there was a discussion somewhere in this thread about what influenced Martin and about his own ideas and creativity. i just added what i know. some people think that all this is Martin's own making and its not. it doesn't take anyway from the story if these ideas are new to you but we shouldn't credit Martin with boundless creativity either. to the people who know the stories that he borrowed from it may seem a bit blatant.
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Astans
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there was a discussion somewhere in this thread about what influenced Martin and about his own ideas and creativity. i just added what i know. some people think that all this is Martin's own making and its not. it doesn't take anyway from the story if these ideas are new to you but we shouldn't credit Martin with boundless creativity either. to the people who know the stories that he borrowed from it may seem a bit blatant. | ||
Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
On May 16 2011 06:01 Astans wrote: there was a discussion somewhere in this thread about what influenced Martin and about his own ideas and creativity. i just added what i know. some people think that all this is Martin's own making and its not. it doesn't take anyway from the story if these ideas are new to you but we shouldn't credit Martin with boundless creativity either. to the people who know the stories that he borrowed from it may seem a bit blatant. and they borrowed ideas from other authors. So what? Really i dont see your point | ||
Mente
United States288 Posts
On May 16 2011 05:54 zemiron wrote: + Show Spoiler + Different people in the books have ideas who Jon's mother is, but they all have conflicting stories. Ned's dreams suggest other options for the identity of Jon's mother. As of know, there has been no definitive answer in the series, but several people have their theories. + Show Spoiler + Didn't jon's milk brother say his mother was Wylla? Didn't Ned tell Robert in episode 2 that the woman he went to bed with was Wylla as well? I seem to recall the first sentence in book 3~ | ||
Humppis
Finland52 Posts
On May 16 2011 05:52 Astans wrote: its an obsession with heights, a compulsive behavior. plus Martin mentioned that Zelazny was one of his inspirations. i am pretty sure he read that book. Martin borrowed a lot of ideas and molded them into his own book, he has admitted that too Unless you live under a rock( literally ), its very hard to not pick inspirations from your surroundings. Every artist - wether its music, writing or art - get inspiration from somewhere. Most inspirations people get they wont even realize they did. Being able to pinpoint their inspirations and giving credit to the people they were inspired by is something to be credited, not frowned upon. | ||
GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
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Eclipse.fX
Canada125 Posts
On May 16 2011 06:09 Mente wrote: + Show Spoiler + Didn't jon's milk brother say his mother was Wylla? Didn't Ned tell Robert in episode 2 that the woman he went to bed with was Wylla as well? I seem to recall the first sentence in book 3~ Lots of details on who Jon Snow's parents might be at: http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/FAQ/Entry/2291/ TL:DR version of it in the spoiler below. + Show Spoiler + The theory with the most evidence behind it that makes the most sense for the story is: Jon's parents are Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen. | ||
Astans
205 Posts
On May 16 2011 06:13 Humppis wrote: Unless you live under a rock( literally ), its very hard to not pick inspirations from your surroundings. Every artist - wether its music, writing or art - get inspiration from somewhere. Most inspirations people get they wont even realize they did. Being able to pinpoint their inspirations and giving credit to the people they were inspired by is something to be credited, not frowned upon. it depends on how much you borrow. but anyway, i didn't criticize Martin much, i just said that we shouldn't credit him with inventing many of these ideas. If you play someone else's song we can applaud you for doing it well but we can't give you credit for writing it. Martin wrote a good book, i just feel that his borrowing of ideas was a bit blatant for those few people who know where those ideas came from. | ||
razicator
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Pekkz
Norway1505 Posts
On May 16 2011 07:54 razicator wrote: I lost HBO moving from college to back home, does anybody stream this awesome show? Perhaps on JTV? Dunno if thats legal to post here, but would sure like a PM if any1 is streaming:p | ||
GwSC
United States1997 Posts
On May 16 2011 07:54 razicator wrote: I lost HBO moving from college to back home, does anybody stream this awesome show? Perhaps on JTV? Popular torrent sites usually have it upon within an hour of the show ending, if that helps. | ||
Bonham
Canada655 Posts
On May 16 2011 06:22 Eclipse.fX wrote: + Show Spoiler + The theory with the most evidence behind it that makes the most sense for the story is: Jon's parents are Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen. This is totally correct. I will eat my own shoes if Jon's parents turns out to be anyone else. | ||
Dystisis
Norway713 Posts
I don't understand why people assume Lyanna Stark is the mother of Jon, and that Eddard is not the father. Reading through the theories for why this is assumed, no good reason is given. As for what is in the books, Eddard is always described as the father, and he is not the sort of character that lies at every chance. However, many people seem to be persuaded otherwise. I suppose I'm missing something. | ||
Xivsa
United States1009 Posts
On May 16 2011 08:39 Dystisis wrote: + Show Spoiler + I don't understand why people assume Lyanna Stark is the mother of Jon, and that Eddard is not the father. Reading through the theories for why this is assumed, no good reason is given. As for what is in the books, Eddard is always described as the father, and he is not the sort of character that lies at every chance. However, many people seem to be persuaded otherwise. I suppose I'm missing something. + Show Spoiler + You're mostly missing the promise Lyana drew from Eddard. What else would it be besides raise this child as though it were your own? And while Eddard doesn't always lie, he's also not one to sleep around and sire bastards. Jon is almost as old as Robb as he left Catelyn right after Robb was conceived and then comes back with another son, in addition to his own. Of the two, I'd say Eddard knocking up some 'Wylla' chick to be less likely. | ||
happyness
United States2400 Posts
On May 16 2011 06:25 Astans wrote: it depends on how much you borrow. but anyway, i didn't criticize Martin much, i just said that we shouldn't credit him with inventing many of these ideas. If you play someone else's song we can applaud you for doing it well but we can't give you credit for writing it. Martin wrote a good book, i just feel that his borrowing of ideas was a bit blatant for those few people who know where those ideas came from. “Immature poets imitate, mature poets steal” - T.S. Eliot The same goes for writing, music, painting, or any art really. No great artist is 100% original. Martin did write his own book, and he did steal ideas, as do all good writers. Oh and Bonham, you need to learn how to read. | ||
Maginor
Norway505 Posts
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Xivsa
United States1009 Posts
On May 16 2011 08:49 Maginor wrote: Did nobody read the notice about tagging spoilers appropriately? + Show Spoiler + Yep, I did read it. The ambiguity about Jon's parentage is established in the first book. | ||
Teejing
Germany1360 Posts
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Vykenos
United States56 Posts
On May 16 2011 08:39 Dystisis wrote: + Show Spoiler + I don't understand why people assume Lyanna Stark is the mother of Jon, and that Eddard is not the father. Reading through the theories for why this is assumed, no good reason is given. As for what is in the books, Eddard is always described as the father, and he is not the sort of character that lies at every chance. However, many people seem to be persuaded otherwise. I suppose I'm missing something. In reply to questions about Jon's parents: + Show Spoiler + Everything said to date in the books has been from the words of people who do not know for sure. The book itself has not narrated anything else other then labeling Jon what he thinks he is. the only person who has been identified that knows for sure is Ned. | ||
Turenne
331 Posts
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sidesprang
Norway1033 Posts
On May 16 2011 09:16 Turenne wrote: When does the episode start? 9 pm estern time i think. aka in 30 mins. | ||
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