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Pandemona
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Acrofales
Spain17992 Posts
On May 03 2019 21:30 Pandemona wrote: Thought Sony had the rights to X Men and Fantastic 4? Is that not true then. No. Sony has Spider Man... and Marvel bought back some of those rights and they share them. Or something. Fox had X-Men and they got bough by Disney, which owns Marvel, so they're effectively back with Marvel. | ||
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Pandemona
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Excludos
Norway8080 Posts
On May 03 2019 21:54 Acrofales wrote: No. Sony has Spider Man... and Marvel bought back some of those rights and they share them. Or something. Fox had X-Men and they got bough by Disney, which owns Marvel, so they're effectively back with Marvel. If I recall, Sony now only has the rights to the spiderverse, but not spiderman himself. Which is why we're seeing stuff like Venom suddenly getting his own (terrible) movie | ||
RealZork
31 Posts
On May 03 2019 20:39 Acrofales wrote: The time travel isn't totally consistent, but also not quite what M2 said. It's not just removing infinity stones that splits off a parallel reality, it's any change. That's so that you cannot go back in time and kill your father. You don't kill *your* father. You split off an alternate reality in which your father was murdered and you were never born (as in, if Tony had taken a detour to go and murder his pregnant mother). What the Ancient One explains is that most of those realities are fine and nothing you change has much consequence in the grand scheme of things, however, the infinity stones somehow hold everything together, so removing one will cause *bad things* to happen. You cannot simply go back in time and kidnap tony stark and tell him you need him in your timeline, as tony stark clearly has things going on in his own time and telling him "look, you're dead in the future, and we just want to skip that bit where you die, so come with us" isn't going to convince him to leave his Pepper Potts and move with you to future Pepper Potts, because he's smart enough to know that if he needs to do something to save the universe (tm) and that ends with him dying, then if he's not there he's about to create a very bad universe. Not "remove an infinity stone" bad, but pretty damn bad for his own Pepper Potts and cute-daughter Stark. That's why you can't go back in time and fetch Tony. As for how old-man Captain appeared, my idea was that they brought him back, and then took a poetic license to have him appear on the little bench overlooking the lake rather than that he appeared in the portal thingy. They specifically said: "for us, 5 seconds, but for him however long it takes". It took his entire life, which he lived happily in an alternate reality, and he got whisked out of that to return to reality 1. That said, if Loki pops up with a tesseract in reality 1, then who knows what's going on with time travel in the MCU. One thing I didn't get is why they brought everybody back 5 years in the future. Imagine being a random survivor: half the world gets snapped. You live on. Chaos, anarchy and savagery happens. You grieve for the loss of your wife and kinds. Then 5 years later: doublesnap, everybody's back. But the world is the fucked up mess of 5 years later. HOW IS THAT A GOOD IDEA?! To get Tony back with no consequence. You go back in time to a little before nebula betrays everyone and foil her plan. Then you take that Tony to the future and let hulk do his snap as usual. That timelines family for Tony can’t complain because he would’ve died anyways. | ||
M2
Bulgaria4116 Posts
On May 03 2019 20:39 Acrofales wrote: [ One thing I didn't get is why they brought everybody back 5 years in the future. Imagine being a random survivor: half the world gets snapped. You live on. Chaos, anarchy and savagery happens. You grieve for the loss of your wife and kinds. Then 5 years later: doublesnap, everybody's back. But the world is the fucked up mess of 5 years later. HOW IS THAT A GOOD IDEA?! I liked the idea, since, it deviates from the complete happy end and flawless victory over what Thanos did. They won but not without heavy losses. Actually they didnt exactly win, they survived. | ||
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hexhaven
Finland931 Posts
On May 03 2019 22:04 Pandemona wrote: Oh so they now have the complete collection of heroes. Spiderman was loaned as well right but i guess they might be able to continue to "lease" him per se lol. Well if they don't get the X Men characters and Fantastic 4 characters developed into Avengers then i'll be stupidly pissed off. After the Fox acquisition, Disney now has X-Men and Fantastic Four. If I remember correctly, they also had a deal that they couldn't do even cameos for the MCU films until the deal was finished, and that's (partly) the reason we don't see them in Captain Marvel and Endgame. Remember that there's still a Fox X-Men film coming out this summer. Sony still has Spider-Man, but I think they might be happy with the revenue sharing from the MCU Spider-Man films. At least for now. Universal has Hulk, which means no solo Hulk movies until they renegotiate those rights. e: Also Venom was actually great. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 04 2019 00:12 M2 wrote: I liked the idea, since, it deviates from the complete happy end and flawless victory over what Thanos did. They won but not without heavy losses. Actually they didnt exactly win, they survived. I agree, it was my favorite part of the movie and I'm excited to see what they do next. The world is 200 times more interesting because it has been changed by what Thanos did, but is still reconcilable as our world. As a narrative, it is something only comic books can do. Kill half of everyone off and then bring them back after 5 years, but not erase any of the grief associated with dying in the first place. | ||
