EPTrecognize she's a Northerner at least
Also it's ridiculously insulting to compare Cat to Lori of Walking Dead. rofl
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
... Also it's ridiculously insulting to compare Cat to Lori of Walking Dead. rofl | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On April 25 2012 15:03 JWD wrote: oh, I'm in love alright! But despite everything she's been through, she still seems more pouty little girl than Queen. I mean, where's the cunning? I think a real leader would never have risked all of her crew dying in a desert because someone showed a hint of doubt about her dragons. The rant about destroying that city first smacked of a child's tantrum. She's kinda helpless. Well that's the point. Her situation was incredibly dire. Does she show her dragons and risk the 13 killing her and her khalisar and taking them? (which seems like a very real threat) Does she meekly do nothing and perish in the garden of bones? It didn't seem like she had much of a choice to be sassy imo. In the end everything was riding on them receiving her graciously, which wasn't initially the case until the dude vouched for her invoking whatever that ritual was called. Thus far in the series she's been shown as incredibly naive but I like that scene because it showed that even though shes come very far as a becoming a charismatic leader to her people, she's utterly unpolished when it comes to politics and diplomacy. Now that shes left the Dothraki sea where the Khals don't give a fuck about diplomacy, and made it through the Red waste, I expect to see her learning this part of the game so to say. On April 25 2012 15:05 JWD wrote: But shouldn't Robb be marrying strategically? She was more slampiece material. He pretty much has already (he's bethrothed to the uggo offspring of Lord Ugly of the River place). It seems apparent that if it becomes anything this is going to be his passionate mistress type relationship. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On April 25 2012 15:13 p4NDemik wrote: Well that's the point. Her situation was incredibly dire. Does she show her dragons and risk the 13 killing her and her khalisar and taking them? (which seems like a very real threat) Does she meekly do nothing and perish in the garden of bones? It didn't seem like she had much of a choice to be sassy imo. In the end everything was riding on them receiving her graciously, which wasn't initially the case until the dude vouched for her invoking whatever that ritual was called. Thus far in the series she's been shown as incredibly naive but I like that scene because it showed that even though shes come very far as a becoming a charismatic leader to her people, she's utterly unpolished when it comes to politics and diplomacy. Now that shes left the Dothraki sea where the Khals don't give a fuck about diplomacy, and made it through the Red waste, I expect to see her learning this part of the game so to say. Yup, she's smart and learn quickly, but she had no experience in this kind of thing and you could really tell. I like her for not backing down though. She's a queen, she has dragons, she has to show them they can't throw her around or they will never show her the respect she deserves. She pretty much had to hardball it and hope that the 13 wanted to see the dragons bad enough to let her in. Showing them her hand would be suicide, why would the 13 respect a young woman with her "horde" of a dozen or two women/old people and a few young dragons that are currently pretty damn harmless. There is no retribution to be had from anyone for killing her and grabing the dragons. The only "smart" choice from a businessmans point of view is to kill Dany, kill the Khalesar and take the dragons for themself to train or (more likely) sell. | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
On April 25 2012 15:13 p4NDemik wrote: Well that's the point. Her situation was incredibly dire. Does she show her dragons and risk the 13 killing her and her khalisar and taking them? (which seems like a very real threat) Does she meekly do nothing and perish in the garden of bones? It didn't seem like she had much of a choice to be sassy imo. In the end everything was riding on them receiving her graciously, which wasn't initially the case until the dude vouched for her invoking whatever that ritual was called. Thus far in the series she's been shown as incredibly naive but I like that scene because it showed that even though shes come very far as a becoming a charismatic leader to her people, she's utterly unpolished when it comes to politics and diplomacy. Now that shes left the Dothraki sea where the Khals don't give a fuck about diplomacy, and made it through the Red waste, I expect to see her learning this part of the game so to say. You raise a good point about her not having being exposed to politics. Still, I'm not sure how refusing to show the dragons helps her. I mean, if these guys wanted to kill her for the dragons they'd have done it regardless of whether she agreed to show them the