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I'm gonna go ahead and say the series is overrated. Disclaimer: I did not read the books.
Recently watched all episodes of season 1, liked it. But it looks like they are trying to enforce action when there is none. The series is supposedly about deception and intrigues but you know after very few episodes who the bad guys are, learn how powerful they are and then watch + Show Spoiler +everybody else -aka the Starks- fail just to be disappointed because the barbarian king dies
The series is entertaining. But then people hype it so much that you expect the series to be perfect, which it is not. I'll be watching season 2 after it's over (hate waiting for episodes), though. 
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On November 06 2011 18:20 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 11:35 ToguRo wrote:On October 21 2011 22:08 -Archangel- wrote:
Yea, waiting for next season is a chore, especially with crap TV like Falling Skies and Terra Nova in the meantime.
I am still hoping they will release some DVD S1 with director's cut scenes in it :D please tell me you are watching Breaking Bad I am not into non-fantasy, non-SF shows. They have to be really special (as Dexter is) for me to watch it.
You should definately check out Breaking Bad if you like Dexter.
It's actually really similar to Dexter, since Breaking Bad is also about a guy doing crazy stuff. (kinda). 
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I'll also vouch for Breaking Bad.
I've read GoT and ACoK twice each. It's amazing what you pick up after re-reading, and then watching the show again. And then reading again. And then watching again...
God damnit I want season 2 already t.t
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On November 08 2011 01:36 zdfgucker wrote:I'm gonna go ahead and say the series is overrated. Disclaimer: I did not read the books. Recently watched all episodes of season 1, liked it. But it looks like they are trying to enforce action when there is none. The series is supposedly about deception and intrigues but you know after very few episodes who the bad guys are, learn how powerful they are and then watch + Show Spoiler +everybody else -aka the Starks- fail . That's goddamn predictable so to make up for it you see everyone preparing for war + Show Spoiler +just to be disappointed because the barbarian king dies . The series is entertaining. But then people hype it so much that you expect the series to be perfect, which it is not. I'll be watching season 2 after it's over (hate waiting for episodes), though.
If I recally correctly, most of the combat/battle scenes weren't done in Season 1 due to production costs. It would have taken away from the production value of the rest of the show. I believe it was mentioned that S2 will feature some of the Braveheart kind of battles because of how much interest the first season generated.
Also keep in mind that despite the most badass guy in season 1 dying, it's only the first season/book, and it's just paving the way for more badassery
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On November 08 2011 01:36 zdfgucker wrote:I'm gonna go ahead and say the series is overrated. Disclaimer: I did not read the books. Recently watched all episodes of season 1, liked it. But it looks like they are trying to enforce action when there is none. The series is supposedly about deception and intrigues but you know after very few episodes who the bad guys are, learn how powerful they are and then watch + Show Spoiler +everybody else -aka the Starks- fail . That's goddamn predictable so to make up for it you see everyone preparing for war + Show Spoiler +just to be disappointed because the barbarian king dies . The series is entertaining. But then people hype it so much that you expect the series to be perfect, which it is not. I'll be watching season 2 after it's over (hate waiting for episodes), though.
But there is a big war ongoing, and 3 different claimants to the throne + the North declaring secession. The Lannisters have everybody against them at the moment. It's not like they have won. Also, everybody I have talked to expected Ned to succeed or at least survive, so it wasn't predictable for most people.
The time with the dothraki also served to shape Dany's character, so it wasn't just there to add the tension of a possible invasion (which there is anyway because of what happens beyond the wall). In fact, it was hinted at a lot that it would be very hard for the dothraki to cross the sea anyway. As much as it was hinted at that the Lannisters were powerful.
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Is it known when Season 2 will start? WIll there be a season 2?
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On November 08 2011 01:45 mki wrote:
Is it known when Season 2 will start? WIll there be a season 2?
April, dunno what exact day.
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On November 08 2011 01:36 zdfgucker wrote:I'm gonna go ahead and say the series is overrated. Disclaimer: I did not read the books. Recently watched all episodes of season 1, liked it. But it looks like they are trying to enforce action when there is none. The series is supposedly about deception and intrigues but you know after very few episodes who the bad guys are, learn how powerful they are and then watch + Show Spoiler +everybody else -aka the Starks- fail . That's goddamn predictable so to make up for it you see everyone preparing for war + Show Spoiler +just to be disappointed because the barbarian king dies . The series is entertaining. But then people hype it so much that you expect the series to be perfect, which it is not. I'll be watching season 2 after it's over (hate waiting for episodes), though.
Ehh, I think the whole point of the books/tv series is to show that there are no good guys and bad guys, just people and the circumstances they find themselves in.
