On May 06 2019 13:10 DucK- wrote: Just watched it. 6/10 in my opinion. Probably harsh cuz I expected much more. I thought as a standalone it was a poor movie. But as the finale of this mcu phase, it did a decent job in tying everything up.
I usually don't like time travels, but I can accept the logic discussed by banner and ancient one. However, I absolutely hate how cap stayed in the past and showed up as an old man in the present. There's no logic behind this because the cap that went back in the past is not the same cap that is old.
I like thanos change in view from eliminating half to eliminating everything in the universe. I thought it made sense because he became aware of how his plan didn't exactly turn out the way he envisioned.
I like what they did with thor. He loss his parents, loss his brother, loss his best asgard pals, loss his city, loss half of his people and fucked up cuz he didn't go for the head. He was rightfully depressed so I enjoyed his character.
I disliked what they did with captain marvel. She felt way too op and for all the hype she brought, she was criminally underused. I don't really know her skillset, it appears to be just headfirst flying through everybody and it feels so boring. Basically you could remove her and the only minor problem you have is how to save Tony from space. Where was she the whole time when they were attempting time traveling? Was she informed of the plan? How did she know to fly back?
I dislike the pacing of this movie. There were too little fights. First 2/3 was just story telling. The only real fight is the big one, where there were too many characters fighting each other for screentime. For a 3 hour movie, i was expecting much much more. Infinity War was brilliant. Skirmishes after skirmishes to ensure every superhero was featured adequately.
Also how the hell does cap shoot lightning? Wielding and summoning the mjolnir is fine, but isn't the hammer just a tool for thor to better control his lightning, rather than being a lightning blaster itself. And why in the midst of all the desparate fighting would cap even think about attempting to wield the mjolnir.
Was Hawkeye going full vigilante really necessary? Does it make sense that potts joins the last fight in the suit? Why is there so little hulk smash. This version of hulk is a literal joke. Is Wanda really that strong in mcu at that point in time?
Then there's the inconsistency with touching the stones. The power stone alone contained so much power that the collector's servant got fried touching it. GotG struggled to contain the power. After so many years of study, how did the avengers know how to make a stone out of the aether. How did they get the stone out of tessaract. How did they know how to design a gauntlet equal to the infinity gauntlet that's capable of holding all 6 stones using earthly materials. Remember the gauntlet had to be forged by some dwarf blacksmith guy using a burning star and yet Tony could build one in his lab.
Basically I feel empty with this movie not because its over but because it did not turn out the way I liked. Actually after typing this whole chunk, I'll revise my rating to 4/10.
I think you missed the major plot point of captian america decided to stay in the past right after the war in order to live his life with the woman he loved. He lived with her and then aged naturaly until showing up again on that bench with the sheild in its case.
Captian marvel was trying to help the rest of the universe deal with half their population being killed and various other galactic issues. She has to take time to travel back to earth from whatever method used to communicate to her that she should come back.
The hammer was how Thor used lightning before learning how to do it on his own in Ragnarok. I don't understand why picking up a weapon in the middle of a battlefield is a bad idea.
Hawkeyes family died in front of him bro. Thats an incredibly traumatic experience for a guy who did everything bad that he did for that family and then they're all dead. What does he do with his life afterward? Also ronin was a comic book thing and this was the way to use that. Hulk having balance is a nice tie down for his trilogy.
Wanda is a special case because of shes the daughter of Magneto in the comic books but obviously, she can't be a mutant because xmen wasn't Disney. She has the power to rework reality in whatever image she wants to. The powers she currently uses is limited by the fact that its all she believes she can do at the moment.
They used a tool to get the stone out of the ether. The Tesseract was always just a box with the stone in it. They had the gauntlet still from killing thanos at the start and presumably they figured it out in the 5 years that they had.
I don't like your post because instead of providing any perspective on what you wanted or was hoping for all you did was complain, sometimes about petty things movies should be allowed to take liberties on. What were you hoping for in endgame?
