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On July 01 2016 12:29 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2016 12:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:
So you aren't going to explain to me how your theory works, ok didn't expect it because it makes no sense to begin with. Bro, your some stranger on the internet who feelings are hurt by some comment I made about the negative tone of the thread. I don't really care what you think or to debate with your about critique.
Then maybe you shouldn't be on a discussion forum if you aren't interested in discussing your believes as soon as they are attacked by a "stranger on the internet".
This isn't about feelings, this is about coherent reasonings. If anything your theory on why people criticize the show are entirely based on your feelings.
But yeah sure, dismissing everything you don't agree with as baseless hate is the "easy, lazy and safe way" Actually engaging it? Nah why would you do that on a discussion forum.
But yeah whatever, let's just keep labeling each other as haters and fanboys, that's more interesting.
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On July 01 2016 12:36 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2016 12:29 Plansix wrote:On July 01 2016 12:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:
So you aren't going to explain to me how your theory works, ok didn't expect it because it makes no sense to begin with. Bro, your some stranger on the internet who feelings are hurt by some comment I made about the negative tone of the thread. I don't really care what you think or to debate with your about critique. Then maybe you shouldn't be on a discussion forum if you aren't interested in discussing your believes as soon as they are attacked by a "stranger on the internet". This isn't about feelings, this is about coherent reasonings. If anything your theory on why people criticize the show are entirely based on your feelings. But yeah sure, dismissing everything you don't agree with as baseless hate is the "easy, lazy and safe way" Actually engaging it? Nah why would you do that on a discussion forum. But yeah whatever, let's just keep labeling each other as haters and fanboys, that's more interesting.
We have had this discussion and we don't agree. You keep engaging me when your feelings get hurt, or whatever your problem is. Just learn to ignore, since I didn't response to anything you wrote.
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"Fight fight fight kiss kiss"
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On July 01 2016 09:30 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2016 06:46 Plansix wrote:
They seem to have a lot of dramatic directing experience, but I don't see anyone that is handling set piece battles or tons of special effects. I bet the season will be some solid politics with Dany arriving, but not as bombastic at this season.
Saving the bombastic directors for the final episodes. And wait what, where are people even getting the idea that these are not good directors? These guys have done wonderful stuff on GoT, and also on other shows. Sure, they weren't given a gigantic scene, but looking at the list of episodes that they've directed, it's nothing short of impressive (also, don't confuse directing vs lots of stuff happening).
The 4 episodes Mark Mylod did were bad and got tons of criticism.
I'm also disappointed by Sapochnik not being on the list, but he has bigger projects to attend apparently.
Didn't say anything bad about the 3 others.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/4o0855/everything_why_a_recent_plotline_is_stupid_wounds/
An incredibly detailed look at why the Arya storyline in episode 7 and 8 sucked balls.
Besides that I felt the writing was noticeably missing its usual flair (fantastic lines) this season as they run out of source material. Sure they're progressing the plot, fairly predictably, towards an intended goal, but the conversations on the way there are getting increasingly bland. Tyrion's character fell off a cliff in terms of quality dialogue this season.
I still love the show, its characters and the battle scenes. I just wish Martin could've written faster so we wouldnt have to put up with the show-writers' attempts at fan-fiction.
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On July 01 2016 12:41 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2016 12:36 The_Red_Viper wrote:On July 01 2016 12:29 Plansix wrote:On July 01 2016 12:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:
So you aren't going to explain to me how your theory works, ok didn't expect it because it makes no sense to begin with. Bro, your some stranger on the internet who feelings are hurt by some comment I made about the negative tone of the thread. I don't really care what you think or to debate with your about critique. Then maybe you shouldn't be on a discussion forum if you aren't interested in discussing your believes as soon as they are attacked by a "stranger on the internet". This isn't about feelings, this is about coherent reasonings. If anything your theory on why people criticize the show are entirely based on your feelings. But yeah sure, dismissing everything you don't agree with as baseless hate is the "easy, lazy and safe way" Actually engaging it? Nah why would you do that on a discussion forum. But yeah whatever, let's just keep labeling each other as haters and fanboys, that's more interesting. We have had this discussion and we don't agree. You keep engaging me when your feelings get hurt, or whatever your problem is. Just learn to ignore, since I didn't response to anything you wrote.
You realize it's a GoT thread right ? So now you two must be naked and then you duel by combat. No champs allowed. And no girls/boys for the looser
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On July 01 2016 18:07 Scarecrow wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/4o0855/everything_why_a_recent_plotline_is_stupid_wounds/An incredibly detailed look at why the Arya storyline in episode 7 and 8 sucked balls. Besides that I felt the writing was noticeably missing its usual flair (fantastic lines) this season as they run out of source material. Sure they're progressing the plot, fairly predictably, towards an intended goal, but the conversations on the way there are getting increasingly bland. Tyrion's character fell off a cliff in terms of quality dialogue this season. I still love the show, its characters and the battle scenes. I just wish Martin could've written faster so we wouldnt have to put up with the show-writers' attempts at fan-fiction.
