Release date April 24th a lot of the world April 25th in some places April 26th in some other places including the US
Synopsis Avengers: Endgame is the sequel to 2018's smash hit The Snappening. The film follows the members of a support group as they try to come to terms with a shared traumatic event.
The latest Marvel tentpole likely deserves its own thread.
On May 01 2019 17:03 Pandemona wrote: No need for spoilers btw guys, if you are coming into the marvel avengers : end game thread with the view of not finding spoilers you are very crazy!
The whole time travel/ not time travel thing is confusing as hell... So 5 years has passed but everyone that died in the snap has been brought back to life? Those that are back would not have aged, but those that survived would have aged five years... What? This makes no sense even in the other movie verses.
Will go and see it tonight. I am so hyped!! Saw some spoiler free reviews from some youtubers that claim the movie is epic. That 7.5 from StealthBlue shocked me.
Maybe this is inevitable, but kind of like RotK for LotR, since you basically know how it should end, there was a lot less thrill for this one for me compared to Infinity War. Yes the final battle scene is epic and all (sort of like the Rohan Cavalry charge against the Mordor Orcs at Minas Tirith), but nothing really surprises you that much.
I loved the nostalgia factor in going back to parts of previous films. It was good to see some of these characters again for one last time.
Thanos (and all his minions for that matter) was disappointing. I loved how they portrayed Thanos in Infinity War, where we get to see a range of emotions from him that we normally don't see in movie villains. But here, he is just another bad guy imo, a monster that just swings a big weapon. And for all that effort, did he even kill anyone in Endgame? In Infinity War, right off the bat, he dominated Hulk and kills Heimdall and Loki and sets the tone for what kind of guy he is/can be, but in Endgame? But to be honest, out-doing what they did with Thanos in Infinity War is probably an impossible task.
Why do I get the feeling that Cpt. Marvel was under-utilized. I mean, yes, one could argue what she does in the film is important (like saving Iron Man from space or destroying Thano's ship), but seriously? They made a whole movie just so they could explain how Iron Man made it back to Earth? I mean, I totally agree that someone who just came into the scene shouldn't be getting all the spotlight over the veterans, but I just can't help but feel that all this Cpt. Marvel hype of "the avengers couldn't do it by themselves, so now they need her" was for nothing. They way the movie played out, it almost seemed like the avengers COULD get it done without her. She was just there as a space tow truck for Iron Man.
All in all, it was a fun movie for sure, but I would rate Infinity War higher. But that's just me.
On April 24 2019 21:48 ffswowsucks wrote: Will go and see it tonight. I am so hyped!! Saw some spoiler free reviews from some youtubers that claim the movie is epic. That 7.5 from StealthBlue shocked me.
Saw it today. I would rate it 7.5-8 as well. I dont give spoilers obviously. Its not a bad movie, but its not the 10/10 I potentially expected which might also be a factor.
On April 24 2019 22:33 don_kyuhote wrote: Saw it today in Korea. + Show Spoiler +
Maybe this is inevitable, but kind of like RotK for LotR, since you basically know how it should end, there was a lot less thrill for this one for me compared to Infinity War. Yes the final battle scene is epic and all (sort of like the Rohan Cavalry charge against the Mordor Orcs at Minas Tirith), but nothing really surprises you that much.
I loved the nostalgia factor in going back to parts of previous films. It was good to see some of these characters again for one last time.
Thanos (and all his minions for that matter) was disappointing. I loved how they portrayed Thanos in Infinity War, where we get to see a range of emotions from him that we normally don't see in movie villains. But here, he is just another bad guy imo, a monster that just swings a big weapon. And for all that effort, did he even kill anyone in Endgame? In Infinity War, right off the bat, he dominated Hulk and kills Heimdall and Loki and sets the tone for what kind of guy he is/can be, but in Endgame? But to be honest, out-doing what they did with Thanos in Infinity War is probably an impossible task.
Why do I get the feeling that Cpt. Marvel was under-utilized. I mean, yes, one could argue what she does in the film is important (like saving Iron Man from space or destroying Thano's ship), but seriously? They made a whole movie just so they could explain how Iron Man made it back to Earth? I mean, I totally agree that someone who just came into the scene shouldn't be getting all the spotlight over the veterans, but I just can't help but feel that all this Cpt. Marvel hype of "the avengers couldn't do it by themselves, so now they need her" was for nothing. They way the movie played out, it almost seemed like the avengers COULD get it done without her. She was just there as a space tow truck for Iron Man.
