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On May 08 2012 02:14 Doctorbeat wrote:
Oh and about Arya/Jaqen: I really think her best choice for #3 would be Baelish. He's the only one that can know about her being a Stark. Tywin wouldn't be a good choice, she's treated very well by him. If she lets him die, how could she benefit from that situation?
While a good idea, the problem is that Baelish is probably on his way back to King's Landing by now.
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Meh. Ygritte didn't look like I expected her to after reading the book, but considering how the casting has been absolutely perfect in 90% of all the characters in the entire show, I'm not gonna nit-pick at that.
And yeh, the Hound is indeed a BAMF. 
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On May 08 2012 02:14 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 01:48 illsick wrote:On May 07 2012 21:58 NormandyBoy wrote:On May 07 2012 21:20 zerglingrodeo wrote:
Ygritte is WAY too hot. She's certainly way too hot for a "wildling", her hair looks like she washes it twice a day, her skin and teeth are perfect... Her English is better than Theon's... John has big blue balls, WE GET IT, THANKS. Why everything has to be so obvious ? I feel the show (can't say about the books) assumes its audience is retarded and that every character has to be EXTREME. Theon is now a COMPLETE dick, whereas before he was a joyful, nice guy. Whoa ! The characters have several aspects, look at our show it MUST be DEEP... Nope, if he chosed to be a dick, that means he was a little dick inside all along, but we never saw this little dick. And because he wasn't a dick before now he has to be SUPERDICK so the stupid audience understands what he is now. There were hints as to how Theon felt that lead up to now He's not a complete dick. He knows he can't be in between and that he has to choose his path and stick with it. Like the execution, you could tell he really didn't want to do it but was kind of influenced or peer pressured to do it. Even the first scene with Bran as he took Winterfell; he wasn't really cruel to Bran and the conversation felt really passive for someone trying to take over Winterfell by force. Bran asked if he hated them the whole time, Theon kind of just stood there for a sec and walked away. The flip of the switch of what he is now is because of the culture of the Iron Islands and the only way his dad will be able to accept him. He's kind of force into this persona to be accepted by his dad and his "people". He could have easily gone back to Winterfell and go back to his old role though. He didn't even know his father or sister, why should they matter more than the family that all things considered, raised him very properly. They taught him how to fight, and he was a Lord. Robb didn't see him as a Stark, but he was his friend. Oh and about Arya/Jaqen: I really think her best choice for #3 would be Baelish. He's the only one that can know about her being a Stark. Tywin wouldn't be a good choice, she's treated very well by him. If she lets him die, how could she benefit from that situation?
It is called Game of Thrones. Maybe he wanted the throne or wanted higher status? There were hints as to how he felt and that he wasn't fully accepted by the Starks. Actually, there were hints AND he blatantly stated how he felt. If you are trying to say that Theon chose the wrong path, then he might have. Everything you wrote I agree. I was responding to the guy who thought that Theon being a "complete dick" was out of character. He was influenced to be this role than be a "complete dick" out of nowhere. You can tell he is hesitant at times.
Why would he chose his dad and people over the Starks? Well, he didn't really feel accepted by Starks and as much as he tries he probably never will be. The Iron Island people and his dad don't accept him either but he feels like he can be accepted eventually.
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On May 08 2012 02:03 _Ice_ wrote:
Danaerys has gotten fat since last season.
I've noticed this too, maybe not fat, but definitely thicker. I doubt it's intentional but going from peachy princess to badass barbarian wife would most likely have something like that happen to you. Either you get fatter or you build muscles.
Awesome if intentional, nice coincidence if not!
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On May 08 2012 03:13 kuresuti wrote:I've noticed this too, maybe not fat, but definitely thicker. I doubt it's intentional but going from peachy princess to badass barbarian wife would most likely have something like that happen to you. Either you get fatter or you build muscles. Awesome if intentional, nice coincidence if not!
She was pregnant ......This may come as a surprise to you, but when you get pregnant you get fatter, and after having the baby (or losing it) you don't instantly lose all the weight the comes with it.
Apologies, the last comment was uncalled for.
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On May 08 2012 03:18 Leth0 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 03:13 kuresuti wrote:On May 08 2012 02:03 _Ice_ wrote:
Danaerys has gotten fat since last season. I've noticed this too, maybe not fat, but definitely thicker. I doubt it's intentional but going from peachy princess to badass barbarian wife would most likely have something like that happen to you. Either you get fatter or you build muscles. Awesome if intentional, nice coincidence if not! She was pregnant ......This may come as a surprise to you, but when you get pregnant you get fatter, and after having the baby (or losing it) you don't instantly lose all the weight the comes with it. If people are gonna nitpick at least do it intelligently.
Oh right, I forgot about that part. I am sorry for offending you with my lowly intelligence.
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On May 08 2012 03:09 illsick wrote:
Why would he chose his dad and people over the Starks? Well, he didn't really feel accepted by Starks and as much as he tries he probably never will be. The Iron Island people and his dad don't accept him either but he feels like he can be accepted eventually.
This. The Iron Islanders are not his kind of people, but he could become one of them. After spending his whole childhood with the Starks he´s still not accepted by them. Also there´s a lot of peer pressure involved.
