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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-14 15:17:01
October 14 2020 15:07 GMT
#121
What was surprsingly good for me, especially 2nd season, was the writing of the relationship issues. They mostly made sense and they took more time for that than expected. The main plot in contrast was often not logical. Then again I guess that can be excused for this type of superhero story.

Oh and Antony Starr is just spectacular. It is fun to rewind and just focus on his face, it is amazing. Maybe they went a bit too far with the character though. I wonder where they can even go from here, it was already so over the top.
Off-season = best season
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-14 19:53:22
October 14 2020 19:43 GMT
#122
On October 15 2020 00:05 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2020 02:42 N.geNuity wrote:
I didnt like the last episode battle but eh, they closed some items they needed to and may get to be more of a political thriller than only The Boys running around vs the seven, which is needed for series longevity.

The fight of the 4 girls was so lame. :D
So many cuts to make sure you could not actually see any of their movements. I get it, they are not martial artists. But they could have at least trained a little to be able to make some decent punches / kicks on camera.

Btw Stormfront's action scenes have always been bad. She looks so silly when she throws her lightning and stuff. You can see this is not a strength of the actress.


Yea, they had to cut it this way to make the fight look better, imagine how many hours all those actors must spend on choreography in order to make it look convenient (like the very first duel from the first Matrix movie between Neo and Morpheus), especially w/o special training or sports background (aka captain america is an ex dancer). Also this is the case with many other TV shows, even The Witcher had a few bad fight scenes which makes no sens from dueling point of view.

One of the episodes of "Stuntmen react to bad and great stunts" series by Corridor Crew discussed a scene from S1 with Maeve training session, they pointed out a number of cuts Overall they do have a very recommended content, since they provide so many insights and specific details about movie/video production from different points of view (VFX, stunts, production, etc).
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Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2538 Posts
October 15 2020 00:54 GMT
#123
On October 15 2020 00:05 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2020 02:42 N.geNuity wrote:
I didnt like the last episode battle but eh, they closed some items they needed to and may get to be more of a political thriller than only The Boys running around vs the seven, which is needed for series longevity.

The fight of the 4 girls was so lame. :D
So many cuts to make sure you could not actually see any of their movements. I get it, they are not martial artists. But they could have at least trained a little to be able to make some decent punches / kicks on camera.

Btw Stormfront's action scenes have always been bad. She looks so silly when she throws her lightning and stuff. You can see this is not a strength of the actress.

Yeah Stromfront's actress was really bad this season. She was not convincing as a 100 year old Nazi whatsoever. She had way too much of a valley girl vibe with passive aggressive comments and sarcasm. Her racist speeches also seemed really disingenuous, like she didn't believe what she was saying at all and was forced to say those lines. The actress came off more as a teenage girl pretending to be an evil villain (which makes sense because that's exactly what she was doing).
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17257 Posts
October 15 2020 07:36 GMT
#124
What I'd actually like to see is more of the really bad fights without the cuts. I mean, it would make sense for such super heroes - why train in fighting when you're super strong and practically invincible and before the events of S1 they were going against regular humans? It would add some flavor to the show in my opinion, showing them trying to cope with the idea of having to fight other supes for a change where your regular tactics and reliance on strength just won't cut it any more.

Could've been an interesting angle.
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
October 15 2020 14:47 GMT
#125
We can see Maeve training against regular humans in the first season. I think at least Maeve and BlackNoir are highly trained.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17257 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-15 15:43:08
October 15 2020 15:40 GMT
#126
But that's the point. Against regular humans - supe vs supe fights should be a novelty for most of them and it would be reasonable for them to look awkward and ungainly.

Kinda how you train some martial arts and it's all cool and well when in a controlled environment but then you get into a real fight in the street and realize it is nothing like that.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
October 15 2020 18:16 GMT
#127
True would be funny comedic angle as the show in reality is just a comedy lol.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25284 Posts
October 15 2020 23:10 GMT
#128
On October 15 2020 09:54 Hyperbola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2020 00:05 Redox wrote:
On October 11 2020 02:42 N.geNuity wrote:
I didnt like the last episode battle but eh, they closed some items they needed to and may get to be more of a political thriller than only The Boys running around vs the seven, which is needed for series longevity.

The fight of the 4 girls was so lame. :D
So many cuts to make sure you could not actually see any of their movements. I get it, they are not martial artists. But they could have at least trained a little to be able to make some decent punches / kicks on camera.

