On December 20 2019 03:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Seems like JJ Abrams is in damage control mode. How Rian Johnson is even attached to other projects after, seemingly, screwed up this trilogy. Makes me wonder if we'll ever hear about the drama that happened behind the scenes of these three films.
You know that jj abrams started the shit? Rian johnson had to follow up from his shit
Naw. I blame JJ for a bunch of things- rebooting the Empire vs Rebels dynamic, not having a Jedi Academy up and running and not having Leia a Jedi master amongst other things.
However, TLJ is a mess of unequalled proportions all by itself.
It could be understandable (maybe) that it was incoherent to Star Wars as a whole and incoherent as a middle chapter to a trilogy (it's like Rian didn't think there was a third movie and his duty was to end all the plot lines of the first.) But it's a incoherent story on its own terms- just thinking of the story in isolation to itself. Chalk full of plot contrivances, terrible plotting, meaningless teasing and no delivery and preachiness (with is often unintentionally in conflict with its own plot), stringing together scenes from ESB and Return in random order. It's a mess all by itself with no help from JJ.
On December 20 2019 03:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Seems like JJ Abrams is in damage control mode. How Rian Johnson is even attached to other projects after, seemingly, screwed up this trilogy. Makes me wonder if we'll ever hear about the drama that happened behind the scenes of these three films.
You know that jj abrams started the shit? Rian johnson had to follow up from his shit
Naw. I blame JJ for a bunch of things- rebooting the Empire vs Rebels dynamic, not having a Jedi Academy up and running and not having Leia a Jedi master amongst other things.
However, TLJ is a mess of unequalled proportions all by itself.
It could be understandable (maybe) that it was incoherent to Star Wars as a whole and incoherent as a middle chapter to a trilogy (it's like Rian didn't think there was a third movie and his duty was to end all the plot lines of the first.) But it's a incoherent story on its own terms- just thinking of the story in isolation to itself. Chalk full of plot contrivances, terrible plotting, meaningless teasing and no delivery and preachiness (with is often unintentionally in conflict with its own plot), stringing together scenes from ESB and Return in random order. It's a mess all by itself with no help from JJ.
Caveat- of the movies I have seen so far. TLJ is an unforced error. IX was trapped in a tiny box before it even started. It remains to be seen if it also dominated by unforced errors.
Saw the movie last night. While I was watching it, I really enjoyed it. Action, effects, and Drivers performance were all good.
Thinking about it later, the plot and writing was clearly done to undo some of the missteps in 8 and the rest of it played safe. If you liked 7 but not 8, 9 will likely be great for you.
The whole trilogy could have been done better had JJ been in control all 3 movies.
That was actually the worst Star Wars movie. 100% fan service, terrible plot. What was the purpose of fully healing the emperor for 5 minutes ? He did literally nothing... Completely useless scene. If anything this movie wins he award for most cringe and awkward kiss in the cinema history. Oh yes, and maybe we saw the first ever cavalry charge on top of space ship... Disney...
On December 21 2019 04:20 ElMeanYo wrote: Saw the movie last night. While I was watching it, I really enjoyed it. Action, effects, and Drivers performance were all good.
Thinking about it later, the plot and writing was clearly done to undo some of the missteps in 8 and the rest of it played safe. If you liked 7 but not 8, 9 will likely be great for you.
The whole trilogy could have been done better had JJ been in control all 3 movies.
You know your hate for 8 wont make 7 or 9 better as a movie
Clearly the worst trilogy and ep 9 doesn't fit in either with the trilogy or the saga.
Still, 9 is a decent movie if you pretend that it's noncanon and read some backstory (key plot elements were rushed over despite the film not being all that long).
I really liked it. It was going at such a pace that you never `really have time to question things. It had no real downtime that wasn't serving the plot. It retroactively fixed a lot of the problems the characters had but didn't really retcon anything. It very clearly was trying to spin and flip the plane that was the trilogy of trilogies together and if nothing else succeeded.
i agree with this.after the disaster of The Last Jedi i think it is almost impossible to fix this trilogy.So this movie does a good job in repairing some of the damage.
I mean I'm not saying that its a great movie but if you judge it based on everything it has to do ala avengers age of ultron. The worst thing about the last Jedi in retrospective is about how much time and space it wastes. 9 had to go bigger then star killer base, bigger then snokes super ship thing. It had to give the backstory and character development for the entire main cast, main story, side threads, a major character's actor dieing irl in the middle of production, deliver fan service and callbacks for even older movies. All within a new director and less than the usual production I would genuinely fight over the fact that there were some really great moments in this movie and it deserves to be a number 5 movie (orignal three rouge one TFA?)
People who say that its as bad as the prequels are crazy. The prequels are true abominations.
On December 21 2019 09:14 Sermokala wrote: I mean I'm not saying that its a great movie but if you judge it based on everything it has to do ala avengers age of ultron. The worst thing about the last Jedi in retrospective is about how much time and space it wastes. 9 had to go bigger then star killer base, bigger then snokes super ship thing. It had to give the backstory and character development for the entire main cast, main story, side threads, a major character's actor dieing irl in the middle of production, deliver fan service and callbacks for even older movies. All within a new director and less than the usual production I would genuinely fight over the fact that there were some really great moments in this movie and it deserves to be a number 5 movie (orignal three rouge one TFA?)
People who say that its as bad as the prequels are crazy. The prequels are true abominations.
I shall have an opinion on Sunday when I see the latest. It would have to be truly abominable to drag the recent trilogy below the Prequels.
