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sharkie
Austria18572 Posts
On April 30 2019 06:10 TaKeTV wrote: If GRRM never finishes the books, it has to be one of the biggest blue balls of all time. Will be so annoying how his fanboys will cry what a masterpiece was denied lol. | ||
KwarK
United States43513 Posts
On April 30 2019 06:38 sharkie wrote: Will be so annoying how his fanboys will cry what a masterpiece was denied lol. If GRRM was such a great writer he wouldn’t have written himself into a web of nonsensical storylines. There’s so much irrelevant book stuff, like 20 ongoing stories and locations at this point. It’s great for the fans who are trying to work out how all this will come together with their theories but it’s clear he had no clue. | ||
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TaKeTV
Germany1200 Posts
On April 30 2019 06:50 KwarK wrote: If GRRM was such a great writer he wouldn’t have written himself into a web of nonsensical storylines. There’s so much irrelevant book stuff, like 20 ongoing stories and locations at this point. It’s great for the fans who are trying to work out how all this will come together with their theories but it’s clear he had no clue. As much as fans want to work it out and you call it speculation its the same speculation on your end that he has "no clue". He obviously isn't lazy so I suppose he somewhat isn't sure how to end it or hasn't found a solution that makes him happy / meets his standard, but simply saying he has no clue is questionable too. I think finishing it should still be priority. Overall even with a mediocre finish / tying all ends or trying its a masterpiece. There really is more or less nothing in our world that is perfect, fits everyone or couldnt have had put more work into it. Dont you agree that this series should be finished by him and that he can come to a reasonable end? Also - calling out GRRM for not being a great writer just makes you look hateful. We can all agree if diehard fan or not that he should have finished at least one more book by now and potentially evolve things / do some things different, but "not a great writer" is ... ?? what. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5022 Posts
Maybe the Gods corrupt/embody a physical entity to do their bidding for them, like some kind of fucked up MOBA or RTS lol. It's like their way of duking it out in a different realm, one where much more is at stake then simply whatever it is that Gods do. Anyway, about the episode, I have mixed feelings. Would be such a let down if the entire magical lore behind everything stays super vague and we get no explanations or deus ex machina (because, that's what magic kind of is, pulling the fucking impossible out of your ass at the most important moments and let everyone go OOOOOOOOH). Heroes were too strong, they didn't have the heart to kill off a few. Like there could've been such a strong moment where either Jaime or Brienne die. Where did Ghost go, why wasn't he with Jon? Didn't like the magic behind the trenches lighting on fire (if the Bran narratives holds, it might become slightly better). The assassination at the end kind of makes it all have a bitter taste now. If the stakes can somehow be raised and Bran does somehow still play an important role, this can still become a good way to end the Night King, IF Bran somehow knew he would never be any trouble etc. But I guess we'll see if the upcoming episodes will be able to relieve that bitter taste or not.. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
Still I have the same criticism of having to many unearned hero moment/not enough sudden characters death, detracting for most important scene (Jorah and Theon death for example) Liana killing a giant, Jaime saving Brienne out of nowhere and vice versa where bad point for me. Still the absolute nightmarish energy from the army of the dead, as well as Mayse Williams great acting when she flee the dead and overall in the episode make this a great episode Also I don't know if Bran giving Arya the dagger in the gods-wood meant he could see the future. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
I fell in love with the gritty fantasy setting political drama, but its been clear for awhile that the show is now a generic fantasy action series which is totally fine but man it's not what I was hoping for when I started this series. Ah well. | ||
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VHbb
692 Posts
I just read this theory online about LittleFinger, according to which he was replaced by a faceless someone when he was (supposedly) executed, so he would still be alive. Do you think it's at all possible he ends up on top at the end of the game of thrones? It would be at least interesting, even though I feel he really is dead. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10837 Posts
On April 30 2019 05:33 KwarK wrote: Not if Bran was lying by the roots of the heart tree going full 3ER and merging into the tree cause he no longer had a face. That would have been the one solution that could have made Aria killing the NK cool. But she needs to run around like a scared little girl for a few minutes, no matter she killed XX wights just seconds before, then gets a short prep talk to become superninja again. I mean, WAT? | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
On April 30 2019 07:08 crms wrote: The episode was fun and exciting and had a lot of cool shots. It also had next to nothing that made me fall in love with the series. If there were 3 seasons remaining and not 3 episodes, I'd probably stop watching but I'll see it through at this point. I fell in love with the gritty fantasy setting political drama, but its been clear for awhile that the show is now a generic fantasy action series which is totally fine but man it's not what I was hoping for when I started this series. Ah well. The same feeling that I have now, for me it could be only have one chapter remaining and will be the same, the writing quality the last 3 seasons including this one has set the bar really low, so you cant expect something fantastic for the remaining chapters, just let Arya jumps from any tower and kills all the enemies. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18572 Posts
thats why I find all the hate now so funny | ||
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KwarK
United States43513 Posts
