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Argh the Dorne Plotline is so freakin terrible! They didn't even try to improve after all the criticism about it last season. You tell me this super smart and wise ruler king doesn't have a sworn kings guard who protect him? They were unhappy because he didn't go to war but instead tried have peace and prosperity? So unhappy all of them are ready for treason? What king would hire them again after this?
And what was that Sand Snake girl going to do with a whip inside a tight boat corridor? He could have stabbed her to death in a second, come on.
Lets juts hope Drogon is on vacation to Dorne to burn the entire country so we don't have to hear about this shit again lol
edit: I still enjoyed everything else though . But Dorne is a real thorn in my viewing experience as it breaks the immersion.
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On April 26 2016 00:50 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Argh the Dorne Plotline is so freakin terrible! They didn't even try to improve after all the criticism about it last season. You tell me this super smart and wise ruler king doesn't have a sworn kings guard who protect him? They were unhappy because he didn't go to war but instead tried have peace and prosperity? So unhappy all of them are ready for treason? What king would hire them again after this? And what was that Sand Snake girl going to do with a whip inside a tight boat corridor? He could have stabbed her to death in a second, come on. Lets juts hope Drogon is on vacation to Dorne to burn the entire country so we don't have to hear about this shit again lol edit: I still enjoyed everything else though  . But Dorne is a real thorn in my viewing experience as it breaks the immersion.
Lol, I agree with you, the reason why everybody in Dorne is unhappy is so stupid that even Homer Simpson would look like an intelligent man compared to this.
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btw did you guys play/watch the game of thrones telltale game? i played the first installment ages ago and found out the rest of the season is released, its awesome so go play through
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That was really disappointing.
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On April 25 2016 21:58 Gorsameth wrote: I wonder if the Mellisandra scene wasn't meant to show that she is losing her faith in the Lord of Light and with it the apparent long life he has given her. Stannis is dead and so is Jon even tho she said she saw him fighting at Winterfell in a vision, obviously no longer true.
She may be having a crisis of faith. Interesting. For me her saying that just confirmed Jon will be at that bolton v wildling battle from the trailer. Al least that's my interpretation.
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On April 25 2016 20:28 marttorn wrote: because we already know from the trailer that
Thanks for the spoilers.
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No idea how that sand thing scenes (yes I call it that because that is how dumb it is) made it to the final show. The dialogue is so bad. The scenes are bad. The acting is extremely bad. And in this episode, her standing there with a whip, like a derp close quaters, holding it completely wrong.. Completely breaks immersion yes. Other scenes are so well made and every detail is considered.
My best guess is someone powerful in the producer team came up with it and nobody wants to argue with him. And said producer micromanages it so nobody can even mend it a bit.
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On April 26 2016 04:09 Ota Solgryn wrote: No idea how that sand thing scenes (yes I call it that because that is how dumb it is) made it to the final show. The dialogue is so bad. The scenes are bad. The acting is extremely bad. And in this episode, her standing there with a whip, like a derp close quaters, holding it completely wrong.. Completely breaks immersion yes. Other scenes are so well made and every detail is considered.
My best guess is someone powerful in the producer team came up with it and nobody wants to argue with him. And said producer micromanages it so nobody can even mend it a bit. Yea its weird how poorly the Dorne storyline was executed. That isn't to say that is the only weird thing (Brienne somehow finding Sansa after killing Stannis make her look like Batman). But Dorne especially is really messed up.
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Why the fuck do the Dothraki have a Brocode? WTF is this shit...
And Dorne... I just ignore it. The rest seemed ok
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On April 26 2016 04:16 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 04:09 Ota Solgryn wrote: No idea how that sand thing scenes (yes I call it that because that is how dumb it is) made it to the final show. The dialogue is so bad. The scenes are bad. The acting is extremely bad. And in this episode, her standing there with a whip, like a derp close quaters, holding it completely wrong.. Completely breaks immersion yes. Other scenes are so well made and every detail is considered.
My best guess is someone powerful in the producer team came up with it and nobody wants to argue with him. And said producer micromanages it so nobody can even mend it a bit. Yea its weird how poorly the Dorne storyline was executed. That isn't to say that is the only weird thing (Brienne somehow finding Sansa after killing Stannis make her look like Batman). But Dorne especially is really messed up.
Brienne was there actively looking for Sansa. I mean I grant you that the timing is pretty 'fortunate', but it is a TV show. No problem there for me. More strange is Tyrion walking through the streets dressed as a 'simple merchant' as though the entire city hasn't seen him on stage with Dany at the fighting pit. And obviously Dorne is worst of all.
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On April 26 2016 04:20 bardtown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 04:16 Cricketer12 wrote:On April 26 2016 04:09 Ota Solgryn wrote: No idea how that sand thing scenes (yes I call it that because that is how dumb it is) made it to the final show. The dialogue is so bad. The scenes are bad. The acting is extremely bad. And in this episode, her standing there with a whip, like a derp close quaters, holding it completely wrong.. Completely breaks immersion yes. Other scenes are so well made and every detail is considered.