I really have little understanding as to why people would place the Prequels above the most recent trilogy.
They’re outright bad films as standalone films, they’re bad films as Star Wars films.
On December 21 2019 09:14 Sermokala wrote: I mean I'm not saying that its a great movie but if you judge it based on everything it has to do ala avengers age of ultron. The worst thing about the last Jedi in retrospective is about how much time and space it wastes. 9 had to go bigger then star killer base, bigger then snokes super ship thing. It had to give the backstory and character development for the entire main cast, main story, side threads, a major character's actor dieing irl in the middle of production, deliver fan service and callbacks for even older movies. All within a new director and less than the usual production I would genuinely fight over the fact that there were some really great moments in this movie and it deserves to be a number 5 movie (orignal three rouge one TFA?)
People who say that its as bad as the prequels are crazy. The prequels are true abominations.
The prequels had some good silly fun, if you forget they are Starwars and also skip 50-60% of the first and second one, you have a good bit of pretty great actions scene. And mute every anakin line of course.... Padme too actually, Obiwan is fine, you can keep Palpatine just for the absurdity of it.
The new trilogy is probably better, but IDK if it's because I saw them as an adults, but I feel like the fact that they had higher potential just make their flaw hurt more.
But let's be honest, Empire is kinda the only actually great SW movie, A New Hope is fairly good, ROTJ is a hot mess. Rogue One was pretty good too, could have been great if they had make it a bit tighter and reduce the role of the secondary cast.
On December 21 2019 09:14 Sermokala wrote: I mean I'm not saying that its a great movie but if you judge it based on everything it has to do ala avengers age of ultron. The worst thing about the last Jedi in retrospective is about how much time and space it wastes. 9 had to go bigger then star killer base, bigger then snokes super ship thing. It had to give the backstory and character development for the entire main cast, main story, side threads, a major character's actor dieing irl in the middle of production, deliver fan service and callbacks for even older movies. All within a new director and less than the usual production I would genuinely fight over the fact that there were some really great moments in this movie and it deserves to be a number 5 movie (orignal three rouge one TFA?)
People who say that its as bad as the prequels are crazy. The prequels are true abominations.
I shall have an opinion on Sunday when I see the latest. It would have to be truly abominable to drag the recent trilogy below the Prequels.
I really have little understanding as to why people would place the Prequels above the most recent trilogy.
They’re outright bad films as standalone films, they’re bad films as Star Wars films.
Episode XIII and IX are both awful films, both as stand-alone films and as Star Wars films.
As bad as the prequels were, they still felt like they were more "Star Wars" and had better internal cohesion than the sequel trilogy.
They arn't great films but they are quite unique compared to the rest of cinema as being scifi and yet still mainstream. Star wars has always been better when its about the bleeding edge of technical aspects of film making and less about galactic politics and fuel.
The third in the prequels just has so much craft, so many mannhours of the best in the business serving the most boring and nonsense action sequence that I defy anyone to give a real shit about that they all had been leading up to.
On December 21 2019 09:14 Sermokala wrote: I mean I'm not saying that its a great movie but if you judge it based on everything it has to do ala avengers age of ultron. The worst thing about the last Jedi in retrospective is about how much time and space it wastes. 9 had to go bigger then star killer base, bigger then snokes super ship thing. It had to give the backstory and character development for the entire main cast, main story, side threads, a major character's actor dieing irl in the middle of production, deliver fan service and callbacks for even older movies. All within a new director and less than the usual production I would genuinely fight over the fact that there were some really great moments in this movie and it deserves to be a number 5 movie (orignal three rouge one TFA?)
People who say that its as bad as the prequels are crazy. The prequels are true abominations.
I shall have an opinion on Sunday when I see the latest. It would have to be truly abominable to drag the recent trilogy below the Prequels.
I really have little understanding as to why people would place the Prequels above the most recent trilogy.
They’re outright bad films as standalone films, they’re bad films as Star Wars films.
Episode XIII and IX are both awful films, both as stand-alone films and as Star Wars films.
As bad as the prequels were, they still felt like they were more "Star Wars" and had better internal cohesion than the sequel trilogy.
I don't get why you think 9 is anywhere near how bad 8 was let alone being underline awful level. The visuals and music alone have to merit it being decent.
As usual I have major issues with the plot/story, but I still enjoyed the experience of going to see a SW film. The lightsaber fights were at least good this time around (at least in my opinion).
btw as someone that isn't a super fan, I was super confused to see that Leia trained as a Jedi. Is this something we were supposed to know beforehand? I legitimately can't remember lol.
Final question, from what I can remember in some of the books force lightning is a sith only thing right? Or can any dark side Jedi learn it? Obviously Rey can use it because she's a Palp, but I don't remember Vader/Kylo/Maul ever use force lightning.
On December 21 2019 14:17 TheEmulator wrote: As usual I have major issues with the plot/story, but I still enjoyed the experience of going to see a SW film. The lightsaber fights were at least good this time around (at least in my opinion).
btw as someone that isn't a super fan, I was super confused to see that Leia trained as a Jedi. Is this something we were supposed to know beforehand? I legitimately can't remember lol.
Final question, from what I can remember in some of the books force lightning is a sith only thing right? Or can any dark side Jedi learn it? Obviously Rey can use it because she's a Palp, but I don't remember Vader/Kylo/Maul ever use force lightning.
yeah there was no mention of Leia having any jedi training before let alone having completed her training. force lightning is a sith only technique duku used it in the beginning of his fight against yoda in episode two.
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