EPTOn May 13 2014 05:19 Mensol wrote:
Is the Mountain the strongest fighter in Westeros?
Is the Mountain the strongest fighter in Westeros?
Time for another poll and theorycrafting I say
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fartosis77
Belgium461 Posts
Time for another poll and theorycrafting I say | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On May 13 2014 05:19 Mensol wrote: Is the Mountain the strongest fighter in Westeros? There was discussion about this before. He probably has the most physical strength, but he is considered reckless and not very intelligent, so it's possible that someone can outsmart him and win. Really hard to gauge who is really the best fighter at present time. | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On May 13 2014 04:49 Mafe wrote: So now I have to say this episode didn't convince me too much, as it brought up some basic questions about the westeros etc: Why would you even held a trial that could end in death penalty? Cause if the accused is about to be found guilty, he can call for trial by combat anyway? It's been discussed at bit already. Trial by combat existed in real life so we can infer some things from that. It was mainly reserved for disputes between nobles when there wasn't hard evidence or a confession to prove guilt. Justice in Westeros is dispensed by the local lord with a great deal of subjectivity. Examples from the show include: Davos losing his fingers for smuggling. Ned Stark beheading a night's watch deserter. Daenerys hearing petitioners and making judgments. Since justice is a thing nobles do, when two nobles are disputing each other (Tyrion v. Cerci), without evidence there isn't a clear way to settle the matter. So the two sides are allowed to have a duel to settle the matter. If they can't fight themselves, a champion can be used in their place. I can't help but these eastern cities make everything in westeros look insignificant. I feel the the power/number of people/apparent higher skills in magic resp. science (at least that's what I suppose they must have) should effect Westeros to a much higher effect. It's a staple of medieval literature that powerful foes lie to the east. In real life, the Arabs, Mongols and Byzantium were to the east. In Lord of the Rings Mordor was to the east. In GoT the Targaryens came from the east. And those bankers, well it simply doesnt make sense to me how they could establish themselves as an apparently independent power without an army themselves, while people around kill each other en masse. What if somebody decides to pay them a visit, kill them and rob all their money? Do they at least own the city they live in or what? The Iron Bank hasn't been explained very well yet, so I can only speculate. Tywin asserted that killing them off wouldn't work too well - someone else would take the dead banker's place. This suggests that the Iron Bank is an international institution rather than a large vault in one area. We also know from Dany's story line and Bronn's existence that mercenaries exist and work for money. That's good news to a bank that has lots of money. Or, you know, they could just bankroll team Stannis. Edit: Random speculation; the Iron Bank guys seem to know a lot about the economies of Westeros. Perhaps they know the Lannister's gold mines have run dry? Or am I simply applying too much logic to a fantasy storyline? Nah  Magic aside, the GoT world is supposed to be logical. | ||
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Abenrod
Chile26 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I saw an interview for HBO Latam (I'm from South America) and Pedro Pascal was saying that in preparation for the role, he trained with someone whose background included training with Jet Li. So he HAS to fight in this season. That plus the episode name and the small bit of fighting of the trailer should confirm it without reading the books. | ||
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Jandos
Czech Republic928 Posts
On May 13 2014 05:19 Mensol wrote: Is the Mountain the strongest fighter in Westeros? If we are talking about present times he is probably one of the "best". He is not so skillful but he is huge. All time he is nowhere close to aces like Arthur Dayne, two handed Jaime or younger Barristan Selmy IMHO | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On May 13 2014 04:49 Mafe wrote: So now I have to say this episode didn't convince me too much, as it brought up some basic questions about the westeros etc: Why would you even held a trial that could end in death penalty? Cause if the accused is about to be found guilty, he can call for trial by combat anyway? I can't help but these eastern cities make everything in westeros look insignificant. I feel the the power/number of people/apparent higher skills in magic resp. science (at least that's what I suppose they must have) should effect Westeros to a much higher effect. And those bankers, well it simply doesnt make sense to me how they could establish themselves as an apparently independent power without an army themselves, while people around kill each other en masse. What if somebody decides to pay them a visit, kill them and rob all their money? Do they at least own the city they live in or what? Or am I simply applying too much logic to a fantasy storyline? + Show Spoiler + Also this CGI in the trailer with sansa and littlefinger looks horrible to me. Almost on the "Tyrion gets dragged over the battlefield"-level. edit: Ofc I'm late to the party, if some points have been discussed before, just ignore me. If you demand a trial by combat, you are technically asking to fight yourself. You are able to name a champion to fight for you instead, but they aren't forced to do so. Tyrion made a large gamble in S1 when he demanded trial by combat, as no one there was obligated to fight for him and he would have had to fight if it came to that, which would have resulted in a very different outcome. Here it is a gamble for the same reasons, he has to find somebody who is willing to fight for his innocence. It's not a "get-out-of-jail-free" card against the death penalty or anything. If a random peasant was on trial here demanding a trial by combat would be suicide. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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Epoxide