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On November 08 2011 01:51 craz3d wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 01:36 zdfgucker wrote:I'm gonna go ahead and say the series is overrated. Disclaimer: I did not read the books. Recently watched all episodes of season 1, liked it. But it looks like they are trying to enforce action when there is none. The series is supposedly about deception and intrigues but you know after very few episodes who the bad guys are, learn how powerful they are and then watch + Show Spoiler +everybody else -aka the Starks- fail . That's goddamn predictable so to make up for it you see everyone preparing for war + Show Spoiler +just to be disappointed because the barbarian king dies . The series is entertaining. But then people hype it so much that you expect the series to be perfect, which it is not. I'll be watching season 2 after it's over (hate waiting for episodes), though. Ehh, I think the whole point of the books/tv series is to show that there are no good guys and bad guys, just people and the circumstances they find themselves in.
That is not very accurate. It definitely has people that can be said to be evil (Joffrey, the Mountain) and people who are mostly good. However, the good guys (and bad guys) often make fatal mistakes or fail to get other people on their side because they are too arrogant. And some of the bad guys have some good sides to them. And then there are people like Tyrion who is mostly a good person, but he still has conflicting interests with the Starks.
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The show is being broadcast in Germany now and the Stark's were written as the good ones, the viewer can identify with right from the beginning. In fact, they are a quite reasonable family with its usual conflicts, while everyone outside is usually a psychopath and/or highly incompetent.
Robert Baratheon - incompetent, corrupt asshole
Cersei Baratheon - ruthless, perverse etc.
Jaime Lannister - likeable but then turns out to be a pervert, too AND engaged in attempted manslaughter (or should I say boyslaughter?)
Bottom line: everyone is criminal except the Starks.
I just wanted to tell that the people who think there were no good and bad guys in this series.
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I love this show! Watching it on dvd every night
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On November 17 2011 09:16 Perscienter wrote:
The show is being broadcast in Germany now and the Stark's were written as the good ones, the viewer can identify with right from the beginning. In fact, they are a quite reasonable family with its usual conflicts, while everyone outside is usually a psychopath and/or highly incompetent.
Robert Baratheon - incompetent, corrupt asshole
Cersei Baratheon - ruthless, perverse etc.
Jaime Lannister - likeable but then turns out to be a pervert, too AND engaged in attempted manslaughter (or should I say boyslaughter?)
Bottom line: everyone is criminal except the Starks.
I just wanted to tell that the people who think there were no good and bad guys in this series.
Those who say there are no good guys and no bad guys have done more than just watch the show. There are 5 full books, and all of those characters are much more fleshed out in the books. GRRM himself said he only wrote one character to be truly good or evil.
User was warned for this post before it got edited out
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On November 17 2011 09:23 visual77 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 09:16 Perscienter wrote:
The show is being broadcast in Germany now and the Stark's were written as the good ones, the viewer can identify with right from the beginning. In fact, they are a quite reasonable family with its usual conflicts, while everyone outside is usually a psychopath and/or highly incompetent.
Robert Baratheon - incompetent, corrupt asshole
Cersei Baratheon - ruthless, perverse etc.
Jaime Lannister - likeable but then turns out to be a pervert, too AND engaged in attempted manslaughter (or should I say boyslaughter?)
Bottom line: everyone is criminal except the Starks.
I just wanted to tell that the people who think there were no good and bad guys in this series. Those who say there are no good guys and no bad guys have done more than just watch the show. There are 5 full books, and all of those characters are much more fleshed out in the books. GRRM himself said he only wrote one character to be truly good or evil. + Show Spoiler [the character] ++ Show Spoiler [book 5 spoiler] +
You're not supposed to spoiler ANYTHING about the books you fuckin' dumbass. Read the disclaimer. I don't even know who that character but I guess I'll find out, since I'm only on book 3 now.
I hate you.
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On November 08 2011 01:36 zdfgucker wrote:I'm gonna go ahead and say the series is overrated. Disclaimer: I did not read the books. Recently watched all episodes of season 1, liked it. But it looks like they are trying to enforce action when there is none. The series is supposedly about deception and intrigues but you know after very few episodes who the bad guys are, learn how powerful they are and then watch + Show Spoiler +everybody else -aka the Starks- fail . That's goddamn predictable so to make up for it you see everyone preparing for war + Show Spoiler +just to be disappointed because the barbarian king dies . The series is entertaining. But then people hype it so much that you expect the series to be perfect, which it is not. I'll be watching season 2 after it's over (hate waiting for episodes), though.
You're post appears to me like someone who read the Title and first sentence of an OP then posted.
