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Books should be mentioned in spoiler description. And this is a thread regarding the shows first season + somewhat first book.
Anyways, thanks for spoiling.
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On May 15 2011 22:50 Dystisis wrote:
I don't think these books are like other fantasy books, where a single person can be capable of taking out tens or hundreds of other men in combat. As GRRM has said himself, such big discrepancies would make it very unrealistic that there would even exist armies at all.
It's true that "Ice and Fire" is pretty realistic in it's combat and there are no people in it's world that could kill hundreds of others without breaking a sweat.
There is however still the natural difference in skill and strength. Just like in our world there isn't anyone that can kill a hundred people (disregarding modern weaponry ofc) but i am sure a well trained martial artist could defeat several other people at once.
Then ofcourse you got other stuff. For example it wouldn't be too hard for a knight in full armor to cut down dozens of unarmed people without any risk at all. In the end though, there are still variations in how strong certain characters are, but there aren't any characters that are so strong that they could decide the outcome of a story on their own.
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ahh today is the day!!!! i love sundays now
i forgot the date when they air the next consecutive episode online
is today that day? or next week?
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On May 16 2011 01:42 malady wrote:
ahh today is the day!!!! i love sundays now
i forgot the date when they air the next consecutive episode online
is today that day? or next week?
Episode 7 will be online immediately after ep 6, so it is next week.
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On May 16 2011 02:04 LTT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 01:42 malady wrote:
ahh today is the day!!!! i love sundays now
i forgot the date when they air the next consecutive episode online
is today that day? or next week? Episode 7 will be online immediately after ep 6, so it is next week.
going by the episode titles episode 6 and 7 will be awesome
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On May 15 2011 22:33 Doppelganger wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 21:56 zalz wrote:On May 15 2011 21:47 escobari wrote:I've trying to figure out peoples powerlevels for awhile now and only thing I can figure is that arhur daynes aka sword of the mornings was over 9000. Next I would put barristan and jaime, others are kind of impossible to place. There are also some ridicilous imbalances + Show Spoiler +like so mountain savages, sellsword and a woman being more powerfull than elite knights like the kingsguard I think it's safe to say that given the accounts of all the characters, Arthur Dayne was indeed the most skilled knight during his lifetime. A pretty good piece of the first book: It's a dream/memory that Ned has in the first book. + Show Spoiler +He dreamt an old dream, of three knights in white cloaks, and a tower long fallen, and Lyanna in her bed of blood.
In the dream his friends rode with him, as they had in life. Proud Martyn Cassel, Jory’s father; faithful Theo Wull; Ethan Glover, who had been Brandon’s squire; Ser Mark Ryswell, soft of speech and gentle of heart; the crannogman, Howland Reed; Lord Dustin on his great red stallion. Ned had known their faces as well as he knew his own once, but the years leech at a man’s memories, even those he has vowed never to forget. In the dream they were only shadows, grey wraiths on horses made of mist.
They were seven, facing three. In the dream as it had been in life. Yet these were no ordinary three. They waited before the round tower, the red mountains of Dorne at their backs, their white cloaks blowing in the wind. And these were no shadows; their faces burned clear, even now. Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning, had a sad smile on his lips. The hilt of the greatsword Dawn poked up over his right shoulder. Ser Oswell Whent was on one knee, sharpening his blade with a whetstone. Across his white-enameled helm, the black bat of his House spread its wings. Between them stood fierce old Ser Gerold Hightower, the White Bull, Lord Commander of the Kingsguard.
“I looked for you on the Trident,” Ned said to them.
“We were not there,” Ser Gerold answered.
“Woe to the Usurper if we had been,” said Ser Oswell.
“When King’s Landing fell, Ser Jaime slew your king with a golden sword, and I wondered where you were.”
“Far away,” Ser Gerold said, “or Aerys would yet sit the Iron Throne, and our false brother would burn in seven hells.”
“I came down on Storm’s End to lift the siege,” Ned told them, and the Lords Tyrell and Redwyne dipped their banners, and all their knights bent the knee to pledge us fealty. I was certain you would be among them.”
“Our knees do not bend easily,” said Ser Arthur Dayne.
“Ser Willem Darry is fled to Dragonstone, with your queen and Prince Viserys. I thought you might have sailed with him.”
“Ser Willem is a good man and true,” said Ser Oswell.
“But not of the Kingsguard,” Ser Gerold pointed out. “The Kingsguard does not flee.”
“Then or now,” said Ser Arthur. He donned his helm.
“We swore a vow,” explained old Ser Gerold.
