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On May 12 2014 17:54 CatfooD wrote:
I mean, if they really believed that the gods would let the human's know who is right by letting their champion win the combat match, why would it matter who each person chose to fight if both sides believe they are telling the truth? By their rationale, my grandmother would be as effective at fighting the Mountain as Bronn if Tyrion was innocent. Likewise, if the fighter had something to do with determining the truth of the trial by being more skilled/stronger than the other fighter, what is the point of a trial by combat where the gods decide the victor?
It's such a shallow gimmick in my opinion that at least deserves more history and background in the show to try and explain some of these loose ends.
The people of Westeros, at least the nobility, are probably aware that Trial By Combat is a rather archaic tradition. However, it just serves them so well: He who can afford a great fighter on his payroll has little to fear in court. So why have it changed?
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On May 12 2014 13:45 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
I don't understand how it's fair that you can always demand a trial by combat. Does that mean people like Jaime, Barristan, the Hound, etc can literally do whatever they want and then just demand a trial by combat afterwards?
I think no. Afaik .. Trial by combat can only be demanded when there are absence of witnesses or there's no concrete evidence against the accused.
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I'm getting this close to just skipping all the scenes with reek and the Bolton bastard. The tension is just to much.
Also the biggest cliffhanger yet, it's going to be a long week.
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I wish varys and littlefinger would split the crown and just dual lead.
So what is the deal with varys anyways. He reveals that he wants the crown, he seemed aware of the kings death before it happens. His birds keep him informed of all doing of the world. Is he backing dany? He wants stablity of the realm, isn't the targerean way the strongest option for that? And the whole "can i ask the witness one question, you said the city would be lost without me, have you forgotten" and he gives a cryptic "i never forget a thing".
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is PV for next episode out already? Must see.
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On May 12 2014 18:00 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 17:54 CatfooD wrote:
I mean, if they really believed that the gods would let the human's know who is right by letting their champion win the combat match, why would it matter who each person chose to fight if both sides believe they are telling the truth? By their rationale, my grandmother would be as effective at fighting the Mountain as Bronn if Tyrion was innocent. Likewise, if the fighter had something to do with determining the truth of the trial by being more skilled/stronger than the other fighter, what is the point of a trial by combat where the gods decide the victor?
It's such a shallow gimmick in my opinion that at least deserves more history and background in the show to try and explain some of these loose ends. The people of Westeros, at least the nobility, are probably aware that Trial By Combat is a rather archaic tradition. However, it just serves them so well: He who can afford a great fighter on his payroll has little to fear in court. So why have it changed?
Well ignoring trial by combat would be ignoring their religion. And just like in medieval England, in Westeros all Kings are proclaimed by the priests of the Seven. Religion and kingship go hand in hand.
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I guess before going through the whole trial with the witnesses it would have made sense to ask Tyrion if he wants a trial by combat.
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On May 12 2014 19:36 urboss wrote:
I guess before going through the whole trial with the witnesses it would have made sense to ask Tyrion if he wants a trial by combat.
Wouldn't you first whant to hear/see what the evidence is, before you put your life on the line by combat ?
Anyone can lose a fight, so it's better to wait and use it when you got no other options.
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The Rains of Castamere music during the last part of the episode where he demands trial by combat, orgasm zomg :||||
Davos was a beast today aswell, excellent performance! I don't even want to know how they are going to finish this season, holy shit
I pray to the gods that Cersei dies a miserable death, one day or the other. Evil bitch.
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On May 12 2014 19:43 Vladix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 19:36 urboss wrote:
I guess before going through the whole trial with the witnesses it would have made sense to ask Tyrion if he wants a trial by combat. Wouldn't you first whant to hear/see what the evidence is, before you put your life on the line by combat ? Anyone can lose a fight, so it's better to wait and use it when you got no other options.
He pretty much had no option. The whole trial was just a showing, even Jamie said it and told Tyrion he is going to be found guilty.
Tywin said so as well pretty much when him and Jamie were talking.
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this episode holy fucking shit
masterful performance by Peter Dinklage
i know nothing about acting but that was amazing to watch .. this is interesting :D
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how exactly did shae end up on the witness stand?
didn't bron say she was long gone?
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On May 12 2014 21:53 Frolossus wrote:
how exactly did shae end up on the witness stand?
didn't bron say she was long gone?
It was hinted that nothing was heard from her in a while so that was considered "good news". But we never saw where and how she ended up.
The fact that she was found in Tyrion's quarters and that maid (or w/e, I'm bad with names) reported her, and the fact that Tywin asked for her to be brought to him after the wedding (was it?), implies that she's probably doing it to save her own ass, facing execution otherwise.
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On May 12 2014 17:54 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 17:46 CatfooD wrote:
Did no one catch Grand Maester Pycelle saying "Mormont is spying on her for us?" to Lord Varys in reference to Danaerys? Jorah has been Varys' spy on her this entire time!? Season 1 started with him already on her side, so we didn't get to see him join her with his motives like we did Ser Barristan Selmy. So what is Ser Jorah's motives for spying on her this whole time, and now supposedly truly being on her side?
Also, no one seems to have mentioned that the Iron Bank appears to have decided to fund Stannis. Ser Davos had a whole booklet of silver stags to give to Salador for his service to Stannis' cause apparently? Varys also said that Mormont is no longer spying for them and has joined Dany. And yes, Davos had new money for Salador so it is logical they got the money from the Iron Bank.
I would also add that we did see him before he betrayed westeros because if you remember he did send word that Danny was pregnant and only betrayed them once the assassin was sent to kill her.
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On May 12 2014 21:53 Frolossus wrote:
how exactly did shae end up on the witness stand?
didn't bron say she was long gone?
I think he said she got on the boat, but maybe she got off by herself or the Lannisters brought her off.
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Did anyone else notice how the supposedly vicious dogs were in fact wagging their tails quite happily during the Theon scene?
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On May 12 2014 19:43 Vladix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 19:36 urboss wrote:
I guess before going through the whole trial with the witnesses it would have made sense to ask Tyrion if he wants a trial by combat. Wouldn't you first whant to hear/see what the evidence is, before you put your life on the line by combat ? Anyone can lose a fight, so it's better to wait and use it when you got no other options.
It would have made more sense to give Tyrion a choice between normal trial and trial by combat BEFORE the evidence was presented. This way Tyrion would have had to choose without knowledge of the evidence. And he wouldn't have been able to call for trial by combat afterwards.
Given that we have seen 2 trials by combat already, it seems to be a pretty common thing in Westeros.
It is hard to believe that the big Tywin Lannister wouldn't have thought of that option.
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I have no words for that last scene. Just... wow!
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Why are so many people discounting bronn as being tyrions champion? There seems to be litterally no reasoning behind it and it smells like spoilers to me :|
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I guess Jaime would make more sense to be called, because we saw him visiting Tyrion in the dungeon. There is some connection between them.
The last time we saw Tyrion speak with Bronn was at the wedding, when they talked about the save departure of Shae. Since that didn't work out so well, Tyrion may have suspicions concerning Bronn.
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