That link is one of the dumbest thing I've seen in a while. Detailed medical analysis with all scientific knowledge available of a fantasy show.
People need to get a life and start making the difference between real life and fiction. A good fiction is not a completely scientifically plausible storyline with no plot holes. It's a story that keeps tension, has interesting psychological developments, and is generally compelling, moving and/or entertaining. Period. If you want real life and perfect plausibility, don't read fiction, read newspapers.
I mean, in Hamlet, Shakespeare refers Hamlet to be both 20 and 30 years old. "Bad writing, sucks ball, etc etc etc...", right? Well it's still the best play ever written.
I think Arya plot line was more than fine. Maybe it would have been good to know how many time passed between the scene, as it would have explained if and how much she had healed, and I also wished they had spent a bit more time explaining us the motivation of the faceless men. Feel they over extended that part of her arch.
As for what bacteria she should have died from when she fell in the river, I don't think it's interesting at all.
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On July 01 2016 21:11 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2016 18:07 Scarecrow wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/4o0855/everything_why_a_recent_plotline_is_stupid_wounds/An incredibly detailed look at why the Arya storyline in episode 7 and 8 sucked balls. Besides that I felt the writing was noticeably missing its usual flair (fantastic lines) this season as they run out of source material. Sure they're progressing the plot, fairly predictably, towards an intended goal, but the conversations on the way there are getting increasingly bland. Tyrion's character fell off a cliff in terms of quality dialogue this season. I still love the show, its characters and the battle scenes. I just wish Martin could've written faster so we wouldnt have to put up with the show-writers' attempts at fan-fiction. That link is one of the dumbest thing I've seen in a while. Detailed medical analysis with all scientific knowledge available of a fantasy show. People need to get a life and start making the difference between real life and fiction. A good fiction is not a completely scientifically plausible storyline with no plot holes. It's a story that keeps tension, has interesting psychological developments, and is generally compelling, moving and/or entertaining. Period. If you want real life and perfect plausibility, don't read fiction, read newspapers. I mean, in Hamlet, Shakespeare refers Hamlet to be both 20 and 30 years old. "Bad writing, sucks ball, etc etc etc...", right? Well it's still the best play ever written. I think Arya plot line was more than fine. Maybe it would have been good to know how many time passed between the scene, as it would have explained if and how much she had healed, and I also wished they had spent a bit more time explaining us the motivation of the faceless men. Feel they over extended that part of her arch. As for what bacteria she should have died from when she fell in the river, I don't think it's interesting at all.
Both her, Dany and Tyrion’s plotlines might have been better served with more focused episodes like the battle of the bastards. The format of the season might be my biggest criticism, since the plot lines have become so dispersed at this point in the story. I think all of the plots would have been served better with more focused episodes. But I don’t know of that will be as big of a problem if I was watching the entire season in one go.
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Arya surviving the stab wounds is no less believable than Bran surviving the Winterfell tower fall or The Hound surviving the fight with Brienne. I know its been stated that GoT doesnt use plot armor for their main characters, but there's plenty of instances where that is simply not true. Well at least these kind of complaints about the show arent nearly as annoying as the teleportation stuff.
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On July 01 2016 22:18 FreakyDroid wrote:
Arya surviving the stab wounds is no less believable than Bran surviving the Winterfell tower fall or The Hound surviving the fight with Brienne. I know its been stated that GoT doesnt use plot armor for their main characters, but there's plenty of instances where that is simply not true. Well at least these kind of complaints about the show arent nearly as annoying as the teleportation stuff.
I don't know... Bran's fall took months and months to heal AND he was paralyzed from it. Seems reasonable. (I was just reading a random Reddit story where someone talked about surviving a 30foot fall with the only effect being 'sore')
The Hound... maybe. But none of the wounds were to his core if I'm remembering correctly and the severity of his condition seems mostly related to being in the middle of nowhere.
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I don't know... Bran's fall took months and months to heal AND he was paralyzed from it. Seems reasonable. (I was just reading a random Reddit story where someone talked about surviving a 30foot fall with the only effect being 'sore')
Yeh brans survival seems like a 1/100 miracle, and those things (while unlikely) can happen.
Whereas with Arya, it defies the law of physics (or w/e the right term is). But mostly the issue with her storyline was that it seemed pointless and had a forced and unbelieveable cliffhanger.
Anyway, it seems that they finally got rid of all of the "filler sidestories" and tied it all together going into the next 2 seasons. So I think the future writing will be much better as they don't need to force the drama/action but instead all of the tensions should feel believeable.