Season 1 is all about the build up, this isn't Harry Potter where each book is building up to its own climax. If you read the books (or wait for more seasons to come out) it feels a lot more like one world/one lifetime and is special in that regard as well as the plots. And as far as the "you know who the bad guys are" - that is almost completely and utterly untrue. I can't go into detail, but at one point in time I have pitied all of the Lannisters and at other moments hated them to a large degree (except for Tyrion, <3 him).
But yea, if you've only watched Season 1, you've only seen the setting and the beginning of a FEW of the plots that happen throughout the series.
Edit: If you're going to say "the series is overrated" and "I did not read the books" are you just trying to provoke people?
I haven't tried all of the food, just the potatoes, but mom your thanksgiving dinner is horrible.
Why?
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craz3d made the point about books and the tv series. I only know the screenplay currently. Though I doubt that the books deviate too far from the formula Starks vs. screw-ups.
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On November 17 2011 09:16 Perscienter wrote:
The show is being broadcast in Germany now and the Stark's were written as the good ones, the viewer can identify with right from the beginning. In fact, they are a quite reasonable family with its usual conflicts, while everyone outside is usually a psychopath and/or highly incompetent.
Robert Baratheon - incompetent, corrupt asshole
Cersei Baratheon - ruthless, perverse etc.
Jaime Lannister - likeable but then turns out to be a pervert, too AND engaged in attempted manslaughter (or should I say boyslaughter?)
Bottom line: everyone is criminal except the Starks.
I just wanted to tell that the people who think there were no good and bad guys in this series.
Very untrue, you're just massively oversimplifying the characters. On the whole I'd say I find myself able to at least understand the motivations of each character and sympathize with them even if some of what they're doing comes off as "bad". They're very human.
Except Gregor Clegane, ofc. We've learned nothing about his motivations.
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Vast majority of characters are grey, even the villains. Eddard Stark is the closest to the "ideal perfect guy" in the story, but he was no Mary Sue either. Ned follow his code of honor even as it led him down to death and destruction. He was intelligent enough to perceive that less "honorable" alternatives (such as Renly's suggestion to storm the palace before the Lannisters can act) are better. Yet regardless he disregarded logic, mind and instinct in order to follow "honor" all the way to the grave.
Even Gregor Clegane...as Littlefinger mentioned, some people are just born with a gift for violence. Gregor is merely what he was born to be.
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When someone is conducting incest (it's a crime in Germany) and attempts manslaughter at a child to cover it up, what am I oversimplifying then, if I say that he is a bad, bad criminal, who needs to be put in jail?
The next one on the list is Viserys Targaryen (hydrogen blonde) bullying his sister into marriage with a barbarian. He even admits to letting her become the sex-slave of all the Dothraki and their horses, if it is necessary for his goals. Bad, bad, bad!
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On November 17 2011 09:47 Perscienter wrote:
When someone is conducting incest (it's a crime in Germany) and attempts manslaughter at a child to cover it up, what am I oversimplifying then, if I say that he is a bad, bad criminal, who needs to be put in jail?
The next one on the list is Viserys Targaryen (hydrogen blonde) bullying his sister into marriage with a barbarian. He even admits to letting her become the sex-slave of all the Dothraki and their horses, if it is necessary for his goals. Bad, bad, bad!
Incest back in Medieval time, especially between the royalties to "keep the line pure", was not uncommon. The Tarygarens did it for centuries without anyone protesting. As for pushing a child down a window, that was a terrifying crime committed to protect what Jaime perceived to be more important (the things I do for love). As the series moves on, more about Jaime will be revealed. What he is will be for you to judge after the full extent of his history is known.
Viserys Targaryen was born a prince, stripped of his rights by war. It was completely up to him, and him alone, to restore the honor of his ancient family. He was a child, without any support. His pleas were answered with mockery. It drove him to madness and desperate measures, including selling his own sister.
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On November 17 2011 09:47 Perscienter wrote:
When someone is conducting incest (it's a crime in Germany) and attempts manslaughter at a child to cover it up, what am I oversimplifying then, if I say that he is a bad, bad criminal, who needs to be put in jail?
The next one on the list is Viserys Targaryen (hydrogen blonde) bullying his sister into marriage with a barbarian. He even admits to letting her become the sex-slave of all the Dothraki and their horses, if it is necessary for his goals. Bad, bad, bad!
Sure they are doing evil things, but they kind of give some background for why these people are the way they are.
+ Show Spoiler +Cersei is in a tough spot, she loves her brother, and she isn't allowed to be with him. She does some crazy fucking things, and it's not justifiable, but you can kind of see that from the way she was raised, and what she's been put through,(Robert fucking whores and rubbing it in her face, etc)... she has become quite bitchy..
Viserys was always on the run, his family was murdered and killed in his eyes, and it's implied he's got some of the insanity that the mad king had in him.
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