Ned’s wraiths moved up beside him, with shadow swords in hand. They were seven against three.
“And now it begins,” said Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning. He unsheathed Dawn and held it with both hands. The blade was pale as milkglass, alive with light.
“No,” Ned said with sadness in his voice. “Now it ends.” As they came together in a rush of steel and shadow, he could hear Lyanna screaming. “Eddard!” she called. A storm of rose petals blew across
a blood-streaked sky, as blue as the eyes of death.
“Lord Eddard,” Lyanna called again.
“I promise,” he whispered. “Lya, I promise.’ I so hope we get to see that.
+ Show Spoiler +this dream hints at who the parents of Jon Snow are 
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to go back to a discussion in this thread, Martin has "stolen" from many influences. the banquett story was taken from this:
http://omacl.org/Nibelungenlied/
the little boy who likes to climb on buildings was taken from a Zelazny story
i am sure he has taken more ideas from other sources but since most of them are pretty obscure i don't think its a problem.
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On May 15 2011 21:56 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 21:47 escobari wrote:I've trying to figure out peoples powerlevels for awhile now and only thing I can figure is that arhur daynes aka sword of the mornings was over 9000. Next I would put barristan and jaime, others are kind of impossible to place. There are also some ridicilous imbalances + Show Spoiler +like so mountain savages, sellsword and a woman being more powerfull than elite knights like the kingsguard I think it's safe to say that given the accounts of all the characters, Arthur Dayne was indeed the most skilled knight during his lifetime. A pretty good piece of the first book: It's a dream/memory that Ned has in the first book. + Show Spoiler +He dreamt an old dream, of three knights in white cloaks, and a tower long fallen, and Lyanna in her bed of blood.
In the dream his friends rode with him, as they had in life. Proud Martyn Cassel, Jory’s father; faithful Theo Wull; Ethan Glover, who had been Brandon’s squire; Ser Mark Ryswell, soft of speech and gentle of heart; the crannogman, Howland Reed; Lord Dustin on his great red stallion. Ned had known their faces as well as he knew his own once, but the years leech at a man’s memories, even those he has vowed never to forget. In the dream they were only shadows, grey wraiths on horses made of mist.
They were seven, facing three. In the dream as it had been in life. Yet these were no ordinary three. They waited before the round tower, the red mountains of Dorne at their backs, their white cloaks blowing in the wind. And these were no shadows; their faces burned clear, even now. Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning, had a sad smile on his lips. The hilt of the greatsword Dawn poked up over his right shoulder. Ser Oswell Whent was on one knee, sharpening his blade with a whetstone. Across his white-enameled helm, the black bat of his House spread its wings. Between them stood fierce old Ser Gerold Hightower, the White Bull, Lord Commander of the Kingsguard.
“I looked for you on the Trident,” Ned said to them.
“We were not there,” Ser Gerold answered.
“Woe to the Usurper if we had been,” said Ser Oswell.
“When King’s Landing fell, Ser Jaime slew your king with a golden sword, and I wondered where you were.”
“Far away,” Ser Gerold said, “or Aerys would yet sit the Iron Throne, and our false brother would burn in seven hells.”
“I came down on Storm’s End to lift the siege,” Ned told them, and the Lords Tyrell and Redwyne dipped their banners, and all their knights bent the knee to pledge us fealty. I was certain you would be among them.”
“Our knees do not bend easily,” said Ser Arthur Dayne.
“Ser Willem Darry is fled to Dragonstone, with your queen and Prince Viserys. I thought you might have sailed with him.”
“Ser Willem is a good man and true,” said Ser Oswell.
“But not of the Kingsguard,” Ser Gerold pointed out. “The Kingsguard does not flee.”
“Then or now,” said Ser Arthur. He donned his helm.
“We swore a vow,” explained old Ser Gerold.
Ned’s wraiths moved up beside him, with shadow swords in hand. They were seven against three.
“And now it begins,” said Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning. He unsheathed Dawn and held it with both hands. The blade was pale as milkglass, alive with light.
“No,” Ned said with sadness in his voice. “Now it ends.” As they came together in a rush of steel and shadow, he could hear Lyanna screaming. “Eddard!” she called. A storm of rose petals blew across
a blood-streaked sky, as blue as the eyes of death.
“Lord Eddard,” Lyanna called again.
“I promise,” he whispered. “Lya, I promise.’
Those two pages blew me away when i first read them. I had Brian Eno's "an ending (ascent)" playing in the background while i read and I got major nerd chills. I bookmarked that page immediately. So extremely well written. Probably one of my favourite parts of the series.
