EPTThat sure was disappointing, but then again so was the rest of this trilogy. At least it's all over now, right?
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Kittan
Poland3999 Posts
That sure was disappointing, but then again so was the rest of this trilogy. At least it's all over now, right? + Show Spoiler + | ||
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17576 Posts
On December 19 2019 07:45 riotjune wrote: Eh, guess I'll watch a cam copy or read a summary somewhere online after it comes out, that's how excited I am for this movie I think I might actually not ever see it. Sometimes I do that with movies that I've lost interest in and I don't even check them out when they're released in good quality later on streaming services or torrents. Just like I'll probably never see Terminator: Dark Fate. I'll watch some reviews and read a synopsis but that's it. I can't wait for Mr Plinkett to do his review of it, but that might take a while (seeing how his reviews of previous episodes are longer than the movies themselves). | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
Everything Im seeing after a cursory glance makes it seem like this movie will be bad and Cats is in theaters... If I'm going to see a bad movie I feel compelled to watch the frightening and bizarre fever dream bad rather than the Star Wars bad. Invalidating the original trilogy's big bad is just so... oof. I'm not even attached to Star Wars, basically at all, and I find that to be pretty shitty. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17576 Posts
TLDR: "This movie sodomizes itself." | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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hexhaven
Finland955 Posts
On December 20 2019 03:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Seems like JJ Abrams is in damage control mode. How Rian Johnson is even attached to other projects after, seemingly, screwed up this trilogy. 1) The Last Jedi made a whole bunch of money. 2) Knives Out has been extremely well received and will probably turn a decent profit. 3) Johnson must know how to play studio politics. The question is, was it Abrams, Johnson, Kennedy or something else entirely? Once those NDAs start expiring, maybe we'll find out. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18558 Posts
On December 20 2019 03:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Seems like JJ Abrams is in damage control mode. How Rian Johnson is even attached to other projects after, seemingly, screwed up this trilogy. Makes me wonder if we'll ever hear about the drama that happened behind the scenes of these three films. https://youtu.be/ohkpAdiSVNo https://youtu.be/wRJL46wWfUY You know that jj abrams started the shit? Rian johnson had to follow up from his shit | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On December 20 2019 06:32 sharkie wrote: You know that jj abrams started the shit? Rian johnson had to follow up from his shit Like that though? Abrams did a pretty solid job in making a generic popcorn film that had a good amount of whatever the intangible ‘flavour’ of Star Wars is. Foundation to build on and improve with the second entry, which I’m not sure Johnson really did. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22030 Posts
On December 20 2019 06:32 sharkie wrote: An issue is that Ryan fucked over the storylines from the first movie while making the second movie in a trilogy.You know that jj abrams started the shit? Rian johnson had to follow up from his shit But I won't even blame Ryan for that to much, he was (apparently) given full creative freedom to do what he wanted and that's what he did. The issue is that he should never have had that freedom. Someone is responsible for making sure that a trilogy stays on track, even if directors change and that was Kennedy's job. If they wanted to depart from what JJ made in TFA then he shouldn't have been brought back to make RoS, which from what I am hearing is trying to cram what should have been TLJ and RoS into one film. So JJ at least appears to have had a vision for the trilogy. The problem was that Ryan was allowed to depart from that (ignoring for now whatever or not JJ's vision was/is good enough, apparently it was Kennedy cause he came back for part 3...) | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17576 Posts
On December 20 2019 07:14 Gorsameth wrote: An issue is that Ryan fucked over the storylines from the first movie while making the second movie in a trilogy. But I won't even blame Ryan for that to much, he was (apparently) given full creative freedom to do what he wanted and that's what he did. The issue is that he should never have had that freedom. Someone is responsible for making sure that a trilogy stays on track, even if directors change and that was Kennedy's job. If they wanted to depart from what JJ made in TFA then he shouldn't have been brought back to make RoS, which from what I am hearing is trying to cram what should have been TLJ and RoS into one film. So JJ at least appears to have had a vision for the trilogy. The problem was that Ryan was allowed to depart from that (ignoring for now whatever or not JJ's vision was/is good enough, apparently it was Kennedy cause he came back for part 3...) An issue is that they didn't have a proper outline for the entire trilogy from the get go and then someone to enforce it so that even with different directors the overall vision would remain coherent. Edit: I will re-iterate here that I don't believe that with the money and reach Disney has they couldn't hire some strong story team (or even just a single person) to flesh everything out right out of the gate. Then you can get directors like JJ, who are competent but not very good storytellers themselves and just hand them over a ready script that they have to follow. Instead they've taken one of the least creative directors and one of the more creative oddballs and told them to do pretty much whatever the hell they want. It was doomed to fail from the start. I wouldn't blame it all on Ryan, sure he did fuck up, but a bigger fuck up was people actually hiring him for this job. I really liked his earlier movies and admired the creativity in them, but for an established franchise like SW, where you have millions of hardcore fans worldwide you need someone safe, not someone doing weird and artsy stuff. This is literally all they had to do: play it safe just to finish the Skywalker saga and appease the megafans. After that you can close the door on it and do whatever the heck you want with all the spinoffs, new trilogies and whatever. But they've done fucked it up. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17576 Posts