All in all, it was a fun movie for sure, but I would rate Infinity War higher. But that's just me.
I agree with most of your points. For me the Avengers / Infinity Saga was kind of a superb setup for having no happy end at all. Obviously that has a real bitter taste but if you end a saga, you can take a chance. I am not an avid comic reader so I cannot say how close or far they are from the comics if they are related at all. Sorry didn't read it up at all.
I felt when Thanos got the gauntlet and said that he is unavoidable that should have ended right there with him dominating. I am not DISAPPOINTED in the movie but yeah - agreed on all of your aspects
Just saw it. I went through a lot of emotions. But I can't rate it yet. I'm confused. I like a lot of things in the movie, but one thing made it meh at the end.
The time travel stuff, although it was pretty well thought, had completely broke of the immersion of the 22 previous movies for me. I mean, what prevents them now to go get ANY of the dead heroes in the past and bring them back, even temporarly ? It's just... easy. I wanted SO much to get an epic ending, and I kinda got it, but it's bugging me that they used time travel.
About the future movies, at the moment i'm not even interested anymore. They need to bring a SOLID explanation for me to believe that everything is just fine in the far from home movie. Fuck, then even broke my excitation about AoS returning soon. Immersion definitly broken for me now.
Just saw it. Dunno what you guys are on about, easy 10/10. There was a standing frikkin ovation in the cinema afterwards, something I've never seen before at least. Nostalgia probably helps a bit, this movie is the accumulation of 11 years of MCU after all, bit it's a great movie even without it.
I'm surprised people think the villain wasn't as good as Infinity war considering it'sthe same frikkin guy. We've already had an entire movie dedicated to his motivations and resolve. This is the second part of that movie where the good guys gets to test theirs against his, and it was an epic ride from start to finish. And a great farewell to all those who helped make the MCU what it is
On April 25 2019 06:47 Excludos wrote: Just saw it. Dunno what you guys are on about, easy 10/10. There was a standing frikkin ovation in the cinema afterwards, something I've never seen before at least. Nostalgia probably helps a bit, this movie is the accumulation of 11 years of MCU after all, bit it's a great movie even without it.
I'm surprised people think the villain wasn't as good as Infinity war considering it'sthe same frikkin guy. We've already had an entire movie dedicated to his motivations and resolve. This is the second part of that movie where the good guys gets to test theirs against his, and it was an epic ride from start to finish. And a great farewell to all those who helped make the MCU what it is
You realize the MCU isn't over right? This wasn't even the final movie of Phase 3. Spider-Man: Far From Home is the final movie of Phase 3 and it will start phase 4. (of course some heroes we won't see for a long time) Of course its t he same guy, but with different motivation. Also I feel this movie had a lot of pacing issues. They wanted to get to 3 hours which you could tell. The first 1.5 hours and I do LIKE build up and story building, were written and cut slow and felt ... well not pointless, but for the duration a bit thin content wise.
Also as I believe I said - I think it would have been a better ending if being closer to the comics, where Thanos kinda wins after Infinity War, then beats down every last hero. This is of course not the end of it - and I understand why they didn't go this road.
On April 24 2019 22:33 don_kyuhote wrote: Saw it today in Korea. + Show Spoiler +
Maybe this is inevitable, but kind of like RotK for LotR, since you basically know how it should end, there was a lot less thrill for this one for me compared to Infinity War. Yes the final battle scene is epic and all (sort of like the Rohan Cavalry charge against the Mordor Orcs at Minas Tirith), but nothing really surprises you that much.
I loved the nostalgia factor in going back to parts of previous films. It was good to see some of these characters again for one last time.
Thanos (and all his minions for that matter) was disappointing. I loved how they portrayed Thanos in Infinity War, where we get to see a range of emotions from him that we normally don't see in movie villains. But here, he is just another bad guy imo, a monster that just swings a big weapon. And for all that effort, did he even kill anyone in Endgame? In Infinity War, right off the bat, he dominated Hulk and kills Heimdall and Loki and sets the tone for what kind of guy he is/can be, but in Endgame? But to be honest, out-doing what they did with Thanos in Infinity War is probably an impossible task.
