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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
May 03 2016 08:59 GMT
#29341
On May 03 2016 17:42 shin_toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2016 17:31 Scorch wrote:
Let's say the Sparrows situation in King's Landing escalates and King Tommen dies. Who would succeed him? He's the last Baratheon and there is no obvious heir. His queen, Margaery? The Queen Mother, Cersei? His male next of kin, his "uncle" Jamie? Or since as a Kingsguard, Jamie forfeited his claims, would it be Tommen's second oldest uncle, Tyrion? Or with Tyrion being a convicted murderer, perhaps even Kevan Lannister?


Gendry aka the rightful heir, will comeback.

With Littlefinger manipulating the strings behind his back
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
May 03 2016 08:59 GMT
#29342
Lancel, Jaime, etc are all Lannister so they are out anyway.

With Stannis, his wife, and Shireen dead it looks like Tommen really is the last one left in the official Baratheon line of succession.
And with Margaery in church prison it'll be difficult to produce an heir any time soon.
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9331 Posts
May 03 2016 09:30 GMT
#29343
Theyre not out, they would be if Joffrey wasnt crowned.
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
May 03 2016 09:31 GMT
#29344
It's not like succession means much at this point. If Tommen dies just make Jaime king, and brutally repress the sparrow-led population.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4558 Posts
May 03 2016 09:38 GMT
#29345
Yeah, didn't Robert just take the throne by force? Or did he have a claim?

Pretty sure anyone could be king if they have an army.
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-03 09:53:08
May 03 2016 09:48 GMT
#29346
On May 03 2016 18:38 Laurens wrote:
Yeah, didn't Robert just take the throne by force? Or did he have a claim?

Pretty sure anyone could be king if they have an army.


Robert took the throne by force with the help of Eddard and Jon Arryn. Any of the three had a claim to the throne, but [...]

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Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
May 03 2016 11:02 GMT
#29347
I'm aware that the one with the most power will just take the throne by force. The question was who has the strongest legal claim with the most legitimacy? I can't imagine that according to the law, the official succession rule in case of no obvious heir is civil war.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7410 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-03 11:22:26
May 03 2016 11:12 GMT
#29348
On May 03 2016 20:02 Scorch wrote:
I'm aware that the one with the most power will just take the throne by force. The question was who has the strongest legal claim with the most legitimacy? I can't imagine that according to the law, the official succession rule in case of no obvious heir is civil war.



Since the whole Baratheon / Lannister clans has no "legal" claims,
There is your answer:


On May 03 2016 17:35 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Suddenly it was a great episode overall!

I already thought that Balon was dead, seems like Stannis told that to Davos long before? When Melisandre used her blood spell to cut our Joff/Rob/Balon. So it was a flashback, the reason of Balon's death was his younger bro Euron, or it was Melisandre?

+ Show Spoiler +
The usurper Robb Stark, the usurper Balon Greyjoy, the usurper Joffrey Baratheon
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Ramsay is now officially #1 hated person in whole TV series, Joff moves to #2. Everything he has done to lady Wolda Frey was horrible, she seems like was good person. And even tho Roose was a bit "evil traitor", he was smart ass and pretty intresting to follow, never made clueless moves.

Now I really feel sorry for Cersei, Jaime and Tommen, their family suffer a lot and feels like they are more victims, hope for some blood vengeance on weird fanatics and lord sparrow.

With Jon playing full Jesus and having such allies as Melisandre / Davos / Tormund with wildings and giant, with his direwolf, possibly Sansa / Brienne / Pod joins him - makes their side very OP by any possible means.

And yea, flashback was cool! Finally something interesting about Bran!

Can't wait for episode 3!


Blizz should really nerf Jon ^^

Now, if Jon would be to marry Dani that would be some power couple... and just right in time before Winter is coming.
Some final war scenes, lots of explosions and CGI -> The end
May they live happily ever after
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9331 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-03 11:21:56
May 03 2016 11:16 GMT
#29349
If Westeros was your average European kingdom from middle ages an election would be the most likely outcome. Whatever Lannister closest to Tommen would have an extremely weak claim even if the laws would allow that kind of succession.

Also I think it's a simplification to say that Robert took the throne by force. The rebellion's goal was to remove the mad king, not to put Robert on the throne. He was chosen to fill the vacuum, it's not like he subjugated Starks and his other allies. What I mean is that his coronation was more acceptable because the rebellion against Targaryens had a just cause (this is from some medieval philosopher but I can't remember which one).
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RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
May 03 2016 11:24 GMT
#29350
It's it a TV spoiler to say who Robert/Stannis/Renly's grandmother was?
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4558 Posts
May 03 2016 11:31 GMT
#29351
I don't even know who their parents are xD
Ofc that doesn't mean it hasn't aired in the show.
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-03 11:43:51
May 03 2016 11:40 GMT
#29352
On May 03 2016 20:24 RCMDVA wrote:
It's it a TV spoiler to say who Robert/Stannis/Renly's grandmother was?


You get it, the reason why Rob took a throne he had more claims after all

still hard to explain what exactly turns Snow back to life, suspecting Melisandre, Ghost and even Davos :/
In memory of Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson 11.09.1985 - 21.07.2019 A tribute to incredible man, embodiment of joy, esports titan, starcraft community pillar all in one. You will always be remembered!
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10958 Posts
May 03 2016 11:51 GMT
#29353
What? How is it hard to explain.
Melisandre did Magic.

