EPTGRRM, however, annoys me. If he were young and not a fatass, I'd be cool. But I would prefer if the old overweight GRRM could finish his damn series before he buys the farm. He's writing great fantasy but it's no like he's writing mind-bendingly great literature. Finish the fucking books already.
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cucumber
United States116 Posts
GRRM, however, annoys me. If he were young and not a fatass, I'd be cool. But I would prefer if the old overweight GRRM could finish his damn series before he buys the farm. He's writing great fantasy but it's no like he's writing mind-bendingly great literature. Finish the fucking books already. | ||
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CynanMachae
Canada1459 Posts
On November 27 2010 13:26 Krigwin wrote: Okay, in the bottom 4 photos, in the second one from the left, that's Tyrion at the left, and from the moon-and-falcon shields I'm guessing this is the scene where Catelyn brings Tyrion to Lysa. So, is that Catelyn next to Tyrion and Bronn behind them? Ya it's Catelyn Tyrion and Bronn at the Eyrie :o | ||
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pred470r
Bulgaria3265 Posts
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Blobskillz
Germany548 Posts
On November 27 2010 16:03 cucumber wrote: I want to see this show. GRRM, however, annoys me. If he were young and not a fatass, I'd be cool. But I would prefer if the old overweight GRRM could finish his damn series before he buys the farm. He's writing great fantasy but it's no like he's writing mind-bendingly great literature. Finish the fucking books already. I think it's good that he takes his time to finish the books and doesnt churn out mediocre stuff every year. But I am kind of scared that, at this pace, he will die before finishing the books  | ||
Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On November 27 2010 19:48 Blobskillz wrote: I think it's good that he takes his time to finish the books and doesnt churn out mediocre stuff every year. But I am kind of scared that, at this pace, he will die before finishing the books That's not why the books are delayed. I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with GRRM's fear of churning out mediocre stuff. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On November 27 2010 13:21 Hot_Bid wrote: yeah its arya in that photo. they aged all the characters up, which makes sense because nobody wants to see these horrible things done to a 12yo or whatever, it makes sense since this show is going to be relatively mainstream and the US is quite squeamish about underage stuff i'd say sansa looks about 16ish in that pic, which is fine because i didn't really picture her as a 13yo or whatever when reading the books, as 12-13 in martin's universe (medieval times sort of) is essentially 17-18 now. That's disappointing. HBO used to be the channel that wasn't scared to make audiences flinch (ie. Oz). And one of SoI&F's defining characteristics was its ubiquitous use of rape, incest, and over the top blood baths. What's the point if they're going to water down the very things that make HBO and SoI&F interesting? I remember reading SoI&F for the first time and finding it highly amusing the way Daenerys and her brother got on, the fact she was a little girl getting humped by Drogo, and that rape was occurring all around her nearly 24/7. Not that I seek out those types of things, but GRRM had a charming way of depicting it without me actually caring about the victims. Probably because he kept them faceless victims and casual usage made me desensitized. Hmm... | ||
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Rejuvenation
Canada128 Posts
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Krigwin
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On November 28 2010 12:53 StorkHwaiting wrote: That's disappointing. HBO used to be the channel that wasn't scared to make audiences flinch (ie. Oz). And one of SoI&F's defining characteristics was its ubiquitous use of rape, incest, and over the top blood baths. What's the point if they're going to water down the very things that make HBO and SoI&F interesting? I remember reading SoI&F for the first time and finding it highly amusing the way Daenerys and her brother got on, the fact she was a little girl getting humped by Drogo, and that rape was occurring all around her nearly 24/7. Not that I seek out those types of things, but GRRM had a charming way of depicting it without me actually caring about the victims. Probably because he kept them faceless victims and casual usage made me desensitized. Hmm... Sorry, I don't think the world is ready for child rape on TV. The Daenerys/Drogo scenes just are a little too hardcore for television. Interestingly enough though, they'll probably show all the scenes where Arya kills someone in full detail, which I find much more disturbing than the rapes. That's a pretty interesting commentary on society there if it does happen. | ||
