Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker SPOILERS ALLOWED - Page 7

On December 21 2019 19:43 Gorsameth wrote:
Leia being a force user was an EU storyline (books that carried to story on past 6) which were all scrapped by Disney.

Its fan service without bothering to explain it for people not 'in the know'.

On December 21 2019 09:14 Sermokala wrote:
I mean I'm not saying that its a great movie but if you judge it based on everything it has to do ala avengers age of ultron. The worst thing about the last Jedi in retrospective is about how much time and space it wastes. 9 had to go bigger then star killer base, bigger then snokes super ship thing. It had to give the backstory and character development for the entire main cast, main story, side threads, a major character's actor dieing irl in the middle of production, deliver fan service and callbacks for even older movies. All within a new director and less than the usual production I would genuinely fight over the fact that there were some really great moments in this movie and it deserves to be a number 5 movie (orignal three rouge one TFA?)

People who say that its as bad as the prequels are crazy. The prequels are true abominations.

On December 22 2019 02:39 stilt wrote:


The prequels are true abomination because it's trying to actually go a bit deeper with setting SW in a dense political background, you invented stuff like "bad writing" while judging the generic writing of the VII amazing, madness considering Rey, Finn and Poe are the epitome of stock characters. The true SW fans only want shallow remake of the OT with the same dialogues of a marvel movie with a 80s vibes. That's creepy nostalgia, any kind of thinking and slightly intellectual stuff is basically forbidden. There is no context and extended universe (how can someone relate to sth as vain ?) neither coherence (how can the first order be so powerful after the Empire defeat?), one is dark the other is good, the end. All in all, I felt ridiculous watching TFA as if I was insulted, I asked for a SW, and sth a bit more than a pure entairtenement with a good universe, not a stupid remake.

Lucas was bullied to death and now what you get is just fan service filled with ridiculous things without any coherence or contextualization and silly jokes like marvel's, this kind of entairnement is so dumbing down. And while I didn't watch TLJ, Johnson who is a more inventive director than Abrams will even be got quite shitted on by toxic fans for it. The saga has been killed by his own community, how nice.

On December 22 2019 04:41 Vindicare605 wrote:


Well according these movies, Jedi training is totally optional. They looked at 6 movies and a TV show of established lore of what it takes to be a Jedi. Hard work, a good mentor, years of training and self sacrifice, meditation etc. Disney Star Wars looked at all that and said "nah, fuck all that we're just gonna hamfist our characters into super powered roles just because."

The true SW fans only want shallow remake of the OT with the same dialogues of a marvel movie with a 80s vibes.

On December 23 2019 05:09 Garbels wrote:
Whats up with the ending?
It seems to me like the intended conclusion they want to give the audiene is that the good guys won while in reallity Palpatine got what he wanted, no?

He might not have died exactly like he ordered but I find it hart to believe that his 30 year masterplan war luring someone into his lair with no preparation and hope that they kill you in some speciffic way.

On December 22 2019 03:28 Sermokala wrote:

This is absolute nonsense. It doesn't go deeper into Star wars, It doesn't have a dense political background. You never get a real answer on why the trade federation is rebelling nor does it go anywhere in the star wars universe. It just tells you to accept that the jedi are still around and that guy papitine is totaly not the evil sith Emporer that you totally know him to be. It follows said papatine as he becomes the Emporer that you know hes going to be and the reveal that surprise hes the evil sith that you already know he is.

The whole thing starts off thin nonsense and never goes further. The entire premise of the first movie is an extended trade dispute that never gets discussed because .... I mean the audience is told its a front early, the jedi know its a front early. Yet it decides to half ass its way through the senate for some truly god awful politics scenes where everyone is just sitting and talking with shot-reverse shot (thank god the trilogy doesn't do this constantly oh wait....) Is te trade dispute resolved? What was the trade dispute in the beginning? Midiclorians making force users literal master race genetics. The literaly virgin birth of anakin. A galactic sprawling war over a trade dispute over a single planet with an army of literal bobo fet fan service vs angry c3po. .

If you didn't even watch TLJ why are you defending it and talking in this thread to begin with. Gee you don't like entertaining sci fi and you for some reason think fan service (like literally serving the fans what they want) is the devil. Congrats star wars weren't for you go to something you enjoy and not just shit on things you don't.

2001 a space odyssey is a terrible movie I think and stanley kubrick is an overrated cinematographer. We both have contrarian views to whats popular.