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On May 16 2011 03:24 Astans wrote:
the little boy who likes to climb on buildings was taken from a Zelazny story
im sure, cause obviously a writer would never think of a boy who likes to climb on his own.
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On May 16 2011 04:50 WiljushkA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 03:24 Astans wrote:
the little boy who likes to climb on buildings was taken from a Zelazny story
im sure, cause obviously a writer would never think of a boy who likes to climb on his own.
yeah, a boy climbing? he should get sued
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I really love the TV show - didnt even know anything about the books before - I started reading and now im in the 4th (!!!) book - damnit i cant get enough- thx god i still got 12 books to go x)
the one big strenghs of the whole is the character development in my opinion - its even better than Lord of the Rings - in my opinion - cos all characters are more natural and realistic!
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On May 16 2011 03:01 t3tsubo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 22:33 Doppelganger wrote:On May 15 2011 21:56 zalz wrote:On May 15 2011 21:47 escobari wrote:I've trying to figure out peoples powerlevels for awhile now and only thing I can figure is that arhur daynes aka sword of the mornings was over 9000. Next I would put barristan and jaime, others are kind of impossible to place. There are also some ridicilous imbalances + Show Spoiler +like so mountain savages, sellsword and a woman being more powerfull than elite knights like the kingsguard I think it's safe to say that given the accounts of all the characters, Arthur Dayne was indeed the most skilled knight during his lifetime. A pretty good piece of the first book: It's a dream/memory that Ned has in the first book. + Show Spoiler +He dreamt an old dream, of three knights in white cloaks, and a tower long fallen, and Lyanna in her bed of blood.
In the dream his friends rode with him, as they had in life. Proud Martyn Cassel, Jory’s father; faithful Theo Wull; Ethan Glover, who had been Brandon’s squire; Ser Mark Ryswell, soft of speech and gentle of heart; the crannogman, Howland Reed; Lord Dustin on his great red stallion. Ned had known their faces as well as he knew his own once, but the years leech at a man’s memories, even those he has vowed never to forget. In the dream they were only shadows, grey wraiths on horses made of mist.
They were seven, facing three. In the dream as it had been in life. Yet these were no ordinary three. They waited before the round tower, the red mountains of Dorne at their backs, their white cloaks blowing in the wind. And these were no shadows; their faces burned clear, even now. Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning, had a sad smile on his lips. The hilt of the greatsword Dawn poked up over his right shoulder. Ser Oswell Whent was on one knee, sharpening his blade with a whetstone. Across his white-enameled helm, the black bat of his House spread its wings. Between them stood fierce old Ser Gerold Hightower, the White Bull, Lord Commander of the Kingsguard.
“I looked for you on the Trident,” Ned said to them.
“We were not there,” Ser Gerold answered.
“Woe to the Usurper if we had been,” said Ser Oswell.
“When King’s Landing fell, Ser Jaime slew your king with a golden sword, and I wondered where you were.”
“Far away,” Ser Gerold said, “or Aerys would yet sit the Iron Throne, and our false brother would burn in seven hells.”
“I came down on Storm’s End to lift the siege,” Ned told them, and the Lords Tyrell and Redwyne dipped their banners, and all their knights bent the knee to pledge us fealty. I was certain you would be among them.”
“Our knees do not bend easily,” said Ser Arthur Dayne.
“Ser Willem Darry is fled to Dragonstone, with your queen and Prince Viserys. I thought you might have sailed with him.”
“Ser Willem is a good man and true,” said Ser Oswell.
“But not of the Kingsguard,” Ser Gerold pointed out. “The Kingsguard does not flee.”
“Then or now,” said Ser Arthur. He donned his helm.
“We swore a vow,” explained old Ser Gerold.
Ned’s wraiths moved up beside him, with shadow swords in hand. They were seven against three.
“And now it begins,” said Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning. He unsheathed Dawn and held it with both hands. The blade was pale as milkglass, alive with light.
“No,” Ned said with sadness in his voice. “Now it ends.” As they came together in a rush of steel and shadow, he could hear Lyanna screaming. “Eddard!” she called. A storm of rose petals blew across
a blood-streaked sky, as blue as the eyes of death.
“Lord Eddard,” Lyanna called again.
“I promise,” he whispered. “Lya, I promise.’ I so hope we get to see that. + Show Spoiler +this dream hints at who the parents of Jon Snow are
Pretty sure it's already been mentioned in the show and in the books who jon's parents are.
