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On May 08 2012 03:48 biology]major wrote:
How does tyrion slap the king and get away with it
Confidence, it's a powerful weapon. Especially to those who have low self-esteem. And really, what's he going to do? Tyrion has way more leverage than Joffrey does, he could weasel his way out of any situation.
This episode was very polarizing for me. The scenes ranged from brilliant (everything involving Arya and Theon) to absurd (north of the wall, almost everything involving Theon again). Jon Snow, a fairly green member of the Watch, offers to execute an adorable wildling girl, and his squad leader is like "Alright, peace out, we'll just leave you to it. Catch up when you're done!". A crowd brings down a helpless priest and cannibalizes him, with enough brute strength to sever his arm? What in the fuck?
Also I'm getting a bit tired of the Daenerys scenes, even though she's one of my favorite characters. Seems nothing new is ever going on with her. Birthright, iron throne, dragons, I will take it with fire...yeah yeah yeah. I wish they didn't feel the need to include her arc in every episode when so little is happening. The cliffhanger is that her dragons got stolen, but I honestly don't feel very intrigued by that. (I haven't read the books but) it's fairly obvious that she's going to reclaim them somehow, whereas most GoT cliffhangers leave some sort of ambiguity.
The character of Theon is very well acted I think, and they display his development brilliantly, but it's still too unbelievable for me. He makes irrational choices like it's his job. I think there's a big difference between "being sort of a dick" and "selling out/murdering the people you spent your whole life with, for a man who apparently despises you". I guess it makes a little more sense in the books where he's supposed to be younger; doesn't come across well as a 20-something TV actor.
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On May 08 2012 04:15 Cel.erity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 03:48 biology]major wrote:
How does tyrion slap the king and get away with it Confidence, it's a powerful weapon. Especially to those who have low self-esteem. And really, what's he going to do? Tyrion has way more leverage than Joffrey does, he could weasel his way out of any situation. This episode was very polarizing for me. The scenes ranged from brilliant (everything involving Arya and Theon) to absurd (north of the wall, almost everything involving Theon again). Jon Snow, a fairly green member of the Watch, offers to execute an adorable wildling girl, and his squad leader is like "Alright, peace out, we'll just leave you to it. Catch up when you're done!". A crowd brings down a helpless priest and cannibalizes him, with enough brute strength to sever his arm? What in the fuck? Also I'm getting a bit tired of the Daenerys scenes, even though she's one of my favorite characters. Seems nothing new is ever going on with her. Birthright, iron throne, dragons, I will take it with fire...yeah yeah yeah. I wish they didn't feel the need to include her arc in every episode when so little is happening. The cliffhanger is that her dragons got stolen, but I honestly don't feel very intrigued by that. (I haven't read the books but) it's fairly obvious that she's going to reclaim them somehow, whereas most GoT cliffhangers leave some sort of ambiguity. The character of Theon is very well acted I think, and they display his development brilliantly, but it's still too unbelievable for me. He makes irrational choices like it's his job. I think there's a big difference between "being sort of a dick" and "selling out/murdering the people you spent your whole life with, for a man who apparently despises you". I guess it makes a little more sense in the books where he's supposed to be younger; doesn't come across well as a 20-something TV actor.
Not to spoil anything but Book 2 was rather slow for Dany anyway. It's not just the show don't worry about it.