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On July 01 2016 22:18 FreakyDroid wrote:
Arya surviving the stab wounds is no less believable than Bran surviving the Winterfell tower fall or The Hound surviving the fight with Brienne. I know its been stated that GoT doesnt use plot armor for their main characters, but there's plenty of instances where that is simply not true. Well at least these kind of complaints about the show arent nearly as annoying as the teleportation stuff.
At least the other guys didn't go full crossfit/parcour/assassin when wounded...
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The point is, all of these cases of survival are extreme and highly unlikely in a real world scenario. The 30 feet fall as an example works both ways, one guy had sore muscles, but 9 out of 10 people falling from the same height will die from it. Basically that example provides an exception to the rule and the same can be applied to Arya. So if a 10 year old boy can survive a 30 feet fall, why 1 girl cant survive 2 stab wounds in the lower abdomen?
Sometimes we see people die from just 1 stab anywhere in the body, but sometimes a guy can take over 5 stabs in the chest and still stand on his feet for a period of time (like Jon's murder for instance). Im just splitting hairs at this point, as is that reddit thread and people arguing about the plausibility of her survival in a fantasy show. Its always nice to have internal consistency and some things to be grounded in reality, but as is with everything, people draw their own lines between whats real and what isnt, especially when it comes to extreme cases.
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So if a 10 year old boy can survive a 30 feet fall, why 1 girl cant survive 2 stab wounds in the lower abdomen?
Well your comparing apples to oranges. Apples to apples would imply that Bran should be able walk around right after he fell.
Further, we have other cases of people being knifed, and in all of those situations it has had severe implications.
As an example, look at the last episode where Lancel was stabbed by a child once and couldn't walk at all.
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On July 01 2016 23:42 FreakyDroid wrote:
The point is, all of these cases of survival are extreme and highly unlikely in a real world scenario. The 30 feet fall as an example works both ways, one guy had sore muscles, but 9 out of 10 people falling from the same height will die from it. Basically that example provides an exception to the rule and the same can be applied to Arya. So if a 10 year old boy can survive a 30 feet fall, why 1 girl cant survive 2 stab wounds in the lower abdomen?
Sometimes we see people die from just 1 stab anywhere in the body, but sometimes a guy can take over 5 stabs in the chest and still stand on his feet for a period of time (like Jon's murder for instance). Im just splitting hairs at this point, as is that reddit thread and people arguing about the plausibility of her survival in a fantasy show. Its always nice to have internal consistency and some things to be grounded in reality, but as is with everything, people draw their own lines between whats real and what isnt, especially when it comes to extreme cases.
I am sure people wouldn't be nearly as 'pissed' about that if Arya didn't go to the actress who 'healed' her with a patch and a soup, then went on to do a wild chase through the city where her wounds apparently are pretty bad again. She then kills a trained assassin, somehow sneaks into the temple of black and white without anyone noticing and her injury isn't brought up anymore.
The whole chain of events was poorly handled and isn't really comparable to either Bran or the Hound (this one is more arguable)
I think that is the main problem, don't put her into the situation if it is ONLY used to create false tension, it didn't have any real consequence for Arya though, this is pretty much the definition of plot armor (because it is that noticeable)
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On July 01 2016 23:42 FreakyDroid wrote:
The point is, all of these cases of survival are extreme and highly unlikely in a real world scenario. The 30 feet fall as an example works both ways, one guy had sore muscles, but 9 out of 10 people falling from the same height will die from it. Basically that example provides an exception to the rule and the same can be applied to Arya. So if a 10 year old boy can survive a 30 feet fall, why 1 girl cant survive 2 stab wounds in the lower abdomen?
Sometimes we see people die from just 1 stab anywhere in the body, but sometimes a guy can take over 5 stabs in the chest and still stand on his feet for a period of time (like Jon's murder for instance). Im just splitting hairs at this point, as is that reddit thread and people arguing about the plausibility of her survival in a fantasy show. Its always nice to have internal consistency and some things to be grounded in reality, but as is with everything, people draw their own lines between whats real and what isnt, especially when it comes to extreme cases.
Because she didn't just survive, she then ran and jumped into a dirty river with open wounds to her abdomen (which would spell death in many scenarios even today) and then the next day or so was running at full tilt and jumping over walls with no more than some bandages and drugs in her. That's freaking unrealistic in many ways.
Every other wound on the show took a predictable amount of time to heal. Heck, we didn't see the Hound for 2 seasons after his fight, and Bran was unconscious for the whole of S1. Jamie's stump was still raw and painful for many episodes after it got cut off, and that was a relatively clean cut to a non-vital area and had some relatively professional treatment shortly after.
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The biggest problem with Arya's storyline is how many times they had that theater scene. Once was enough to get the message across. The rest were just filler. Same with Tyrion's scenes making small talk with two socially awkward people.
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also dany should been super dead last season by the harpies in the arena plot armor is super strong these last seasons in got
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