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Eishi_Ki
Profile Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1667 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-12 18:19:48
May 12 2011 18:16 GMT
#2661


Good to see some development of Barristan! About time!
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
May 12 2011 18:19 GMT
#2662
On May 13 2011 01:58 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2011 00:43 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 13 2011 00:32 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On May 12 2011 23:18 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 12 2011 23:06 Kickboxer wrote:
Well the way I pictured her in the books as a ravishing young beauty with silver hair and purple eyes I expected something more along the lines of a pimped up Adriana Lima. This actress kinda looks like your regular middle-age platinum blonde :p

I have to say the rest of the cast is amazing, though. And so is the series!

Nobody in middle ages looked like Adriana Lima. And Adriana Lima is not that hot, she is just underfed. In middle ages such a woman would be considered ugly.
BTW, how do you know she is hot live. You only ever seen her with ton of make up and after photoshop magic was done like most of the "hot" famous women.

Game of Thrones does not take place on Earth nor in the Middle Ages. There's definitely a medieval influence but it's a mistake to examine the Middle Ages to explain Game of Thrones.

By the way, calorie restriction is quite promising. Since Adriana Lima does not need to suffer from malnutrition to maintain her figure, it's possible her low caloric intake is better. So it might be misleading to say she's underfed. But we don't know how much she eats. She could be eating more than women who weigh more than her if she's also exercising more.

For all intents and purposes it is middle ages (especially since there is almost no magic at this time). Martin even admitted he used War of the Roses to base his world around (Westeros at least).

Lol, don't go all science on us. Underfed was a descriptive term that I like to use for all models (most of them are really underfed).

Yes, Adriana Lima probably exercises a lot and has access to any kind of food she wants, which she would not have in Westeros and she would not exercise in such a manner.

And as someone said, Dany is 13 in the books (16 in the show), Adriana Lima is what? 25?

Martin's primary intent or purpose was to create a fictional world in which his drama can play out. There are inevitably many influences on the world he created. But ultimately Martin can use each one to whatever extent he wants and he can make stuff up whenever he wants. It's a ridiculous exercise to refer back to one of his influences to theorize about something he hasn't explained. And your foray into such an exercise was exceptionally poor. I could agree that Daenerys should probably have a higher body fat percentage than Adriana Lima has but you chose to widen the scope beyond any hope of validity.

'Underfed' is the wrong word to use but you stubbornly use it anyway. Then you say you use it for all models and admit that only most models are underfed. How am I supposed to respect you at all?

You should consider that learning things on your own and attempting to display your knowledge in public is a much worse practice than learning things both privately and publicly and using social interaction as an exchange rather than as a competition.

First of all English is not my 1st language and I try to explain my point the best I can.
And your last part was a personal attack which was not needed.

Now for the first part. I am sorry but I do not agree with you. We do not have any other reference but middle ages and whether you agree or not it is extremely close to it by his descriptions. This whole exercise is a guessing game and if we take upon your logic then it is pointless to discuss anything about Martin's world because your argument can be used for anything that does not fit your (or anyone) version. How did I widen the scope? You deny that women were in the past (and even today in some parts of the world) judged by their ability to have children and that most considered those that were not thin and underfed to be the more fertile ones?
Also you deny that art in the past mostly showed us fatter and chubby women?
These are all signs what men preferred then.
OrchidThief
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark2298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-12 18:24:46
May 12 2011 18:24 GMT
#2663
I really don't think this needs to be discussed further, you're not trying to prove fermats equation, this isn't rocketscience, you're arguing semantics that really don't matter. The show is close enough to portraying middle age, and whether slightly bigger women were considered more beautiful is beside the point. Especially as neither of the two women are significantly larger or smaller than the other.
Cylon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States124 Posts
May 12 2011 18:28 GMT
#2664
On May 13 2011 03:19 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2011 01:58 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On May 13 2011 00:43 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 13 2011 00:32 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On May 12 2011 23:18 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 12 2011 23:06 Kickboxer wrote:
Well the way I pictured her in the books as a ravishing young beauty with silver hair and purple eyes I expected something more along the lines of a pimped up Adriana Lima. This actress kinda looks like your regular middle-age platinum blonde :p

I have to say the rest of the cast is amazing, though. And so is the series!