Btw Stormfront's action scenes have always been bad. She looks so silly when she throws her lightning and stuff. You can see this is not a strength of the actress.

Yeah Stromfront's actress was really bad this season. She was not convincing as a 100 year old Nazi whatsoever. She had way too much of a valley girl vibe with passive aggressive comments and sarcasm. Her racist speeches also seemed really disingenuous, like she didn't believe what she was saying at all and was forced to say those lines. The actress came off more as a teenage girl pretending to be an evil villain (which makes sense because that's exactly what she was doing).

It’s a bit, jarring.

It feels like she’s a Gen Zer pretending to be a closet Nazi rather than the inverse. Like the heinous racism is the performative part for some reason. I don’t blame the actress I think she’s actually pretty good it’s just how she’s written.

Anyone know what she was saying in German incidentally? The subtitles I put on for rewatching the scene informed me she was speaking German, which I’d figured out already.

I think the problem with this show come season 2 and seemingly every show I ever watch nowadays is the pacing is allllll over the place. It’s like character development is occurring on separate timelines. Stormfront came into our lives, killed some people, showed social media savvy and was revealed to be an ancient literal Nazi in the time it took Kimiko to show my beloved Frenchie that in the sign language her and her brother devised that the symbol for gun was making a gun shape.

I enjoyed season 2 more than others here, less than season 1.

Perhaps a bold claim but have we passed the ‘Golden Age of Television?’ My issue isn’t with The Boys I’m particular, this pacing issue seems to be consistently blighting basically every show I get invested in and the rot sets in pretty early.

My crude hypothesis is that the market is so saturated with content that if you have a hit that gets traction, you have to strike while the iron is hot. Whether that’s studio pressure or whatever I’m not sure.

Be it the final season of Game of Thrones trying to cram at least 2 seasons of plot into one, or this Boys season which feels like at least the skeleton of 2 if not 3 seasons of material, amongst others.

Curious what y’all think about that, I’m sure there’s some well-paced gems of shows that I’m missing out there. It’s unfair to compare x show to something like Breaking Bad, but really it’s feeling an exception in terms of pacing plot and character development when people should aspire for it to be the model.

If Breaking Bad came out now, had a great reception for its first season can you imagine how much it would suffer from cramming in the rest of it into a few more seasons?

You don’t get a character like Gus with his intriguing menace gradually get fleshed out. Speaking of Gus must be a hell of a gig for the Edgar actor as it is almost note for note the same character.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-15 23:55:03
October 15 2020 23:54 GMT
#129
On October 16 2020 08:10 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2020 09:54 Hyperbola wrote:
On October 15 2020 00:05 Redox wrote:
On October 11 2020 02:42 N.geNuity wrote:
I didnt like the last episode battle but eh, they closed some items they needed to and may get to be more of a political thriller than only The Boys running around vs the seven, which is needed for series longevity.

The fight of the 4 girls was so lame. :D
So many cuts to make sure you could not actually see any of their movements. I get it, they are not martial artists. But they could have at least trained a little to be able to make some decent punches / kicks on camera.

Btw Stormfront's action scenes have always been bad. She looks so silly when she throws her lightning and stuff. You can see this is not a strength of the actress.

Yeah Stromfront's actress was really bad this season. She was not convincing as a 100 year old Nazi whatsoever. She had way too much of a valley girl vibe with passive aggressive comments and sarcasm. Her racist speeches also seemed really disingenuous, like she didn't believe what she was saying at all and was forced to say those lines. The actress came off more as a teenage girl pretending to be an evil villain (which makes sense because that's exactly what she was doing).

Speaking of Gus must be a hell of a gig for the Edgar actor as it is almost note for note the same character.

I'm not complaining, fucking love Gus/Edgar
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25284 Posts
October 16 2020 00:09 GMT
#130
On October 16 2020 08:54 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2020 08:10 WombaT wrote:
On October 15 2020 09:54 Hyperbola wrote:
On October 15 2020 00:05 Redox wrote:
On October 11 2020 02:42 N.geNuity wrote:
I didnt like the last episode battle but eh, they closed some items they needed to and may get to be more of a political thriller than only The Boys running around vs the seven, which is needed for series longevity.

The fight of the 4 girls was so lame. :D
So many cuts to make sure you could not actually see any of their movements. I get it, they are not martial artists. But they could have at least trained a little to be able to make some decent punches / kicks on camera.

Btw Stormfront's action scenes have always been bad. She looks so silly when she throws her lightning and stuff. You can see this is not a strength of the actress.