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On May 16 2011 05:26 Mente wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 03:01 t3tsubo wrote:On May 15 2011 22:33 Doppelganger wrote:On May 15 2011 21:56 zalz wrote:On May 15 2011 21:47 escobari wrote:I've trying to figure out peoples powerlevels for awhile now and only thing I can figure is that arhur daynes aka sword of the mornings was over 9000. Next I would put barristan and jaime, others are kind of impossible to place. There are also some ridicilous imbalances + Show Spoiler +like so mountain savages, sellsword and a woman being more powerfull than elite knights like the kingsguard I think it's safe to say that given the accounts of all the characters, Arthur Dayne was indeed the most skilled knight during his lifetime. A pretty good piece of the first book: It's a dream/memory that Ned has in the first book. + Show Spoiler +He dreamt an old dream, of three knights in white cloaks, and a tower long fallen, and Lyanna in her bed of blood.
In the dream his friends rode with him, as they had in life. Proud Martyn Cassel, Jory’s father; faithful Theo Wull; Ethan Glover, who had been Brandon’s squire; Ser Mark Ryswell, soft of speech and gentle of heart; the crannogman, Howland Reed; Lord Dustin on his great red stallion. Ned had known their faces as well as he knew his own once, but the years leech at a man’s memories, even those he has vowed never to forget. In the dream they were only shadows, grey wraiths on horses made of mist.
They were seven, facing three. In the dream as it had been in life. Yet these were no ordinary three. They waited before the round tower, the red mountains of Dorne at their backs, their white cloaks blowing in the wind. And these were no shadows; their faces burned clear, even now. Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning, had a sad smile on his lips. The hilt of the greatsword Dawn poked up over his right shoulder. Ser Oswell Whent was on one knee, sharpening his blade with a whetstone. Across his white-enameled helm, the black bat of his House spread its wings. Between them stood fierce old Ser Gerold Hightower, the White Bull, Lord Commander of the Kingsguard.
“I looked for you on the Trident,” Ned said to them.
“We were not there,” Ser Gerold answered.
“Woe to the Usurper if we had been,” said Ser Oswell.
“When King’s Landing fell, Ser Jaime slew your king with a golden sword, and I wondered where you were.”
“Far away,” Ser Gerold said, “or Aerys would yet sit the Iron Throne, and our false brother would burn in seven hells.”
“I came down on Storm’s End to lift the siege,” Ned told them, and the Lords Tyrell and Redwyne dipped their banners, and all their knights bent the knee to pledge us fealty. I was certain you would be among them.”
“Our knees do not bend easily,” said Ser Arthur Dayne.
“Ser Willem Darry is fled to Dragonstone, with your queen and Prince Viserys. I thought you might have sailed with him.”
“Ser Willem is a good man and true,” said Ser Oswell.
“But not of the Kingsguard,” Ser Gerold pointed out. “The Kingsguard does not flee.”
“Then or now,” said Ser Arthur. He donned his helm.
“We swore a vow,” explained old Ser Gerold.
Ned’s wraiths moved up beside him, with shadow swords in hand. They were seven against three.
“And now it begins,” said Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning. He unsheathed Dawn and held it with both hands. The blade was pale as milkglass, alive with light.
“No,” Ned said with sadness in his voice. “Now it ends.” As they came together in a rush of steel and shadow, he could hear Lyanna screaming. “Eddard!” she called. A storm of rose petals blew across
a blood-streaked sky, as blue as the eyes of death.
“Lord Eddard,” Lyanna called again.
“I promise,” he whispered. “Lya, I promise.’ I so hope we get to see that. + Show Spoiler +this dream hints at who the parents of Jon Snow are Pretty sure it's already been mentioned in the show and in the books who jon's parents are.
it hasn't mentioned in the show who his mother is yet
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So how many books are there currently and how many more to come?
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4 currently, he has a total of 7 planned right now. 5th one comes out this summer i believe
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On May 16 2011 05:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
4 currently, he has a total of 7 planned right now. 5th one comes out this summer i believe
That's what I thought, what is xeR on about then?
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On May 16 2011 04:50 WiljushkA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 03:24 Astans wrote:
the little boy who likes to climb on buildings was taken from a Zelazny story
im sure, cause obviously a writer would never think of a boy who likes to climb on his own.
its an obsession with heights, a compulsive behavior. plus Martin mentioned that Zelazny was one of his inspirations. i am pretty sure he read that book.
Martin borrowed a lot of ideas and molded them into his own book, he has admitted that too
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On May 16 2011 05:51 Azza wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 05:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
4 currently, he has a total of 7 planned right now. 5th one comes out this summer i believe That's what I thought, what is xeR on about then?