Nobody in middle ages looked like Adriana Lima. And Adriana Lima is not that hot, she is just underfed. In middle ages such a woman would be considered ugly.
BTW, how do you know she is hot live. You only ever seen her with ton of make up and after photoshop magic was done like most of the "hot" famous women.

Game of Thrones does not take place on Earth nor in the Middle Ages. There's definitely a medieval influence but it's a mistake to examine the Middle Ages to explain Game of Thrones.

By the way, calorie restriction is quite promising. Since Adriana Lima does not need to suffer from malnutrition to maintain her figure, it's possible her low caloric intake is better. So it might be misleading to say she's underfed. But we don't know how much she eats. She could be eating more than women who weigh more than her if she's also exercising more.

For all intents and purposes it is middle ages (especially since there is almost no magic at this time). Martin even admitted he used War of the Roses to base his world around (Westeros at least).

Lol, don't go all science on us. Underfed was a descriptive term that I like to use for all models (most of them are really underfed).

Yes, Adriana Lima probably exercises a lot and has access to any kind of food she wants, which she would not have in Westeros and she would not exercise in such a manner.

And as someone said, Dany is 13 in the books (16 in the show), Adriana Lima is what? 25?

Martin's primary intent or purpose was to create a fictional world in which his drama can play out. There are inevitably many influences on the world he created. But ultimately Martin can use each one to whatever extent he wants and he can make stuff up whenever he wants. It's a ridiculous exercise to refer back to one of his influences to theorize about something he hasn't explained. And your foray into such an exercise was exceptionally poor. I could agree that Daenerys should probably have a higher body fat percentage than Adriana Lima has but you chose to widen the scope beyond any hope of validity.

'Underfed' is the wrong word to use but you stubbornly use it anyway. Then you say you use it for all models and admit that only most models are underfed. How am I supposed to respect you at all?

You should consider that learning things on your own and attempting to display your knowledge in public is a much worse practice than learning things both privately and publicly and using social interaction as an exchange rather than as a competition.

First of all English is not my 1st language and I try to explain my point the best I can.
And your last part was a personal attack which was not needed.

Now for the first part. I am sorry but I do not agree with you. We do not have any other reference but middle ages and whether you agree or not it is extremely close to it by his descriptions. This whole exercise is a guessing game and if we take upon your logic then it is pointless to discuss anything about Martin's world because your argument can be used for anything that does not fit your (or anyone) version. How did I widen the scope? You deny that women were in the past (and even today in some parts of the world) judged by their ability to have children and that most considered those that were not thin and underfed to be the more fertile ones?
Also you deny that art in the past mostly showed us fatter and chubby women?
These are all signs what men preferred then.


Did you read the books?
Many of the characters are described as being slender and beautiful in the eyes of the characters. Sure they did judge the women in their ability to have children but it wasn't near the top of the list unless they were known to be infertile or something like that.
DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
May 12 2011 18:37 GMT
#2665
On May 13 2011 03:24 OrchidThief wrote:
I really don't think this needs to be discussed further, you're not trying to prove fermats equation, this isn't rocketscience, you're arguing semantics that really don't matter. The show is close enough to portraying middle age, and whether slightly bigger women were considered more beautiful is beside the point. Especially as neither of the two women are significantly larger or smaller than the other.

I agree. I also think that Dany is portrayed perfectly. The actress is beautiful in her role.
apalemorning
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada509 Posts
May 12 2011 18:37 GMT
#2666
hey, i've never read game of thrones before. will i enjoy the series from a sheer fantasy/hbomakesgoodfuckingtvshows aspect?
immortal/roach is pretty good against stalkers
Cylon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States124 Posts
May 12 2011 18:39 GMT
#2667
On May 13 2011 03:37 apalemorning wrote:
hey, i've never read game of thrones before. will i enjoy the series from a sheer fantasy/hbomakesgoodfuckingtvshows aspect?