On December 23 2019 08:17 Sermokala wrote:

How did palpatine get what he wanted? his force lightning reflected back onto him and the sith temple was collapsed with his "last order" fleet being destroyed.

On December 23 2019 09:17 stilt wrote:


I don't understand why you're bringing on a Space odyssey, its reach is far different of SW. I like some entairtaning movies even when they have large flaws : I liked Valerian which makes your point wrong. Btw, while I cannot say the same for Jupiter ascending, I still find this movie way better than the VII, actually, the VII is the worst movie I've experienced, it's not even hyperbolic, Bright Star or The Wayward Cloud which are other movies I wholeheartly dislike didn't bother me as bad. I wanted a movie when I got a silly remake.

The entire premise of prelogy is how a trade conflict issued by a cunning politician can lead to civil war and a fall of democracy, we already knew how it ends, the last chapter makes it quite tragic, epic inspired by the old greek tragedies while discovering a lot of new worlds and for once on a american entairtenement movie, it doesn't end well, finally, the nice guys are losing with some epic stuffs around. We know they are gonna lose, the tension is worth it ! + It puts in question the selfless unattachement of the jedis, wow, a saga which actually goes a but beyond manicheism, let's cry about the few scenes which are showing the fonctionnement of the senat. Honestly, it's depressing. I am not gonna comment too much on the virgin birth of Anakin, Lucas basically connects the force mysticism to a christian one, something most people can relate/understand but apparently not. For the midiclorians, whatever, that's clearly not as shocking as Rey being a jedi master in the course of one journey. You're critic about the "sprawling war over a single planet" is really confusing, I'll just respond that it's not the blocus which ignates the war but the separatism of a lot of system backed by the commerce federation which has a army composed of a variety of robots and while it's a bit weird that Kamino birthed such an army, at least, we know from where come the clones and they are more realistically, great shooters.

In opposition to that, what you are craving for is : the empire got two gigantics fleets without anyone noticed after losing a war, oh and it got a bigger death star who kill billions of people like previously except we don't give a fuck because even in the movie, no one is related to it. This, the characters and the numerous deus ex machina add to the terrible writing. SW is becoming like a video game of the 80s with a final boss at the end or a sandbox in which a destroyer can erase a planet and the last replica "I am all the jedi" how can an adult relate to this, I guess nothing is stronger than nostalgia. Come on, the prelogy is incredibly better than this, that said, it's hard to be dumber than the sequel.

Too bad, a resurgence of the empire could have been good with the incorporations of new political entities like the chiss empire or whatever they would have come off but no, it would have been sth new but apparently, original equals bad. It's not only disney's choice I find terrible, it's society reaction to it, most of people on the internet were in awe on a badly writing remake who was more a fanfic written by a consensual dude without any kind of imagination and then when the new comes in, it got spit on just like Lucas was, to the point he actually sold his baby.

I like the prelogy, I like the OT even if I despise the fans who are considering it as the holy scriptures, I hate the sequel, those movies with a lazy and terrible writing (hence the fan service and deus ex machina, the stock characters, they even resurrected a main vilain for the sake of it) without any intern coherence. Marvel is not my cup of tea to say the very least but they managed to build a good set of things. Btw you might shit on as much as you want on the prelogy "I hate sand uh uh", it didn't contain in every image a "hidden" reference to the OT because it was its own story just like the OT wasn't filled with a bunch of exterior elements which are telling you to love it. And no, a saga is not about giving exactly what the fans want, it's about making good stuffs, Lucas was working for himself, not for entitled toxic fans and shareholders who want the most generic and boring movie ever. (TFA is a success in that regard)

Concerning TLJ, "unexpected" and "disrespecting the universe" are the main critics, it's not hard to postulate what was expected was a remake of the V with the same terrible writing/narrative. Too bad I am terrible in english, I'd have postulate as a scenarist, would have been ez money. It's crazy how people can become conservative and even reactionnary with any novelties when they begin to like something.

Finally, I am posting in this thread because I saw you praising this abomination while shitting on a great trilogy, I didn't bother much with people hating on the prelogy before but since TFA came out, I feel like you ruined something I liked so every times a sequel episode comes out, I am a bit salty for sure, seeing this disaster in comparaison of what could have been done. It was quite funny seeing all those people on youtube who loved TFA criticizing the IX, Bossuet had a very elegant formula to describe it : "god laughs at men who deplore the effects while they're cherishing the consequence". Anyway, it's my second post on the subject, I don't think there is anything I have to add.