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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On June 21 2016 03:37 KwarK wrote: On the one hand I'm happy that there is no Dorne this season because that was a clusterfuck but on the other, shouldn't people have noticed that there was a coup and now Dorne is trying to take over the 7 kingdoms after killing the younger sister of the king? It's like a burning building. Sure you'd rather people didn't set the building on fire while you're all still inside but given that the building has been set of fire at the very least they should notice. I took killing Myrcella to be simple revenge rather than any sort of political play at the Seven Kingdoms. The Lannisters took Elia and Oberyn from her, so she will take Myrcella from them. | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Anyone? Ramsay got what he deserved oh so well, but i think my wife now has a fear of dogs. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On June 21 2016 02:59 Plansix wrote: GH, I am with you. If that is how GRRM wants the series to end, I will laugh all the way into the night. And he would do it too, because that man does not care. And I thought it was more because nerd tears are his sustenance. This is GRRM we are talking about. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 21 2016 04:35 andrewlt wrote: And I thought it was more because nerd tears are his sustenance. This is GRRM we are talking about. Exactly. Which is why he would do it. The story has always been anti war, anti feudalism. It points out the flaws with the system, much like the War of the Roses it is based on showed the weakness of hieratical power structures. Taking all these cool, loved warrior/generals and pointing out “all these people would be shit rulers, look at these much more reasonable ladies” would be the exact thing he would do to drink up the nerd tears. Also Jon Snow is the classic reluctant leader character, who doesn’t seek power. While Dany seeks power, but relies on power that is not reliable(aka dragons, or the nukes of the GoT world). If the world is to obtain stability again, there is going to need to be a change in the way power transferred, which is likely what the next season will focus on. Along with fighting zombies. But if this is anything like the war of the Roses, by the time Dany gets to the main land to take over, everyone will be so war weary they will just give it to her. Because she offers what everyone craves, stability and the end of war. And a way to stop the White Walkers. | ||
yamato77
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I do agree that by the time Dany arrives, it's likely that no one will want to fight her. I also think that King's Landing is going to explode, and that the overall victory is going to feel hollow. She will be the ruler of a broken land. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 21 2016 05:24 yamato77 wrote: The direction for John is pretty clear now, he's got to prepare for the White Walkers. That means convincing everyone there that they need to band together and combat the army of undead that will inevitably descend upon Westeros. I don't think his credibility is any different now, he's never been seen as the master tactician. I do agree that by the time Dany arrives, it's likely that no one will want to fight her. I also think that King's Landing is going to explode, and that the overall victory is going to feel hollow. She will be the ruler of a broken land. I have high hopes that the Wall falls at the end of the season and Dany sets out for the A-plot at the end. Then we can fast forward a bit between seasons and she can arrive when Westeros in full panic mode as the white walkers siege the north. Of course, that might not happen. But I really hope it does because it would speed things up so much. I don’t want another season preparing for the Walkers. They need to arrive already. | ||
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VHbb
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It's a mistake, I don't disagree, but for me it didn't feel so out of character considering Jon's development over the season. Not all characters have to be strategical mastermind in order to be appreciated (this for me holds for Sansa as well: she has no military competence and what she does -not telling anybody about Little Finger's army- is probably a mistake, but it doesn't seems so strange given her character) A part from this I really really liked the battle scenes during the fight, they really portrayed the chaos of the battle, with horses charging and Jon under a pile of bodies  | ||
zatic
Zurich15365 Posts
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
