EPTWill there be an Iron Throne at the end of this series? And if not, how does it get destroyed and what do they replace it with? Be at literal or symbolic as it pleases you.
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Will there be an Iron Throne at the end of this series? And if not, how does it get destroyed and what do they replace it with? Be at literal or symbolic as it pleases you. | ||
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VHbb
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26367 Posts
On April 30 2019 05:33 The_Red_Viper wrote: I mean more power to you if you overall really loved the episode, as i said in my first comment i think there is great stuff in there as well. They orchestrated some nice moments, sadly i think the narrative problems are just too big to allow me to really enjoy it. I disagree about it being less tense if it didn't come out of left field, the whole nightking having a firm grip on her would be so much more tense exactly because we would have known that she is coming for him. Best case scenario they would have the same parts as it was now, with crosscutting between the NK and Jon, then he arrives there and something happens between him and 3ER while we get a climps of arya coming for him, to then just fail (at least for a moment). They could have played that longer as well, now the tension released almost immediately. Things are tense because the audience knows things the characters in the story don't. If we know arya is coming we have time to think things through, to be thrilled and hope that she can succeed somehow. Imagine having that for her to fail at first into some form of trick. Way more satisfying already (not great either, but there is a setup at least) Well people perceived him getting the dragon as outsmarting dany i guess, they thought he can look into the future and see that she would come with dragons. Doesn't seem super likely anymore, it was just convenient. I completely agree about the music, it was one of the highlights in that episode for me as well. But that was always a real strength of GoT, great soundtrack indeed! The point about Bran isn't necessarily that he has to skinchange into the dragon (though there would be setup for him doing it at least), but just that there has to be some reason why the NK wants him dead. What about the 3ER is so special that he needs to die, he was the "memory", but why is that important. There is something missing here to make it satisfying. Well, indeed. It’s the only thing that made sense unless the Night King was an idiot, he could have just speared Jon with ease otherwise. But then he walks into Bran’s obvious trap and dies, so maybe he just is an idiot? Really I’m sick of trying to second guess things they’re not actually writing or showing us, because I really don’t think they know what they’re doing anymore in these regards. Yeah spectacle and fan service goes a fair while, there was so many holes in the writing now. Speculation has moved from prophecies and lineage in earlier seasons to having to fill in flaws in motivation or worldbuilding. | ||
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
He and his undead army fucking roflstomped that pseudo human defense with ease. He left Jon being surrounded by dozens of undeads and was pretty sure that war is over and he simply walked in to snipe Bran as well and then the surprise happened. I know this can be kind of disappoint for some of you but come on, there are only 3 episodes left, what you expected? + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/uHIHRjr.png) | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On April 30 2019 05:40 Plansix wrote: Ok, lets get to some speculation, but the fun type that is harder to pin down. Will there be an Iron Throne at the end of this series? And if not, how does it get destroyed and what do they replace it with? Be at literal or symbolic as it pleases you. You just want us to say that they break the wheel and the monarchy is ended and Dany and Jon usher us into representative democracy. A better ending than that would be though that Arya dies to Qyburn / The Mountain in some horrible fashion because seriously fuck ninja magic. Jaime lives happily ever after because he's far too handsome to die. Cersei gives birth and has a stand off with Dany and John where Dany is about to have Cersei and her baby killed. But Jon sees that the Targaryean has turned mad and won't allow a civilization that begins with the murder of the innocent. Thus he kills Dany and the wheel Dany hoped to break continues as he is forced into a marriage with Cersei for the betterment of the realm. Not the best ending I can think of but at least Dany dies in it. