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crms
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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BlackCompany
Germany8388 Posts
Granted most of Ramsays army was made like this so the epic battle shots could happen but still :p | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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zeratul_jf
United States808 Posts
On June 21 2016 08:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Why didn't someone cut down a tree or large branch for Wun Wun to clear large swathes of troops? This is what i wondered all the time while watching this episode. Where is his giant weapon or SOMETHING!!! he alone can take down like 100 ppl | ||
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Hider
Denmark9422 Posts
John's errors in this battle don't even register on the stupid scale of things actual rulers, law makers, commanders, generals, and military men past and present have done in real life! Well his erorr is attacking in the first place. I don't understand why noone is talking about that because there was no logical reason for attacking the Boltons in the first place (besides renvege). | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
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On June 21 2016 09:14 Hider wrote: Well his erorr is attacking in the first place. I don't understand why noone is talking about that because there was no logical reason for attacking the Boltons in the first place (besides renvege). While i somewhat agree with this, Rickon was a captive and Jon still knows of the real threat in the north (ww) So if he ever wants to take back Winterfell and his brother it has to be rather soon. You could argue that fighting against the boltons was a mistake to begin with if you need to fight the ww though and i can see that, but at the same time he needs some form of position of power to actually do anything against the ww as well. Sansa not telling Jon though, no idea really. Obviously she couldn't know that the army would come at all, but still... | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On June 21 2016 09:21 The_Red_Viper wrote: While i somewhat agree with this, Rickon was a captive and Jon still knows of the real threat in the north (ww) So if he ever wants to take back Winterfell and his brother it has to be rather soon. You could argue that fighting against the boltons was a mistake to begin with if you need to fight the ww though and i can see that, but at the same time he needs some form of position of power to actually do anything against the ww as well. Sansa not telling Jon though, no idea really. Obviously she couldn't know that the army would come at all, but still... I think the implication is that as long as the Boltons rule the north Jon's ability to recruit people for the fight against the WWs are very limited. He'd have to sell out his sister to not be a wanted man and then on top of that deal with Ramsy in trying to get forces and without being in charge the north would be more willing to rally against the wildlings. Basically with the Boltons around the only forces there to resist the WW would be the ones Jon already had. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 21 2016 09:21 The_Red_Viper wrote: While i somewhat agree with this, Rickon was a captive and Jon still knows of the real threat in the north (ww) So if he ever wants to take back Winterfell and his brother it has to be rather soon. You could argue that fighting against the boltons was a mistake to begin with if you need to fight the ww though and i can see that, but at the same time he needs some form of position of power to actually do anything against the ww as well. Sansa not telling Jon though, no idea really. Obviously she couldn't know that the army would come at all, but still... With Sansa, it could just be that she isn't comfortable trusting anyone fully. Even Jon. Trauma does that to people. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On June 21 2016 09:45 Plansix wrote: With Sansa, it could just be that she isn't comfortable trusting anyone fully. Even Jon. Trauma does that to people. I don't see how that is a good explanation. While it might be true that she doesn't trust him fully, not telling him about the vale army only means that it's less likely to win the battle. A battle which is also pretty important for her you would imagine. I hope they bring this up in the next episode/season | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 21 2016 10:02 The_Red_Viper wrote: I don't see how that is a good explanation. While it might be true that she doesn't trust him fully, not telling him about the vale army only means that it's less likely to win the battle. A battle which is also pretty important for her you would imagine. I hope they bring this up in the next episode/season Emotions are not rational actors. She wasn't sure the Vale would come. She wasn't sure Jon would want their help. She wasn't sure that she wanted their help. She didn't want to get her hopes up. | ||
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The_Masked_Shrimp
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Aside from the giant using no weapon for no reason, didn't he watch sauron and his huge mace in lord of the rings? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23642 Posts
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
She already asked Jon to wait , Jon would not wait. No use telling Jon that she might be able to get more men, especially considering how adament Jon was to fight sooner rather than later. | ||
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virpi
Germany3599 Posts
Next season Arya will play a huge role, I think. She has been running for a long time, now she's finally coming back to Westeros, even though the whole sub plot was kind of dumb. She'll kill someone important. And then Dany moves in and nukes everyone, while the walkers overrun the North. The next season will be dark and full of terrors. | ||
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B.I.G.
3251 Posts
D&D on the other hand seem to have decided that in order to end the series in 2 (now just 1?) seasons they decided on a few epic scenes and how they wanted these scenes to take place. They wrote the characters plot lines to lead up to those desired scenes. Example: Sansa not mentioning Lil' Fingers army to Jon & co makes very little sense, unless you as a writer want Battle of the Bastards to have this completely hopeless uphill battle vibe with a last minute rescue ending. Arya vs the Waif has some similar logic in my opinion. Doesn't mean it's necessarily bad though, although some characters kinda suffer from this approach I think that some, like Jamie, are still very much in line with what I feel makes sense for them. I also think that this is the way they have to approach it to wrap up all these plotlines. I thought the Westeros part of this episode was absolutely fantastic though. Like someone else mentioned I genuinely felt Jon (as well as Tormund and Davos) could die at any given time. Breaking through the gates of Winterfel and Jon turning Ramsey's face into a pudding was so satisfying. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
However, if she did get a response and knew they were coming, silly not to tell Jon. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On June 21 2016 09:14 Hider wrote: Well his erorr is attacking in the first place. I don't understand why noone is talking about that because there was no logical reason for attacking the Boltons in the first place (besides renvege). Did you miss Ramsay's letter? Fighting was pretty much the only decent option. | ||
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