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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36399 Posts
December 08 2010 18:01 GMT
#441
For Arya, they clearly picked a young actress who wasn't cute in the traditional sort of way. Of course she's not ugly, but she's tomboyish and contrasts enough with the other main female leads (like Sansa and Cersei) to be believable. It really is nitpicking to worry about the degree of unattractive or attractiveness. I'd understand if they casted a really pretty girly girl, but the actress they have is great.
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17741 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-08 18:02:35
December 08 2010 18:02 GMT
#442
+ Show Spoiler [some nice art on AGOT characters] +

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And the trailer didn't look so hot to me. In 2011 Your Highness is the fantasy flick I'm waiting for the most.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36399 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-08 18:05:23
December 08 2010 18:04 GMT
#443
On December 09 2010 03:02 Manit0u wrote:
And the trailer didn't look so hot to me. In 2011 Your Highness is the fantasy flick I'm waiting for the most.

Well that's good, because Your Highness is a movie while GOT is a TV series, Your Highness is a comedy while GOT is a serious drama, and neither is really traditional fantasy, so I don't see where the comparison or relation even comes into play.

It's like me going into Dexter thread and being like "yeah this show doesn't look that hot, I really like Inception that's what I'm looking forward to."
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KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14911 Posts
December 08 2010 18:13 GMT
#444
Can't please everyone no matter what
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17741 Posts
December 08 2010 18:17 GMT
#445
On December 09 2010 03:04 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2010 03:02 Manit0u wrote:
And the trailer didn't look so hot to me. In 2011 Your Highness is the fantasy flick I'm waiting for the most.

Well that's good, because Your Highness is a movie while GOT is a TV series, Your Highness is a comedy while GOT is a serious drama, and neither is really traditional fantasy, so I don't see where the comparison or relation even comes into play.

It's like me going into Dexter thread and being like "yeah this show doesn't look that hot, I really like Inception that's what I'm looking forward to."


I was all hyped for AGOT TV series. The pictures looked nice, but the trailer kinda toned it down for me (that's why I'm not looking forward to it with as much passion any more). Although I still trust in HBO as their shows tend to be quality products (take Rome for instance).
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Ap_Furio
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom12 Posts
December 08 2010 18:22 GMT
#446
I think people shouldn't worry too much about tyrion, as long as he can act the role, also after the awesome battle at kings landing, he's gonna be an ugly bastard either way lol
"If it bleeds, we can kill it"
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
December 08 2010 18:29 GMT
#447
+ Show Spoiler +
Respond in spoiler please. I've read all the books, but just how many wolves are left at this point?
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Krigwin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1130 Posts
December 08 2010 18:30 GMT
#448
I never said Arya was "too attractive". I never even said she was attractive! I said that she could be considered attractive, and then I added that it's too early to tell. Maybe she'll get the part absolutely right and be the most scruffy, grungy little girl we've ever seen on television, who knows. Jesus, people.

And these aren't "complaints". They're concerns. No one's picketing the studio or launching angry emails, just questioning some of the casting/makeup decisions. Like with Tyrion for instance, no one is saying "OH THEY SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN ANOTHER ACTOR THAT'S REALLY FREAKING HIDEOUS AND MAKES ME PHYSICALLY SICK", we're saying "Hmm, I thought the whole point of Tyrion was to be really ugly. Shouldn't they do some makeup or something and make his face more along how it's described in the book?". There's a difference. Calm down.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36399 Posts
December 08 2010 18:36 GMT
#449
On December 09 2010 03:30 Krigwin wrote:
I never said Arya was "too attractive". I never even said she was attractive! I said that she could be considered attractive, and then I added that it's too early to tell. Maybe she'll get the part absolutely right and be the most scruffy, grungy little girl we've ever seen on television, who knows. Jesus, people.

And these aren't "complaints". They're concerns. No one's picketing the studio or launching angry emails, just questioning some of the casting/makeup decisions. Like with Tyrion for instance, no one is saying "OH THEY SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN ANOTHER ACTOR THAT'S REALLY FREAKING HIDEOUS AND MAKES ME PHYSICALLY SICK", we're saying "Hmm, I thought the whole point of Tyrion was to be really ugly. Shouldn't they do some makeup or something and make his face more along how it's described in the book?". There's a difference. Calm down.

I don't think anyone is worked up over this except you, as nobody is really ranting (other than your response here). There's no need to get angry.
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Krigwin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1130 Posts
December 08 2010 18:44 GMT
#450
You yourself are already accusing others of nitpicking. I despise accusations of "nitpicking" and my major point was to illustrate the difference between actual complaints and constructive criticism. Plus I wanted to ward off additional "you complain too much" responses.

Don't worry, I'm not angry.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36399 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-08 18:54:33
December 08 2010 18:48 GMT
#451
I disagree, what you're doing with this:
The two biggest concerns aside from Cersei and Littlefinger's height and Tyrion not being hideous, are going to be Arya and Jon imo.