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On May 08 2012 04:15 Cel.erity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 03:48 biology]major wrote:
How does tyrion slap the king and get away with it Confidence, it's a powerful weapon. Especially to those who have low self-esteem. And really, what's he going to do? Tyrion has way more leverage than Joffrey does, he could weasel his way out of any situation. This episode was very polarizing for me. The scenes ranged from brilliant (everything involving Arya and Theon) to absurd (north of the wall, almost everything involving Theon again). Jon Snow, a fairly green member of the Watch, offers to execute an adorable wildling girl, and his squad leader is like "Alright, peace out, we'll just leave you to it. Catch up when you're done!". A crowd brings down a helpless priest and cannibalizes him, with enough brute strength to sever his arm? What in the fuck? Also I'm getting a bit tired of the Daenerys scenes, even though she's one of my favorite characters. Seems nothing new is ever going on with her. Birthright, iron throne, dragons, I will take it with fire...yeah yeah yeah. I wish they didn't feel the need to include her arc in every episode when so little is happening. The cliffhanger is that her dragons got stolen, but I honestly don't feel very intrigued by that. (I haven't read the books but) it's fairly obvious that she's going to reclaim them somehow, whereas most GoT cliffhangers leave some sort of ambiguity. The character of Theon is very well acted I think, and they display his development brilliantly, but it's still too unbelievable for me. He makes irrational choices like it's his job. I think there's a big difference between "being sort of a dick" and "selling out/murdering the people you spent your whole life with, for a man who apparently despises you". I guess it makes a little more sense in the books where he's supposed to be younger; doesn't come across well as a 20-something TV actor.
I still don't get why people can't relate to Theon. What does he have to gain by remaining a ward of the Starks? Nothing. What does he have to gain by being a Prince of the Iron Islands? Everything. It ties in completely with his arrogant, egotistical, power-hungry persona that they worked so hard to develop in S1. While it's obvious he feels kind of bad for doing it, it's the only way he'll grow into his britches.
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For the Starks, Theon is nothing more than a lackey at best, and a liability at worst. Theon wants to become his own man and feudal society offers nothing for a hostage to remain loyal to his captors. It would NOT make sense if Theon acted against his own perceived self-interest all for the sake of loyalty.
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On May 08 2012 04:15 Cel.erity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 03:48 biology]major wrote:
How does tyrion slap the king and get away with it Confidence, it's a powerful weapon. Especially to those who have low self-esteem. And really, what's he going to do? Tyrion has way more leverage than Joffrey does, he could weasel his way out of any situation. This episode was very polarizing for me. The scenes ranged from brilliant (everything involving Arya and Theon) to absurd (north of the wall, almost everything involving Theon again). Jon Snow, a fairly green member of the Watch, offers to execute an adorable wildling girl, and his squad leader is like "Alright, peace out, we'll just leave you to it. Catch up when you're done!". A crowd brings down a helpless priest and cannibalizes him, with enough brute strength to sever his arm? What in the fuck? Also I'm getting a bit tired of the Daenerys scenes, even though she's one of my favorite characters. Seems nothing new is ever going on with her. Birthright, iron throne, dragons, I will take it with fire...yeah yeah yeah. I wish they didn't feel the need to include her arc in every episode when so little is happening. The cliffhanger is that her dragons got stolen, but I honestly don't feel very intrigued by that. (I haven't read the books but) it's fairly obvious that she's going to reclaim them somehow, whereas most GoT cliffhangers leave some sort of ambiguity. The character of Theon is very well acted I think, and they display his development brilliantly, but it's still too unbelievable for me. He makes irrational choices like it's his job. I think there's a big difference between "being sort of a dick" and "selling out/murdering the people you spent your whole life with, for a man who apparently despises you". I guess it makes a little more sense in the books where he's supposed to be younger; doesn't come across well as a 20-something TV actor.
I get the impression that aside from Ned and Robb (and I guess Jory), no one really liked Theon. He was always pretty arrogant and in the first season he was always bragging about being Ironborn. It's an identity he's put forward all his life and now he needs to follow through with it. And don't underestimate the psychological power of Daddy issues, even though Balon doesn't show him a lot of love he's still compelled to prove himself.
