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On December 09 2010 04:56 floor exercise wrote:
I like all the choices. Nothing can ever be the way you have it in your head.
I am unconcerned about quality, HBO really knows how to blow their load on sets and production (then subsequently cancel series because they get too expensive). I wouldn't be surprised if someone at HBO is relieved that so many people doubt the books will ever see a conclusion so people are less upset if the show ends prematurely as well. The only time a show like Rome really showed its budget limitations compared to that of a blockbuster movie would be in battle scenes
If I had to nitpick one actor it would have to be Sean Bean. I like him, and I feel like no movie involving swords and horses is complete without Sean Bean involved in some way, he's the one guy I might have trouble believing to be the character, I guess it's just because he's so recognizable in roles like these. I think he'll do a good job and will draw more people to the show since he is so recognizable, so it kind of goes both ways
+ Show Spoiler +I like the choice of Sean Bean, his death during the first season will come as a shock to many and will shift the focus to the other actors who must play their parts. What I'm concerned about is with it's "lead role" lost, will any of the other actors have that same kind of pulling power to keep the audience engaged
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On December 08 2010 10:00 Zim23 wrote:
I finally sat down and watched the preview of this show and to be honest it got me really really worried. I have this sinking feeling that they're somehow rushing this, I just didn't feel that the world had a large enough scale. A smaller worry is that the acting might not be good enough, but I'm pretty sure this is because i had all their voices in my head and no actor could match that completely.
P.S. The actor playing Jon Snow is no where near baller enough.
The first book has a really small scale anyway.
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On December 09 2010 09:31 Eishi_Ki wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2010 04:56 floor exercise wrote:
I like all the choices. Nothing can ever be the way you have it in your head.
I am unconcerned about quality, HBO really knows how to blow their load on sets and production (then subsequently cancel series because they get too expensive). I wouldn't be surprised if someone at HBO is relieved that so many people doubt the books will ever see a conclusion so people are less upset if the show ends prematurely as well. The only time a show like Rome really showed its budget limitations compared to that of a blockbuster movie would be in battle scenes
If I had to nitpick one actor it would have to be Sean Bean. I like him, and I feel like no movie involving swords and horses is complete without Sean Bean involved in some way, he's the one guy I might have trouble believing to be the character, I guess it's just because he's so recognizable in roles like these. I think he'll do a good job and will draw more people to the show since he is so recognizable, so it kind of goes both ways + Show Spoiler +I like the choice of Sean Bean, his death during the first season will come as a shock to many and will shift the focus to the other actors who must play their parts. What I'm concerned about is with it's "lead role" lost, will any of the other actors have that same kind of pulling power to keep the audience engaged
+ Show Spoiler +I agree wholeheartedly, and it sounds like they are playing him up as the lead protagonist with GRRM saying that Ned Stark is the 'main character' (or however he phrased it) in that 10 minute spoiler. I can't wait for the medieval backstabbing shit to hit the fan for those who haven't read the book but are watching the series.
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In GoT, he pretty much was the central character TBH, GRRM started to slip in other characters around him it was well done.
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On December 09 2010 11:29 Slayer91 wrote:
In GoT, he pretty much was the central character TBH, GRRM started to slip in other characters around him it was well done.
Ya agree, definitely the main character of the first book, if I went back and read it I'm sure he would of had the most chapters.
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On December 09 2010 11:29 Slayer91 wrote:
In GoT, he pretty much was the central character TBH, GRRM started to slip in other characters around him it was well done.
I dunno, I'd have to disagree. He wasn't the first character to have a point of view chapter (that was Bran) and he wasn't the character to have the majority of the story dedicated to him (that was Daenerys). He does have the most chapters in terms of numbers (but not length), but many of those chapters are pretty short. I mean, Catelyn has the second most chapters of any point of view character in AGoT, but I don't think anyone would call her the main character.
I don't think there are any central characters, although ADwD and beyond will probably change this formula as Daenerys and Jon take center stage. The whole point of Eddard was to make the story seem like just your average fantasyland book with him as the hero.
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On December 09 2010 09:31 Eishi_Ki wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2010 04:56 floor exercise wrote:
I like all the choices. Nothing can ever be the way you have it in your head.
