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-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
May 14 2011 06:09 GMT
#2701
No he is not. Jamie and Mountain are best fighters in the kingdom at the moment. This guy is way too old.
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
May 14 2011 07:43 GMT
#2702
On May 14 2011 15:09 -Archangel- wrote:
No he is not. Jamie and Mountain are best fighters in the kingdom at the moment. This guy is way too old.


The list isn't that exclusive. Afterall:

Book 1-4

+ Show Spoiler +
The mountain got killed by Oberyn Martell. I think Jamie mentions there are a few people that could probably take him in a fight.

It is mentioned that despite his old age (57 in the first book), Ser Baristan is still one of the greatest knight. Combat wise you can't really tell since he doesn't do much fighting in the books but he does win the tournament against the hound, also considerd one of the better fighters in the land.
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
May 14 2011 07:48 GMT
#2703
There's not enough discussion on how amazing Littlefinger is! By far my favorite character (even if he is a creeper).
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
May 14 2011 08:11 GMT
#2704
On May 14 2011 16:48 setzer wrote:
There's not enough discussion on how amazing Littlefinger is! By far my favorite character (even if he is a creeper).


Littlefinger is in my top 5 of favorite characters so i am glad to see he's being portrayed so well.

My favorite character, Davos Seaworth, hasn't even been introduced yet, but since a 2nd season has been announced it's a matter of time.
tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
May 14 2011 08:17 GMT
#2705
On May 13 2011 21:31 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2011 21:28 Cuddle wrote:
What is it people find so exciting about Barristan Selmy? I didn't even remember the character and once I freshened up, I still don't understand.

Is it his bad-assery legend as a fighter?

pretty much exactly that plus his personality (honorable)

Also, the actor playing him makes his character even more bad-ass!
Betrayed by EG.BuK
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
May 14 2011 08:40 GMT
#2706
On May 14 2011 16:43 zalz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2011 15:09 -Archangel- wrote:
No he is not. Jamie and Mountain are best fighters in the kingdom at the moment. This guy is way too old.


The list isn't that exclusive. Afterall:

Book 1-4

+ Show Spoiler +
The mountain got killed by Oberyn Martell. I think Jamie mentions there are a few people that could probably take him in a fight.

It is mentioned that despite his old age (57 in the first book), Ser Baristan is still one of the greatest knight. Combat wise you can't really tell since he doesn't do much fighting in the books but he does win the tournament against the hound, also considerd one of the better fighters in the land.

+ Show Spoiler +
Mountain is killed by poison, and a magical one at that. And actually he is not dead by the end of book 4 :D
Which tournament did he win? The one where only 2 regions of Westeros were represented?!
Did he win melee or jousting?
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-14 08:56:15
May 14 2011 08:55 GMT
#2707
On May 14 2011 17:40 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2011 16:43 zalz wrote:
On May 14 2011 15:09 -Archangel- wrote:
No he is not. Jamie and Mountain are best fighters in the kingdom at the moment. This guy is way too old.


The list isn't that exclusive. Afterall:

Book 1-4

+ Show Spoiler +
The mountain got killed by Oberyn Martell. I think Jamie mentions there are a few people that could probably take him in a fight.

It is mentioned that despite his old age (57 in the first book), Ser Baristan is still one of the greatest knight. Combat wise you can't really tell since he doesn't do much fighting in the books but he does win the tournament against the hound, also considerd one of the better fighters in the land.

+ Show Spoiler +
Mountain is killed by poison, and a magical one at that. And actually he is not dead by the end of book 4 :D
Which tournament did he win? The one where only 2 regions of Westeros were represented?!
Did he win melee or jousting?


+ Show Spoiler +
The mountain was indeed killed by poison but it's not like he won a resounding victory against Oberyn either. Had Oberyn not tried to extract a confession out of him he could have just stabbed him to death. And no the mountain ain't dead but from what we read he isn't much alive either

Barristan won in a jousting, not entirely related to actuall fighting but that still shows that despite his age he is one of the stronger knights in Westeros. The wiki says it was the tournament at king's landing 1 year prior to the war of the five kings so i think that's this one.
IamAnton
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada335 Posts
May 14 2011 09:02 GMT
#2708
tThe more i see of the Imp, the more i like that lovely little lanester.
"Man created God in his own image." - Ludwig Feuerbach
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
May 14 2011 09:10 GMT
#2709
On May 14 2011 18:02 IamAnton wrote:
tThe more i see of the Imp, the more i like that lovely little lanester.


Tyrion is awesome. Be ready for some more awesome scenes with him
Disquiet
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia628 Posts
May 14 2011 09:28 GMT
#2710
On May 13 2011 02:03 1Eris1 wrote:
Thats probably fake. Most wolves aren't much bigger than large dogs.

If it is real, I want one.

Also, the sex is a huge and important part of the book, get over it. You guys obviously didn't see Rome where they literally showed the male genatalia entering the female's.