still worst led armies ever, well maybe except for the slavers army that just ends up reinforcing their enemy, good job on that one. | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 20 2016 16:30 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Ramsay "MarineKing" Bolton had tactics and army control out ass, he just needed to learn to scout better. Ramsay is a shit tactician who'd have lost his entire army to an army half the size if Jon had bothered to hide Wun-Wun and 20 disciplined soldiers to break the encirclement when it happened. | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Actually the Sansa decision to not tell Jon about the Vale army makes complete sense if you assume she wanted to get both Jon and Rickon killed first as a power play. Or she's a moron. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 21 2016 05:51 LaNague wrote: it is plausible, he just has some kind of deathwish, or maybe had...they had the scene where he comes back from being trampled afterall. still worst led armies ever, well maybe except for the slavers army that just ends up reinforcing their enemy, good job on that one. If you watch the making of the scene, it is pretty clear that the chain of events and tactics uses were all due to the logistic of the shoot. The reasons the horses go in first is because they want them running across a mostly clear battle field right up until the point of impact. They can’t have them running across prop dead bodies. Having owned a couple horses in my youth, the logistics of those animals must be a nightmare to shoot. And the shot of Jon vs the charging line is crazy. You could never pay me to stand in front of 40 charging horses. I've had my ass knocked over by a standing horse. That was more than enough. | ||
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zatic
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On June 21 2016 06:03 stuchiu wrote: Shit I think Yuan Shao could conquer the entire Westeros world and he's a mediocre tactician at best. Actually the Sansa decision to not tell Jon about the Vale army makes complete sense if you assume she wanted to get both Jon and Rickon killed first as a power play. Or she's a moron. im going with the latter. i have a friend who insists its part of a genius move to prevent ramsay from manipulating jon or something, but im more in the "sansa is an idiot who got a bunch of ppl killed for no reason" camp. plus now jon (and by extension sansa) has minimal leverage because he has no army. i guess he (or rather sansa) does have winterfell though. weird. though maybe sansa fancies she can control littlefinger b/c she knows what happened to crazy lady. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 21 2016 06:42 LaNague wrote: the charge was definately a great shot, although i was a bit distracted by the horses dressage trot or whatever, but what can you do, cant have them charge for real :D I was near 10 or so galloping horses when I was a teen and it was so fucking loud I couldn’t believe it. A lot of that shot is the lens they use to make Kit seem a lot closer to the charge than he is, but fuck that must have been intimidating. Though my favorite part of the episode is when he swings at the guy running full tilt on the horse and just knocks him out the saddle. And all I can think is “now both your hands are broken because that horse was going 30 mph and you just hit the hood of a car from the 50s with a sharpened metal bar.” Ah the magic of TV. | ||
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United States7542 Posts
On June 21 2016 05:37 VHbb wrote: I don't get all the critics to Jon's behavior during the battle. Sure, it was not strategically optimal, it was not good at all, but from my point of view is not implausible. Jon seems much more "broken" after he came back from death than it was before (indeed he asks the red priestess not to resurrect him again), the way I saw the scene was: he see his little brother been shot 1 meter away from him, 1 second before saving him; at that point he doesn't care too much anymore and just charges, falling into Ramsay's trap. It's a mistake, I don't disagree, but for me it didn't feel so out of character considering Jon's development over the season. Not all characters have to be strategical mastermind in order to be appreciated (this for me holds for Sansa as well: she has no military competence and what she does -not telling anybody about Little Finger's army- is probably a mistake, but it doesn't seems so strange given her character) A part from this I really really liked the battle scenes during the fight, they really portrayed the chaos of the battle, with horses charging and Jon under a pile of bodies I guess I don't really think it's out of character for John, but I think it's a terrible direction to take John's character, or at least takes it there in the worst possible way. Mostly because I expect John is in short order going to be leading armies against the white walkers and will be hailed as a great hero. So it seems like his character is gearing up to do a complete 180 on his recent behavior. If we wanted John to not give a shit post-ressurection he should have just wandered off on his own or done something interesting in that vein so later when he's being all heroic it feels more consistent. If John doesn't end up being heroic/leading an army then this episode could work out, but all evidence points towards John playing a big part in the rest of the story. Plus if he's not being heroic we get brooding John which is somewhat unbearable in large doses. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22372 Posts
Everything he stands for has been betrayed and kicked down, he wants to die and get it all over with. All that stops him from just falling on his own sword is his sense of duty to Sansa, to his friends (davos, the wildlings) and to the entire world (white walkers) That is why he went to the red women before the battle, he hoped he would die in it so he would be at peace. He is either going to get himself killed like he is trying or something wakes him up and gives him a new drive worth living for. | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1961 Posts
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