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On April 30 2019 05:35 VHbb wrote: I'm curious about the rest of the story and how they wrap it up. I don't see Cersei winning it all honestly, but I wonder how things will go in the end: it's fair to assume that the tensions between factions / characters are suspended for this episode given the undead menace, but I assume from next episode things will resume - sansa / the north and daenerys / targaryen - jamie and his relationship with cersei, and the fact that he's at winterfell without going more through the list, there's a bunch of characters with reasons to not stand together, which might start to plot again now that the "game" resumes.. what do you think? there are 3 more episodes, assuming that 1 episode is setup for the battle vs cersei and regrouping after this one, 1 episode is the battle at king's landing, the final one should be just wrap up? Part of me feels there's no way Cersei wins. The current writers love shock value, sure, but they also love giving the favorite characters plot armor and pseudo-"fanfic" payoffs (like the entirety of episode 2). Of course, her winning could be the ending GRRM told them about and it happens, but the current way the story is going doesn't make me feel that it's likely. I am interested in the tension between Dany/Jon/Sansa now, I think that's by and far the most interesting plotline left. Cersei isn't interesting, there's basically two outcomes: she wins and it's a downer ending, or she loses because she's evil. Neither would be surprising at this point. | ||
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Warri
Germany3208 Posts
On April 30 2019 04:52 739 wrote: LMAO, I had the same feeling. Anyway, I KNEW, like I was telling everyone and that seemed pretty obvious that Arya will play some critical role in that war. Episode was kinda NICE, the scenes, the music and stuff but I'm kind of little disappointed because of the whole Bran thing. I thought he's gonna channel some fucking kamehameha at the NK but no, he kept sitting and doing nothing >D Edit : Also, I think that this https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/binsug/spoilers_the_bran_is_the_lord_of_light_theory_is/ is pretty legit and Bran won't be 101% bait. But isnt the faceless god the lord of death? And the faceless god has nothing to do with westeros? And the Lord of Light is also an essos based god, a region which doesnt even have weirwood trees. That theory just doesnt fit at all imo. | ||
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love2d
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The suspense in the beginning was unbelievable, and everyone sold the terror so well. The Dothraki with their fiery swords running into the night and getting assraped in the dark, and then the overhead shot of the lights fading... Unbelievable, suspenseful and utterly beautiful. The music also has never been better. The piano piece when it looked like the battle was lost, and the absolute despair I felt. There's never been anything like it on TV. And then Arya goes 'nothing personnel kid' and teleports over the battlefield to stab the Night King and everyone's fine? What in the fuck? How does that even make sense? Literally everyone who was just buried underneath a wave of thousands of Wights survives? Fucking Sam, who flounders all over the place and has to be saved every five seconds survives? Drogon survived (despite being stabbed a million times, but fine), but how about Rhaegon? And did Bran do literally nothing, or is that something that will be revealed to us at a later point? | ||
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TaKeTV
Germany1200 Posts
At Winterfell he played his numbers. He easily crushed the defence and when the wights were stopped due to the trenches and the dragon was torching them, he made the choice to sacrifice as many as needed to continue the attack. Furthermore saving all his walkers via the force of nature. All in all if you want to call that strategy, I don't think he was stupid. Someone mentioned he is seemingly arrogant, for all that matters I dont agree but I can get behind it. I really don't have an issue with Arya killing him either. Its just I wished for it being a better shot / another solution AND more people dying. Thats my main two points of disappointment. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 30 2019 05:54 SK.Testie wrote: You just want us to say that they break the wheel and the monarchy is ended and Dany and Jon usher us into representative democracy. A better ending than that would be though that Arya dies to Qyburn / The Mountain in some horrible fashion because seriously fuck ninja magic. Jaime lives happily ever after because he's far too handsome to die. Cersei gives birth and has a stand off with Dany and John where Dany is about to have Cersei and her baby killed. But Jon sees that the Targaryean has turned mad and won't allow a civilization that begins with the murder of the innocent. Thus he kills Dany and the wheel Dany hoped to break continues as he is forced into a marriage with Cersei for the betterment of the realm. Not the best ending I can think of but at least Dany dies in it. No, I want you to speculate. I mean what I say. Never be confused. Some people think there will still be an Iron Throne. Others say that throne is going up in flames and they are going to establish a new type of rule. And anyone who studied history knows the war this series is inspired by did not lead to a representative democracy, so that theory is silly. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26367 Posts