karazax
United States3737 Posts
On May 03 2019 22:07 Excludos wrote: If I recall, Sony now only has the rights to the spiderverse, but not spiderman himself. Which is why we're seeing stuff like Venom suddenly getting his own (terrible) movie Here is some info on the Sony/Marvel spiderman deal: Back in 2015, Sony struck a deal with Disney’s Marvel Studios that permitted Spider-Man to be part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. According to the terms of that deal, as reported by Vanity Fair (the deal has never been publicly disclosed) Spider-Man would be shared across Sony and Marvel productions for a total of five films. Spidey has been in three thus far and Sony cannot incorporate the character into its own extended universe until the deal comes to a conclusion. That five-film cap will presumably be reached when two already filmed movies debut: “Avengers: Endgame” in April and “Spider-Man: Far From Home” in July (it is likely Spider-Man is in Endgame, though he has not been in any of the trailers released so far). In return for agreeing to the deal, Marvel Studios has provided A-list characters for Spider-Man’s recent solo outings that star Tom Holland: 2017′s “Spider-Man: Homecoming” saw Robert Downey Jr. headline as Iron Man. The movie grossed over $880 million worldwide, according to Comscore. And this summer’s “Spider-Man: Far From Home” will see Samuel L. Jackson don his eye patch once more to play Nick Fury. Marvel doesn’t share in the film revenue but can see a revenue boost from merchandise sales related to the movies’ characters. | ||
explosivekangaroo
14 Posts
Story-wise there was a lot of plotholes, as expected when time travel is involved. Most characters were treated sans Thor. Thanos maintained a strong villain presence but his past self just lacked the same depth. And like any Avengers movie I hated the big final battle and I wished it remained small-scale fight of the survivors vs Thanos. Also, Captain Marvel has the worst characterization ever out of any Marvel superhero. I enjoyed it just like I enjoyed TDKR, the story made no sense if you think about it but the execution was great. | ||
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9650 Posts
On May 04 2019 17:10 explosivekangaroo wrote: I thought it was a great movie. That said, in movies I care more about getting the tone right rather than telling a good story. Story-wise there was a lot of plotholes, as expected when time travel is involved. Most characters were treated sans Thor. Thanos maintained a strong villain presence but his past self just lacked the same depth. And like any Avengers movie I hated the big final battle and I wished it remained small-scale fight of the survivors vs Thanos. Also, Captain Marvel has the worst characterization ever out of any Marvel superhero. I enjoyed it just like I enjoyed TDKR, the story made no sense if you think about it but the execution was great. I wouldn't say her characterization is bad as much as its absent. They could pull a Thor and give her a really good arc over a few movies and still save her as a character. | ||
Manit0u
Poland17257 Posts
On May 04 2019 17:33 Jockmcplop wrote: I wouldn't say her characterization is bad as much as its absent. They could pull a Thor and give her a really good arc over a few movies and still save her as a character. Might be hard. Her latest comic book series are coming close on 7th cancellation due to lack of interest (72% drop in sales over 3 issues) and overall poor quality. I really have no idea why they're trying to push her so hard. No one really wants to see this character. | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
United States44334 Posts
On May 04 2019 17:57 Manit0u wrote: Might be hard. Her latest comic book series are coming close on 7th cancellation due to lack of interest (72% drop in sales over 3 issues) and overall poor quality. I really have no idea why they're trying to push her so hard. No one really wants to see this character. 78% on Rotten Tomatoes and one of the highest-grossing opening weekends for films of all time disagree with you. There's obviously a ton of overlap between comic book fans and movie goers, but they're clearly doing something right with Captain Marvel on the big screen. Plus, she's obviously in the running to lead the next phase of Marvel superheroes. Her movie was pretty solidly received, she's getting another one, and we'll see where it goes from there. | ||
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9650 Posts