Why do I get the feeling that Cpt. Marvel was under-utilized. I mean, yes, one could argue what she does in the film is important (like saving Iron Man from space or destroying Thano's ship), but seriously? They made a whole movie just so they could explain how Iron Man made it back to Earth? I mean, I totally agree that someone who just came into the scene shouldn't be getting all the spotlight over the veterans, but I just can't help but feel that all this Cpt. Marvel hype of "the avengers couldn't do it by themselves, so now they need her" was for nothing. They way the movie played out, it almost seemed like the avengers COULD get it done without her. She was just there as a space tow truck for Iron Man.
All in all, it was a fun movie for sure, but I would rate Infinity War higher. But that's just me.
Because Cpt. Marvel movie was rushed due to, oddly enough, Marvel/Disney writing themselves into a corner. If anyone has seen the Cpt. Marvel film can easily see how it was seemingly rushed into production,writing, in order to be finished before Infinity War ended. I agree they could have easily done it without her while taking the time to introduce her but this is what we got, plot holes and everything with the Cpt. Marvel film.
Hence the reason she went to "patrol" the other planets etc. because she simply had to be plugged into a film that didn't really need her at all nor the universe as a whole to begin with. Because she wasn't introduced earlier.
On April 24 2019 22:33 don_kyuhote wrote: Saw it today in Korea. + Show Spoiler +
Maybe this is inevitable, but kind of like RotK for LotR, since you basically know how it should end, there was a lot less thrill for this one for me compared to Infinity War. Yes the final battle scene is epic and all (sort of like the Rohan Cavalry charge against the Mordor Orcs at Minas Tirith), but nothing really surprises you that much.
I loved the nostalgia factor in going back to parts of previous films. It was good to see some of these characters again for one last time.
Thanos (and all his minions for that matter) was disappointing. I loved how they portrayed Thanos in Infinity War, where we get to see a range of emotions from him that we normally don't see in movie villains. But here, he is just another bad guy imo, a monster that just swings a big weapon. And for all that effort, did he even kill anyone in Endgame? In Infinity War, right off the bat, he dominated Hulk and kills Heimdall and Loki and sets the tone for what kind of guy he is/can be, but in Endgame? But to be honest, out-doing what they did with Thanos in Infinity War is probably an impossible task.
Why do I get the feeling that Cpt. Marvel was under-utilized. I mean, yes, one could argue what she does in the film is important (like saving Iron Man from space or destroying Thano's ship), but seriously? They made a whole movie just so they could explain how Iron Man made it back to Earth? I mean, I totally agree that someone who just came into the scene shouldn't be getting all the spotlight over the veterans, but I just can't help but feel that all this Cpt. Marvel hype of "the avengers couldn't do it by themselves, so now they need her" was for nothing. They way the movie played out, it almost seemed like the avengers COULD get it done without her. She was just there as a space tow truck for Iron Man.
All in all, it was a fun movie for sure, but I would rate Infinity War higher. But that's just me.
Because Cpt. Marvel movie was rushed due to, oddly enough, Marvel/Disney writing themselves into a corner. If anyone has seen the Cpt. Marvel film can easily see how it was seemingly rushed into production,writing, in order to be finished before Infinity War ended. I agree they could have easily done it without her while taking the time to introduce her but this is what we got, plot holes and everything with the Cpt. Marvel film.
Hence the reason she went to "patrol" the other planets etc. because she simply had to be plugged into a film that didn't really need her at all nor the universe as a whole to begin with. Because she wasn't introduced earlier.
I really liked Thor as "Lebowski" type character.i think hemsworth could easily play in a comedy and also really hope new guardians of the galaxy has him in it The scene with thor and quil towards the end was really got me laughing alot. Now i dont get why the hell cpt america is able to swing thors hammer and also fire lighting from it. And cpt america going to be a black guy from now on? I dont have anything against black people but it was kinda shows marvel is doing this on purpose to you know say here we support black people get your superhero or that other scene were there is cpt marvel picking up the stones and all women go around her like ok we get it, girl power so u want to have women to like marvel. Also a random question. Xmen are marvel why we dont see them in these films?