Everything else, because there is 0 evidence for anything else, is just pointless speculation for speculations sake.
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
May 03 2016 12:03 GMT
#29354
On May 03 2016 04:07 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2016 04:01 Skynx wrote:
I dont see High Sparrow lasting more than 2 episodes btw.

Tommen is clearly going to get killed this season, and I don't see anyone else who would do the job, but maybe I am wrong. I think we will have a lot of Sparrow action. They might also fuck up the show entirely by having the sand snakes kill him. That would be bad..

That's my new head canon.

Plotlines all continue to plod on slowly, while the sand snakes traipse around westeros killing all the major characters one by one until they're the only ones left.
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-03 12:04:39
May 03 2016 12:04 GMT
#29355
On May 03 2016 20:51 Velr wrote:
What? How is it hard to explain.
Melisandre did Magic.

Everything else, because there is 0 evidence for anything else, is just pointless speculation for speculations sake.



She never did this before, she saw only once and was surprised, and when those happened, it was a few moments, but we had Jon sleeping and "waiting" till everybody goes out (or almost everybody) . I belive she knew what she could do and what she could not. At least she seems like did her best but wasn't looking like it had success, Davos was the last man leaving those room, Ghost simply left there on a floor.

Dunno, maybe am looking for something that does not even exist and everything has more simplier explanation.
In memory of Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson 11.09.1985 - 21.07.2019 A tribute to incredible man, embodiment of joy, esports titan, starcraft community pillar all in one. You will always be remembered!
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
May 03 2016 12:10 GMT
#29356
On May 03 2016 21:04 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2016 20:51 Velr wrote:
What? How is it hard to explain.
Melisandre did Magic.

Everything else, because there is 0 evidence for anything else, is just pointless speculation for speculations sake.

Dunno, maybe am looking for something that does not even exist and everything has more simplier explanation.

I was kind of thinking along those lines, but I think in the end it's just sub par execution by the film makers. I felt the resurrection was super forced, lacked any intensity, so I was thinking it was not really her that brought Jon back. But I worry it really is as simple as that, even though the show leaves enough ambiguity to wonder what really happened.
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9331 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-03 12:11:45
May 03 2016 12:11 GMT
#29357
On May 03 2016 21:03 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2016 04:07 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On May 03 2016 04:01 Skynx wrote:
I dont see High Sparrow lasting more than 2 episodes btw.

Tommen is clearly going to get killed this season, and I don't see anyone else who would do the job, but maybe I am wrong. I think we will have a lot of Sparrow action. They might also fuck up the show entirely by having the sand snakes kill him. That would be bad..

That's my new head canon.

Plotlines all continue to plod on slowly, while the sand snakes traipse around westeros killing all the major characters one by one until they're the only ones left.


Yeah and in the last scene, the last Sand Snake says "after all this time, I've finally won the Game of Thrones!". Then she grins, put her sunglasses on and flies on her dragon towards the sunset
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Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
May 03 2016 12:21 GMT
#29358
On May 03 2016 21:10 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2016 21:04 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
On May 03 2016 20:51 Velr wrote:
What? How is it hard to explain.
Melisandre did Magic.

Everything else, because there is 0 evidence for anything else, is just pointless speculation for speculations sake.

Dunno, maybe am looking for something that does not even exist and everything has more simplier explanation.

I was kind of thinking along those lines, but I think in the end it's just sub par execution by the film makers. I felt the resurrection was super forced, lacked any intensity, so I was thinking it was not really her that brought Jon back. But I worry it really is as simple as that, even though the show leaves enough ambiguity to wonder what really happened.


I get used to a thing that every action is connected somehow to others, there must be a reason, the same with necklace scene she took off at episode 1, hope there are interesting details to be revealed.
In memory of Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson 11.09.1985 - 21.07.2019 A tribute to incredible man, embodiment of joy, esports titan, starcraft community pillar all in one. You will always be remembered!
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18445 Posts
May 03 2016 12:24 GMT
#29359
On May 03 2016 21:03 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2016 04:07 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On May 03 2016 04:01 Skynx wrote:
I dont see High Sparrow lasting more than 2 episodes btw.

Tommen is clearly going to get killed this season, and I don't see anyone else who would do the job, but maybe I am wrong. I think we will have a lot of Sparrow action. They might also fuck up the show entirely by having the sand snakes kill him. That would be bad..

That's my new head canon.

Plotlines all continue to plod on slowly, while the sand snakes traipse around westeros killing all the major characters one by one until they're the only ones left.

No need to traipsing. They can teleporting. The only real challenge will be littlefinger, because he can teleporting too. Or *plot twist* he was behind it all!
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
May 03 2016 12:45 GMT
#29360
On May 03 2016 17:42 shin_toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2016 17:31 Scorch wrote:
Let's say the Sparrows situation in King's Landing escalates and King Tommen dies. Who would succeed him? He's the last Baratheon and there is no obvious heir. His queen, Margaery? The Queen Mother, Cersei? His male next of kin, his "uncle" Jamie? Or since as a Kingsguard, Jamie forfeited his claims, would it be Tommen's second oldest uncle, Tyrion? Or with Tyrion being a convicted murderer, perhaps even Kevan Lannister?


Gendry aka the rightful heir, will comeback.


Surely there are still plenty of Baratheons left? Distant relatives, cousins etc
Won't they come before a bastard born like Gendry in the line of succession?
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