...is certainly nitpicking. Labeling it complaints or concerns or whatever doesn't really matter.

Your biggest concerns are all minor physical appearance things like the height and level of ugliness, as well as whether Jon snow resembles Eddard (which is an interesting comment in itself but I'll let the asoiaf vets laugh to themselves about that one). This isn't constructive criticism. They're not going to magically make these actors prettier or uglier or taller. Yes, the look of the series is important but there are far more important things to worry about than height or ugliness level, so this stuff shouldn't be anyone's "biggest concern."

edit: let me add that I think LF is short enough. Tyrion is ugly enough. Arya is tomboyish enough. It doesn't have to be exact, but adequate to carry the meaning of these attributes in the characters.
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Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
December 08 2010 18:50 GMT
#452
for all of you who're unhappy with the look of any of the characters, i recommend taking a look at this editorial
http://winter-is-coming.net/2010/12/drawing-the-line-where-do-you-stand/
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zerglingsfolife
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1694 Posts
December 08 2010 18:54 GMT
#453
God damn Stannis is so fucking badass. I can't wait to see all the characters I love.

Also, the Blackfish better be a fucking beast. If he isn't awesome, I'm gonna be super pissed.
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Chaoz
Profile Joined March 2010
United States507 Posts
December 08 2010 18:56 GMT
#454
So I just noticed they didn't show the direwolves in the video. I hope they didn't take them out...
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36399 Posts
December 08 2010 19:09 GMT
#455
On December 09 2010 03:56 Chaoz wrote:
So I just noticed they didn't show the direwolves in the video. I hope they didn't take them out...

You don't have to worry the direwolves are such an integral part of the story they would never take them out. That and they've already shown the scene where they find the direwolf pups. Also, this is one of the best production stills thus far:

http://www.makinggameofthrones.com/storage/sansa.jpg
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happyness
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2400 Posts
December 08 2010 19:17 GMT
#456
I can't believe people are already complaining about the looks of characters. It's almost as if they'd rather have characters that look right instead of good actors.

The thing is IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE WAY YOU IMAGINED IT. And it's never going to reach your expectations. No movie/tv show ever comes as close to the enjoyment of the book.

But the fact that GRRM is helping in the production and writing, and that HBO is doing the series, and that it isn't a movie(that would be disasteruos) means that it should be good(though I'm also not setting my expectations too high). If you don't like it already just plan on not watching it and please don't complain.
Krigwin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1130 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-08 19:21:15
December 08 2010 19:18 GMT
#457
On December 09 2010 03:48 Hot_Bid wrote:
I disagree, what you're doing with this:
Show nested quote +
The two biggest concerns aside from Cersei and Littlefinger's height and Tyrion not being hideous, are going to be Arya and Jon imo.

...is certainly nitpicking. Labeling it complaints or concerns or whatever doesn't really matter.

Your biggest concerns are all minor physical appearance things like the height and level of ugliness, as well as whether Jon snow resembles Eddard (which is an interesting comment in itself but I'll let the asoiaf vets laugh to themselves about that one). This isn't constructive criticism. They're not going to magically make these actors prettier or uglier or taller. Yes, the look of the series is important but there are far more important things to worry about than height or ugliness level, so this stuff shouldn't be anyone's "biggest concern."

You'd be correct if what I was talking about was minor character details that don't really make a difference to the plot, like Bronn having black hair or something. That's not the case. These "physical appearance things", as you put it, are incredibly important to the characters and to the overall plot. And they're far from my biggest concerns, please don't put words in my mouth. EDIT: that was misphrasing there, when I said biggest concerns I meant in terms of which characters' appearances are more alarming than others.

I'm going to be venturing into post-AGoT territory here to explain this point so it's spoiler time!

+ Show Spoiler +
Cersei's defining attribute is her beauty. It's part of what makes her such an important tool at Tywin's disposal, it's part of what makes her a solid marriage choice. In fact, I'd argue a major point of her character is to illustrate the deceptive danger of beauty. Even Robert agrees she is beautiful, but he also states she's a witch. But beauty aside, what's even more important is the blonde hair and green eyes, that's the defining attribute of the Lannister twins. They are famous for it. She is supposed to resemble Jaime in every way. When they were young, they could pass for each other and even Tywin could not tell the difference. In part, they so love each other because they love themselves. That's pretty important.

Littlefinger's defining attribute is his height. In fact, he's named for it. His height is the principle attribute belying how deceptively dangerous and brilliant he is. In his duel against Brandon Stark for Catelyn's hand, the major difference was that Brandon was this huge, fiery, hotheaded jock and the young Petyr Baelish was just this short, skinny, tiny kid. In fact, when Catelyn runs into Littlefinger at King's Landing, she remarks how he hasn't changed really, in terms of height, since the last time they met, which was after the duel with Brandon that left Petyr Baelish a broken man.