I would say yes, but im biased because I have read the books.
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
May 12 2011 18:41 GMT
#2668
Yes.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
apalemorning
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada509 Posts
May 12 2011 18:42 GMT
#2669
thanks dudes will watch asap!
immortal/roach is pretty good against stalkers
GwSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1997 Posts
May 12 2011 18:44 GMT
#2670
On May 13 2011 03:16 Eishi_Ki wrote:


Good to see some development of Barristan! About time!


Fuck yes, Barristan. Can't wait for this ep
Starfox
Profile Joined April 2010
Austria699 Posts
May 12 2011 18:46 GMT
#2671
On May 13 2011 01:01 Disquiet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2011 16:51 betaV1.25 wrote:
On May 10 2011 20:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On May 10 2011 20:37 Hydro wrote:
On May 10 2011 20:28 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
for the board game fanatics out there: the got board game is really good

If you have it Naz bring it out to MLG Colum.

I absolutely have it but won't be going to MLG Columbus!



Completly off topic, the boats are SO over te top its not funny anymore.

On topic:

I loved the dream of bran, the crow was maginificent. And the longer the show runs, the more i think the books are so much better. There just is not enough time to give a full view on all the chars. I dont think you can actually do that in a tv show or it will be very slow, but i really do miss it.
Allso, the wolfs need to be bigger, i need them to be freacking scary.


I'm fine with the wolves still being small for now as they are still growing. I think getting big wolfs to look good will be one of the hardest parts later in the series. If only this real life direwolf hadn't been shot .

[image loading]

Weird, the race seems to have died out 4000 years ago, yet one single spiceman survived to get shot and taken a photo.
on topic: I'm loving the pace of the show, it really seems to stress the <5min attentions span of some in this thread :D
Just imagine Dexter where could never be sure if he kills someone this episode, instead of this "come on.. I know he's gonna kill SOMEONE, just show me who"
Greek Mythology 2.0: Imagine Sisyphos as a man who wants to watch all videos on youtube... and Tityos as one who HAS to watch all of them.
Eishi_Ki
Profile Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1667 Posts
May 12 2011 19:38 GMT
#2672
On May 13 2011 03:37 apalemorning wrote:
hey, i've never read game of thrones before. will i enjoy the series from a sheer fantasy/hbomakesgoodfuckingtvshows aspect?


Absolutely, I got my two roommates into this and they're the least fantasy type guys you get.

If you like fantasy and hbo, why aren't you watching already?
SF-Fork
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Russian Federation1401 Posts
May 12 2011 19:47 GMT
#2673
Heh, I didn't know that the Direwolves or Canis Dirus was an actual extinct species. Had to google it to confirm!
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
May 12 2011 19:51 GMT
#2674
On May 13 2011 03:37 apalemorning wrote:
hey, i've never read game of thrones before. will i enjoy the series from a sheer fantasy/hbomakesgoodfuckingtvshows aspect?


I'm in the same boat as you and it's one of my favorite shows
dudeman001
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2412 Posts
May 12 2011 20:02 GMT
#2675
I've got so many finals to study for, but all it takes to cheer me up is checking out that gif in the OP lol. I can't wait for Sundays anymore :D
Sup.
Xeteh
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States589 Posts
May 12 2011 20:02 GMT
#2676
On May 13 2011 02:06 BleaK_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2011 01:58 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
You should consider that learning things on your own and attempting to display your knowledge in public is a much worse practice than learning things both privately and publicly and using social interaction as an exchange rather than as a competition.


Wise wise words.


Tyler - So chill yet so deep.