On April 25 2019 06:47 Excludos wrote: Just saw it. Dunno what you guys are on about, easy 10/10. There was a standing frikkin ovation in the cinema afterwards, something I've never seen before at least. Nostalgia probably helps a bit, this movie is the accumulation of 11 years of MCU after all, bit it's a great movie even without it.
I'm surprised people think the villain wasn't as good as Infinity war considering it'sthe same frikkin guy. We've already had an entire movie dedicated to his motivations and resolve. This is the second part of that movie where the good guys gets to test theirs against his, and it was an epic ride from start to finish. And a great farewell to all those who helped make the MCU what it is
You realize the MCU isn't over right? This wasn't even the final movie of Phase 3. Spider-Man: Far From Home is the final movie of Phase 3 and it will start phase 4. (of course some heroes we won't see for a long time) Of course its t he same guy, but with different motivation. Also I feel this movie had a lot of pacing issues. They wanted to get to 3 hours which you could tell. The first 1.5 hours and I do LIKE build up and story building, were written and cut slow and felt ... well not pointless, but for the duration a bit thin content wise.
Also as I believe I said - I think it would have been a better ending if being closer to the comics, where Thanos kinda wins after Infinity War, then beats down every last hero. This is of course not the end of it - and I understand why they didn't go this road.
MCU absolutely isn't over, dunno why you'd think I thought that, but the era definitively is. All the original avengers have successfully passed on the torch. While I'm sure we'll be seeing some of them again, others make that difficult for obvious reasons. It was very emotional to see everything that has happened in the last 11 years lead up to this very moment.
The reason you can't "end it like the comics" is because the comics aren't one unified story. It's a bunch of random short and longer stories where if something happens that is difficult to repair, they can just throw that out into its own universe or timeline. And while it would be interesting to end with Thanos winning, it would be an impossible task to continue an MCU where half of the population is dead. Some might feel that the time travel bit was a cop out, but it was inevitable after Infinity war, and the way they did it was very tasteful. They didn't make as strict of rules as I would have wanted for why some people can't be brought back, but they at least addressed it. They also didn't use the age old trope of "changing the future by changing the past", which I am very thankful for.
I didn't notice any pacing problems in the cinema, but I was also heavily invested and at the edge of my seat for most of it. These are things I might notice if I rewatch it at home later, when I'm less overwhelmed by the spectacles.
On April 25 2019 14:12 ffswowsucks wrote: Oh boy. I was really hoping this to be a masterpiece but i dunno i just didnt like it that much. A 6.5-7 in my eyes.
Simplified answer: The characters in the MCU (with certain exceptions) are licensed to Disney, while the X-Men were licensed to Fox. Now that Disney's acquired Fox, Disney will be able to start producing films with the X-Men characters.
Spider-Man is licensed to Sony, but they cut a deal with Disney before Captain America: Civil War so that the character can appear in the MCU.
On April 25 2019 14:12 ffswowsucks wrote: Oh boy. I was really hoping this to be a masterpiece but i dunno i just didnt like it that much. A 6.5-7 in my eyes.
Simplified answer: The characters in the MCU (with certain exceptions) are licensed to Disney, while the X-Men were licensed to Fox. Now that Disney's acquired Fox, Disney will be able to start producing films with the X-Men characters.
Spider-Man is licensed to Sony, but they cut a deal with Disney before Captain America: Civil War so that the character can appear in the MCU.
On April 24 2019 22:33 don_kyuhote wrote: Saw it today in Korea. + Show Spoiler +
Maybe this is inevitable, but kind of like RotK for LotR, since you basically know how it should end, there was a lot less thrill for this one for me compared to Infinity War. Yes the final battle scene is epic and all (sort of like the Rohan Cavalry charge against the Mordor Orcs at Minas Tirith), but nothing really surprises you that much.
holy shit the rohirrim charge is exactly what I thought of as well
Saw it yesterday and well, it's allright i guess? It had some funny scenes and the emotional stuff worked for me but all in all it felt a bit too all over the place... And large scale cgi battles are and allways will be bullshit.