My best guess is someone powerful in the producer team came up with it and nobody wants to argue with him. And said producer micromanages it so nobody can even mend it a bit. Yea its weird how poorly the Dorne storyline was executed. That isn't to say that is the only weird thing (Brienne somehow finding Sansa after killing Stannis make her look like Batman). But Dorne especially is really messed up. Brienne was there actively looking for Sansa. I mean I grant you that the timing is pretty 'fortunate', but it is a TV show. No problem there for me. More strange is Tyrion walking through the streets dressed as a 'simple merchant' as though the entire city hasn't seen him on stage with Dany at the fighting pit. And obviously Dorne is worst of all.
Imo the writing suffers under all these different locations/characters. Not enough room for scenic development, everything needs to be wrapped up rather quickly to jump to the next location.
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On April 26 2016 04:20 bardtown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 04:16 Cricketer12 wrote:On April 26 2016 04:09 Ota Solgryn wrote: No idea how that sand thing scenes (yes I call it that because that is how dumb it is) made it to the final show. The dialogue is so bad. The scenes are bad. The acting is extremely bad. And in this episode, her standing there with a whip, like a derp close quaters, holding it completely wrong.. Completely breaks immersion yes. Other scenes are so well made and every detail is considered.
My best guess is someone powerful in the producer team came up with it and nobody wants to argue with him. And said producer micromanages it so nobody can even mend it a bit. Yea its weird how poorly the Dorne storyline was executed. That isn't to say that is the only weird thing (Brienne somehow finding Sansa after killing Stannis make her look like Batman). But Dorne especially is really messed up. Brienne was there actively looking for Sansa. I mean I grant you that the timing is pretty 'fortunate', but it is a TV show.
But this kind of thing didn't just magically happen in the first few seasons. Its normal for TV, but its definitely a sign of a lowering of the standard of this particular show.
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On April 26 2016 04:20 bardtown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 04:16 Cricketer12 wrote:On April 26 2016 04:09 Ota Solgryn wrote: No idea how that sand thing scenes (yes I call it that because that is how dumb it is) made it to the final show. The dialogue is so bad. The scenes are bad. The acting is extremely bad. And in this episode, her standing there with a whip, like a derp close quaters, holding it completely wrong.. Completely breaks immersion yes. Other scenes are so well made and every detail is considered.
My best guess is someone powerful in the producer team came up with it and nobody wants to argue with him. And said producer micromanages it so nobody can even mend it a bit. Yea its weird how poorly the Dorne storyline was executed. That isn't to say that is the only weird thing (Brienne somehow finding Sansa after killing Stannis make her look like Batman). But Dorne especially is really messed up. Brienne was there actively looking for Sansa. I mean I grant you that the timing is pretty 'fortunate', but it is a TV show. No problem there for me. More strange is Tyrion walking through the streets dressed as a 'simple merchant' as though the entire city hasn't seen him on stage with Dany at the fighting pit. And obviously Dorne is worst of all. Nice point with Tyrion, didn't really consider that...again, as I mentioned in the book thread, I still have high hopes for this season. Davos and Tormund can still carry.
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On April 25 2016 23:07 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 20:35 B-royal wrote: I didn't want to believe it but it's true. When D&D have to write their own material it's absolute horseshit. The first seasons were absolute bliss because everything had been written down by martin already, they literally copied dialogue line for line and it was the best TV I had ever seen.
Now they give us stuff like "You want a good girl, but you need the bad pussy," and the shit that was this episode.
You're telling me that jamie lannister wouldn't turn around, back to dorne after myrcella drops on the floor in his cabin of a ship that's only 100 m from the shore. Doran martell clearly showed his allegiance to the throne and his despise of and disagreements with ellaria sand. Not to mention trystane is on the boat, don't you think he'd urge them to turn around?
Then we're supposed to swallow that doran martell would receive this message possibly a month later (considering the distance between sunspear and king's landing) by means of a raven scroll?
Why isn't Ellaria sand locked up? Why aren't the sand snakes locked up after they attempted to kidnap the princess and put trystane in danger?
All they had to do was keep true to the source material when it comes to Dorne, there it does make sense and contains just as much excitement.
The good and exciting thing about this episode was the wall. Also, you can't hate arya's storyline, I don't care that it moves slowly.
Wait, you think Jamie should have turned back to Dorne after Myrcella dies? Yes that's the smart plan, he doesn't know how far the plan goes. Maybe Duran was behind it and would have killed him if he came back? Him not going back was a smart idea as he could only guess how far that went. Also Doran was giving the sand snakes and Ellaria a second chance. Of course they back stabbed him, but that's why they are free. Don't get me wrong, I think the Dorne scenes are meh, but they were just as bad in the books as well. Also sounds like the only thing you disliked was the Dorne scene so the episode couldn't have been that bad then!
