristan.
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I really don't want to list everything he did that I don't agree with... there is more than plenty. On the other side he doesn't have a lot (if any) redeeming qualities. No shit he's no hero. He's just weak in every way.
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On November 14 2012 11:10 lepape wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 23:47 Quexana wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Characters in Game of Thrones that fit your model of "classic" fantasy characters include "Jon Snow (the intrepid youth who seeks adventure and chivalry), Samwell Tarly (honest, humble, and loyal. In short, the perfect friend. Kinda reminds me of another Sam in a different fantasy, hmm) Brienne of Tarth (extremely noble and a near match in character to Eowyn of Rohan), Arya, Hot Pie, Lemmy, and Gendry (young and naive, though small, their travels teach them the value of courage. And though they face many hardships in the world of the Big Folk, they keep their humor and their decency) Sandor Clegane (the classic anti-hero, has lived a rough and brutal life, yet clings to his own finely honed sense of honor), Davos Seaworth (the former bad guy who has turned good, more noble than most who were born into nobility). Cercei Lannister (The Wicked Queen), Jaime Lannister (The Wicked Queen's henchman) Joffrey Lannister (the tyrannical prince, sociopathic with a huge sense of entitlement. . .Like Prince John from Robin Hood) Those are very interesting comparisons, most of them never even crossed my mind. I always imagined those characters being so complex, yet it's true many are stereotypical in some other (good) way. + Show Spoiler +Sansa is also another obvious classic character, the damsel in distress.
there's no such thing as an original character. there are different ways of executing it and sometimes playing with expectations (setting up one stereotype and then delivering another), but in the end it's been done before, somewhere.
almost all of the examples listed above do something different that make it go beyond the stereotype, the only one that I'd say plays it completely straight is Sam. even then, stereotype and complex are not mutually exclusive, because there's a lot of different things going on with Sam too, they just seem simple because you've seen them all before.
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I just want my season 3 :D
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Apparently there were spoilers in this post so I edited it. Sorry.
- KwarK
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GRRM did it for a reason, he made these characters that resemble common archetypes only to play with, and develop them.
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GRRM comments on who wins 1v1's between chars of ASOIF and LOTR
Click at own peril contains spoilers
linky link
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