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On May 08 2012 04:21 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 04:15 Cel.erity wrote:On May 08 2012 03:48 biology]major wrote:
How does tyrion slap the king and get away with it Confidence, it's a powerful weapon. Especially to those who have low self-esteem. And really, what's he going to do? Tyrion has way more leverage than Joffrey does, he could weasel his way out of any situation. This episode was very polarizing for me. The scenes ranged from brilliant (everything involving Arya and Theon) to absurd (north of the wall, almost everything involving Theon again). Jon Snow, a fairly green member of the Watch, offers to execute an adorable wildling girl, and his squad leader is like "Alright, peace out, we'll just leave you to it. Catch up when you're done!". A crowd brings down a helpless priest and cannibalizes him, with enough brute strength to sever his arm? What in the fuck? Also I'm getting a bit tired of the Daenerys scenes, even though she's one of my favorite characters. Seems nothing new is ever going on with her. Birthright, iron throne, dragons, I will take it with fire...yeah yeah yeah. I wish they didn't feel the need to include her arc in every episode when so little is happening. The cliffhanger is that her dragons got stolen, but I honestly don't feel very intrigued by that. (I haven't read the books but) it's fairly obvious that she's going to reclaim them somehow, whereas most GoT cliffhangers leave some sort of ambiguity. The character of Theon is very well acted I think, and they display his development brilliantly, but it's still too unbelievable for me. He makes irrational choices like it's his job. I think there's a big difference between "being sort of a dick" and "selling out/murdering the people you spent your whole life with, for a man who apparently despises you". I guess it makes a little more sense in the books where he's supposed to be younger; doesn't come across well as a 20-something TV actor. I still don't get why people can't relate to Theon. What does he have to gain by remaining a ward of the Starks? Nothing. What does he have to gain by being a Prince of the Iron Islands? Everything. It ties in completely with his arrogant, egotistical, power-hungry persona that they worked so hard to develop in S1. While it's obvious he feels kind of bad for doing it, it's the only way he'll grow into his britches.
Not to mention the fact that (however silly) he just wants to find his place. Being with Robb is nice and all, and I'm sure he would have done it before. But seeing his family spurn him when he thought he would get a Prince's welcome? His own family! What was he going to say? "Sorry pa, gotta go with my mate, who's dad killed all of my brothers and crushed the Greyjoys." And in Balon's own house? There's something to be said about "blood." Choosing family and his own nature versus friends. Before he had to deal with the knight, he was not unkind to Bran and the rest of Winterfell.
Like the above poster said: his whole identity was an Ironborm. It's who he is (or wanted to be). He was so crushed when his whole identity was swept aside as just a Stark dog strewn with jewelry. No respect from his family, nor his men.
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On May 08 2012 04:21 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 04:15 Cel.erity wrote:On May 08 2012 03:48 biology]major wrote:
How does tyrion slap the king and get away with it Confidence, it's a powerful weapon. Especially to those who have low self-esteem. And really, what's he going to do? Tyrion has way more leverage than Joffrey does, he could weasel his way out of any situation. This episode was very polarizing for me. The scenes ranged from brilliant (everything involving Arya and Theon) to absurd (north of the wall, almost everything involving Theon again). Jon Snow, a fairly green member of the Watch, offers to execute an adorable wildling girl, and his squad leader is like "Alright, peace out, we'll just leave you to it. Catch up when you're done!". A crowd brings down a helpless priest and cannibalizes him, with enough brute strength to sever his arm? What in the fuck? Also I'm getting a bit tired of the Daenerys scenes, even though she's one of my favorite characters. Seems nothing new is ever going on with her. Birthright, iron throne, dragons, I will take it with fire...yeah yeah yeah. I wish they didn't feel the need to include her arc in every episode when so little is happening. The cliffhanger is that her dragons got stolen, but I honestly don't feel very intrigued by that. (I haven't read the books but) it's fairly obvious that she's going to reclaim them somehow, whereas most GoT cliffhangers leave some sort of ambiguity. The character of Theon is very well acted I think, and they display his development brilliantly, but it's still too unbelievable for me. He makes irrational choices like it's his job. I think there's a big difference between "being sort of a dick" and "selling out/murdering the people you spent your whole life with, for a man who apparently despises you". I guess it makes a little more sense in the books where he's supposed to be younger; doesn't come across well as a 20-something TV actor. I still don't get why people can't relate to Theon. What does he have to gain by remaining a ward of the Starks? Nothing. What does he have to gain by being a Prince of the Iron Islands? Everything. It ties in completely with his arrogant, egotistical, power-hungry persona that they worked so hard to develop in S1. While it's obvious he feels kind of bad for doing it, it's the only way he'll grow into his britches.