I understand that cap stayed in the past. My issue is that the same cap in this current universe that went back to the past is not the same cap that is sitting on the bench as an old man. The old man would be someone from the 'future universe' that travelled back to the 'current universe' and stayed low profile during these times.
Just read some theory that plausibly cap stayed in the past till his old and then used the pym particles to come back to the present as an old man. This works for me, but I'd prefer if he then appeared via the machine instead. Time travelling has a lot of paradoxes so it's a touchy issue for me.
On mjolnir. It was known that only thor could lift the hammer. Cap tried before, everyone tried before. All failed to lift it then. So when it comes to a critical situation, it makes no sense to opt for such a low percentage unknown play instead of trying something else or fighting like how you've trained your whole life to. This is a movie logic issue albeit minor though.
Researching the gauntlet for 5 years sounds logical so I'll take that back.
What would I prefer? Maybe proper deaths. The creators have not been shy in killing heroes, so I don't see why they couldn't do here. Again citing the collector's servant and possibly red skull, neither of them could handle the power of the infinity stones. Yet Tony an ordinary human could. I wouldn't mind if he and cap got slain in battle instead. Thanoscopter sword looks cool and I'd have liked some critical wounds from it. Also thanos dying from snapping feels like a meh way to do it.
I'd prefer captain marvel to have a more prominent role in this film. Maybe set her up for an equal fight with thanos to show she is not that OP. After all she is just part of the space stone just like Wanda is part of the mind stone (ie. Powers derived from them). Its really hard to balance fights when one uses combat and another uses 'magic' so maybe have thanos intercept nebula/warmachine with the power stone or something so he at least have a stone.
Yea. Lack of logic aside, maybe the film just needs more fights.
I never read any Marvel comics, so can someone explain what the orange place (soul world?), that Thanos found himself after he snapped in Infinity War, was? Maybe it was due to time constraint, but it would have been interesting to see Hulk and Iron Man go there as well after they snapped. Who would they have met, if any?
On May 06 2019 20:56 don_kyuhote wrote: I never read any Marvel comics, so can someone explain what the orange place (soul world?), that Thanos found himself after he snapped in Infinity War, was? Maybe it was due to time constraint, but it would have been interesting to see Hulk and Iron Man go there as well after they snapped. Who would they have met, if any?
He didn't go anywhere after he snapped? In Infinity War he snapped and retired to "The Garden" (which was a bit orange, but also green). Then they found him there at the beginning of Endgame and murdered him.
On May 06 2019 20:56 don_kyuhote wrote: I never read any Marvel comics, so can someone explain what the orange place (soul world?), that Thanos found himself after he snapped in Infinity War, was? Maybe it was due to time constraint, but it would have been interesting to see Hulk and Iron Man go there as well after they snapped. Who would they have met, if any?
He didn't go anywhere after he snapped? In Infinity War he snapped and retired to "The Garden" (which was a bit orange, but also green). Then they found him there at the beginning of Endgame and murdered him.
Yeah, and Nebula explained that in the very beginning of AE; she said she knew where Thanos would choose to go.
On May 06 2019 20:56 don_kyuhote wrote: I never read any Marvel comics, so can someone explain what the orange place (soul world?), that Thanos found himself after he snapped in Infinity War, was? Maybe it was due to time constraint, but it would have been interesting to see Hulk and Iron Man go there as well after they snapped. Who would they have met, if any?
He didn't go anywhere after he snapped? In Infinity War he snapped and retired to "The Garden" (which was a bit orange, but also green). Then they found him there at the beginning of Endgame and murdered him.
Oh. That place. Yeah. Dunno. I mean, it didn't seem like a requirement to visit the soul world. Seems in particular like Hulk would have tried tho, to get Natasha back? Maybe it got filmed and cut in the editing?
Thinking about this movie and i'm still "meh". Imho another ironman/spiderman movie is missing? I don't know where and when to fit it in and their relationship was kinda established but their chemistry was really awesome and fleshing that out more would have been great.
