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On April 17 2012 14:14 Klogon wrote:
This TV show is very well done. The production value, the costumes, the cinematography, the acting, the writing, etc is just so top knotch. Definitely the best show on TV right now, and perhaps isn't getting the true credit it deserves because it is based on the books. And so even though it lacks on the "creativity" department for that, the execution has been so good.
For me its a tough call between this and Boardwalk Empire. Both are the flagship HBO dramas for their respective time of year and both are incredible.
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On April 17 2012 11:48 softee wrote:I want more naked Margaery :D
Go watch The Tudors ,).
After I was finished drooling over Margaery (haha, who am I kidding, I'm not), I began to notice the other new cast member. And I must say they did a great job at casting and portraying Brienne. Armor and make-up eliminate any feminine trace from Gwendoline Christie and even though I knew that it was Brienne at the melee, I was wondering whether or not it wasn't indeed a man for a second or so when she took off her helmet.
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Yeah, Brienne is cast quite well. She's definitely ugly enough.
It's weird -- the actor for Brienne isn't that ugly, but they made her ugly enough to fit the role. Asha on the other hand is supposed to be sort of pretty, the actress is pretty, and she looks just bad. -.-
But back to Brienne. I knew it was her immediately. I always imaigned all of her armor being really blue. Almost like Rune Plate from Runescape. I dont even know where I got this notion from. o.O
Did anyone else think she looked really awkward? Just her walking around, her bowing... she looked clumsy. Sort of waddled about. I can't tell if this was done on purpose or not.
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On April 17 2012 16:49 Crazyeyes wrote:
Yeah, Brienne is cast quite well. She's definitely ugly enough.
It's weird -- the actor for Brienne isn't that ugly, but they made her ugly enough to fit the role. Asha on the other hand is supposed to be sort of pretty, the actress is pretty, and she looks just bad. -.-
But back to Brienne. I knew it was her immediately. I always imaigned all of her armor being really blue. Almost like Rune Plate from Runescape. I dont even know where I got this notion from. o.O
Did anyone else think she looked really awkward? Just her walking around, her bowing... she looked clumsy. Sort of waddled about. I can't tell if this was done on purpose or not.
Did you read the books? Cause you definitely got it from there. :D
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On April 17 2012 14:15 ballasdontcry wrote:
heh seems like the prerequisite for any young actress looking to land a part on game of thrones is to show tittays.
i don't see anything wrong with that.
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Hah just saw on Imdb that Alfie Allen (Theon Greyjoy) is engaged with Jaime.
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On April 17 2012 18:24 0x64 wrote:
Hah just saw on Imdb that Alfie Allen (Theon Greyjoy) is engaged with Jaime.
reading this I had to check myself, I first thought he was engaged to the actor playing jaime lannister ^^
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On April 17 2012 18:48 oGoZenob wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 18:24 0x64 wrote:
Hah just saw on Imdb that Alfie Allen (Theon Greyjoy) is engaged with Jaime. reading this I had to check myself, I first thought he was engaged to the actor playing jaime lannister ^^
Me too... He's engaged to a woman named Jaime, not the actor playing the Kingslayer, which is too bad because that would have been a much more interesting story.
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Awesome episode. Maergery Tyrell's gown is definitely looking better the second way.
On the Gendry side of the story, I rewatched the episode were he and Ned Stark meet in Season 1 and it seems obvious to me by know he is Cersei and Robert's son, the one they think/pretend to be dead. When he talks to Ned for the first time he clearly recalls his mother having long blond hairs and singing to him when he was a child, just like Cersei's recall singing for her newborn before she lost him.
Considering how he is getting more importance as a bastard, or even the few seconds of him fighting we get in this episode, I'm more and more convinced he is a Baratheon.
Now am I just "Captain Obvious" on that or is it only one of my weird theories about the show?
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Emix, so far in the show we are led to believe he is Roberts bastard son, not the son of Robert and Cersie. I don't know what you are talking about regarding "the one they think/pretend to be dead."
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I dont remember it ever being implied that Gendry is Cersei and Robert's son. That would be very weird since their would be no point in killing him. I also dont remember getting the feeling of Gendry describing Cersei.
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On April 17 2012 19:08 leveller wrote:
Emix, so far in the show we are led to believe he is Roberts bastard son, not the son of Robert and Cersie. I don't know what you are talking about regarding "the one they think/pretend to be dead."
Just watch season 1 again coz you obviously missed stuff .... I don't know how I could be more clear, I didn't read the book, i'm only talking about stuff in the Show. And Gendry CLEARLY says (speaking about his mother when Ned asks him about her) "long blond hair, would sing to me ...". Know about the son they lost, once again it's in the show, Cersei and Robert have a big conversation together in season 1 and they clearly talk about a son they had and who died.
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On April 17 2012 19:10 Ace wrote:
I dont remember it ever being implied that Gendry is Cersei and Robert's son. That would be very weird since their would be no point in killing him. I also dont remember getting the feeling of Gendry describing Cersei.
No point in killing him ???
Do we watch the same show ???
If he's really Cersei and Robert's son, he's only the TRUE heir to the crown, the Iron Throne and the Seven Kingdoms. I say that's a freaking good reason for people who want to rule to kill him.
And about Gendry describing Cersei, he doesn't say her name but it's not a feeling he describes a woman with long blond hair, it's a fact, he does describe someone like that.
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Television at its finest! Well done HBO!
