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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On July 02 2016 03:23 The_Red_Viper wrote: I really hope we get a Rhaegar scene next season, no idea who would be a good cast but the show really needs this. I would be really disappointed if we don't get Harrenhal tourney scenes. It would make so much sense to indroduce Rhaegar there and explain his relationship with Lyanna. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14896 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9391 Posts
On July 02 2016 22:24 Roggay wrote: I would be really disappointed if we don't get Harrenhal tourney scenes. It would make so much sense to indroduce Rhaegar there and explain his relationship with Lyanna. Would have made more sense to introduce it in S6. Since they didn't do that I don't think we will see him at all. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On July 03 2016 01:28 Hider wrote: Would have made more sense to introduce it in S6. Since they didn't do that I don't think we will see him at all. Yeah that is a fair point. The problem i see with this is that show only watchers don't really give a damn about R+L=J though, why would they? | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13974 Posts
On July 03 2016 07:27 The_Red_Viper wrote: Yeah that is a fair point. The problem i see with this is that show only watchers don't really give a damn about R+L=J though, why would they? Jon is a fan favorite. R + L = J makes him an Iron Throne contender. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
Yeah, I can imagine that watching it as a standalone movie would be just a sequence of weird stuff happening, not very different from your average random piece of art. But after 6 years of buildup of a world that somehow makes sense, Cersei nuking the shit out of the whole religion - and house Tyrell in the process ... The other storylines are fine and also got to somewhat high points (with the exception of the pointless bit about the library and the Lyanna thing), but Cersei is now several levels above the rest of the show. Btw: the moment with Unella and Mountain? Do people still protest seeing yet another rape on screen, or did they just accept it? The Lyanna thing I think is anyhow pretty weak. There is stuff happening that doesn't really make all too much senses within the show. And I still don't understand how all if this Rheagar talk is not bannable in this thread. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On July 03 2016 15:22 opisska wrote: The last episode was the greatest moment in television history. ... calm down... I wouldn't even call this the greatest episode/moment in the show. I'd take Hardholme/Red Wedding/Viper vs Mountain over a bunch of key characters dying off-screen in a cgi explosion. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On July 03 2016 15:47 Scarecrow wrote: ... calm down... I wouldn't even call this the greatest episode/moment in the show. I'd take Hardholme/Red Wedding/Viper vs Mountain over a bunch of key characters dying off-screen in a cgi explosion. Why are people so stoked about hardhome? Do you really watch GoT to see large CGI battles? I sure as hell don't and consider it pretty boring. The genius of the last episode was exactly that profound things happened in mere seconds of film. Viper vs. Mountain was just a comical sideshow (even though it somehow advanced the plot to this very point we are now). The only thing comparable to this was really the Red Wedding, which however I thing is only seen to be better because it was first. I just can't remember the last time I was so excited watching anything on a screen. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13974 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On July 03 2016 15:56 opisska wrote: Why are people so stoked about hardhome? Do you really watch GoT to see large CGI battles? I sure as hell don't and consider it pretty boring. The genius of the last episode was exactly that profound things happened in mere seconds of film. Viper vs. Mountain was just a comical sideshow (even though it somehow advanced the plot to this very point we are now). The only thing comparable to this was really the Red Wedding, which however I thing is only seen to be better because it was first. I just can't remember the last time I was so excited watching anything on a screen. Completely disagree. I found it kinda boring by comparison cause they'd foreshadowed it through Bran (stockpiles of wildfire under the major parts of the city) and the little birds finding 'something' significant that could bail Cersei out. Thus there was very little tension before and during the actual ep, just a sense of the inevitable. I wouldn't call blowing a lot of characters up at once 'genius', it felt kind of lazy/empty to me and it lacked the visceral horror and shock of the red wedding where we lost central characters in a gritty fashion with some incredible acting from the mother. This last ep we just saw some widening eyes in the sept then whoosh green shit everywhere... You also have a REALLY dark sense of what is comical. The viper fight was tense, I really wanted him to win, for Tyrion's life, to spite Cersei/Tywin and for his own revenge on someone who raped and killed his sister... There was so much at stake. Then relief then absolute shock, horror and excruciating injustice. Nothing was shocking about Cersei's plot. There was no twist. They telegraphed it before and during the episode. What was at stake in the sept trial? Loras' forehead? Cersei's uncle? Commoners? Does anyone care? Margaery was the only one anyone gave a shit about in the sept (still doesn't compare to most of the other major deaths) and instantly vaporizing her off-screen really undermined its impact for me. | ||
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On July 03 2016 16:51 Cricketer12 wrote: How is Lyanna not a big deal? That was the climax of the episode. HBO has now made it clear Jon Snow is not in fact Ned's bastard but a conteder for the iron throne. Is that really important tho? They have no proof that he is indeed a Targaryen. And even if they did, Jon is a bastard from the non ruling family, he has no more claim to the throne than Gendry (who we haven't seen for 3 seasons for some reason). I think the impact of his ascendance will most likely play out in another way, either through a "special power" or through bounding with Daenerys by virtue of being family. | ||
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B.I.G.