What would you rather be: The second most powerful lord in Scotland or the prince of Faroe islands? It seems pretty obvious that there is no way the Iron Islands can do anything with staying power, not with their tiny population and army based on pirates and its also pretty clear that once the major kingdoms are done tearing each other apart whoever wins would open a can of major whoopass. There is a reason why the only successful Vikings in Europe, the Normans, actually had a mass migration to their land of their targets.
imo the inclusion of the Iron Islands as some sort of comical, super evil Vikings was just the writer being bored one day or something because otherwise they make no sense at all....the iron islands are made to look so crappy that nothing grows there but somehow they have a thriving navy?? Where'd they get all the wood for their boats?? And where'd they get the population to build those imposing castles ???
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According to the interwebz, and kind of on the episode 7 preview it says episode 7 is already viewable on HBO go? Can anyone confirm/deny this for me?
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On May 08 2012 04:40 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 04:21 ZasZ. wrote:On May 08 2012 04:15 Cel.erity wrote:On May 08 2012 03:48 biology]major wrote:
How does tyrion slap the king and get away with it Confidence, it's a powerful weapon. Especially to those who have low self-esteem. And really, what's he going to do? Tyrion has way more leverage than Joffrey does, he could weasel his way out of any situation. This episode was very polarizing for me. The scenes ranged from brilliant (everything involving Arya and Theon) to absurd (north of the wall, almost everything involving Theon again). Jon Snow, a fairly green member of the Watch, offers to execute an adorable wildling girl, and his squad leader is like "Alright, peace out, we'll just leave you to it. Catch up when you're done!". A crowd brings down a helpless priest and cannibalizes him, with enough brute strength to sever his arm? What in the fuck? Also I'm getting a bit tired of the Daenerys scenes, even though she's one of my favorite characters. Seems nothing new is ever going on with her. Birthright, iron throne, dragons, I will take it with fire...yeah yeah yeah. I wish they didn't feel the need to include her arc in every episode when so little is happening. The cliffhanger is that her dragons got stolen, but I honestly don't feel very intrigued by that. (I haven't read the books but) it's fairly obvious that she's going to reclaim them somehow, whereas most GoT cliffhangers leave some sort of ambiguity. The character of Theon is very well acted I think, and they display his development brilliantly, but it's still too unbelievable for me. He makes irrational choices like it's his job. I think there's a big difference between "being sort of a dick" and "selling out/murdering the people you spent your whole life with, for a man who apparently despises you". I guess it makes a little more sense in the books where he's supposed to be younger; doesn't come across well as a 20-something TV actor. I still don't get why people can't relate to Theon. What does he have to gain by remaining a ward of the Starks? Nothing. What does he have to gain by being a Prince of the Iron Islands? Everything. It ties in completely with his arrogant, egotistical, power-hungry persona that they worked so hard to develop in S1. While it's obvious he feels kind of bad for doing it, it's the only way he'll grow into his britches. What would you rather be: The second most powerful lord in Scotland or the prince of Faroe islands? It seems pretty obvious that there is no way the Iron Islands can do anything with staying power, not with their tiny population and army based on pirates and its also pretty clear that once the major kingdoms are done tearing each other apart whoever wins would open a can of major whoopass. There is a reason why the only successful Vikings in Europe, the Normans, actually had a mass migration to their land of their targets. imo the inclusion of the Iron Islands as some sort of comical, super evil Vikings was just the writer being bored one day or something because otherwise they make no sense at all....the iron islands are made to look so crappy that nothing grows there but somehow they have a thriving navy?? Where'd they get all the wood for their boats?? And where'd they get the population to build those imposing castles ???