Yeah Stromfront's actress was really bad this season. She was not convincing as a 100 year old Nazi whatsoever. She had way too much of a valley girl vibe with passive aggressive comments and sarcasm. Her racist speeches also seemed really disingenuous, like she didn't believe what she was saying at all and was forced to say those lines. The actress came off more as a teenage girl pretending to be an evil villain (which makes sense because that's exactly what she was doing).

Speaking of Gus must be a hell of a gig for the Edgar actor as it is almost note for note the same character.

I'm not complaining, fucking love Gus/Edgar

Gusgar is bloody excellent.

To comic readers specifically, is the social commentary quite as on the nose as some of it is the show? Maybe it’s being quite active discussing politics and social issues, as some of you have unfortunately been subjected to on this very site, but some of it feels really overly explicitly stated. Especially for something which has quite a satirical bent.

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
October 16 2020 00:15 GMT
#131
On October 16 2020 08:10 WombaT wrote:

Anyone know what she was saying in German incidentally? The subtitles I put on for rewatching the scene informed me she was speaking German, which I’d figured out already.


I saw a translation on reddit, was pretty much her reminiscing about her daughter.
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4163 Posts
March 12 2022 22:00 GMT
#132
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17257 Posts
March 13 2022 04:56 GMT
#133

Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17257 Posts
June 08 2022 15:15 GMT
#134
First 3 episodes of a new season are very strong. I'm glad that we have a show that boldly goes where few TV shows dare these days. The writing is great, cinematography is very good but what really elevates it is the acting. Anthony Starr as Homelander sends chills down my spine every time he's on the screen and even more second-plan roles like Kimiko have Karen Fukuhara show off her talent. Not often do you see a mute character where the actress has to do some heavy lifting with her body language and expressions and I think she nails it, the viewer always knows what she's feeling both externally and regarding to any internal turmoil she might have.

Time to strap in for a ride.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-11 02:40:16
June 11 2022 02:33 GMT
#135
Episode 4 spoiler .. not sure if spoilers are allowed here but I suspect so since I read back and there are spoilers, still making it a spoiler tag.

+ Show Spoiler +


Saw episode 4 and talking about "BCL Red" as super weapon that supposedly killed Soldier Boy; After seeing the episode...

(Solider)
[B]oy
[C]hest
[L]aser
[R]ed

... This reads a bit akward but seeing the effect of the laser I suppose it would make sense. Interested to see where they take this. Personally I understand that a big part of the show is the thrill that Homelander is untouchable and you really don't know what he will do - only what he could do.

***2nd thought: It might be they killed soldier boy and kind of build the weapon into him / reanimated him and turned him into a Russian weapon against Homelander I guess.

I love the episodes but I hope its not some kind of GoT Night King buildup or Batman vs Superman cheap solution. Thats the issue I have with Homelander / general god-like powers in superheroes.

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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
June 11 2022 03:15 GMT
#136
There's no way Vaught doesn't have something special for homelander, to keep him in line or to kill him if needed.
+ Show Spoiler +
They had one in the comic, but it should be pretty obvious by now that the show is going in a new direction and it cannot be the same.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17257 Posts
June 17 2022 18:09 GMT
#137
Holy shit, this show just keeps getting better and better. S3E5 is bloody brilliant. Excellent writing, great character development and reveals. I only wish I could binge all of it.
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PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
June 17 2022 18:54 GMT
#138
Man.. imho there is just so little really "new stuff" happening.. So im rather dissapointed with this season compared to S2 but S1 in particular..
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17257 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-17 20:06:47
June 17 2022 19:43 GMT
#139
On June 18 2022 03:54 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Man.. imho there is just so little really "new stuff" happening.. So im rather dissapointed with this season compared to S2 but S1 in particular..


Well, this entire comic and show is centered around a small group of regular people trying to go against the superpowered people. It's not like you have a lot of room to get a lot new stuff there. We do get to see new superpowers, the ebb and flow of political/media power is constantly changing etc. I don't really know what kind of "new stuff" you'd like to see? For me there's plenty of new stuff all the time

Especially if you compare it to the latest Stranger Things, where I think I stopped watching after 4-5 episodes and completely forgotten about the show until now
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PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
June 18 2022 11:58 GMT
#140
Yeah I dont know.. but I feel precisely the same thing you feel about Stranger Things for The Boys too..

Dont get me wrong. Im still watching (both actually) but I was HYPED and AMAZED by both Series in Season 1 and now Im "just watching them"

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