On May 06 2019 16:00 DucK- wrote: I understand that cap stayed in the past. My issue is that the same cap in this current universe that went back to the past is not the same cap that is sitting on the bench as an old man. The old man would be someone from the 'future universe' that travelled back to the 'current universe' and stayed low profile during these times.
What's in the film to suggest this?
On May 06 2019 16:00 DucK- wrote: On mjolnir. It was known that only thor could lift the hammer. Cap tried before, everyone tried before. All failed to lift it then. So when it comes to a critical situation, it makes no sense to opt for such a low percentage unknown play instead of trying something else or fighting like how you've trained your whole life to. This is a movie logic issue albeit minor though.
When you're behind, you need to pull off something drastic in order to not only survive, but win. We see the same principle every single GSL season.
On May 06 2019 16:00 DucK- wrote: Also thanos dying from snapping feels like a meh way to do it.
You do remember the ending of Infinity War, right? The Snap Heard 'Round the World and all that?
Anyway, some random observations on the film.
- Anyone else catch a strange detail in the wide shot just before Thanos turned to ash? There were two figures on the ground, embracing like the other was dying from some wounds. It felt real odd, because up until that point the enemy force was a faceless horde that wasn't humanized at all. Maybe there are some cut scenes.
- Did Dr Strange really manipulate Tony into sacrificing himself? In the previous film, Strange said that he went through about 14 million different scenarios, and that he found only one with this ending. Did he mean an ending where he himself survives and Tony dies? The Sorcerer Supreme tries to protect Earth, and Tony has proven to be reckless at times, and possibly dangerous to the planet.
- Further, did Nebula really manipulate Clint and Nat into going to Vormir, knowing that one of them would have to die.
- Will future movies deal with how the Earth is going to provide enough food for 3.5 billion people after scaling back food production for five years? Are there huge stockpiles of resources lying in wait? We get a kind of a happy ending, but also a logistical nightmare scenario, where thousands of people will likely starve as the world's resources are stretched to their limits. The Spider-Man trailer suggests that our heroes will have to deal with trauma caused by the events in the last film, but how far are they willing to go with it?
- Professor Hulk's eyelines seemed a bit off in a few shots.
On May 06 2019 13:10 DucK- wrote: Just watched it. 6/10 in my opinion. Probably harsh cuz I expected much more. I thought as a standalone it was a poor movie. But as the finale of this mcu phase, it did a decent job in tying everything up.
I usually don't like time travels, but I can accept the logic discussed by banner and ancient one. However, I absolutely hate how cap stayed in the past and showed up as an old man in the present. There's no logic behind this because the cap that went back in the past is not the same cap that is old.
I like thanos change in view from eliminating half to eliminating everything in the universe. I thought it made sense because he became aware of how his plan didn't exactly turn out the way he envisioned.
I like what they did with thor. He loss his parents, loss his brother, loss his best asgard pals, loss his city, loss half of his people and fucked up cuz he didn't go for the head. He was rightfully depressed so I enjoyed his character.
I disliked what they did with captain marvel. She felt way too op and for all the hype she brought, she was criminally underused. I don't really know her skillset, it appears to be just headfirst flying through everybody and it feels so boring. Basically you could remove her and the only minor problem you have is how to save Tony from space. Where was she the whole time when they were attempting time traveling? Was she informed of the plan? How did she know to fly back?
I dislike the pacing of this movie. There were too little fights. First 2/3 was just story telling. The only real fight is the big one, where there were too many characters fighting each other for screentime. For a 3 hour movie, i was expecting much much more. Infinity War was brilliant. Skirmishes after skirmishes to ensure every superhero was featured adequately.
Also how the hell does cap shoot lightning? Wielding and summoning the mjolnir is fine, but isn't the hammer just a tool for thor to better control his lightning, rather than being a lightning blaster itself. And why in the midst of all the desparate fighting would cap even think about attempting to wield the mjolnir.