I am unconcerned about quality, HBO really knows how to blow their load on sets and production (then subsequently cancel series because they get too expensive). I wouldn't be surprised if someone at HBO is relieved that so many people doubt the books will ever see a conclusion so people are less upset if the show ends prematurely as well. The only time a show like Rome really showed its budget limitations compared to that of a blockbuster movie would be in battle scenes
If I had to nitpick one actor it would have to be Sean Bean. I like him, and I feel like no movie involving swords and horses is complete without Sean Bean involved in some way, he's the one guy I might have trouble believing to be the character, I guess it's just because he's so recognizable in roles like these. I think he'll do a good job and will draw more people to the show since he is so recognizable, so it kind of goes both ways + Show Spoiler +I like the choice of Sean Bean, his death during the first season will come as a shock to many and will shift the focus to the other actors who must play their parts. What I'm concerned about is with it's "lead role" lost, will any of the other actors have that same kind of pulling power to keep the audience engaged
+ Show Spoiler +I'm sort of worried though that since Sean Bean is going to be out the first season that a lot of people will stop watching. And as floor exercise(wtf with that name lol) said, it's obvious from the previews that this is big budget stuff. I think it looks beautiful, but it's hard to imagine they can keep it up throughout the series.
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As I said, it all depends on the other actors and actresses performances to keep the audience engaged and wanting to watch the show (hell, who has ever seen a long time running show with one good character anyway (nvm, just thought of how I met your mother =P))
And you cant base the 'lead role' by how many dedicated chapters he has, by that logic, Robb is entirely irrelevant to the story. The lead role is the character who has the most influence to change in both plot and character which in my eyes is Eddard, Cersei and Tyrion ironically enough
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On December 09 2010 12:41 happyness wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2010 09:31 Eishi_Ki wrote:On December 09 2010 04:56 floor exercise wrote:
I like all the choices. Nothing can ever be the way you have it in your head.
I am unconcerned about quality, HBO really knows how to blow their load on sets and production (then subsequently cancel series because they get too expensive). I wouldn't be surprised if someone at HBO is relieved that so many people doubt the books will ever see a conclusion so people are less upset if the show ends prematurely as well. The only time a show like Rome really showed its budget limitations compared to that of a blockbuster movie would be in battle scenes
If I had to nitpick one actor it would have to be Sean Bean. I like him, and I feel like no movie involving swords and horses is complete without Sean Bean involved in some way, he's the one guy I might have trouble believing to be the character, I guess it's just because he's so recognizable in roles like these. I think he'll do a good job and will draw more people to the show since he is so recognizable, so it kind of goes both ways + Show Spoiler +I like the choice of Sean Bean, his death during the first season will come as a shock to many and will shift the focus to the other actors who must play their parts. What I'm concerned about is with it's "lead role" lost, will any of the other actors have that same kind of pulling power to keep the audience engaged + Show Spoiler +I'm sort of worried though that since Sean Bean is going to be out the first season that a lot of people will stop watching. And as floor exercise(wtf with that name lol) said, it's obvious from the previews that this is big budget stuff. I think it looks beautiful, but it's hard to imagine they can keep it up throughout the series.
if they do it right, it should have the opposite effect and make them want to see it even more
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+ Show Spoiler +Yes, Eddards death actually was what got me really interested in the books. You usually read with the silent assumption "well, he's the hero, and even if it might look grim right now, he will pull through" - and then he just....dies. That "realism" is a great part of what makes grrm's books special to me, and I have no reason to assume that it will be any different in TV form
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Yeah, after I read the first half of Clash of Kings I was waiting for the heroes to crush face and kill evil people.
And after I finished the book I stopped being a little kiddie sci fi reader and became an adult.
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this is prety cool. I hope they dont butcher it... but if the author is on the set i guess nothing will too wrong... hopefully :D
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I think Peter Dinklage is going to make a great Tyrion. There another Inside trailer which as a scene with Tyrion and Jon Snow when Jon asks Tyrion why he reads so much. That scene sold me on him as Tyrion. That same trailer gives a glimpse of Varys and he looks perfect. Varys is one of my favorite characters in the show because he is so faceted.