Magic Woods9326 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On May 13 2014 05:51 AsnSensation wrote: btw is Mace Tyrell supposed to be such a pushover? I think it's funny how the lord of such a big house is getting bullied around by everyone (although at least in the show it seems like his mum is still the real Boss of the Tyrell family) haha yeah. I really like how he's portrayed in this show. Goes to show how the real powers lurk behind the scenes. I died laughing when Tywin told him to fetch his pen and paper and he did so dutifully like a child. On May 13 2014 05:22 fartosis77 wrote: Time for another poll and theorycrafting I say No need. The answer is Hodor | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
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Paperplane
Netherlands1823 Posts
On May 13 2014 05:51 AsnSensation wrote: btw is Mace Tyrell supposed to be such a pushover? I think it's funny how the lord of such a big house is getting bullied around by everyone (although at least in the show it seems like his mum is still the real Boss of the Tyrell family) Yeah he is. I loved how they all rolled their eyes when he stood up to get the paper. I think it's just a game to Tywin now to see how far he can push him. | ||
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fartosis77
Belgium461 Posts
On May 13 2014 06:03 Skynx wrote: I think this whole Shae incident is a bit overlooked. For sure she knew Tyrion was lying by saying "You're a whore", she is too smart to believe that. I think he is part of some plan with Varys on saving Tyrion and that last few words just fucked the entire thing up. Why would he be so keen to getting her on a boat then? He wants her out of harms way before he's put to trial so that she can live on. I really think he was just raging as even his so called one friend left (Podrick went away, Bronn gone) betrays him! | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
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Szgk
Poland112 Posts
On May 13 2014 05:12 AsnSensation wrote: The official title of episode 4.08 is "The Moutain vs The Viper" No it isn't. It's "The Mountain and The Viper". There is one episode each season named this way and it does not always imply a duel between one and the other: s01e05 "The Wolf and the Lion" - duel between Ned Stark and Jaime Lannister. s02e06 "The Old Gods and the New" - no epic battles between Gods in this one. Probably refers to what is happening in King's Landing (angry mob tears the High Septon to pieces) s03e07 "The Bear and the Maiden Fair" - Brienne does briefly face an actual bear in a fighting pit but the animal is put down by a crossbow shot so I wouldn't call it a duel. "The Bear and the Maiden Fair" is also the name of a Westerosi folk song. EDIT: also s04e02 "The Lion and the Rose" - Margaery's (rose sigil) and Joffrey's (stag sigil, but makes more sense to call him lion) wedding. There is some sort of confrontation because of House Tyrell's involvement in the events. Stray observation: the episode number named with this pattern increases by 1 each season. EDIT: Nvm :D | ||
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Jandos
Czech Republic928 Posts
just pictures, no spoil + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/LWpfa4a.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Rs3Zf2M.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://24.media.tumblr.com/6e60f97995dd8027ff9c50039a188442/tumblr_n52vyceuiC1r2stmjo1_1280.jpg) | ||
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On May 13 2014 06:43 Szgk wrote: No it isn't. It's "The Mountain and The Viper". There is one episode each season named this way and it does not always imply a duel between one and the other: s01e05 "The Wolf and the Lion" - duel between Ned Stark and Jaime Lannister. s02e06 "The Old Gods and the New" - no epic battles between Gods in this one. Probably refers to what is happening in King's Landing (angry mob tears the High Septon to pieces) s03e07 "The Bear and the Maiden Fair" - Brienne does briefly face an actual bear in a fighting pit but the animal is put down by a crossbow shot so I wouldn't call it a duel. "The Bear and the Maiden Fair" is also the name of a Westerosi folk song. Stray observation: the episode number named with this pattern increases by 1 each season. Don't forget "The Lion and the Rose", S04E02. That means your stray observation is wrong, hehe. | ||
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Szgk
Poland112 Posts
On May 13 2014 06:52 Spaylz wrote: Don't forget "The Lion and the Rose", S04E02. That means your stray observation is wrong, hehe. Darn, I liked how neat it was :D | ||
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oGoZenob
France1503 Posts
On May 13 2014 05:29 Jandos wrote: If we are talking about present times he is probably one of the "best". He is not so skillful but he is huge. All time he is nowhere close to aces like Arthur Dayne, two handed Jaime or younger Barristan Selmy IMHO He's asking for the strongest, not the best, and I think we can all agree that noone is stronger than the mountain atm ^^ | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On May 13 2014 07:29 oGoZenob wrote: He's asking for the strongest, not the best, and I think we can all agree that noone is stronger than the mountain atm ^^ Hodor! | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
I think the difference in "The Wolf and the Lion" and "The Lion and the Rose" is that those two episodes mark the shifts in power we see - the other episodes have other themes, and they reference two things that aren't sigils. Mountain and Viper are both monikers. With "The Wolf and the Lion", you had the Starks losing ground to the Lannisters over control of Robert as Ned got caught in all these court affairs he has no experience nor patience with. In "The Lion and the Rose", you now have the Lannisters becoming more and more dependent on the Tyrells, and Joffrey's death marks the point where Littlefinger abandons the Lannisters and instead backs the Tyrells. | ||
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