In the final scene, when the point is, as someone said "get the stones as far away from here as possible!", why did they have to run around the battlefield? Why not just fly it away, like cpt Marvel could just zoom to the other end of the galaxy with the glove.
In the final scene, when the point is, as someone said "get the stones as far away from here as possible!", why did they have to run around the battlefield? Why not just fly it away, like cpt Marvel could just zoom to the other end of the galaxy with the glove.
I didn't think it was perfect and I thought Infinity War was a better movie for the most part, but Endgame was still damn entertaining. Marvel and Disney has created a monument of pop culture with their MCU.
I just wish it had an intermission so I didn't have to lose out on a few minutes near the end.
The gathering of heroes for the final battle really reminded me of Ready Player One, but a lot better because these characters have been fleshed out and developed, as opposed to being a bunch of Easter Eggs
Also, who was the man at the funeral promising the cheeseburgers to Iron Man's daughter?
1) The Captain legacy, he gave it to Sam, but how does this make any sense, since, sam is an ordinary human, he cannot really take advantage of the shield. I was expecting to give ti to Bucky, since, he as GMO human can actually use it vs powerful weapons. Perhaps the shield will become just a relic from the past and Sam will not really use it or Sam will just no longer appear, was this just the end for these personages? What do you guys think?
2) How come the captain was capable of throwing lightnings ? I understand that he became worthy to carry it, but lightnings?
3) How did tony stole the stones from the glove and how come he had another glove to put them on and why ordinary people like Clint were able to carry stones that are supposed to tear them apart?
4) Why would they not go back in the past and bring another tony from there?
The gathering of heroes for the final battle really reminded me of Ready Player One, but a lot better because these characters have been fleshed out and developed, as opposed to being a bunch of Easter Eggs
Also, who was the man at the funeral promising the cheeseburgers to Iron Man's daughter?
John Favreau he was in the iron man movies and the spiderman movie. He directed Elf and the first two Iron man movies before becoming the Executive producer on the third iron man movie and the last three avengers movie.
1) The Captain legacy, he gave it to Sam, but how does this make any sense, since, sam is an ordinary human, he cannot really take advantage of the shield. I was expecting to give ti to Bucky, since, he as GMO human can actually use it vs powerful weapons. Perhaps the shield will become just a relic from the past and Sam will not really use it or Sam will just no longer appear, was this just the end for these personages? What do you guys think?
2) How come the captain was capable of throwing lightnings ? I understand that he became worthy to carry it, but lightnings?
3) How did tony stole the stones from the glove and how come he had another glove to put them on and why ordinary people like Clint were able to carry stones that are supposed to tear them apart?
4) Why would they not go back in the past and bring another tony from there?
1 yeah This happens in the comic book, He just becomes captain America and starts doing captain American things
2. I guess its just a function of the hammer
3. Tony stole the stones realy quick while he was grapeling with thanos and is armor is nanoparticles anyway so tey could just reform the way he wanted them to I guess.
4 They would mess up the timeline not that the entire timeline is already wrecked with thanos coming to modern time from before GOTG 1
The gathering of heroes for the final battle really reminded me of Ready Player One, but a lot better because these characters have been fleshed out and developed, as opposed to being a bunch of Easter Eggs
Also, who was the man at the funeral promising the cheeseburgers to Iron Man's daughter?
John Favreau he was in the iron man movies and the spiderman movie. He directed Elf and the first two Iron man movies before becoming the Executive producer on the third iron man movie and the last three avengers movie.
Thanks - I"ll probably have to rewatch some of those movies. Couldn't keep up with all the characters
On April 27 2019 05:21 eviltomahawk wrote: I didn't think it was perfect and I thought Infinity War was a better movie for the most part, but Endgame was still damn entertaining. Marvel and Disney has created a monument of pop culture with their MCU.
I just wish it had an intermission so I didn't have to lose out on a few minutes near the end.
Same. I really liked it, but I definitely enjoyed Infinity War a lot more. I am curious where it's going to go from here.
I enjoyed Inifity war more but I think that Endgame is a better movie because it had a lot more to do and was burdened by being a movie with an ending.
Its a lot like bojack horseman. That show will speak to some people and break them on the deepest emotional level. Free churro is the best episode of television and I will take my shirt off right now and knife fight you about it.