dragons or not. (And she still faces that risk.) The conversation was just about getting inside the walls, and she basically blew her chance. There's no way she could have anticipated that "the dude" would invoke that ritual. And if there was a move to be made after refusing to show the dragons (to avoid doing nothing and dying) I doubt that it was a threat — not with these pompous mofos who think their city is invincible/amazing. He pretty much has already (he's bethrothed to the uggo offspring of Lord Ugly of the River place). It seems apparent that if it becomes anything this is going to be his passionate mistress type relationship. Oh shit! I'm now vaguely remembering...so Robb promised himself to Lord Ugly to get passage across that crucial bridge? Man, he kind of blew his load early there. You've got to figure that he will soon be exposed to greater stakes/opportunities for strategic marriage...oh well! Did what he had to do at the time, I guess. It's probably always an option to return to Lord Ugly after amassing much more army/power and just demand release from the nasty engagement. "Passionate mistress" sounds about right, lol. I think this fantasy environment makes a big allowance for that type of extramarital relationship. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On April 25 2012 15:28 JWD wrote: You raise a good point about her not having being exposed to politics. Still, I'm not sure how refusing to show the dragons helps her. I mean, if these guys wanted to kill her for the dragons they'd have done it regardless of whether she agreed to show them the dragons or not. (And she still faces that risk.) The conversation was just about getting inside the walls, and she basically blew her chance. There's no way she could have anticipated that "the dude" would invoke that ritual. And if there was a move to be made after refusing to show the dragons (to avoid doing nothing and dying) I doubt that it was a threat — not with these pompous mofos who think their city is invincible/amazing. Oh shit! I'm now vaguely remembering...so Robb promised himself to Lord Ugly to get passage across that crucial bridge? Man, he kind of blew his load early there. You've got to figure that he will soon be exposed to greater stakes/opportunities for strategic marriage...oh well! Did what he had to do at the time, I guess. It's probably always an option to return to Lord Ugly after amassing much more army/power and just demand release from the nasty engagement. "Passionate mistress" sounds about right, lol. I think this fantasy environment makes a big allowance for that type of extramarital relationship. ´ @Dany, read my post a few posts up. The 13 had no real way of knowing how powerful her dragons were or how soon they would be able to burn their city to a smoldering pile. Showing them the dragons would also reveal how weak the dragons are (they haven't even fed once yet) and how empty her threat it for the time being. @Robb and Lord Ugly: If he's to become as powerful as he wants to, that marriage deal is nothing he will have to worry about. He could simply refuse, or he could probably buy his way out after winning the war. Anyways, those kind of marriages are just politics and diplomacy, so he could probably be with whoever he wanted on the side (passionate mistress kind of deal). | ||
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chocopaw
2072 Posts
Poll: Which one of the five kings/houses are you rooting for? Robb (House Stark/Tully) (46) Stannis (House Baratheon) (15) Renly (House Baratheon/Tyrell) (11) Balon (House Greyjoy) (10) Joffrey (House Lannister) (9) 91 total votes Your vote: Which one of the five kings/houses are you rooting for? (Vote): Joffrey (House Lannister) I'll post my opinions later, don't want to manipulate the poll with too well thought out standpoints. :p  | ||
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scarrow
United Kingdom30 Posts
On April 25 2012 15:35 zodde wrote: @Robb and Lord Ugly: If he's to become as powerful as he wants to, that marriage deal is nothing he will have to worry about. He could simply refuse, or he could probably buy his way out after winning the war. Anyways, those kind of marriages are just politics and diplomacy, so he could probably be with whoever he wanted on the side (passionate mistress kind of deal). This is just too funny. | ||
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Sprungjeezy
United States1313 Posts