The Ironborn are very proud and warrior-like people. They used to own a chunk of the continent as well apparently. They get by with pillaging and stealing. They probably have the largest navy and use it to get resources.
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I LOVED the addition of the Tywin/Arya scenes. Really tense and they do a great job of establishing Lord Tywin's character.
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On May 08 2012 04:40 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 04:21 ZasZ. wrote:On May 08 2012 04:15 Cel.erity wrote:On May 08 2012 03:48 biology]major wrote:
How does tyrion slap the king and get away with it Confidence, it's a powerful weapon. Especially to those who have low self-esteem. And really, what's he going to do? Tyrion has way more leverage than Joffrey does, he could weasel his way out of any situation. This episode was very polarizing for me. The scenes ranged from brilliant (everything involving Arya and Theon) to absurd (north of the wall, almost everything involving Theon again). Jon Snow, a fairly green member of the Watch, offers to execute an adorable wildling girl, and his squad leader is like "Alright, peace out, we'll just leave you to it. Catch up when you're done!". A crowd brings down a helpless priest and cannibalizes him, with enough brute strength to sever his arm? What in the fuck? Also I'm getting a bit tired of the Daenerys scenes, even though she's one of my favorite characters. Seems nothing new is ever going on with her. Birthright, iron throne, dragons, I will take it with fire...yeah yeah yeah. I wish they didn't feel the need to include her arc in every episode when so little is happening. The cliffhanger is that her dragons got stolen, but I honestly don't feel very intrigued by that. (I haven't read the books but) it's fairly obvious that she's going to reclaim them somehow, whereas most GoT cliffhangers leave some sort of ambiguity. The character of Theon is very well acted I think, and they display his development brilliantly, but it's still too unbelievable for me. He makes irrational choices like it's his job. I think there's a big difference between "being sort of a dick" and "selling out/murdering the people you spent your whole life with, for a man who apparently despises you". I guess it makes a little more sense in the books where he's supposed to be younger; doesn't come across well as a 20-something TV actor. I still don't get why people can't relate to Theon. What does he have to gain by remaining a ward of the Starks? Nothing. What does he have to gain by being a Prince of the Iron Islands? Everything. It ties in completely with his arrogant, egotistical, power-hungry persona that they worked so hard to develop in S1. While it's obvious he feels kind of bad for doing it, it's the only way he'll grow into his britches. What would you rather be: The second most powerful lord in Scotland or the prince of Faroe islands? It seems pretty obvious that there is no way the Iron Islands can do anything with staying power, not with their tiny population and army based on pirates and its also pretty clear that once the major kingdoms are done tearing each other apart whoever wins would open a can of major whoopass. There is a reason why the only successful Vikings in Europe, the Normans, actually had a mass migration to their land of their targets. imo the inclusion of the Iron Islands as some sort of comical, super evil Vikings was just the writer being bored one day or something because otherwise they make no sense at all....the iron islands are made to look so crappy that nothing grows there but somehow they have a thriving navy?? Where'd they get all the wood for their boats?? And where'd they get the population to build those imposing castles ???
You don't understand feudal politics. Theon is not any kind of lord in the North. He is a hostage of the Starks. The only Lord of the North is the Lord of Winterfell, and Theon can never be Lord of Winterfell if he stays loyal to the Starks.
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best scene was the that assasin killing Amory Lorch on Tywin's door.
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On May 07 2012 22:25 SimDawg wrote:
Is it me or does anyone else hate Dany with a passion? There's just something about her that's too entitled, or out of touch, or selfish or something. I can't put my finger on it.
I feel like at least half the people watching the show must hate her and half like her, or something like that. I'd be really forlorn if I was the only person that felt this way.
i don't really hate her but i kinda feel like that too.
But i guess that's still part of her growing up process.
