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Elegance
Canada917 Posts
On May 08 2012 06:09 Sandtrout wrote: Indeed he is. My main reason why I want Theon dead is actually because he insulted Hodor. Me too. Hodor is the happiest most peaceful person ever | ||
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Rhine
187 Posts
On May 08 2012 07:36 Sub40APM wrote: To be fair, almost all the nobles in this show across as self entitled douchebags. Or selfish emos. The only nobles who are likable are Tywen because he gets it what it takes to be in charge of a noble house and Tyrion because he also gets it and is also cursed with being a midget. The Starks are all the same except Arya: "Oh well this plan is much more logical and safer, but lets do the honorable/emotionally satisfying thing" Whether its Catlyn seriously considering trading the favorite Lanister for her two useless daughters [useless in terms of them not being able to lead either armies or be married anyone to bring an alliance] or Robb [well lets reach out to the guy whose children my dad murdered and who comes from a culture of wanton pillage because sure, he totally wont have a thing against me. OR well now that I have convinced this guy who controls the only route back to my homeland Ill marry one of his inbred and ugly daughtesr I totally wont launch a violent coup once he opens his gates to me and remove his head from his shoulders and put one of my more trusted lietenants in charge of this stuff] or Eddad [every decision he has ever made in the tv series]. And the same stupidity can be said of the Baratheon boys [lets fight each other to the death because our enemies are totally weak and ready to fall over because derp derp derp] while the Vale is ruled by a clearly mentally unhinged woman and her son is going to grow up, if he is very lucky, maybe as emotionally together as Joffrey. Basically, if the TV series doesnt end with Tywen Lanister being King of everything and the Dragons then I am just sad for the humans of that planet. I get what you're saying about the Starks, but I think you're misunderstanding. Catelyn is a mother. She wants her daughters back. She's already lost her husband. Plus, she hasn't agreed to anything yet. It was just a proposal. She is not the King in the North. She is the mother. I'm sure she would rather get her daughters back and barricade the north without needing to go down to kill Joffrey. Plus, her daughters are useful even strategically (e.g. marry them off). The Greyjoy plan wasn't Robb's. It was Theon who was made up the plan and convinced Robb to try it out. In his mind, at worst, Balon would say fuck off and that would be the end of that plan (of course now we know the worst case is quite bad). In fact, Robb reaching out to Greyjoy and Renly are great decisions in this world where everyone seems to be fighting on their own side. The only other smart person like that is Tyrion with marrying off Myrcella and sending Littlefinger around. Finally, a violent coup to take down Frey? Maybe..but wouldn't that totally undermine his entire mission? The reason why he is doing well and has the support of the people is because they trust him not to be a backstabbing asshole like other nobles. Moreover, killing Frey would surely upset many nobles in the Riverlands and would undermine his authority. Ruling with an iron fist can have its advantages, but it's not always the correct political choice. Each lord has a choice to join the Lannisters or the Baratheons, so betrayals are not treated lightly. I agree that Ned's honorable decisions are poor choices in this world (and that's really the point). Robb's also Ned-lite. But let's not overstate the Stark's foolishness. | ||
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Spitfire
South Africa442 Posts
On May 08 2012 07:41 Sub40APM wrote: After Robb became king...Theon became his right hand man....sort of the way the Lanister family was the right hand of the Barantheon family? And used that position to amass even more power?? And on the Iron Islands he is a prince...so powerful that he gets one whole ship. Of course to be fair in this universe one crappy ship of pirates is good enough to capture the capital of a kingdom at war so who knows.... How do you steal rocks or wood for ships??? Sardinia used to be a huge iron exporter too throughout Roman and even Middle Ages yet no Viking society evolved there....where did the Vikings succeed? In places with lots of wood and lots of food to serve as a base for their mighty warrior culture. Lannisters right hand of the Baratheons? Not from what I've seen. seems more like Tywin is the most powerful man in Westeros, just prefers not to rule from the throne. Your Sardinia argument, not sure how that really relates to anything. Feels like you're just trying to show off your history knowledge there. "They cant build ships, the iron islands dont look like they have a lot of wood". Its WOOD, not oil, or gold or some other resource thats actually rare. The vikings were great raiders because of the design of their ships and because of the people sailing the ships, not because they had so much more frigging wood then everyone else. Theon wants to be a king, its just that simple. Dunno why people find that so hard to grasp, and are making some hilariously convoluted arguments as to why it doesnt make sense. "But, why would he want to be king of Faroe islands when he could be right hand to the right hand to the right hand of the king of Scotland". Uh, cause the North isnt Scotland and Iron Islands arent the Faroe islands. This is modelled on Medieval culture, he wants to be a KING with all that entails. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