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On December 09 2010 19:34 Ajunoo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Yes, Eddards death actually was what got me really interested in the books. You usually read with the silent assumption "well, he's the hero, and even if it might look grim right now, he will pull through" - and then he just....dies. That "realism" is a great part of what makes grrm's books special to me, and I have no reason to assume that it will be any different in TV form
+ Show Spoiler +The funny thing is that after the later books, Ned's execution seems almost quaint... After the Red Wedding, I was in a pretty dark mood... Wherever I went, children wept, animals fled, and flowers wilted and died under my gaze.
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On December 10 2010 04:57 CaptainFwiffo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2010 19:34 Ajunoo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Yes, Eddards death actually was what got me really interested in the books. You usually read with the silent assumption "well, he's the hero, and even if it might look grim right now, he will pull through" - and then he just....dies. That "realism" is a great part of what makes grrm's books special to me, and I have no reason to assume that it will be any different in TV form + Show Spoiler +The funny thing is that after the later books, Ned's execution seems almost quaint... After the Red Wedding, I was in a pretty dark mood... Wherever I went, children wept, animals fled, and flowers wilted and died under my gaze.
Ah glorious times in SoI&F. If only Feast of Crows wasn't such an abysmal disappointment and if only ADWD wasn't taking a decade to complete... How I would love this series.
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With so much hype makes me believe this will be another The Walking Dead ... where those who have read the original prints will be disappointed with the TV conversion ... but those who haven't will probably love it.
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On December 10 2010 05:22 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 04:57 CaptainFwiffo wrote:On December 09 2010 19:34 Ajunoo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Yes, Eddards death actually was what got me really interested in the books. You usually read with the silent assumption "well, he's the hero, and even if it might look grim right now, he will pull through" - and then he just....dies. That "realism" is a great part of what makes grrm's books special to me, and I have no reason to assume that it will be any different in TV form + Show Spoiler +The funny thing is that after the later books, Ned's execution seems almost quaint... After the Red Wedding, I was in a pretty dark mood... Wherever I went, children wept, animals fled, and flowers wilted and died under my gaze. Ah glorious times in SoI&F. If only Feast of Crows wasn't such an abysmal disappointment and if only ADWD wasn't taking a decade to complete... How I would love this series.
It's already done IIRC, he's just waiting to publish it.
...Perhaps waiting for this TV series to start to publish it, to drop a media double-bomb, even.
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he's struggling to finish it as far as i know, where did you get the idea that he finished writing?
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I seem to remember some of his livejournal updates where he stated he was starting work on TWoW and moving chapters around between the books. I guess I must have inferred from that that he was done with ADwD? I must be wrong here.
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On December 10 2010 05:22 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 04:57 CaptainFwiffo wrote:On December 09 2010 19:34 Ajunoo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Yes, Eddards death actually was what got me really interested in the books. You usually read with the silent assumption "well, he's the hero, and even if it might look grim right now, he will pull through" - and then he just....dies. That "realism" is a great part of what makes grrm's books special to me, and I have no reason to assume that it will be any different in TV form + Show Spoiler +The funny thing is that after the later books, Ned's execution seems almost quaint... After the Red Wedding, I was in a pretty dark mood... Wherever I went, children wept, animals fled, and flowers wilted and died under my gaze. Ah glorious times in SoI&F. If only Feast of Crows wasn't such an abysmal disappointment and if only ADWD wasn't taking a decade to complete... How I would love this series.
I'm about 2/3 of the way through Feast of Crows now. It definitely isn't as good as a Storm of Swords (or any of the predecessors), but it isn't necessarily "bad" either. The + Show Spoiler + storyline is very interesting, and I can't wait to see where it ends up.
+ Show Spoiler +The other storylines aren't as interesting. Cersei is Queen Bitch, setting herself up for some epic tragedy of her own. It seems like she has lit the fuses to 20 different possible self-destructive disasters. I just hope the tragedy befalls her by the end of the book. I don't want to see it dragged out any further. The stuff going on in Dorne seems pointless, as does the Ironborn storyline (unless Victarion ends up bringing Dany and her army back to Westeros). All in all, there's too much going on and not enough going on at the same time. And where the hell is Tyrion? He's my favorite character. 
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