On May 04 2019 18:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: 78% on Rotten Tomatoes and one of the highest-grossing opening weekends for films of all time disagree with you. There's obviously a ton of overlap between comic book fans and movie goers, but they're clearly doing something right with Captain Marvel on the big screen. Plus, she's obviously in the running to lead the next phase of Marvel superheroes. Her movie was pretty solidly received, she's getting another one, and we'll see where it goes from there. I hope they give her solo films to an indie movie director or someone who deals in stuff other than superpowers. At the moment she's just kinda boring as a character. They've shown tiny glimpses of who she is as a person but not much really, all of her appearances so far have been defined by the circumstances the character finds herself in rather than her own choices and why she makes them. | ||
Manit0u
Poland17257 Posts
On May 04 2019 18:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: 78% on Rotten Tomatoes and one of the highest-grossing opening weekends for films of all time disagree with you. There's obviously a ton of overlap between comic book fans and movie goers, but they're clearly doing something right with Captain Marvel on the big screen. Plus, she's obviously in the running to lead the next phase of Marvel superheroes. Her movie was pretty solidly received, she's getting another one, and we'll see where it goes from there. 78%/56% is not that good for an MCU movie, even Ant-Man was at 82%/86% (and Shazam! is at 90%/87%). And big part of its success is the sole fact it's a Marvel superhero movie (which all do relatively well, regardless of what it is) and that people were pretty starved for content before AE. The high gross is also pretty questionable since there were insinuations of studio buying out the tickets (cinemas reporting all tickets sold but about 25% of people actually showing up to the movies). And as far as reception goes, there are very few actually favorable reviews for this movie. The general consensus is that it was "meh" at best. Brie Larson being a rather unlikable person IRL doesn't help it at all (her interviews are pretty cringe). | ||
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hexhaven
Finland931 Posts
On May 04 2019 18:31 Manit0u wrote: 78%/56% is not that good for an MCU movie, even Ant-Man was at 82%/86% (and Shazam! is at 90%/87%). And big part of its success is the sole fact it's a Marvel superhero movie (which all do relatively well, regardless of what it is) and that people were pretty starved for content before AE. The high gross is also pretty questionable since there were insinuations of studio buying out the tickets (cinemas reporting all tickets sold but about 25% of people actually showing up to the movies). The average review score on Rotten Tomatoes for MCU films released before Captain Marvel is 84,15%, so the film is just slightly below the middle of the pack. And as far as reception goes, there are very few actually favorable reviews for this movie. The general consensus is that it was "meh" at best. Except that you just mentioned that 78% of the 459 reviews on the site are listed as favorable. That's not "very few". You don't like the film, you don't like Brie Larson because reasons, but your opinion is not the "general consensus". And I have no idea why you'd want to bring up weird ticket sales conspiracy shit. | ||
LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
I usually don't like time travels, but I can accept the logic discussed by banner and ancient one. However, I absolutely hate how cap stayed in the past and showed up as an old man in the present. There's no logic behind this because the cap that went back in the past is not the same cap that is old. I like thanos change in view from eliminating half to eliminating everything in the universe. I thought it made sense because he became aware of how his plan didn't exactly turn out the way he envisioned. I like what they did with thor. He loss his parents, loss his brother, loss his best asgard pals, loss his city, loss half of his people and fucked up cuz he didn't go for the head. He was rightfully depressed so I enjoyed his character. I disliked what they did with captain marvel. She felt way too op and for all the hype she brought, she was criminally underused. I don't really know her skillset, it appears to be just headfirst flying through everybody and it feels so boring. Basically you could remove her and the only minor problem you have is how to save Tony from space. Where was she the whole time when they were attempting time traveling? Was she informed of the plan? How did she know to fly back? I dislike the pacing of this movie. There were too little fights. First 2/3 was just story telling. The only real fight is the big one, where there were too many characters fighting each other for screentime. For a 3 hour movie, i was expecting much much more. Infinity War was brilliant. Skirmishes after skirmishes to ensure every superhero was featured adequately. Also how the hell does cap shoot lightning? Wielding and summoning the mjolnir is fine, but isn't the hammer just a tool for thor to better control his