i doubt the king has any respect for tyrion and his work and spare him just for that. | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
100%. Prob one of the hottest on tv period. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22373 Posts
On May 08 2012 08:49 jinorazi wrote: why is geoffrey so scared of the tyrion? he legitimately threatened his own mother, it seems he can't do the same to tyrion. is he just that much more afraid of tywin, his grandfather? i doubt the king has any respect for tyrion and his work and spare him just for that. Because unlike his mother Tyrion has the power to actualy usurp Joffrey. Dont forget all Joffrey has is the 6 kings guard. The city watch is loyal to Tyrion and since he acts with the power of Tywin so will the Lannister guards. | ||
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
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KwarK
United States43991 Posts
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Leth0
856 Posts
Ygritte is gonna get naked and we're all gonna vomit rainbows (this is just speculation on my part, I've never seen her naked, but I got a good feeling about it =P) | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On May 08 2012 09:15 Leth0 wrote: Ygritte is gonna get naked and we're all gonna vomit rainbows (this is just speculation on my part, I've never seen her naked, but I got a good feeling about it =P) Hahaha same here. :D Ygritte has hotness and personality! | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
Hope not tho, I like her!  | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
Hope they keep the quality of the show very high, so far it has been awesome. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22373 Posts
On May 08 2012 09:25 Gosi wrote: So the dialog when Cersei told Tyrion that she hoped he would love someone so much and that she would take that away from him bla bla, the biggest hint ever that someone is gonna find out about Shae and twist things up for Tyrion and his plans? Hope not tho, I like her! As posted earlier in this thread it has already happend to Tyrion. Hes been there/done that. While losing Shae would hurt him i have no doubt that if push came to shove he would chose himself over her. | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
On May 08 2012 09:28 fabiano wrote: I think the series is starting to detour from the books :s Hope they keep the quality of the show very high, so far it has been awesome. i dont mind that happening tho  i hope their 'alternate reality' (in relation to the books) is also awesome :D | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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SergioCQH
United States143 Posts
On May 08 2012 07:38 Sub40APM wrote: Did I say Lord of Winterfell? I said the second most powerful lord in the North/Scotland. Because he is the blood brother of the King of the North. Dude, you don't seem to understand what a feudal lord is at all, nor do you understand what a hostage is. A feudal lord was someone who had absolute dominion over a fiefdom. As a ward of the Starks, Theon had absolute dominion over nothing. And he certainly wasn't a "blood brother" to any Stark, not least of all because there is no blood relation between Theon and the Starks. Quit trying to pretend you have the slightest clue about how feudal societies operated. It's pretty obvious you have none. | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
On May 08 2012 10:25 jinorazi wrote: geoffrey seems like he lacks common sense and does only what he wants to do. hence why i asked about his hesitant attitude towards tyrion. his character make it seem he is oblivious to his surrounding, doesn't realize he actually doesn't have much power and would snap one day to tyrion's tough hands and order his execution...then again tyrion will do some bad ass stuff to get out of the situation...would be a intriguing scene to watch. I thought about this myself. I think the reason it hasn't happened is because Tywin would flip out if Joffrey or Cersei killed Tyrion without a lot of justification. It's easy to forget how insanely rich and powerful Tywin really is; he's definitely more powerful than King Joffrey, and maybe even more powerful than Robert was in his reign. | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
On May 08 2012 11:19 Drowsy wrote: I thought about this myself. I think the reason it hasn't happened is because Tywin would flip out if Joffrey or Cersei killed Tyrion without a lot of justification. It's easy to forget how insanely rich and powerful Tywin really is; he's definitely more powerful than King Joffrey, and maybe even more powerful than Robert was in his reign. but i always thought Tywin like Tyrion the very least compared to his other children (jaime cersei). i remember in season 1 when tyrion and tywin met in the tent, tywin didnt show much compassion or care to tyrion | ||
Kiett
United States7639 Posts
On May 08 2012 11:23 icystorage wrote: but i always thought Tywin like Tyrion the very least compared to his other children (jaime cersei). i remember in season 1 when tyrion and tywin met in the tent, tywin didnt show much compassion or care to tyrion Indeed. But Tywin does recognize that Tyrion is capable and smart, which is why he handpicked Tyrion to serve in his stead as Hand of the King. If Joffrey or Cersei had him killed, that would be directly undermining Tywin's command and authority, and would force him to have to go to King's Landing to deal with the issues there personally, something he can't afford to do while simultaneously managing the war. Even if Tywin doesn't like Tyrion, he definitely needs him at the moment. | ||
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