On April 30 2019 06:52 TaKeTV wrote: As much as fans want to work it out and you call it speculation its the same speculation on your end that he has "no clue". He obviously isn't lazy so I suppose he somewhat isn't sure how to end it or hasn't found a solution that makes him happy / meets his standard, but simply saying he has no clue is questionable too. I think finishing it should still be priority. Overall even with a mediocre finish / tying all ends or trying its a masterpiece. There really is more or less nothing in our world that is perfect, fits everyone or couldnt have had put more work into it. Dont you agree that this series should be finished by him and that he can come to a reasonable end? Also - calling out GRRM for not being a great writer just makes you look hateful. We can all agree if diehard fan or not that he should have finished at least one more book by now and potentially evolve things / do some things different, but "not a great writer" is ... ?? what. I’m not hateful, I’m not upset, I’m simply making an observation. GRRM failed to keep the story tight. He had this big magical world full of actors with their own stories, backgrounds and agendas and he wanted to tell us all about all of them. But the world doesn’t naturally have narratives, reality doesn’t have all the stories come together for that perfect climactic moment. It’s meandering and inconsistent and often meaningless, which is a problem for an author. GRRM literally lost the plot. He’s stuck with the Sons of the Harpy and the Dornish Master Plan and the Mummers Prince and the Blackfyres and the Maester’s Plot and the Free Companies and the Red Priests and the Faceless Men and the Faith Militant and the ancient prophecies and Vary’s schemes and the slaver cities and Illyrio and Victarion and the dragon horn and Stoneheart and Wolf Dreams and so on and so on forever. It’s all very interesting, but it isn’t a story. He stopped because what else can he do at this point? How can all of that come together? I didn’t even mention any of the actual Game of Thrones stuff there, that’s all side stuff. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
i guess it was an elaborate plot by sansa to make sure there would be no dothrakis left after | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4134 Posts
Thats why he did not went into a sword fight with John, he doesnt want to prove anything, he doesnt care about glory, he doesnt care about killing a human's leader, he wants the job done as optimal as possible, but he cannot slow it down or work around it, he can only goes in a straight line towards it. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18199 Posts
As the completion of the biggest story arcs in GoT... what a total letdown  Also, you know that move with the lightsaber that Rey did and everybody made fun of on the internet? Arya just did that to kill the biggest bad guy in the world of Westeros. My wife really liked that move tho and rewatched it because it was badass. I have some other gripes with specifics of the episode, but overall it was a good depiction of a doomsday battle. However my main problems are with its place in the story: 1) Bran is a total waste of space. They made a big deal of him "going" and he warged into a bunch of ravens that did... nothing. Then just as the Night King was going to bow and pledge allegiance to the one true King in the North, they had Arya sneak by a few hundred undead and all the other White Walkers to sneak attack him, so now we never know if he was reaching for his sword to murder Bran or pledge his allegiance. But damn, it better be the latter, because he could just have let his undead army do the former and not get murdered. 2) They still have 1, probably 2 live dragons. Unless Jon and Dany have a huge falling out and we get a big Tagaryen fight out for who gets to rule the north, Aegon conquered the whole of the seven kingdoms with less than that. Also, Dorne has so far not fought anything and should easily rally behind Daenerys. So golden company or no, she's pretty much dead. Unless the "good guys" go and do something stupid again. Which means the other 5 episodes of the season are going to be "we killed Sauron, but oh look, Saruman did stuff in the Shire, oh no!" 3) Spend the entire previous episode planning the battle. And the best you can come up with for the first move is to have the cavalry charge headlong into a wall of undeads. And this was the plan *before* they had flaming arakhs. How utterly incompetent are these greatest military minds in the seven kingdoms? K, done ranting. Gonna read the 15 pages you guys wrote the exact same stuff I did. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
On April 30 2019 02:28 ahw wrote: And it stands to mention that the series, “a song of ice and fire”, alludes to the prophecy and myths that permeate the books/shows, that suggest a deeper meaning to the character who “ends the long night”. But, y’know, surprise! What a badass, etc No it's been confirmed by GRRM it's a reference to Robert Frost's anti-war poem. That's the whole point of the series. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
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Doko
Argentina1737 Posts
On April 30 2019 07:57 karazax wrote: In earlier seasons a character who got surrounded by wights would have died. Season 1 Jon barely fights off one wight to save Lord Mormont. Now the writers routinely put main characters in life threatening battles where only super heroes could survive and it turns out our main characters are super heroes. It's possible to make an entertaining story with heroes like that, but it's very different from the more "realistic" threat of death from the earlier seasons. Producers forgot to introduce enough training montages to help you keep up with the main characters's power level | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10136 Posts
On April 30 2019 07:08 crms wrote: I fell in love with the gritty fantasy setting political drama, but its been clear for awhile that the show is now a generic fantasy action series which is totally fine but man it's not what I was hoping for when I started this series. Ah well. When at the beginning of the very first season and very first episode you saw the first walkers, what the hell did you expect?  | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On April 30 2019 08:40 Godwrath wrote: When at the beginning of the very first season and very first episode you saw the first walkers, what the hell did you expect? Misunderstood entities that were actually a bit more sympathetic and mysterious. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On April 30 2019 05:17 virpi wrote: I'm kinda angry. All that build up for Arya ex machina? Come on. I really hope they'll do something surprising in the next episode. Otherwise, we're on our way to Lost 2.0, which would be a shame. I mean, at some point when the 20-something guys left are about to die, what do you expect? Obviously there is going to be some ass-pull of epic proportion... Anyway I shouldn't have come read this thread, I'm kinda baffled at how hard it is for some of you guys to enjoy this kind of things. I know we're on an RTS forum and all that and we're all pretty rational people, but it must be hard enjoying any kind of fiction these days. I don't envy you, I found this episode riveting. It sets new standards in production at least (like, the overall visuals/music). If I had to say something non-plot related, I just wasn't too much of a fan of the whole sneaking-past-slow-cackling-zombies trope played 100% straight-up in that Arya scene. | ||
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