When I first saw it about a year ago I did some googling to see if it was real. Turns out it is real and weighed 197 pounds. There was apparently a video of it being shot on a hunting show but I couldn't find an online version.
Whalecore
Profile Joined March 2009
Norway1111 Posts
May 14 2011 12:56 GMT
#2711
On May 14 2011 17:11 zalz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2011 16:48 setzer wrote:
There's not enough discussion on how amazing Littlefinger is! By far my favorite character (even if he is a creeper).


Littlefinger is in my top 5 of favorite characters so i am glad to see he's being portrayed so well

Yea he is awesome. His voice sounds like Bretons in Oblivion, anyone know if that might be the same actor?
Playgu
Evilmystic
Profile Joined September 2010
Russian Federation266 Posts
May 14 2011 14:37 GMT
#2712
On May 14 2011 18:02 IamAnton wrote:
tThe more i see of the Imp, the more i like that lovely little lanester.

+ Show Spoiler +
The giant of Lannister actually
Cylon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States124 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-15 02:32:00
May 14 2011 14:41 GMT
#2713
On May 14 2011 23:37 Evilmystic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2011 18:02 IamAnton wrote:
tThe more i see of the Imp, the more i like that lovely little lanester.

+ Show Spoiler +
The giant of Lannister actually


LOL
escobari
Profile Joined July 2010
Finland192 Posts
May 15 2011 12:47 GMT
#2714
I've trying to figure out peoples powerlevels for awhile now and only thing I can figure is that arhur daynes aka sword of the mornings was over 9000. Next I would put barristan and jaime, others are kind of impossible to place. There are also some ridicilous imbalances + Show Spoiler +
like so mountain savages, sellsword and a woman being more powerfull than elite knights like the kingsguard
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
May 15 2011 12:56 GMT
#2715
On May 15 2011 21:47 escobari wrote:
I've trying to figure out peoples powerlevels for awhile now and only thing I can figure is that arhur daynes aka sword of the mornings was over 9000. Next I would put barristan and jaime, others are kind of impossible to place. There are also some ridicilous imbalances + Show Spoiler +
like so mountain savages, sellsword and a woman being more powerfull than elite knights like the kingsguard


I think it's safe to say that given the accounts of all the characters, Arthur Dayne was indeed the most skilled knight during his lifetime. A pretty good piece of the first book:


It's a dream/memory that Ned has in the first book.

+ Show Spoiler +
He dreamt an old dream, of three knights in white cloaks, and a tower long fallen, and Lyanna in her bed of blood.

In the dream his friends rode with him, as they had in life. Proud Martyn Cassel, Jory’s father; faithful Theo Wull; Ethan Glover, who had been Brandon’s squire; Ser Mark Ryswell, soft of speech and gentle of heart; the crannogman, Howland Reed; Lord Dustin on his great red stallion. Ned had known their faces as well as he knew his own once, but the years leech at a man’s memories, even those he has vowed never to forget. In the dream they were only shadows, grey wraiths on horses made of mist.

They were seven, facing three. In the dream as it had been in life. Yet these were no ordinary three. They waited before the round tower, the red mountains of Dorne at their backs, their white cloaks blowing in the wind. And these were no shadows; their faces burned clear, even now. Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning, had a sad smile on his lips. The hilt of the greatsword Dawn poked up over his right shoulder. Ser Oswell Whent was on one knee, sharpening his blade with a whetstone. Across his white-enameled helm, the black bat of his House spread its wings. Between them stood fierce old Ser Gerold Hightower, the White Bull, Lord Commander of the Kingsguard.

“I looked for you on the Trident,” Ned said to them.
“We were not there,” Ser Gerold answered.
“Woe to the Usurper if we had been,” said Ser Oswell.
“When King’s Landing fell, Ser Jaime slew your king with a golden sword, and I wondered where you were.”
“Far away,” Ser Gerold said, “or Aerys would yet sit the Iron Throne, and our false brother would burn in seven hells.”
“I came down on Storm’s End to lift the siege,” Ned told them, and the Lords Tyrell and Redwyne dipped their banners, and all their knights bent the knee to pledge us fealty. I was certain you would be among them.”
“Our knees do not bend easily,” said Ser Arthur Dayne.
“Ser Willem Darry is fled to Dragonstone, with your queen and Prince Viserys. I thought you might have sailed with him.”
“Ser Willem is a good man and true,” said Ser Oswell.
“But not of the Kingsguard,” Ser Gerold pointed out. “The Kingsguard does not flee.”
“Then or now,” said Ser Arthur. He donned his helm.
“We swore a vow,” explained old Ser Gerold.
Ned’s wraiths moved up beside him, with shadow swords in hand. They were seven against three.
“And now it begins,” said Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning. He unsheathed Dawn and held it with both hands. The blade was pale as milkglass, alive with light.
“No,” Ned said with sadness in his voice. “Now it ends.” As they came together in a rush of steel and shadow, he could hear Lyanna screaming. “Eddard!” she called. A storm of rose petals blew across
a blood-streaked sky, as blue as the eyes of death.
“Lord Eddard,” Lyanna called again.
“I promise,” he whispered. “Lya, I promise.’
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
May 15 2011 13:08 GMT
#2716
On May 15 2011 21:47 escobari wrote:
I've trying to figure out peoples powerlevels for awhile now and only thing I can figure is that arhur daynes aka sword of the mornings was over 9000. Next I would put barristan and jaime, others are kind of impossible to place. There are also some ridicilous imbalances + Show Spoiler +
like so mountain savages, sellsword and a woman being more powerfull than elite knights like the kingsguard