Was Hawkeye going full vigilante really necessary? Does it make sense that potts joins the last fight in the suit? Why is there so little hulk smash. This version of hulk is a literal joke. Is Wanda really that strong in mcu at that point in time?
Then there's the inconsistency with touching the stones. The power stone alone contained so much power that the collector's servant got fried touching it. GotG struggled to contain the power. After so many years of study, how did the avengers know how to make a stone out of the aether. How did they get the stone out of tessaract. How did they know how to design a gauntlet equal to the infinity gauntlet that's capable of holding all 6 stones using earthly materials. Remember the gauntlet had to be forged by some dwarf blacksmith guy using a burning star and yet Tony could build one in his lab.
Basically I feel empty with this movie not because its over but because it did not turn out the way I liked. Actually after typing this whole chunk, I'll revise my rating to 4/10.
I think you missed the major plot point of captian america decided to stay in the past right after the war in order to live his life with the woman he loved. He lived with her and then aged naturaly until showing up again on that bench with the sheild in its case.
Captian marvel was trying to help the rest of the universe deal with half their population being killed and various other galactic issues. She has to take time to travel back to earth from whatever method used to communicate to her that she should come back.
The hammer was how Thor used lightning before learning how to do it on his own in Ragnarok. I don't understand why picking up a weapon in the middle of a battlefield is a bad idea.
Hawkeyes family died in front of him bro. Thats an incredibly traumatic experience for a guy who did everything bad that he did for that family and then they're all dead. What does he do with his life afterward? Also ronin was a comic book thing and this was the way to use that. Hulk having balance is a nice tie down for his trilogy.
Wanda is a special case because of shes the daughter of Magneto in the comic books but obviously, she can't be a mutant because xmen wasn't Disney. She has the power to rework reality in whatever image she wants to. The powers she currently uses is limited by the fact that its all she believes she can do at the moment.
They used a tool to get the stone out of the ether. The Tesseract was always just a box with the stone in it. They had the gauntlet still from killing thanos at the start and presumably they figured it out in the 5 years that they had.
I don't like your post because instead of providing any perspective on what you wanted or was hoping for all you did was complain, sometimes about petty things movies should be allowed to take liberties on. What were you hoping for in endgame?
I understand that cap stayed in the past. My issue is that the same cap in this current universe that went back to the past is not the same cap that is sitting on the bench as an old man. The old man would be someone from the 'future universe' that travelled back to the 'current universe' and stayed low profile during these times.
Just read some theory that plausibly cap stayed in the past till his old and then used the pym particles to come back to the present as an old man. This works for me, but I'd prefer if he then appeared via the machine instead. Time travelling has a lot of paradoxes so it's a touchy issue for me.
On mjolnir. It was known that only thor could lift the hammer. Cap tried before, everyone tried before. All failed to lift it then. So when it comes to a critical situation, it makes no sense to opt for such a low percentage unknown play instead of trying something else or fighting like how you've trained your whole life to. This is a movie logic issue albeit minor though.
Researching the gauntlet for 5 years sounds logical so I'll take that back.
What would I prefer? Maybe proper deaths. The creators have not been shy in killing heroes, so I don't see why they couldn't do here. Again citing the collector's servant and possibly red skull, neither of them could handle the power of the infinity stones. Yet Tony an ordinary human could. I wouldn't mind if he and cap got slain in battle instead. Thanoscopter sword looks cool and I'd have liked some critical wounds from it. Also thanos dying from snapping feels like a meh way to do it.
I'd prefer captain marvel to have a more prominent role in this film. Maybe set her up for an equal fight with thanos to show she is not that OP. After all she is just part of the space stone just like Wanda is part of the mind stone (ie. Powers derived from them). Its really hard to balance fights when one uses combat and another uses 'magic' so maybe have thanos intercept nebula/warmachine with the power stone or something so he at least have a stone.