On April 27 2019 05:21 eviltomahawk wrote: I didn't think it was perfect and I thought Infinity War was a better movie for the most part, but Endgame was still damn entertaining. Marvel and Disney has created a monument of pop culture with their MCU.
I just wish it had an intermission so I didn't have to lose out on a few minutes near the end.
Same. I really liked it, but I definitely enjoyed Infinity War a lot more. I am curious where it's going to go from here.
It's gonna be hella hard to match the same scale of buildup that the MCU was doing up to Infinity War. However, I'm not familiar with the comics, so I'm also curious if there are any other storylines that are worth big multi-movie arcs. It might be entirely possible that future movies focus on smaller-scale stories and heroes with only references and cameos to the rest of the MCU. Whatever happens, I think it's impressive to see how well Disney pulled off these first 3 phases of the MCU for the most part, and I'm confident that there'll be at least some good movies to come in the future phases even if they don't match the ambition of what they've already done.
Well we kinda need a big villain don't we. Dormammu we already saw and he isn't defeated. So there is a chance he will return. Issue always being that you cannot really portrait the real strength. Couldn't do it for Thanos, won't be able to do it for more powerful beings
The time travel to previous movies was a neat tie-in, but oftentimes it honestly felt like it recycled plot points or introduced drama that really didn't have a chance to play out organically. Avengers movies always have too much going on, but the plot points here too often felt just a little too... convenient. Only dragon ball hunting adventure that really "worked" in terms of introducing meaningful character development was the Thor and Frigga interaction; the rest just kind of ended up being filler time.
Had a lot of really solid humor and the big grand battles were fun to watch. Feels like it tried to resolve far too many plot elements for its own good, and ended up rushing to the finish line, though.
First of all I thought it was an excellent movie. It probably didn't blow most people away as much as Infinity War did, but there are several key reasons for that:
1. Expectations: Because of how good Infinity War was and because it was the finale of a 22 movie, 11 year stretching era, expectations were unrealistically high. Not only that, everyone was expecting different things from this movie, which can only result in disappointment for many.
2. History: Closely related to point 1, there many, MANY loose knots to tie up, plots to delevope, relatioships to toggle and stories to finish. Doing all of that in just one 3 hour movie is close to impossible.
3. Scope: Due to the sheer magnitude of the MCU and its history, there were simply too many charatercs, specficially too many super heroes. There is no way all of them are going to get enough screen time, but at the same time, you cannot just NOT show them, so the directors and writers had to find a balance for every single story, every single character.
4. Infinity War's Legacy: As I said before, expectations were insanely high, mostly because Infinity War. But here's the crux: Infinity War had two things going for it - A badass super villain that was able to defeat all the heroes by himself, and an ending which let the bad guys win for a change. This was both a blessing and a curse, because a) having one big badass has one major downside: He can't be everywhere at once and he can't fight all of them at the same time. It's insanely hard to make him not either too powerful or too weak, and I feel that marvel has done an excellent job at that. But that is also what made that final battle feel meaningless apart from the scenes with Thanos in them due to what I refer to as the "cannonfodder effect". We know that neither of the heroes are gonna be hurt or stopped by a random alien, no matter how big it is. Mostly movies avoid that by introducing several super villains to go toe to toe with the heroes, but those had already been defeated in the 21 movies leading up to Endgame. It also would have made Thanos less important and thus ultimately meant that Infinity War could never have been as impactful as it was. Similarly the ending of infinity War mostly forced Marvel's hand. We knew the heroes somehow had to turn back time in order to win. Not only that, they actually HAD to win period, in order to continue the MCU in its current state.
So all things considered, Marvel did a fantastic job imo. There were twists, there was humor, there was drama, there was suspense, there was fan service, there was loss, there was mourning, there was hope and there was for my taste a perfect last scene that sums up all of what the MCU stood for. It wasn't perfect, but it was as good as we could have hoped for considering the stakes and expectations. I mean compare this to the shit show that is star wars these days.
On April 27 2019 20:10 InFiNitY[pG] wrote: I mean compare this to the shit show that is star wars these days.
Please, let's not. Let's focus on the MCU and Endgame. We can have another thread for Star Wars if/when needed.