there are no powerlevels this is not Dragonball

every fighter has his weakness which needs to be found and used
Doppelganger
Profile Joined May 2010
488 Posts
May 15 2011 13:33 GMT
#2717
On May 15 2011 21:56 zalz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2011 21:47 escobari wrote:
I've trying to figure out peoples powerlevels for awhile now and only thing I can figure is that arhur daynes aka sword of the mornings was over 9000. Next I would put barristan and jaime, others are kind of impossible to place. There are also some ridicilous imbalances + Show Spoiler +
like so mountain savages, sellsword and a woman being more powerfull than elite knights like the kingsguard


I think it's safe to say that given the accounts of all the characters, Arthur Dayne was indeed the most skilled knight during his lifetime. A pretty good piece of the first book:


It's a dream/memory that Ned has in the first book.

+ Show Spoiler +
He dreamt an old dream, of three knights in white cloaks, and a tower long fallen, and Lyanna in her bed of blood.

In the dream his friends rode with him, as they had in life. Proud Martyn Cassel, Jory’s father; faithful Theo Wull; Ethan Glover, who had been Brandon’s squire; Ser Mark Ryswell, soft of speech and gentle of heart; the crannogman, Howland Reed; Lord Dustin on his great red stallion. Ned had known their faces as well as he knew his own once, but the years leech at a man’s memories, even those he has vowed never to forget. In the dream they were only shadows, grey wraiths on horses made of mist.

They were seven, facing three. In the dream as it had been in life. Yet these were no ordinary three. They waited before the round tower, the red mountains of Dorne at their backs, their white cloaks blowing in the wind. And these were no shadows; their faces burned clear, even now. Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning, had a sad smile on his lips. The hilt of the greatsword Dawn poked up over his right shoulder. Ser Oswell Whent was on one knee, sharpening his blade with a whetstone. Across his white-enameled helm, the black bat of his House spread its wings. Between them stood fierce old Ser Gerold Hightower, the White Bull, Lord Commander of the Kingsguard.

“I looked for you on the Trident,” Ned said to them.
“We were not there,” Ser Gerold answered.
“Woe to the Usurper if we had been,” said Ser Oswell.
“When King’s Landing fell, Ser Jaime slew your king with a golden sword, and I wondered where you were.”
“Far away,” Ser Gerold said, “or Aerys would yet sit the Iron Throne, and our false brother would burn in seven hells.”
“I came down on Storm’s End to lift the siege,” Ned told them, and the Lords Tyrell and Redwyne dipped their banners, and all their knights bent the knee to pledge us fealty. I was certain you would be among them.”
“Our knees do not bend easily,” said Ser Arthur Dayne.
“Ser Willem Darry is fled to Dragonstone, with your queen and Prince Viserys. I thought you might have sailed with him.”
“Ser Willem is a good man and true,” said Ser Oswell.
“But not of the Kingsguard,” Ser Gerold pointed out. “The Kingsguard does not flee.”
“Then or now,” said Ser Arthur. He donned his helm.
“We swore a vow,” explained old Ser Gerold.
Ned’s wraiths moved up beside him, with shadow swords in hand. They were seven against three.
“And now it begins,” said Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning. He unsheathed Dawn and held it with both hands. The blade was pale as milkglass, alive with light.
“No,” Ned said with sadness in his voice. “Now it ends.” As they came together in a rush of steel and shadow, he could hear Lyanna screaming. “Eddard!” she called. A storm of rose petals blew across
a blood-streaked sky, as blue as the eyes of death.
“Lord Eddard,” Lyanna called again.
“I promise,” he whispered. “Lya, I promise.’



I so hope we get to see that.
oooo27
Profile Joined October 2010
342 Posts
May 15 2011 13:46 GMT
#2718
I always got the impression, based on the tourney scene, that Sandor was a better fighter than Gregor. On the other hand, + Show Spoiler +
the Mountain survived a spear to the chest and it took several weeks for the poison to kill him. That makes him one tough bastard
Dystisis
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway713 Posts
May 15 2011 13:50 GMT
#2719
I don't think these books are like other fantasy books, where a single person can be capable of taking out tens or hundreds of other men in combat. As GRRM has said himself, such big discrepancies would make it very unrealistic that there would even exist armies at all.
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
May 15 2011 14:46 GMT
#2720
On May 15 2011 22:46 oooo27 wrote:
I always got the impression, based on the tourney scene, that Sandor was a better fighter than Gregor. On the other hand, + Show Spoiler +
the Mountain survived a spear to the chest and it took several weeks for the poison to kill him. That makes him one tough bastard


+ Show Spoiler +
the poison was on purpose. Oberyn wanted him to suffer
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