lightning, rather than being a lightning blaster itself. And why in the midst of all the desparate fighting would cap even think about attempting to wield the mjolnir. Was Hawkeye going full vigilante really necessary? Does it make sense that potts joins the last fight in the suit? Why is there so little hulk smash. This version of hulk is a literal joke. Is Wanda really that strong in mcu at that point in time? Then there's the inconsistency with touching the stones. The power stone alone contained so much power that the collector's servant got fried touching it. GotG struggled to contain the power. After so many years of study, how did the avengers know how to make a stone out of the aether. How did they get the stone out of tessaract. How did they know how to design a gauntlet equal to the infinity gauntlet that's capable of holding all 6 stones using earthly materials. Remember the gauntlet had to be forged by some dwarf blacksmith guy using a burning star and yet Tony could build one in his lab. Basically I feel empty with this movie not because its over but because it did not turn out the way I liked. Actually after typing this whole chunk, I'll revise my rating to 4/10. | ||
Sermokala
United States13931 Posts
On May 06 2019 13:10 DucK- wrote: Just watched it. 6/10 in my opinion. Probably harsh cuz I expected much more. I thought as a standalone it was a poor movie. But as the finale of this mcu phase, it did a decent job in tying everything up. I usually don't like time travels, but I can accept the logic discussed by banner and ancient one. However, I absolutely hate how cap stayed in the past and showed up as an old man in the present. There's no logic behind this because the cap that went back in the past is not the same cap that is old. I like thanos change in view from eliminating half to eliminating everything in the universe. I thought it made sense because he became aware of how his plan didn't exactly turn out the way he envisioned. I like what they did with thor. He loss his parents, loss his brother, loss his best asgard pals, loss his city, loss half of his people and fucked up cuz he didn't go for the head. He was rightfully depressed so I enjoyed his character. I disliked what they did with captain marvel. She felt way too op and for all the hype she brought, she was criminally underused. I don't really know her skillset, it appears to be just headfirst flying through everybody and it feels so boring. Basically you could remove her and the only minor problem you have is how to save Tony from space. Where was she the whole time when they were attempting time traveling? Was she informed of the plan? How did she know to fly back? I dislike the pacing of this movie. There were too little fights. First 2/3 was just story telling. The only real fight is the big one, where there were too many characters fighting each other for screentime. For a 3 hour movie, i was expecting much much more. Infinity War was brilliant. Skirmishes after skirmishes to ensure every superhero was featured adequately. Also how the hell does cap shoot lightning? Wielding and summoning the mjolnir is fine, but isn't the hammer just a tool for thor to better control his lightning, rather than being a lightning blaster itself. And why in the midst of all the desparate fighting would cap even think about attempting to wield the mjolnir. Was Hawkeye going full vigilante really necessary? Does it make sense that potts joins the last fight in the suit? Why is there so little hulk smash. This version of hulk is a literal joke. Is Wanda really that strong in mcu at that point in time? Then there's the inconsistency with touching the stones. The power stone alone contained so much power that the collector's servant got fried touching it. GotG struggled to contain the power. After so many years of study, how did the avengers know how to make a stone out of the aether. How did they get the stone out of tessaract. How did they know how to design a gauntlet equal to the infinity gauntlet that's capable of holding all 6 stones using earthly materials. Remember the gauntlet had to be forged by some dwarf blacksmith guy using a burning star and yet Tony could build one in his lab. Basically I feel empty with this movie not because its over but because it did not turn out the way I liked. Actually after typing this whole chunk, I'll revise my rating to 4/10. I think you missed the major plot point of captian america decided to stay in the past right after the war in order to live his life with the woman he loved. He lived with her and then aged naturaly until showing up again on that bench with the sheild in its case. Captian marvel was trying to help the rest of the universe deal with half their population being killed and various other galactic issues. She has to take time to travel back to earth from whatever method used to communicate to her that she should come back. The hammer was how Thor used lightning before learning how to do it on his own in Ragnarok. I don't understand why picking up a weapon in the middle of a battlefield is a bad idea. Hawkeyes family died in front of him bro. Thats an incredibly traumatic experience for a guy who did everything bad that he did for that family and then they're