[TV] HBO Game of Thrones - Page 309

On November 17 2011 09:16 Perscienter wrote:
The show is being broadcast in Germany now and the Stark's were written as the good ones, the viewer can identify with right from the beginning. In fact, they are a quite reasonable family with its usual conflicts, while everyone outside is usually a psychopath and/or highly incompetent.

Robert Baratheon - incompetent, corrupt asshole
Cersei Baratheon - ruthless, perverse etc.
Jaime Lannister - likeable but then turns out to be a pervert, too AND engaged in attempted manslaughter (or should I say boyslaughter?)

Bottom line: everyone is criminal except the Starks.

I just wanted to tell that the people who think there were no good and bad guys in this series.

On November 17 2011 10:13 scudst0rm wrote:


I think you get a more diverse story telling from the books. It tells the story from a number of different character points of view so you get a lot of inner monologue and understand peoples intentions and back stories a lot better. Sure a lot of the characters have differing morals and projected outward appearances but in the end they're all looking out for themselves and their families.

Jamie actually becomes a pretty interesting and likable character later on as you get a better look into his character. Although incestuous, he's completely devoted to Cersei. And although he seemed pretty ruthless and indifferent pushing bran out the window he did it out of necessity to protect himself and his family, since Robert would have likely killed all of them if he found out.

If you drop your preconceptions and try to understand everyones situation and motivations I think you'll find the story alot less cut and dry.

On November 17 2011 10:09 lebowskiguy wrote:
the characters in the series are complex and can't be accurately described by generalities such as "good" and "evil". In fact, that's why the GoT universe is so superior to the LotR one. People have motivations like lust, love, power, revenge etc. Ned Stark was pretty naive and indecisive, his tragedy was that he got into a game he couldn't play. Of course the viewer will consider the Starks as closer to him,because, let's face it, the avg. TV viewer isn't involved in power struggles or forbidden romances... and these require certain sacrifices. =)

btw Jaime Lannister is such a badass, something perhaps not too visible yet through the tv series. Throwing a boy out of the window didn't take him long when he considered what was at stake. But you have to remember, this is one of the best swordsmen in the kingdom,he has probably killed more people than he can remember, of course he will find it easier than let's say Cersei (who found it cruel even if in general she appears much more cold and manipulative)

On November 17 2011 09:16 Perscienter wrote:
The show is being broadcast in Germany now and the Stark's were written as the good ones, the viewer can identify with right from the beginning. In fact, they are a quite reasonable family with its usual conflicts, while everyone outside is usually a psychopath and/or highly incompetent.

Robert Baratheon - incompetent, corrupt asshole
Cersei Baratheon - ruthless, perverse etc.
Jaime Lannister - likeable but then turns out to be a pervert, too AND engaged in attempted manslaughter (or should I say boyslaughter?)

Bottom line: everyone is criminal except the Starks.

I just wanted to tell that the people who think there were no good and bad guys in this series.

On November 17 2011 09:37 Rostam wrote:


Very untrue, you're just massively oversimplifying the characters. On the whole I'd say I find myself able to at least understand the motivations of each character and sympathize with them even if some of what they're doing comes off as "bad". They're very human.

Except Gregor Clegane, ofc. We've learned nothing about his motivations.

On November 17 2011 10:09 lebowskiguy wrote:
the characters in the series are complex and can't be accurately described by generalities such as "good" and "evil". In fact, that's why the GoT universe is so superior to the LotR one.

On November 21 2011 15:28 InToTheWannaB wrote:

I hope thats not Margaery Tyrell at 1:17. Not what I had in my head

On November 21 2011 15:33 hoppipolla wrote:

It is. And I agree she looks far too old and 'smirky' (?), I always pictured her as more innocent until... At least my boy Davos is looking mighty fine and Renly with that beard is much better.

On November 21 2011 15:42 visual77 wrote:


Renly with the beard, slightly longer and messier hair and the crown looks amazing.

I'm also thrilled with how Arya looks. In episode 10, her short hair (aka, wig) just looked weird. What they did with the actress' hair this time around looks a million times better.

On November 21 2011 16:00 happyness wrote:


I've never liked renly in the series. He is supposed to look like Robert did in his youth, as in big and buff.

And Margaery would be older, because all the kid characters are a couple years older in the series

On November 21 2011 16:09 visual77 wrote:


I don't think he was ever as buff as Robert. He is described as a younger version of him, but I think it's more in the attractiveness regard (before Robert ate and drank his way to obesity, that is). Robert was buff because he was a warrior and he trained to stay strong. Renly could have been buff if he wanted, but as it was made so clear in that Loras/Renly scene from season one, Renly doesn't train like that.

On November 21 2011 16:24 happyness wrote:


Well that's exactly what I don't like about renly in the series. I never perceived him as a pansy in the books. Vain, yes. Naiive, yes. But not soft or weak.


Does anyone know when they plan on starting season 2? Is it going to be April again?