Yea. Lack of logic aside, maybe the film just needs more fights.
No hes not. Hes the same captain America from our future universe that went through all the events and then went back in time to live through the events again but with a live and without the burden of the shield. He only went back to post WW2 so 1945ish. 60-70 years isn't that far off from what he locked. We can argue that the super soldier surem would have a huge ass issue in any aging scenario but hey movie. They made it for a touching emotional end and thats what we should acept for it to happen.
If thats the time travel part you have issue with you completely missed the point when thanos came from pre gotg to modern times invalidating the majority of the post ultron marvel universe.
In thor its described that only the worthy can lift the hammer. Vision lifts the hammer. Thor loses the ability to lift the hammer in the first movie in order for him to become worthy and then lift it.
Proper deaths? I don't know what you mean a bunch of critical people died. Tony couldn't handle the stones and he died from the snap. Hulk was also a human and bearly was able to snap.
I think the snappening end was good. It was finite and more then thanos dieing you could visually watch him be defeated and surrender to the end.
Idk it was 3 hours already more fights would've made it even longer.
snappening < Snapture. If we are going go have half the population disappear and re-appear, it are going to reference the rapture. We will not reference a M Might Shyamalan movie.
Nothing in the film suggests that present cap time travelled back from the past to the current. It is implied that he stayed in the past and grew old, which means all this while present cap is in the past and not the present. So the old man cap that falcon and co saw cannot be the present cap. It has to be a future cap, which means they're different people just like how present nebula and old nebula are different etc.
The very fact that they're different entities is what I don't like about time travel. Lots of inconsistency. The present agent Carter lived her life without cap but this old man cap apparently spent some time with him. Paradox?
Plus it was said that changing the past does not affect your present. Otherwise they'd just killed baby thanos. All it does is to change the trajectory of the past's timeline to not meet the present. An alternative universe different from the present. So present cap marrying agent Carter in the past does not change the fact that present Carter never met him again till she was dying or that she married someone else. Which also implies that old man cap could not have married her. Unless you want to play along the line that they kept their relationship super secret throughout which sounds farfetched already.
So the only theory I can accept is if present cap travelled back in the present after marrying Carter and getting old in the past. In that case, I'd prefer if he appeared via the machine rather than out of nowhere on the bench.
When you're behind, you need to pull off something drastic in order to not only survive, but win. We see the same principle every single GSL season.
It's one thing to do a hail mary play. I think it's another to attempt to do something that you have tried before and clearly failed. Unless it's something cliche like cap getting pinned by thanos and the only thing in reach is the hammer. There was simply no reason why cap should try to use the hammer.
You do remember the ending of Infinity War, right? The Snap Heard 'Round the World and all that?
Yes, I get it. It comes full circle. It was actually quite a nice scene to see thanos giving up after the snap. It's meh to me though because it feels too easy to kill all the baddies off.
How can you have an issue with it? Captain travelled back and stayed back, he meets his buddies again in present day.
If you want to bitch about something, here is one: Why send Black Widow and Hawkeye to gather a stone on a planet that they have no clue what there is to expect? ANY random superpowered Opponent would just end the whole plan right there and then.
On May 07 2019 16:23 Velr wrote: How can you have an issue with it? Captain travelled back and stayed back, he meets his buddies again in present day.
If you want to bitch about something, here is one: Why send Black Widow and Hawkeye to gather a stone on a planet that they have no clue what there is to expect? ANY random superpowered Opponent would just end the whole plan right there and then.
Maybe they knew what to expect and didn't want one of the proper superheroes to die.
"We'll send em both and they can decide when they get there"
On May 07 2019 16:23 Velr wrote: How can you have an issue with it? Captain travelled back and stayed back, he meets his buddies again in present day.
If you want to bitch about something, here is one: Why send Black Widow and Hawkeye to gather a stone on a planet that they have no clue what there is to expect? ANY random superpowered Opponent would just end the whole plan right there and then.