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On May 08 2012 04:40 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 04:21 ZasZ. wrote:On May 08 2012 04:15 Cel.erity wrote:On May 08 2012 03:48 biology]major wrote:
How does tyrion slap the king and get away with it Confidence, it's a powerful weapon. Especially to those who have low self-esteem. And really, what's he going to do? Tyrion has way more leverage than Joffrey does, he could weasel his way out of any situation. This episode was very polarizing for me. The scenes ranged from brilliant (everything involving Arya and Theon) to absurd (north of the wall, almost everything involving Theon again). Jon Snow, a fairly green member of the Watch, offers to execute an adorable wildling girl, and his squad leader is like "Alright, peace out, we'll just leave you to it. Catch up when you're done!". A crowd brings down a helpless priest and cannibalizes him, with enough brute strength to sever his arm? What in the fuck? Also I'm getting a bit tired of the Daenerys scenes, even though she's one of my favorite characters. Seems nothing new is ever going on with her. Birthright, iron throne, dragons, I will take it with fire...yeah yeah yeah. I wish they didn't feel the need to include her arc in every episode when so little is happening. The cliffhanger is that her dragons got stolen, but I honestly don't feel very intrigued by that. (I haven't read the books but) it's fairly obvious that she's going to reclaim them somehow, whereas most GoT cliffhangers leave some sort of ambiguity. The character of Theon is very well acted I think, and they display his development brilliantly, but it's still too unbelievable for me. He makes irrational choices like it's his job. I think there's a big difference between "being sort of a dick" and "selling out/murdering the people you spent your whole life with, for a man who apparently despises you". I guess it makes a little more sense in the books where he's supposed to be younger; doesn't come across well as a 20-something TV actor. I still don't get why people can't relate to Theon. What does he have to gain by remaining a ward of the Starks? Nothing. What does he have to gain by being a Prince of the Iron Islands? Everything. It ties in completely with his arrogant, egotistical, power-hungry persona that they worked so hard to develop in S1. While it's obvious he feels kind of bad for doing it, it's the only way he'll grow into his britches. What would you rather be: The second most powerful lord in Scotland or the prince of Faroe islands? It seems pretty obvious that there is no way the Iron Islands can do anything with staying power, not with their tiny population and army based on pirates and its also pretty clear that once the major kingdoms are done tearing each other apart whoever wins would open a can of major whoopass. There is a reason why the only successful Vikings in Europe, the Normans, actually had a mass migration to their land of their targets. imo the inclusion of the Iron Islands as some sort of comical, super evil Vikings was just the writer being bored one day or something because otherwise they make no sense at all....the iron islands are made to look so crappy that nothing grows there but somehow they have a thriving navy?? Where'd they get all the wood for their boats?? And where'd they get the population to build those imposing castles ???
Except he can never be the second most powerful Lord in Winterfell. He will always be a ward; a hostage sent to Winterfell in order to keep the Iron Islands compliant after their rebellion against Robert. He was treated well enough by Ned and Robb, but after Robb became Lord of Winterfell, what happens to Theon? He becomes his bodyguard, essentially a glorified squire? He is a Prince in the Iron Islands, and if he can impress his people by claiming the North for the Greyjoys, a King as well.
And they got their thriving navy and castles in part because they used to own part of the Riverlands as well as the Iron Islands, and also because they believe in pillaging rather than sedentary lifestyles. When everything you have is stolen rather than bought or grown, you don't really need much in the way of natural resources or a peasant class.
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A little offtopic but I was just watching Batman Begins and towards the end I spotted the young actor who is playing Joffrey as a sweet little boy who was crying for help and I couldn't believe my eyes.