I think people are simply looking too deeply in to things and over-analyzing. As its been mentioned this isn't a medieval story, it doesn't originate on Earth... it is a fictional world to fit the story. Enjoy it for what it is and if you can't, if you can't look past something because its too unbelievable then Fantasy might not by your genre.
apalemorning
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada509 Posts
May 12 2011 20:44 GMT
#2677
sweet, two episodes in. fucking incredible so far. the tits per scene ratio is kinda ridiculous tho
immortal/roach is pretty good against stalkers
ChinaRestaurant
Profile Joined May 2008
Austria324 Posts
May 12 2011 20:59 GMT
#2678
On May 13 2011 03:46 Starfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2011 01:01 Disquiet wrote:
On May 11 2011 16:51 betaV1.25 wrote:
On May 10 2011 20:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On May 10 2011 20:37 Hydro wrote:
On May 10 2011 20:28 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
for the board game fanatics out there: the got board game is really good

If you have it Naz bring it out to MLG Colum.

I absolutely have it but won't be going to MLG Columbus!



Completly off topic, the boats are SO over te top its not funny anymore.

On topic:

I loved the dream of bran, the crow was maginificent. And the longer the show runs, the more i think the books are so much better. There just is not enough time to give a full view on all the chars. I dont think you can actually do that in a tv show or it will be very slow, but i really do miss it.
Allso, the wolfs need to be bigger, i need them to be freacking scary.


I'm fine with the wolves still being small for now as they are still growing. I think getting big wolfs to look good will be one of the hardest parts later in the series. If only this real life direwolf hadn't been shot .

[image loading]

Weird, the race seems to have died out 4000 years ago, yet one single spiceman survived to get shot and taken a photo.
on topic: I'm loving the pace of the show, it really seems to stress the <5min attentions span of some in this thread :D
Just imagine Dexter where could never be sure if he kills someone this episode, instead of this "come on.. I know he's gonna kill SOMEONE, just show me who"


The wolf might just have had a growth disorder. Not TOO uncommon, even with humans.

Concerning the wolves in the show: i hope they dont CGI the shit out of them.
SPAAAAAAACE
OrchidThief
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark2298 Posts
May 12 2011 21:19 GMT
#2679
On May 13 2011 05:59 ChinaRestaurant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2011 03:46 Starfox wrote:
On May 13 2011 01:01 Disquiet wrote:
On May 11 2011 16:51 betaV1.25 wrote:
On May 10 2011 20:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On May 10 2011 20:37 Hydro wrote:
On May 10 2011 20:28 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
for the board game fanatics out there: the got board game is really good

If you have it Naz bring it out to MLG Colum.

I absolutely have it but won't be going to MLG Columbus!



Completly off topic, the boats are SO over te top its not funny anymore.

On topic:

I loved the dream of bran, the crow was maginificent. And the longer the show runs, the more i think the books are so much better. There just is not enough time to give a full view on all the chars. I dont think you can actually do that in a tv show or it will be very slow, but i really do miss it.
Allso, the wolfs need to be bigger, i need them to be freacking scary.


I'm fine with the wolves still being small for now as they are still growing. I think getting big wolfs to look good will be one of the hardest parts later in the series. If only this real life direwolf hadn't been shot .

[image loading]

Weird, the race seems to have died out 4000 years ago, yet one single spiceman survived to get shot and taken a photo.
on topic: I'm loving the pace of the show, it really seems to stress the <5min attentions span of some in this thread :D
Just imagine Dexter where could never be sure if he kills someone this episode, instead of this "come on.. I know he's gonna kill SOMEONE, just show me who"


The wolf might just have had a growth disorder. Not TOO uncommon, even with humans.

Concerning the wolves in the show: i hope they dont CGI the shit out of them.


Agreed, but wouldn't it be hard to make giant rabid wolves the size of humans -- without CGI?
Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-12 21:28:42
May 12 2011 21:28 GMT
#2680
With shows like this I always get the feeling the people complaining about nudity and sex are watching it with the whole family or something. I admit, it' ll be rather uncomfortable to watch with your dear mother next to you while drogo goes all balls to the walls or w/e.
I' d however go so far as to say the books has more focus on sexual tensions but it isn't such a big drama because people read it alone, not together with other people.
That said, sex is one of the driving forces in humans and a defining part of any relationship. Much insight can be gained into a character by the way they fuck someone.

Anyway, great show so far. Here's to hoping it comes full circle and doesn't get cancelled somewhere halfway through season 2 or so.
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