Of course Jamie should have turned back for these reasons:
- possible access to a maester to either try to save myrcella or to prepare her body for a burial at kings landing (having a dead body for a month on a ship is not a pleasant experience)
- there's zero reason to believe duran would be behind it as he reprimands the sand snakes and ellaria sand, showing that he has no part in their treason. Sure duran could have been behind it all, but that's some 9/11 type of conspiracy thinking.
- he send his son trystane with jaime, another sign of good faith. If he was in on the murder of myrcella, who's to tell Jaime wouldn't kill trystane in a fit of rage?
You're right though. The Dorne part is almost solely the reason that instigated me to post this.
"lf half an onion is black with rot, it's a rotten onion." Just a facetious joke.
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The Dorne scenes were bad as always but the thing that bothered me the most is Tyrion/Varys were more than willing to just walk down the streets of Mereen with no escort at all. If they had been recognized by Sons of the Harpy, they'd be dead. Even if they weren't, walking around Mereen unprotected is the height of stupidity. Given what had just happened at the fighting pits, how hard would it have been for them to stick some Unsullied behind them or something.
I'm easy to please though, so I was happy with the episode overall. I expect the quality to decline now that they are freewheeling and beyond the book, but it is still the most enjoyable show on television.
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RIP black halberd guy
Really enjoyable episode though! Great way to start the season.
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On April 26 2016 04:20 bardtown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2016 04:16 Cricketer12 wrote:On April 26 2016 04:09 Ota Solgryn wrote: No idea how that sand thing scenes (yes I call it that because that is how dumb it is) made it to the final show. The dialogue is so bad. The scenes are bad. The acting is extremely bad. And in this episode, her standing there with a whip, like a derp close quaters, holding it completely wrong.. Completely breaks immersion yes. Other scenes are so well made and every detail is considered.
My best guess is someone powerful in the producer team came up with it and nobody wants to argue with him. And said producer micromanages it so nobody can even mend it a bit. Yea its weird how poorly the Dorne storyline was executed. That isn't to say that is the only weird thing (Brienne somehow finding Sansa after killing Stannis make her look like Batman). But Dorne especially is really messed up. Brienne was there actively looking for Sansa. I mean I grant you that the timing is pretty 'fortunate', but it is a TV show. No problem there for me. More strange is Tyrion walking through the streets dressed as a 'simple merchant' as though the entire city hasn't seen him on stage with Dany at the fighting pit. And obviously Dorne is worst of all.
oh yeah i thought what the fuck is he doing just wondering around like that, when i saw it, then immediately forgot
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On April 26 2016 00:50 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Argh the Dorne Plotline is so freakin terrible! They didn't even try to improve after all the criticism about it last season. You tell me this super smart and wise ruler king doesn't have a sworn kings guard who protect him? They were unhappy because he didn't go to war but instead tried have peace and prosperity? So unhappy all of them are ready for treason? What king would hire them again after this? And what was that Sand Snake girl going to do with a whip inside a tight boat corridor? He could have stabbed her to death in a second, come on. Lets juts hope Drogon is on vacation to Dorne to burn the entire country so we don't have to hear about this shit again lol edit: I still enjoyed everything else though  . But Dorne is a real thorn in my viewing experience as it breaks the immersion. King of Dorne did rule in peacetime. Everyone loves him, so there's no need to have the best bodyguards. Maybe halberd guy was just hired to look imposing and wasn't a good fighter at all. We haven't seen him fight, only stand around and threaten people who threaten Doran. After all, Doran wouldn't really need a crack bodyguard if nobody wants him dead in the first place.
What Ellaria did by no means reflects what Dorne thinks. Maybe the guards there realized "Doran is dead, halberd guy is dead, the messenger tried to run and got killed for his trouble... maybe it's best not to be next in the firing line". I'd rather live and continue to make money. Doran's dead. No point in going with him for no reason. Whoever's next to rule Dorne needs some guards too. We haven't seen much of Dorne outside the walls of the palace, so maybe this coup won't go well with the plebs.
I think it's implied that whip girl wasn't going to do anything in the first place. Tristane can't fight for shit and it's made obvious from the point where he leaves his corner to stand in the middle (where he is vulnerable) and actually turns his back on one of the Snakes as he draws his sword. When they make him pick who to fight, they tell him that whip girl was the good choice because it allows spear girl to give him a quick death from behind instead of a drawn-out death from ahead.
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My question with Sansa is where did the dogs that were in that group go? There were dogs in that group unless I got really confused watching that episode but then they vanished so I have no idea where they went. Ramseys dogs dont seem like the type to just run away after all.
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