On April 25 2012 14:57 zodde wrote: Dunno about Renlys wife, can't remember if she was in S1 (think I need to rewatch it). Totally agree on the Arya/Tywin thing, it's just soooo unlikely that she'd end up in Tywins service :O And yeah, someone should recognize her. Then on the other side, she's just a young girl, she probably haven't met many people that far away from her home. And on top of that, while they know that the youngest Stark girl is on the run, no one is going to look after her so close to the Lannisters. They probably think that Arya is hiding somewhere as far as possible from them, while she's busy pouring wine for Big Daddy Lannister (nice nickname btw, I'll steal it). I'm deeply in love with Dany, so I can't agree with you here. She should feed her dragons and burn the whole world to the ground. WAR Daenerys! Well if you really try to connect the dots it is not surprising Arya ended up in Tywin's service. His bannermen caught her and took her to a nearby stronghold to be questioned. Tywin was going to end up there sooner or later because his army will not live in the battle field, they want to return to a place where they can have good food and safe shelter (like the massive fortress of Harrenhal). Consider the alternative, Arya (a young girl) and her young friends make it from King's Landing to the north and avoiding ALL of the troops and scouts and patrols for hundreds of miles. I personally think it was far far more likely that she would be captured (especially since they would have been SEARCHING for her if she had escaped them when Yoren and friends were attacked) and the people who captured her had 2 choices, 1 - kill the captives, 2 bring them to a place that was fit for prisoners. And seeing as they were a raiding party that captured her, they were not outfitted for being on their own long, they had to fall back to Harrenhal. I hope I explained it well enough that this was not coincidence or fate, it was an inevitability that she would be captured and she had great chances to being brought to Harrenhal and Tywin had already planned on returning to Harrenhal to regroup (from season 1). On April 25 2012 17:28 chocopaw wrote: Four episodes in, who is in your favor, TL? + Show Spoiler + Poll: Which one of the five kings/houses are you rooting for? Robb (House Stark/Tully) (46) Stannis (House Baratheon) (15) Renly (House Baratheon/Tyrell) (11) Balon (House Greyjoy) (10) Joffrey (House Lannister) (9) 91 total votes Your vote: Which one of the five kings/houses are you rooting for? (Vote): Joffrey (House Lannister) I'll post my opinions later, don't want to manipulate the poll with too well thought out standpoints. :p I realize that in the war of 5 kings, Dany has no place, but I still think it would only be fair to have the Targs listed as someone you could be rooting for. | ||
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
Stannis Renly Joffrey Robb and Daenarys. http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/season2/#!/guide/houses/ Greyjoy is just a wannabe with no real claim. | ||
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chocopaw
2072 Posts
On April 25 2012 17:33 Sprungjeezy wrote: I realize that in the war of 5 kings, Dany has no place, but I still think it would only be fair to have the Targs listed as someone you could be rooting for. I thought about it and see where you're coming from, but this is the poll about who you're rooting for in THIS "Clash of Kings", not who is your favorite house/character. As I see it, Dany won't play a role in Westeros for probably at least one or two more seasons. Hopefully the Joffrey-votes are not out of protest. :D edit because of the poster above: I checked the awoiaf wiki, won't post a link because of spoilers and book contents, but in this war Balon is clearly listed as one of the five kings, no mentioning of Dany. Pretty sure HBO only added her because she's a viewers favorite. | ||
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Sprungjeezy
United States1313 Posts
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
Arguably Robb doesn't care about the iron throne either but he wants to kill the current king and is heading for king's landing which makes him relevant. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On April 25 2012 17:33 Sprungjeezy wrote: Well if you really try to connect the dots it is not surprising Arya ended up in Tywin's service. His bannermen caught her and took her to a nearby stronghold to be questioned. Tywin was going to end up there sooner or later because his army will not live in the battle field, they want to return to a place where they can have good food and safe shelter (like the massive fortress of Harrenhal). Consider the alternative, Arya (a young girl) and her young friends make it from King's Landing to the north and avoiding ALL of the troops and scouts and patrols for hundreds of miles. I personally think it was far far more likely that she would be captured (especially since they would have been SEARCHING for her if she had escaped them when Yoren and friends were attacked) and the people who captured her had 2 choices, 1 - kill the captives, 2 bring them to a place that was fit for prisoners. And seeing as they were a raiding party that captured her, they were not outfitted for being on their own long, they had to fall back to Harrenhal. I hope I explained it well enough that this was not coincidence or fate, it was an inevitability that she would be captured and she had great chances to being brought to Harrenhal and Tywin had already planned on returning to Harrenhal to regroup (from season 1). I realize that in the war of 5 kings, Dany has no place, but I still think it would only be fair to have the Targs listed as someone you could be rooting for. Sure, Arya making it all the way home is unlikely. Her being captured is fairly likely. However, it isn't even close to likely that of all the prisoners being captured by the lanisters, she would end up in as Tywins cupbearer. And that's the part of the story that I thought was unlikely, nothing else. How? Edit: On the vote, I'd probably go with Robb, but only cause Dany is out of the question  I'd absolutely love to see Tyrion as the head of the Lannisters and sitting on the Iron Throne though! :D | ||