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On May 08 2012 02:14 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 01:48 illsick wrote:On May 07 2012 21:58 NormandyBoy wrote:On May 07 2012 21:20 zerglingrodeo wrote:
Ygritte is WAY too hot. She's certainly way too hot for a "wildling", her hair looks like she washes it twice a day, her skin and teeth are perfect... Her English is better than Theon's... John has big blue balls, WE GET IT, THANKS. Why everything has to be so obvious ? I feel the show (can't say about the books) assumes its audience is retarded and that every character has to be EXTREME. Theon is now a COMPLETE dick, whereas before he was a joyful, nice guy. Whoa ! The characters have several aspects, look at our show it MUST be DEEP... Nope, if he chosed to be a dick, that means he was a little dick inside all along, but we never saw this little dick. And because he wasn't a dick before now he has to be SUPERDICK so the stupid audience understands what he is now. There were hints as to how Theon felt that lead up to now He's not a complete dick. He knows he can't be in between and that he has to choose his path and stick with it. Like the execution, you could tell he really didn't want to do it but was kind of influenced or peer pressured to do it. Even the first scene with Bran as he took Winterfell; he wasn't really cruel to Bran and the conversation felt really passive for someone trying to take over Winterfell by force. Bran asked if he hated them the whole time, Theon kind of just stood there for a sec and walked away. The flip of the switch of what he is now is because of the culture of the Iron Islands and the only way his dad will be able to accept him. He's kind of force into this persona to be accepted by his dad and his "people". He could have easily gone back to Winterfell and go back to his old role though. He didn't even know his father or sister, why should they matter more than the family that all things considered, raised him very properly. They taught him how to fight, and he was a Lord. Robb didn't see him as a Stark, but he was his friend. Oh and about Arya/Jaqen: I really think her best choice for #3 would be Baelish. He's the only one that can know about her being a Stark. Tywin wouldn't be a good choice, she's treated very well by him. If she lets him die, how could she benefit from that situation?
She's already proven to be pretty clever, so choosing Tywin would be a selfless use of her last death. She may go on to serve a crueler lord, or even be implicated in his death, but it is obvious that Tywin is the brains of the Lannister operation, and his death would put his troops in disarray and likely give her brother Robb an enormous advantage in the field.
Littlefinger would be the selfish choice, but I think she could tell from that interaction that he knew who she was but neglected to say anything, so I don't think she needs to be in a rush to eliminate him.
And Theon wasn't a Lord at Winterfell, he was a ward. While they treated him pretty well for a glorified hostage, what exactly would he have risen to if he stayed at Winterfell? Master-at-arms? "Advisor" to Robb? No, if he wants to be a Prince and ultimately a King, it would come through the Iron Islands. They did a good job developing his character in S1 to show that he is arrogant, egotistical, and power-hungry. This is just him giving in to those urges.
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On May 08 2012 03:38 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 02:14 Doctorbeat wrote:On May 08 2012 01:48 illsick wrote:On May 07 2012 21:58 NormandyBoy wrote:On May 07 2012 21:20 zerglingrodeo wrote:
Ygritte is WAY too hot. She's certainly way too hot for a "wildling", her hair looks like she washes it twice a day, her skin and teeth are perfect... Her English is better than Theon's... John has big blue balls, WE GET IT, THANKS. Why everything has to be so obvious ? I feel the show (can't say about the books) assumes its audience is retarded and that every character has to be EXTREME. Theon is now a COMPLETE dick, whereas before he was a joyful, nice guy. Whoa ! The characters have several aspects, look at our show it MUST be DEEP... Nope, if he chosed to be a dick, that means he was a little dick inside all along, but we never saw this little dick. And because he wasn't a dick before now he has to be SUPERDICK so the stupid audience understands what he is now. There were hints as to how Theon felt that lead up to now He's not a complete dick. He knows he can't be in between and that he has to choose his path and stick with it. Like the execution, you could tell he really didn't want to do it but was kind of influenced or peer pressured to do it. Even the first scene with Bran as he took Winterfell; he wasn't really cruel to Bran and the conversation felt really passive for someone trying to take over Winterfell by force. Bran asked if he hated them the whole time, Theon kind of just stood there for a sec and walked away. The flip of the switch of what he is now is because of the culture of the Iron Islands and the only way his dad will be able to accept him. He's kind of force into this persona to be accepted by his dad and his "people". He could have easily gone back to Winterfell and go back to his old role though. He didn't even know his father or sister, why should they matter more than the family that all things considered, raised him very properly. They taught him how to fight, and he was a Lord. Robb didn't see him as a Stark, but he was his friend. Oh and about Arya/Jaqen: I really think her best choice for #3 would be Baelish. He's the only one that can know about her being a Stark. Tywin wouldn't be a good choice, she's treated very well by him. If she lets him die, how could she benefit from that situation? She's already proven to be pretty clever, so choosing Tywin would be a selfless use of her last death. She may go on to serve a crueler lord, or even be implicated in his death, but it is obvious that Tywin is the brains of the Lannister operation, and his death would put his troops in disarray and likely give her brother Robb an enormous advantage in the field. Littlefinger would be the selfish choice, but I think she could tell from that interaction that he knew who she was but neglected to say anything, so I don't think she needs to be in a rush to eliminate him. And Theon wasn't a Lord at Winterfell, he was a ward. While they treated him pretty well for a glorified hostage, what exactly would he have risen to if he stayed at Winterfell? Master-at-arms? "Advisor" to Robb? No, if he wants to be a Prince and ultimately a King, it would come through the Iron Islands. They did a good job developing his character in S1 to show that he is arrogant, egotistical, and power-hungry. This is just him giving in to those urges.