Maybe they knew what to expect and didn't want one of the proper superheroes to die.
"We'll send em both and they can decide when they get there"
lol
Nebula knew, and she probably had a lot of say in who goes where, sooooo...
On May 07 2019 16:23 Velr wrote: How can you have an issue with it? Captain travelled back and stayed back, he meets his buddies again in present day.
If you want to bitch about something, here is one: Why send Black Widow and Hawkeye to gather a stone on a planet that they have no clue what there is to expect? ANY random superpowered Opponent would just end the whole plan right there and then.
Well I said all along I disliked time travel mechanics but I accept the discussion ancient one and banner had. So I was fine with the time heist etc and everything time travel in the movie except the cap moment. Because it goes against the logic and theory of time travels that the movie spent time carefully explaining to the audience.
On May 07 2019 16:23 Velr wrote: How can you have an issue with it? Captain travelled back and stayed back, he meets his buddies again in present day.
If you want to bitch about something, here is one: Why send Black Widow and Hawkeye to gather a stone on a planet that they have no clue what there is to expect? ANY random superpowered Opponent would just end the whole plan right there and then.
Well I said all along I disliked time travel mechanics but I accept the discussion ancient one and banner had. So I was fine with the time heist etc and everything time travel in the movie except the cap moment. Because it goes against the logic and theory of time travels that the movie spent time carefully explaining to the audience.
Thanos can zip his ship, with thousands of crew/warriors through their time travel device which was designed for humans. Nebula spent about 10 seconds "reconfiguring" the machine to do that using one (or zero) of their time GPS device things.
If the device can do that, I'm sure it can zip cap onto a bench 20 meters away instead of him appearing exactly centered
One thing my wife and I haven't agreed on yet: did Tony snap Gamora? Or is she alive again now and with the Guardians? She wasn't anywhere in the final scenes with Thor, and Starlord looked longingly at her photo. So my wife thinks when Tony snapped all of Thanos's out-of-time gang away, that included Gamora. I think she's still around.
You might have missed it, but Marvel introduced their first LGBT character in Avengers: Endgame.
No, he didn't take part in the huge, final battle, but who could forget "grieving man" at the counselling group who spoke to Captain America about going on a date?
It was so important to director Joe Russo, he decided to play the role himself.
"It is a perfect time, because one of the things that is compelling about the Marvel Universe moving forward is its focus on diversity," he said in an interview with Deadline magazine.
Moviegoers were introduced to The Avengers in a series of movies - Iron Man in 2008, Thor and Captain America in 2011 - three hugely successful films about white men with super powers.
It took until 2018 (Black Panther) and 2019 (Captain Marvel) for a movie in Marvel's cinematic universe to be led by a person of colour or a woman.
And none of the 22 movies in the 11-year Avengers franchise have included a main character who is LGBTQ+.
"I think it's very telling that the Russo Brothers made such a fuss about this inclusion of an openly gay character," Philip Ellis, a pop culture journalist from Birmingham, tells Radio 1 Newsbeat.
"If they'd not said anything about it, that scene might have been seen as a pleasant surprise but because they made such a big deal of it, it really did feel like a let-down."
This is all so stupid imo
I get why representation is important, and its nice that Marvel are sticking to that and finding ways to diversify their movies, great. I don't get why people are pissed off that 'they didn't go far enough'. FFS. You don't get to decide what other people put in their movies for your own political agenda, no matter how correct you are about the politics. This attitude that if the next Marvel movie doesn't have a gay kiss its an outrage just makes no sense. It makes as little sense as all the people hating on Captain Marvel or Black Panther before they're released because women/black people.
The first two X-Men movies were played by the actors - at least in part - as allegories for the struggle of gay people, and examinations of how they feel they could or should react to discrimation.
It seems that audiences aren't bothered about actually examining issues now and the virtuous thing to do is just to have gay people kiss in your film, then the box is ticked and you don't need to mention it anymore, right?
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