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chocopaw
2072 Posts
On April 25 2012 18:01 Nizaris wrote: GreyJoy isn't heading for King's landing nor the Iron Throne. therefore he can't be a king. How do you come up with that? Maybe he doesn't want to be the king of the seven kingdoms, but he made it clear that he wants to be king of the Iron Islands again. Jeez, even if you try to give the thread another direction all you guys do is argue and complain. xD | ||
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
On April 25 2012 18:15 chocopaw wrote: How do you come up with that? Maybe he doesn't want to be the king of the seven kingdoms, but he made it clear that he wants to be king of the Iron Islands again. Jeez, even if you try to give the thread another direction all you guys do is argue and complain. xD it's been done many times already and everytime it end up the same This is the war about the iron throne, not the iron islands. I'm glad he wants to be king of an island, really that's cool. | ||
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Maginor
Norway505 Posts
On April 25 2012 18:54 Nizaris wrote: it's been done many times already and everytime it end up the same This is the war about the iron throne, not the iron islands. I'm glad he wants to be king of an island, really that's cool. Robb does not fight for the Iron Throne. It is not just a war for the Iron Throne. These are seven original kingdoms, and two of the contestants (Robb and Balon) fight for the independence of their home kingdom. | ||
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Mikau
Netherlands1446 Posts
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
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Jankisa
Croatia1144 Posts
I think that Skyler is bad at first, but I recently re watched Breaking Bad and I when you watch from a more outside perspective you can see her perspective on everything that's happening and she dosen't seem like such a bitch. She is kinda similar in that way to Cat, especially season 4 Skyler to season 1 Cat, doing things she thinks is best for her family, but fucking up terribly and making things way worse for them. Lori on the other hand is coming off as a terribly self important bitch that dosen't take care of her kid, is unfaithfull, makes stupid decisions and still has a nerve to lash out to others and give shit to everyone, so yeah, she's more of a Joeffry than Cat/Skyler to me, just a 1 dimensional little stupid bitch. On the topic of the latest episode, I loved it, Harenhall, Quarth, everything has awesome vibe, love how they pulled Sansa punishment and Shadowbaby. I have no objections to Jeoffry torture scene, since it shows him trying to prove he can do whatever he want's to his uncle, who took his toy (sansa) and gave him a worse one (2 whores) and he just decided to brake his toy and send it back to his uncle as a "punishment" for taking his original toy back, witch shows Joeffry as a immature sociopath that he is. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On April 25 2012 20:19 Jankisa wrote: + Show Spoiler + I think that Skyler is bad at first, but I recently re watched Breaking Bad and I when you watch from a more outside perspective you can see her perspective on everything that's happening and she dosen't seem like such a bitch. She is kinda similar in that way to Cat, especially season 4 Skyler to season 1 Cat, doing things she thinks is best for her family, but fucking up terribly and making things way worse for them. Lori on the other hand is coming off as a terribly self important bitch that dosen't take care of her kid, is unfaithfull, makes stupid decisions and still has a nerve to lash out to others and give shit to everyone, so yeah, she's more of a Joeffry than Cat/Skyler to me, just a 1 dimensional little stupid bitch. On the topic of the latest episode, I loved it, Harenhall, Quarth, everything has awesome vibe, love how they pulled Sansa punishment and Shadowbaby. I have no objections to Jeoffry torture scene, since it shows him trying to prove he can do whatever he want's to his uncle, who took his toy (sansa) and gave him a worse one (2 whores) and he just decided to brake his toy and send it back to his uncle as a "punishment" for taking his original toy back, witch shows Joeffry as a immature sociopath that he is. It's Qarth. | ||
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