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eNbee
Belgium487 Posts
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On November 28 2010 13:35 eNbee wrote: Thanks to this thread for making me start reading the series <3<3<3 Lol wait for ADWD to come out, then start reading! You'll thank me later! T_T I been waiting YEARS for that damn thing to come out. | ||
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Blobskillz
Germany548 Posts
On November 28 2010 13:13 Krigwin wrote: Sorry, I don't think the world is ready for child rape on TV. The Daenerys/Drogo scenes just are a little too hardcore for television. Interestingly enough though, they'll probably show all the scenes where Arya kills someone in full detail, which I find much more disturbing than the rapes. That's a pretty interesting commentary on society there if it does happen. well maybe it was watered down in the german translation i read, bu it didnt really sound like rape to me with Drogo and Daenerys yeah well she might have been a bit young but as far as i remember he didnt really force her to anything? | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On November 29 2010 08:35 Hot_Bid wrote: Yeah theres plenty of rape in the series but none of it is really "on screen" (as in in the POVs), its almost always told through stories or second hand. From what I read, the Dany/Drogo scenes were consensual. There were those scenes after Drogo died though, where Daenerys was walking through the aftermath of battle and there was some woman being gang raped and then killed. Most of the time the rape seems to happen to bit characters, almost as if its part of the scenery. That's probably why the emotional reaction is muted. GRRM's world is decidedly grim though, much more so than typical fantasy, and I'd daresay borders on hyperbole compared to the actual medieval world, even as chaotic and brutal as it was. All in all, sounds like a match made in heaven for HBO and SoI&F. I'm sour as shit about how long ADWD has taken to come out, but this TV series should be great as long as it sticks to the heart of SoI&F and doesn't get too campy. | ||
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alpskomleko
Slovenia950 Posts
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Krigwin
1130 Posts
On November 29 2010 08:32 Blobskillz wrote: well maybe it was watered down in the german translation i read, bu it didnt really sound like rape to me with Drogo and Daenerys yeah well she might have been a bit young but as far as i remember he didnt really force her to anything? It's been a while and my memory of AGoT isn't that good, but I seem to recall that she was in severe pain during the nightly sex and was crying and so forth into the pillows. Plus the concept of consent becomes a little blurred when you're talking about an arranged marriage between a 13 (12? 14? how old was she when she got married?) year old girl with a very childish view of marriage and a 20? 25? 30? year old incredibly influential and physically intimidating man. He didn't "force" her per se or at least the book didn't say that he did, but how exactly was she going to refuse? Basically, it might or might not have been rape in that context, especially when so many other more brutal rapes were occurring, but by today's standards it would definitely be called rape. | ||
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Blobskillz
Germany548 Posts
On November 29 2010 09:50 alpskomleko wrote: In related news: HBO's filming in Malta destroys an ecosystem (or so they claim) - Times of Malta link stupid hippies | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On November 29 2010 09:54 Krigwin wrote: It's been a while and my memory of AGoT isn't that good, but I seem to recall that she was in severe pain during the nightly sex and was crying and so forth into the pillows. Plus the concept of consent becomes a little blurred when you're talking about an arranged marriage between a 13 (12? 14? how old was she when she got married?) year old girl with a very childish view of marriage and a 20? 25? 30? year old incredibly influential and physically intimidating man. He didn't "force" her per se or at least the book didn't say that he did, but how exactly was she going to refuse? Basically, it might or might not have been rape in that context, especially when so many other more brutal rapes were occurring, but by today's standards it would definitely be called rape. GRRM did say Drogo was skilled with his hands and quite loving though. Sounds rather romantic to me  . He probably had a similar body to Nada's too, what with all the horse riding and fighting! If you were a 12-13 year old girl would you turn down Nada's body? | ||
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CynanMachae
Canada1459 Posts
Clip preview, really nice, can't wait >< | ||
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
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