On April 30 2019 05:51 Plansix wrote: The Night King having some form of foresight/far sight makes it hard to know how smart he is or if he is simply unaware of the limitations of his own powers. Or alternative, I can justify him foreseeing he would kill Bran in that moment, but the foresight being inaccurate because Arya was touched by the Many Faced God. Possibly, possibly not. We’re speculating about powers we don’t know that people have and about potential counter-measures we also don’t know exist either. I wanted some kind of Bran tricking the NK’s foresight kind of resolution if we were to go down the kill the NK this episode route. Would have been cool for some dialogue between them of some kind too, I mean that was my vague preference. I don’t want to play magic powers top trumps with characters but I have zero idea who can do what in a way that feels at all consistent. I have a pretty firm feeling that GRRM has held back a lot of NK/3ER stuff for whatever reason and for whatever use and it’s hamstrung the writers of the show. | ||
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TaKeTV
Germany1200 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 30 2019 06:04 Wombat_NI wrote: Possibly, possibly not. We’re speculating about powers we don’t know that people have and about potential counter-measures we also don’t know exist either. I wanted some kind of Bran tricking the NK’s foresight kind of resolution if we were to go down the kill the NK this episode route. Would have been cool for some dialogue between them of some kind too, I mean that was my vague preference. I don’t want to play magic powers top trumps with characters but I have zero idea who can do what in a way that feels at all consistent. I have a pretty firm feeling that GRRM has held back a lot of NK/3ER stuff for whatever reason and for whatever use and it’s hamstrung the writers of the show. When I say I can justify it, I mean I can read it that way and it makes sense to me. I don’t want the magical powers and tricks to be explained. If someone can look into the future, I don’t want to know what happens when two people can look into the future and have completing visions. But I also think the Faceless God, however it works, might not like the Night King and his abuse of the death and his undying nature. Even if the god is indifferent towards the suffering of man, the Faceless God still wants them to live and die. | ||
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Merany
France890 Posts
I mean sure, there was a few not so clever moments (the horde charging was probably the worst offender) but what a great fucking episode otherwise! So much tension, so little hope, my heart was going crazy start to finish. Even Arya's Assassins Creed mode was badass beyond measure. Only thing I'm worried about now is how they are going to make the 3 last episodes live up to this one. | ||
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VHbb
692 Posts
If the "good guys" (let's say Stark and Dany) end up losing, and not ruling anything in the end, I would feel that GoT-like satisfaction from seeing the standard ending subverted, and the ones portrayed as the "good" side losing, but I would like something more developed to close the show. I don't think Cersei simply winning and ruling would be all that satisfying plot wise. At the same time, if they just march south and after some struggle win and Dany+Jon rule the 7 kingdoms it would be a bit to streamlined. I really don't see any kind of "democracy" coming out of this, I never saw it anywhere in the show: even Dany, who wants to "break the wheel", clearly wants to rule herself and cares about the standard royal line of succession. I honestly don't know  I just hope is not to simplistic, but at the same time I don't like dramatic ending for the sole purpose of shocking the audience | ||
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VHbb
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On April 30 2019 06:16 VHbb wrote: A btw Jamie and Tyrion are also under thread from Bronn coming from the south with his crossbow I think you mean, Bronn is heading north to deliver the Crossbow that will kill Cersei. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14104 Posts
On April 30 2019 06:12 Merany wrote: So much hating and nagging in this thread! I mean sure, there was a few not so clever moments (the horde charging was probably the worst offender) but what a great fucking episode otherwise! So much tension, so little hope, my heart was going crazy start to finish. Even Arya's Assassins Creed mode was badass beyond measure. Only thing I'm worried about now is how they are going to make the 3 last episodes live up to this one. Its not really Assasins creed or badass to yell while you are jumping from somewhere in the air. There are just so many different moments where they traded cleverness for a werid idea of what they think is an iconic moment. It was the ice island that everything had to serve last season but this episode was a lot like that. The Dothraki getting their fire swords looks cool at the moment but is really dumb if you think about it for a second and gets worse as they result in doing less then nothing. They finally have the unsullied fighting in an open field and they fight worse than dirt scratching peasants from the medieval era. All the main characters are in the thick of the fighting but all survive without any injury to note. I mean Vikings did firelit scenes and they were super cinematic and great, but the thing was was that you could see everyone clearly. I just don't think the light mixed well and a lot of the time it was just blurry or confusing to tell what was going on. | ||
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