SW is one of the franchises with the highest revenue potential in the world yet they let it all go to waste because of terrible mismanagement. It's a pity to see it go up in flames like that. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On December 20 2019 07:31 Manit0u wrote: An issue is that they didn't have a proper outline for the entire trilogy from the get go and then someone to enforce it so that even with different directors the overall vision would remain coherent. Edit: I will re-iterate here that I don't believe that with the money and reach Disney has they couldn't hire some strong story team (or even just a single person) to flesh everything out right out of the gate. Then you can get directors like JJ, who are competent but not very good storytellers themselves and just hand them over a ready script that they have to follow. Instead they've taken one of the least creative directors and one of the more creative oddballs and told them to do pretty much whatever the hell they want. It was doomed to fail from the start. I wouldn't blame it all on Ryan, sure he did fuck up, but a bigger fuck up was people actually hiring him for this job. I really liked his earlier movies and admired the creativity in them, but for an established franchise like SW, where you have millions of hardcore fans worldwide you need someone safe, not someone doing weird and artsy stuff. This is literally all they had to do: play it safe just to finish the Skywalker saga and appease the megafans. After that you can close the door on it and do whatever the heck you want with all the spinoffs, new trilogies and whatever. But they've done fucked it up. This is what massively confuses me. You buy a franchise for a crazy amount of money and give Rian Johnson the reins for the second entry? I think the guy has a lot of talent, there are aspects of TLJ I do really like, some I definitely don’t but it’s a super disruptive film in the middle of such a franchise. With a few little tweaks I mean the confrontation on ‘not Hoth’ is almost what I’d put at the end of a trilogy, Kylo is defeated by a Luke Skywalker who subsequently dies, saving a decimated ‘not Rebels’ yadda yadda Instead you have a third film where Snoke is dead, there’s about 12 members of the Rebellion alive etc, it’s just a bit messy. Why there wasn’t more oversight here confuses me. George Lucas himself didn’t do a good job when nobody was there to challenge him and not be a yes man. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On December 20 2019 07:48 Manit0u wrote: On another note I think that people most to blame would be at the very top. Bob and Kathleen. They've just mishandled the franchise horribly, with the only good things to come out of it so far being Rogue One and Mandalorian. But even with that Disney is now bleeding money. People love baby yoda but Disney has no merch for it (an awful mug, that's it) while if you go over to AliExpress you get a bunch of cool stuff there that Chinese have already come up with. FFS even my wife ordered me a cool T-shirt with Mandalorian and baby yoda for like $7. SW is one of the franchises with the highest revenue potential in the world yet they let it all go to waste because of terrible mismanagement. It's a pity to see it go up in flames like that. Yeah, I've heard that they have had horrible luck selling merchandise (the key money maker of Star Wars, as we all should know by now) because they aren't able to make the right kind of merchandise that people actually want. Another example: the porg was something that should have been a best-seller (and people wanted them), but in their incompetence they couldn't make them the right color, right texture, etc. Dunno how - for all the hate that the prequel trilogy has garnered, at least they seemed to be very good at capitalizing on the merchandising opportunities that the films made. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17576 Posts
On December 20 2019 08:08 LegalLord wrote: Dunno how - for all the hate that the prequel trilogy has garnered, at least they seemed to be very good at capitalizing on the merchandising opportunities that the films made. Definitely. Darth Maul alone could be made into his own profitable franchise (and we're talking here about a character that was on the screen for 5-10 minutes and died). Then there was pod racing, all the droids and clones, Naboo court which was pretty much cosplayer's wet dream etc. The prequels weren't all that great but somehow still managed to feel like Star Wars. This new trilogy simply doesn't give out the proper vibes. Maybe TFA had a bit of it (and I think that the trilogy was completely salvagable after it), but TLJ made me completely disinterested in the story... Edit: Speaking of Maul, it's funny how such side character, who was barely in the movie and barely spoke was way more interesting than any of the main characters of this new trilogy. I know more about him than I know about Kylo. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4139 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On December 20 2019 11:46 Manit0u wrote: Definitely. Darth Maul alone could be made into his own profitable franchise (and we're talking here about a character that was on the screen for 5-10 minutes and died). Then there was pod racing, all the droids and clones, Naboo court which was pretty much cosplayer's wet dream etc. The prequels weren't all that great but somehow still managed to feel like Star Wars. This new trilogy simply doesn't give out the proper vibes. Maybe TFA had a bit of it (and I think that the trilogy was completely salvagable after it), but TLJ made me completely disinterested in the story... Edit: Speaking of Maul, it's funny how such side character, who was barely in the movie and barely spoke was way more interesting than any of the main characters of this new trilogy. I know more about him than I know about Kylo. Completely disagree on the Prequels, consider them good or bad they really didn’t have the Star Wars ‘feel to them. New trilogy has a ton of flaws, did have that though if nothing else | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
Absolutely everything not concerning him was complete and utter trash. Holy shit that movie was terrible. I mean yea it was enjoyable, but if you look at it with any ounce of critical thought it was complete and total rubbish. Rey's Mary Sue-ness reaches peak levels, the writing is God-awful and trivializes both the original trilogy and Episode XIII, and the pacing gives you whiplash. | ||
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