I believe I read something in this thread about how the books are split up into more books in some countries
same content, just organized differently
HBO uses the former system though for their book-per-season
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On May 16 2011 05:26 Mente wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 03:01 t3tsubo wrote:On May 15 2011 22:33 Doppelganger wrote:On May 15 2011 21:56 zalz wrote:On May 15 2011 21:47 escobari wrote:I've trying to figure out peoples powerlevels for awhile now and only thing I can figure is that arhur daynes aka sword of the mornings was over 9000. Next I would put barristan and jaime, others are kind of impossible to place. There are also some ridicilous imbalances + Show Spoiler +like so mountain savages, sellsword and a woman being more powerfull than elite knights like the kingsguard I think it's safe to say that given the accounts of all the characters, Arthur Dayne was indeed the most skilled knight during his lifetime. A pretty good piece of the first book: It's a dream/memory that Ned has in the first book. + Show Spoiler +He dreamt an old dream, of three knights in white cloaks, and a tower long fallen, and Lyanna in her bed of blood.
In the dream his friends rode with him, as they had in life. Proud Martyn Cassel, Jory’s father; faithful Theo Wull; Ethan Glover, who had been Brandon’s squire; Ser Mark Ryswell, soft of speech and gentle of heart; the crannogman, Howland Reed; Lord Dustin on his great red stallion. Ned had known their faces as well as he knew his own once, but the years leech at a man’s memories, even those he has vowed never to forget. In the dream they were only shadows, grey wraiths on horses made of mist.
They were seven, facing three. In the dream as it had been in life. Yet these were no ordinary three. They waited before the round tower, the red mountains of Dorne at their backs, their white cloaks blowing in the wind. And these were no shadows; their faces burned clear, even now. Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning, had a sad smile on his lips. The hilt of the greatsword Dawn poked up over his right shoulder. Ser Oswell Whent was on one knee, sharpening his blade with a whetstone. Across his white-enameled helm, the black bat of his House spread its wings. Between them stood fierce old Ser Gerold Hightower, the White Bull, Lord Commander of the Kingsguard.
“I looked for you on the Trident,” Ned said to them.
“We were not there,” Ser Gerold answered.
“Woe to the Usurper if we had been,” said Ser Oswell.
“When King’s Landing fell, Ser Jaime slew your king with a golden sword, and I wondered where you were.”
“Far away,” Ser Gerold said, “or Aerys would yet sit the Iron Throne, and our false brother would burn in seven hells.”
“I came down on Storm’s End to lift the siege,” Ned told them, and the Lords Tyrell and Redwyne dipped their banners, and all their knights bent the knee to pledge us fealty. I was certain you would be among them.”
“Our knees do not bend easily,” said Ser Arthur Dayne.
“Ser Willem Darry is fled to Dragonstone, with your queen and Prince Viserys. I thought you might have sailed with him.”
“Ser Willem is a good man and true,” said Ser Oswell.
“But not of the Kingsguard,” Ser Gerold pointed out. “The Kingsguard does not flee.”
“Then or now,” said Ser Arthur. He donned his helm.
“We swore a vow,” explained old Ser Gerold.
Ned’s wraiths moved up beside him, with shadow swords in hand. They were seven against three.
“And now it begins,” said Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning. He unsheathed Dawn and held it with both hands. The blade was pale as milkglass, alive with light.
“No,” Ned said with sadness in his voice. “Now it ends.” As they came together in a rush of steel and shadow, he could hear Lyanna screaming. “Eddard!” she called. A storm of rose petals blew across
a blood-streaked sky, as blue as the eyes of death.
“Lord Eddard,” Lyanna called again.
“I promise,” he whispered. “Lya, I promise.’ I so hope we get to see that. + Show Spoiler +this dream hints at who the parents of Jon Snow are Pretty sure it's already been mentioned in the show and in the books who jon's parents are.
+ Show Spoiler +Different people in the books have ideas who Jon's mother is, but they all have conflicting stories. Ned's dreams suggest other options for the identity of Jon's mother. As of know, there has been no definitive answer in the series, but several people have their theories.
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On May 16 2011 05:52 Astans wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 04:50 WiljushkA wrote:On May 16 2011 03:24 Astans wrote:
the little boy who likes to climb on buildings was taken from a Zelazny story
im sure, cause obviously a writer would never think of a boy who likes to climb on his own. its an obsession with heights, a compulsive behavior. plus Martin mentioned that Zelazny was one of his inspirations. i am pretty sure he read that book. Martin borrowed a lot of ideas and molded them into his own book, he has admitted that too
So did Tolkien.Your point?
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