3251 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23268 Posts
On July 03 2016 17:44 Diavlo wrote: Is that really important tho? They have no proof that he is indeed a Targaryen. And even if they did, Jon is a bastard from the non ruling family, he has no more claim to the throne than Gendry (who we haven't seen for 3 seasons for some reason). I think the impact of his ascendance will most likely play out in another way, either through a "special power" or through bounding with Daenerys by virtue of being family. Has anyone tried to set Jon on fire? Also anyone else get a weird feeling the High Sparrow may come back in some way being all faithful and such? | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On July 03 2016 17:20 Scarecrow wrote: Completely disagree. I found it kinda boring by comparison cause they'd foreshadowed it through Bran (stockpiles of wildfire under the major parts of the city) and the little birds finding 'something' significant that could bail Cersei out. Thus there was very little tension before and during the actual ep, just a sense of the inevitable. I wouldn't call blowing a lot of characters up at once 'genius', it felt kind of lazy/empty to me and it lacked the visceral horror and shock of the red wedding where we lost central characters in a gritty fashion with some incredible acting from the mother. This last ep we just saw some widening eyes in the sept then whoosh green shit everywhere... You also have a REALLY dark sense of what is comical. The viper fight was tense, I really wanted him to win, for Tyrion's life, to spite Cersei/Tywin and for his own revenge on someone who raped and killed his sister... There was so much at stake. Then relief then absolute shock, horror and excruciating injustice. Nothing was shocking about Cersei's plot. There was no twist. They telegraphed it before and during the episode. What was at stake in the sept trial? Loras' forehead? Cersei's uncle? Commoners? Does anyone care? Margaery was the only one anyone gave a shit about in the sept (still doesn't compare to most of the other major deaths) and instantly vaporizing her off-screen really undermined its impact for me. Sou you would consider things happening randomly out of the blue to be the best storytelling? The whole foreshadowing was the very point why it was so good. The build up was obvious, but to what? Is Cersei going to just kill hundreds of people for her own benefit? The whole thing where you see what's going to happen but just sit there in disbelief was brilliantly executed. What was at stake? How would you guess the trial with Cersei is gonna end? The whole kingdom was headed into a theocracy. She wiped a major force in the kingdom, to the ground while basically removing the Tyrell house from existence. And if you want shock value, you have the king jumping out of the window ... The Red Wedding was also cool, I give you that, but it was a completely out-of-the-blue moment, shock was a big part of its value. It also didn't actually have that much of an impact on the Iron Throne. Still, I enjoyed it. The Viper fight on the other hand, the Viper guy felt being introduced for the sole purpose of this fight. Honestly, Tyrion killing his father was a much stronger pinnacle of that storyline than two blokes wrestling. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On July 03 2016 19:04 opisska wrote: Sou you would consider things happening randomly out of the blue to be the best storytelling? The whole foreshadowing was the very point why it was so good. The build up was obvious, but to what? Is Cersei going to just kill hundreds of people for her own benefit? The whole thing where you see what's going to happen but just sit there in disbelief was brilliantly executed. We just saw it in two very different ways. I find the best storytelling goes in unexpected directions that still make sense in terms of character and narrative. If it's out of the blue but you realize it makes perfect sense in hindsight, is top storytelling for me. It wasn't even subtle foreshadowing, they literally told us about the wildfire under the major buildings and I would've been in utter disbelief if Cersei hadn't used it for moral reasons. It's like I knew Cersei had a magic bullet before the episode and I spent the first half waiting for her to use it. There wasn't much suspense because I felt her character would have 0 hesitation in killing however many it took to avenge the walk of shame and 'win' after being forced into a corner. You obviously had a little more faith in Cersei's humanity than I. To be honest my favorite parts of the episode was the Melisandre confrontation as well as the Mormont girl's speech and the oathtaking. | ||
zatic
Zurich15345 Posts
Jon burned his hand in S1 fighting off the wight in the Lord Commander's chamber. | ||
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haitike
Spain2714 Posts
Targaryans are not inmune to fire. It is a Daenerys special thing. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On July 03 2016 19:36 Scarecrow wrote: We just saw it in two very different ways. I find the best storytelling goes in unexpected directions that still make sense in terms of character and narrative. If it's out of the blue but you realize it makes perfect sense in hindsight, is top storytelling for me. It wasn't even subtle foreshadowing, they literally told us about the wildfire under the major buildings and I would've been in utter disbelief if Cersei hadn't used it for moral reasons. It's like I knew Cersei had a magic bullet before the episode and I spent the first half waiting for her to use it. There wasn't much suspense because I felt her character would have 0 hesitation in killing however many it took to avenge the walk of shame and 'win' after being forced into a corner. You obviously had a little more faith in Cersei's humanity than I. To be honest my favorite parts of the episode was the Melisandre confrontation as well as the Mormont girl's speech and the oathtaking. You know what? Isn't that an amazing show when two people love it even when they totally can't agree on what is good about it? edit: about the Melissandre thing - how the hell was the burning of Shireen not talked about by literarly everyone? How did Davos learn about it so late? | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
On July 03 2016 17:58 B.I.G. wrote: Sometimes someone tells me their theory or idea about GoT that is completely obvious yet completely missed by me and I can't help but think duhh you idiot. Like how I heard this explanation of how Dany is essentially a stereotypical villain if you look at it. She intends to rule through fire and sword, opposed to Jon who actually only fights if there is no other choice. The final showdown will probably be Jon vs Dany, not the war for Dawn.. I think its gona be more like Jon into Dany rather than Jon vs Dany. | ||
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B.I.G.
3251 Posts
On July 03 2016 22:43 Skynx wrote: I think its gona be more like Jon into Dany rather than Jon vs Dany. If by that you mean a Jon marries Dany and all is well ending than you haven't been paying attention  . | ||
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