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On April 17 2012 19:18 Emix_Squall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 19:10 Ace wrote:
I dont remember it ever being implied that Gendry is Cersei and Robert's son. That would be very weird since their would be no point in killing him. I also dont remember getting the feeling of Gendry describing Cersei. No point in killing him ??? Do we watch the same show ??? If he's really Cersei and Robert's son, he's only the TRUE heir to the crown, the Iron Throne and the Seven Kingdoms. I say that's a freaking good reason for people who want to rule to kill him. And about Gendry describing Cersei, he doesn't say her name but it's not a feeling he describes a woman with long blond hair, it's a fact, he does describe someone like that.
Cersei calls that boy "a little bundle", so I imagine that he was very young when he died. Gendry can remember his mother., and he says that she worked in a tavern.
It is also a question of how would Cersei manage to fake the death of her own son? I can see her having a motive (replace him with pure Lannister kids), but Robert would never do that, so Cersei would have to arrange it in secret. Robert did see the baby after it died, so it must have been very young for Cersei to be able to replace it with a lookalike, or Robert would have noticed. So young that it certainly couldn't remember it's mother.
In my opinion, the original black haired boy was there as an example of how Robert's trueborns have black hair. Gendry had a mom with yellow hair to tell us that his black hair was again inherited from his father.
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On April 17 2012 19:45 Maginor wrote:
It is also a question of how would Cersei manage to fake the death of her own son? I can see her having a motive (replace him with pure Lannister kids), but Robert would never do that, so Cersei would have to arrange it in secret. Robert did see the baby after it died, so it must have been very young for Cersei to be able to replace it with a lookalike, or Robert would have noticed. So young that it certainly couldn't remember it's mother.
Well I wouldn't deny the part where he says she worked in a tavern or the fact that her having blond hair and him having black ones his a clear reminder to the Baratheon lineage (definitely making him Robert's son ... but bastard or not?).
The things that triggered that thought to me in this episode were:
a) We know Cersei may not have a full control on what happens to her children ... the Myrcella incident clearly shows it
b) Varys' talk about where power lies, and the moment he asks Tyrion who killed Ned "Was it Joffrey? The Executionner? Or .... something else ..."
Specially that b) part is important because it clearly implies the queen isn't the highest lvl of conspiracy that exists. Others might be conspiring at a much higher lvl. Now I would very well see people (might be Littlefinger or Varys) serving other causes, having enough power to take that child away and make it look like he's dead. What exactly would be the motivation behind it ... that's a good question. Who would that serve, is another one. But I still believe that Gendry is much more than a simpler bastard, there's too much coincidence about him and from a pure scenario point of view, there's no reason for the story to focus on one bastard more than another for now.
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On April 17 2012 20:06 Emix_Squall wrote:
But I still believe that Gendry is much more than a simpler bastard, there's too much coincidence about him and from a pure scenario point of view, there's no reason for the story to focus on one bastard more than another for now.
Well he maybe the only bastard that is left, so that alone makes him very important.
Add to that that both Renly and Stannis have no kids so far (I believe) he might be the only Baratheon descendant at this point.
Btw this thought also shows why it is that important that Renly overcomes his "problems".
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On April 17 2012 20:14 Redox wrote:
Well he maybe the only bastard that is left, so that alone makes him very important.
Add to that that both Renly and Stannis have no kids so far (I believe) he might be the only Baratheon descendant at this point.
Btw this thought also shows why it is that important that Renly overcomes his "problems".
Well the fact is, if he's Robert's bastard he's a Summer or whatever you call bastards in King's Landing, not a Baratheon at all. He has no claim on anything at all as far as his Baratheon lineage go. Just like Jon Snow as no claim to Winterfell ... they're bastards that's the point.
Jofrey and the Queen are afraid bastards may become a problem so they anticipate it by killing them all but it doesn't make Gendry a better claim to the throne at the moment. Now if he is more than a simple bastard like I think he is, it's another story, but they don't know anything about that now.
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On April 17 2012 19:45 Maginor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 19:18 Emix_Squall wrote:On April 17 2012 19:10 Ace wrote:
I dont remember it ever being implied that Gendry is Cersei and Robert's son. That would be very weird since their would be no point in killing him. I also dont remember getting the feeling of Gendry describing Cersei. No point in killing him ??? Do we watch the same show ??? If he's really Cersei and Robert's son, he's only the TRUE heir to the crown, the Iron Throne and the Seven Kingdoms. I say that's a freaking good reason for people who want to rule to kill him. And about Gendry describing Cersei, he doesn't say her name but it's not a feeling he describes a woman with long blond hair, it's a fact, he does describe someone like that. Cersei calls that boy "a little bundle", so I imagine that he was very young when he died. Gendry can remember his mother., and he says that she worked in a tavern. It is also a question of how would Cersei manage to fake the death of her own son? I can see her having a motive (replace him with pure Lannister kids), but Robert would never do that, so Cersei would have to arrange it in secret. Robert did see the baby after it died, so it must have been very young for Cersei to be able to replace it with a lookalike, or Robert would have noticed. So young that it certainly couldn't remember it's mother. In my opinion, the original black haired boy was there as an example of how Robert's trueborns have black hair. Gendry had a mom with yellow hair to tell us that his black hair was again inherited from his father.
I agree that Gendry is not likely to be a trueborn heir of Robert and Cersei. However, considering some of Cersei's words on the subject, I am highly sceptical as to the death of the first black-haired heir being from natural causes. In particular, it being a quick and powerful fever (kind of like the death of Jon Arryn). I don't think Cersei would be the culprit in this case though. She's not enough of a bitch to kill her own child just to spite Robert. It might be a plot from the other Lannisters, but I'm not sure if that rings entirely true either..
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