all dead. What does he do with his life afterward? Also ronin was a comic book thing and this was the way to use that. Hulk having balance is a nice tie down for his trilogy. Wanda is a special case because of shes the daughter of Magneto in the comic books but obviously, she can't be a mutant because xmen wasn't Disney. She has the power to rework reality in whatever image she wants to. The powers she currently uses is limited by the fact that its all she believes she can do at the moment. They used a tool to get the stone out of the ether. The Tesseract was always just a box with the stone in it. They had the gauntlet still from killing thanos at the start and presumably they figured it out in the 5 years that they had. I don't like your post because instead of providing any perspective on what you wanted or was hoping for all you did was complain, sometimes about petty things movies should be allowed to take liberties on. What were you hoping for in endgame? | ||
Zexion
Sweden971 Posts
On May 06 2019 13:10 DucK- wrote: Just watched it. 6/10 in my opinion. Probably harsh cuz I expected much more. I thought as a standalone it was a poor movie. But as the finale of this mcu phase, it did a decent job in tying everything up. I usually don't like time travels, but I can accept the logic discussed by banner and ancient one. However, I absolutely hate how cap stayed in the past and showed up as an old man in the present. There's no logic behind this because the cap that went back in the past is not the same cap that is old. I like thanos change in view from eliminating half to eliminating everything in the universe. I thought it made sense because he became aware of how his plan didn't exactly turn out the way he envisioned. I like what they did with thor. He loss his parents, loss his brother, loss his best asgard pals, loss his city, loss half of his people and fucked up cuz he didn't go for the head. He was rightfully depressed so I enjoyed his character. I disliked what they did with captain marvel. She felt way too op and for all the hype she brought, she was criminally underused. I don't really know her skillset, it appears to be just headfirst flying through everybody and it feels so boring. Basically you could remove her and the only minor problem you have is how to save Tony from space. Where was she the whole time when they were attempting time traveling? Was she informed of the plan? How did she know to fly back? I dislike the pacing of this movie. There were too little fights. First 2/3 was just story telling. The only real fight is the big one, where there were too many characters fighting each other for screentime. For a 3 hour movie, i was expecting much much more. Infinity War was brilliant. Skirmishes after skirmishes to ensure every superhero was featured adequately. Also how the hell does cap shoot lightning? Wielding and summoning the mjolnir is fine, but isn't the hammer just a tool for thor to better control his lightning, rather than being a lightning blaster itself. And why in the midst of all the desparate fighting would cap even think about attempting to wield the mjolnir. Was Hawkeye going full vigilante really necessary? Does it make sense that potts joins the last fight in the suit? Why is there so little hulk smash. This version of hulk is a literal joke. Is Wanda really that strong in mcu at that point in time? Then there's the inconsistency with touching the stones. The power stone alone contained so much power that the collector's servant got fried touching it. GotG struggled to contain the power. After so many years of study, how did the avengers know how to make a stone out of the aether. How did they get the stone out of tessaract. How did they know how to design a gauntlet equal to the infinity gauntlet that's capable of holding all 6 stones using earthly materials. Remember the gauntlet had to be forged by some dwarf blacksmith guy using a burning star and yet Tony could build one in his lab. Basically I feel empty with this movie not because its over but because it did not turn out the way I liked. Actually after typing this whole chunk, I'll revise my rating to 4/10. I don't really get where that criticism is coming from. Almost every point you bring up has a logical explanation to it. I agree IW was better, but then again, I think it's pretty hard to top that. Also, movies using time travel will always have problems. Endgame was all about closure for some major characters, some build-up for Phase 4 (several scenes in the end), and a lot of pure fan service. From that point of view, the movie was pretty good. Not IW-good, but still far better than mediocre even as a standalone movie (which isn't even relevant since the whole point is that the movie is the conclusion of, what, 22 movies starting with Iron Man?) Sermokala gave you pretty good answers already, but I'd to add one thing about Cap lifting Mjolnir - it's not like it came from nowhere. They teased it in Age of Ultron and he even does it at some point in the comics. And who would NOT think of lifting one of the strongest weapons in the universe against one of the strongest creatures in the universe?! It f*****g shoots lightning! | ||
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