Maybe she is saving her kills though. She is already getting lots of information in her position, so it's still valuable. There's no guarantee that she won't later chose Tywin (if she feels Jaqen can do it) but for now she is bidding her time. Last episode's death was a necessity.
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How does tyrion slap the king and get away with it
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On May 08 2012 03:48 biology]major wrote:
How does tyrion slap the king and get away with it
He's got the city watch on his side now that he put Bronn in charge. He's also made it clear to the Kingsguard (Ser Meryn specifically) not to fuck with him.
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On May 08 2012 03:48 biology]major wrote:
How does tywin slap the king and get away with it
*Tyrion. And he is acting Hand of the King while his father is in the field. He's definitely walking a pretty fine line but I figure he assumes that since he is family Joffrey won't go all homicidal on him like he does with everyone else.
Was the highlight of the episode though, along with Joffrey getting hit in the face with cow shit.
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On May 08 2012 03:48 biology]major wrote:
How does tywin slap the king and get away with it
You mean Tyrion. Tywin is his father.
As far as getting away with slapping the king, hes been slapping that bratty kid since the 2nd episode of Season one haha.
Addtionally hes a Lannister and Jofffrey's uncle.
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On May 08 2012 03:53 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 03:48 biology]major wrote:
How does tywin slap the king and get away with it *Tyrion. And he is acting Hand of the King while his father is in the field. He's definitely walking a pretty fine line but I figure he assumes that since he is family Joffrey won't go all homicidal on him like he does with everyone else. Was the highlight of the episode though, along with Joffrey getting hit in the face with cow shit.
I love that Dinklage uses his entire body to slap. Makes it feel much harder. "Gotta carry through!"
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I think Cercei, as much as she seems to hate Tyrion, wouldn't let Joffrey just plain execute him. That would draw the attention of old man Lannister and he would NOT be happy having to go to King's Landing to clean up some stupid mess while he should be out there fighting Robb's armies. And whatever Joffrey thinks he is in the capital, playing a prick king, his kingdom is half debted to his grandfather and the Lannister armies surely follow Tywin who is not only their lord but pays them.
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Cercei isn't a smart woman.
But yeah the Lannisters won't be killing each other, I feel.
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On May 08 2012 04:05 daemir wrote:
I think Cercei, as much as she seems to hate Tyrion, wouldn't let Joffrey just plain execute him. That would draw the attention of old man Lannister and he would NOT be happy having to go to King's Landing to clean up some stupid mess while he should be out there fighting Robb's armies. And whatever Joffrey thinks he is in the capital, playing a prick king, his kingdom is half debted to his grandfather and the Lannister armies surely follow Tywin who is not only their lord but pays them.
Yeah, Tywin owns the real clout. The other thing is that Tywin specifically assigned Tyrion because he didn't think Cersei and Joffrey were doing a good job in the first place. That's why Tyrion has the real power.
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On May 08 2012 04:08 Rhine wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 04:05 daemir wrote:
I think Cercei, as much as she seems to hate Tyrion, wouldn't let Joffrey just plain execute him. That would draw the attention of old man Lannister and he would NOT be happy having to go to King's Landing to clean up some stupid mess while he should be out there fighting Robb's armies. And whatever Joffrey thinks he is in the capital, playing a prick king, his kingdom is half debted to his grandfather and the Lannister armies surely follow Tywin who is not only their lord but pays them. Yeah, Tywin owns the real clout. The other thing is that Tywin specifically assigned Tyrion because he didn't think Cersei and Joffrey were doing a good job in the first place. That's why Tyrion has the real power.
I think that everyone knows Joffrey is an idiot anyway so they don't mind him getting slapped :D.
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On May 08 2012 04:06 holdthephone wrote:
Cercei isn't a smart woman.
But yeah the Lannisters won't be killing each other, I feel.
Well she isn't suicidal either. Pissing off Tywin at this point doesn't seem like a healthy choice. What forces do Cercei or Joffrey command in King's Landing that could be described as loyal? The King's Guard and that's it. Tywin has Lannister's armies, Tyrion holds the city watch and there's other hostile forces coming in from nearly all directions.
Joffrey might be dumb enough, but her mother isn't.
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The reason Tyrion can do what he likes is because he commands the City Watch, (that was the reason he got rid of Janos Slynt and put Bronn in his place, he needed essentially his own army to defend him and give him the power he needed to get shit done). Joffrey has his kingsguard, but that's just 7 guys (and really only 6 since Jaime is captive).
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