One of Arya's defining attributes is her appearance. She uses it to pass for a boy many times. Catelyn remarks that when the Starks had visitors, people often confused Arya for a stableboy. Yoren recognizes this right away and uses it to hide Arya on the way back to Winterfell. Arya herself realizes this, she realizes people like Sansa more because she's beautiful and womanlike and Arya is just this tomboy kid who plays in the mud. She thinks that because of her appearance and other attributes, she's not very womanly, so she's surprised at being compared to Lyanna (even though the two have almost identical personalities), because Lyanna is widely known for being the most beautiful Stark.

Tyrion's defining attribute is also his appearance. He has been victimized, ostracized, demonized, all his life for his appearance. This only gets worse after the scars he receives in the Battle of the Blackwater. He is called the Imp because he is known for being horrifyingly hideous. He knows he will probably never get a woman to love him because of his appearance, so he retreats to empty passion with whores. His physical appearance is the principle attribute that has shaped and defined his entire life. Thus it's a valid concern for him to be portrayed by this very handsome actor in Peter Dinklage.

Finally, Jon's resemblance to Eddard is perhaps the most important thing about him because it's to emphasize how similar he is to Eddard. I'm venturing into REALLY deep territory now so beware of spoilers, anyone. Catelyn despises him for this (and for being a bastard). She remarks that Jon Snow, this bastard child with an unknown mother, more resembles Eddard Stark than the five other children she has borne him, of noble blood. Robb Stark, Eddard's rightful heir, more resembles a Tully than a Stark, and so do all of Catelyn's other children. Jon is supposed to be like, a second-generation Eddard. He loves Eddard as his father and is willing to abandon the Wall to avenge him after his death. Even after infiltrating Mance Rayder's camp he tries to stay true to his principles, very Eddard-like behavior (honor before reason). The point is Jon, of all of the Stark children, is the most Stark-like, which makes actually perfect sense if his mother is indeed + Show Spoiler +
Lyanna
.


So I hope that clarifies how these are valid concerns and not petty complaints. And yes, they can and should "magically" change these actors, it's called cinematography and makeup. They can very easily make Littlefinger seem a lot shorter than his actor really is with camera angles and such, and it would behoove them to do so, especially in scenes like Eddard's meeting with Littlefinger, which is supposed to show how + Show Spoiler +
Littlefinger despises the Starks and in a way, masterfully engineers the downfall of the entire family as revenge for Brandon, and then later Eddard, winning over Catelyn from him.

In conclusion, these are minor concerns I have from just this trailer and the limited information we have thus far. I don't regard them so much as flaws of the show quite yet since we haven't actually seen the show, and it's therefore possible for all of the actors to get these characters down perfectly. But since most of the information we have received are largely visual, clearly the concerns raised at this point are going to be visual, and these minor details about the characters' appearances are actually pretty integral to the plot, so I'm hoping they will be able to do it right.
hejakev
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden518 Posts
December 08 2010 19:19 GMT
#458
I worked on this show! For anyone worrying about the quality:

The production budget for Game of Thrones is almost as high as Boardwalk Empire's (which spent $18 million on the pilot alone). Needless to say, HBO has a lot invested in this.

G.R.R.M. was there to supervise every single scene during filming, making sure they were just as he envisioned them in the books. Unfortunately I didn't read any of the books, but I've read the scripts for episodes 1-4 and they're amazing. The story gets really sexual at times, which makes me think True Blood and Tudors fans will jump on this bandwagon.
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-08 19:57:10
December 08 2010 19:56 GMT
#459
I like all the choices. Nothing can ever be the way you have it in your head.

I am unconcerned about quality, HBO really knows how to blow their load on sets and production (then subsequently cancel series because they get too expensive). I wouldn't be surprised if someone at HBO is relieved that so many people doubt the books will ever see a conclusion so people are less upset if the show ends prematurely as well. The only time a show like Rome really showed its budget limitations compared to that of a blockbuster movie would be in battle scenes

If I had to nitpick one actor it would have to be Sean Bean. I like him, and I feel like no movie involving swords and horses is complete without Sean Bean involved in some way, he's the one guy I might have trouble believing to be the character, I guess it's just because he's so recognizable in roles like these. I think he'll do a good job and will draw more people to the show since he is so recognizable, so it kind of goes both ways
CaptainFwiffo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States576 Posts
December 08 2010 20:43 GMT
#460
On December 09 2010 03:29 Risen wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Respond in spoiler please. I've read all the books, but just how many wolves are left at this point?

+ Show Spoiler +
Sansa's and Robb's are the only ones that are definitely dead. Arya's is run off, and if her dreams are to be believed, is heading up a huge pack of wolves prowling the countryside. Bran and Rickon still had theirs when last we saw them, as did Jon.
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