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On May 08 2012 04:15 Cel.erity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 03:48 biology]major wrote:
How does tyrion slap the king and get away with it Confidence, it's a powerful weapon. Especially to those who have low self-esteem. And really, what's he going to do? Tyrion has way more leverage than Joffrey does, he could weasel his way out of any situation. This episode was very polarizing for me. The scenes ranged from brilliant (everything involving Arya and Theon) to absurd (north of the wall, almost everything involving Theon again). Jon Snow, a fairly green member of the Watch, offers to execute an adorable wildling girl, and his squad leader is like "Alright, peace out, we'll just leave you to it. Catch up when you're donae!". A crowd brings down a helpless priest and cannibalizes him, with enough brute strength to sever his arm? What in the fuck? Also I'm getting a bit tired of the Daenerys scenes, even though she's one of my favorite characters. Seems nothing new is ever going on with her. Birthright, iron throne, dragons, I will take it with fire...yeah yeah yeah. I wish they didn't feel the need to include her arc in every episode when so little is happening. The cliffhanger is that her dragons got stolen, but I honestly don't feel very intrigued by that. (I haven't read the books but) it's fairly obvious that she's going to reclaim them somehow, whereas most GoT cliffhangers leave some sort of ambiguity. The character of Theon is very well acted I think, and they display his development brilliantly, but it's still too unbelievable for me. He makes irrational choices like it's his job. I think there's a big difference between "being sort of a dick" and "selling out/murdering the people you spent your whole life with, for a man who apparently despises you". I guess it makes a little more sense in the books where he's supposed to be younger; doesn't come across well as a 20-something TV actor.
Tyrion is a boss right now. He's got control of the city watch, he's got Bronn, and he's got the mountain people all on his side. Plus when he's talking to joffrey in this episode, his guards are all pretty concerned with keeping the commoners out of the castle, not with protecting him from his own uncle.
As far as the crowd goes... never underestimate crazy. Remember that these people are starving to death, and the septon is all dressed in gold, crystals, and pretty white robes, standing as a symbol of the gods that these people are probably thinking have abandoned them. With John snow, his commander has no reason to believe he won't carry out the orders - however green he might be, he is a man of the night's watch. What's he going to do, tell John "I don't trust you, you can't have your prisoner, I'm going to kill her?"
Daenary's scenes in the books have a lot more emotion and a lot of "personal growth" to them right now (I'm at the same place in the books and the show) and they're actually a lot of fun to read... but I don't think that kind of "in your head" scene translates well to a show, and as a result it's not very interesting. Still they have to show that she's traveling all over, continually being denied as people try to use her for her dragons, getting desperate, etc. etc. Even though she's not fun to watch (although great to read) she's still pretty damn important.
Theon's actually 20 in the books, and around the same age in the show. They aged the rest of the characters but not him, resulting in Robb and Daenarys being the same age although they're supposed to be ~5 years younger. Still, all the decisions he's making "sorta" make sense. He's trying to prove himself to his crew, so that he can then prove himself to his father. He figures if he takes over winterfell with his single crew, that will be enough to show his father he is loyal, and he can get the rest of the men he needs to hold the castle. As long as he holds the castle, he is a King, but he's got to have some leverage over the people in Winterfell to prove to them he holds the castle.
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people also have to know that if he would go back to the starks, he would be killed. Thats what being a ward ment, the starks held onto him and would raise him and if/when Balon would try to do somehting like become a king again, like he told Theon he was going to in the second episode, he would be killed
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It's important to note that despite the fact that House Greyjoy's words are We Do Not Sow, there are still farmers (albeit very low level agriculture due to the lack of arable land), fishermen, craftsmen, and merchants on the Iron Islands. They supplement this with regular pillage of the nearby coasts.
It's a mistake to solely equate population and territory with military power. A country's warrior culture also figures greatly into its fighting strength. The Danes regularly raided or outright invaded the British Isles despite having a smaller population and territory.
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Holy crist, Osha is easily the sexiest woman on the show now in my opinion. Definitely the best nude scene in GOT.
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On May 08 2012 05:20 Smat wrote:
Holy crist, Osha is easily the sexiest woman on the show now in my opinion. Definitely the best nude scene in GOT.
Ros has a better body but Osha's definitely got more personality.
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