I think you misread my point, I wanted people to compare the quality of the recent MCU movies and the star wars movies respectively inside their own heads, not vocally in this thread.
On April 27 2019 20:10 InFiNitY[pG] wrote: I mean compare this to the shit show that is star wars these days.
Please, let's not. Let's focus on the MCU and Endgame. We can have another thread for Star Wars if/when needed.
I think you misread my point, I wanted people to compare the quality of the recent MCU movies and the star wars movies respectively inside their own heads, not vocally in this thread.
A pre-emptive post in that I just don't want this to turn into (another) shouting match
I saw it on Thursday after work. Copped 3D because I was in a rush to get the pre-order tickets when they released. Didn't ruin the film, but I'll have to see it in IMAX to get a better feeling.
All in all, it hit every emotional string and I found myself surprised how much I was invested in these films. A lot of the moments were just perfectly portrayed.
non-need of Capt Marvel. She just delayed Thanos by like 2-3 seconds. Captain America wielding the hammer was amazing but the lightning was kinda forced. And where the hell did he put it after he time traveled back? Sam becoming Black Capt is amazing (he becomes CA in the comics, as does Bucky but I guess they didn't want him to take over).
On April 27 2019 23:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I saw it on Thursday after work. Copped 3D because I was in a rush to get the pre-order tickets when they released. Didn't ruin the film, but I'll have to see it in IMAX to get a better feeling.
All in all, it hit every emotional string and I found myself surprised how much I was invested in these films. A lot of the moments were just perfectly portrayed.
non-need of Capt Marvel. She just delayed Thanos by like 2-3 seconds. Captain America wielding the hammer was amazing but the lightning was kinda forced. And where the hell did he put it after he time traveled back? Sam becoming Black Capt is amazing (he becomes CA in the comics, as does Bucky but I guess they didn't want him to take over).
Oddly enough I found your issue to be one of the movie's strong suits. People were expecting the introduction Cpt Marvel to be a cop out as to how to save the world. Instead, she barely made any difference within the movie. What I didn't like was that they had no introductory scene for when she met the other avengers. She was just "there" all of the sudden. I am sure I saw a scene about the avengers checking out Fury's signal in one of the post credit scenes or a trailer, so the producers probably just cut that part?
Unrelated question: How did the Avengers know that the time stone would be in New York at that time, when it was five years before Dr. Strange even acquired it?
On April 27 2019 23:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I saw it on Thursday after work. Copped 3D because I was in a rush to get the pre-order tickets when they released. Didn't ruin the film, but I'll have to see it in IMAX to get a better feeling.
All in all, it hit every emotional string and I found myself surprised how much I was invested in these films. A lot of the moments were just perfectly portrayed.
non-need of Capt Marvel. She just delayed Thanos by like 2-3 seconds. Captain America wielding the hammer was amazing but the lightning was kinda forced. And where the hell did he put it after he time traveled back? Sam becoming Black Capt is amazing (he becomes CA in the comics, as does Bucky but I guess they didn't want him to take over).
Oddly enough I found your issue to be one of the movie's strong suits. People were expecting the introduction Cpt Marvel to be a cop out as to how to save the world. Instead, she barely made any difference within the movie. What I didn't like was that they had no introductory scene for when she met the other avengers. She was just "there" all of the sudden. I am sure I saw a scene about the avengers checking out Fury's signal in one of the post credit scenes or a trailer, so the producers probably just cut that part?
Unrelated question: How did the Avengers know that the time stone would be in New York at that time, when it was five years before Dr. Strange even acquired it?
On April 27 2019 23:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I saw it on Thursday after work. Copped 3D because I was in a rush to get the pre-order tickets when they released. Didn't ruin the film, but I'll have to see it in IMAX to get a better feeling.
All in all, it hit every emotional string and I found myself surprised how much I was invested in these films. A lot of the moments were just perfectly portrayed.
non-need of Capt Marvel. She just delayed Thanos by like 2-3 seconds. Captain America wielding the hammer was amazing but the lightning was kinda forced. And where the hell did he put it after he time traveled back? Sam becoming Black Capt is amazing (he becomes CA in the comics, as does Bucky but I guess they didn't want him to take over).
I think it's already established by the previous time travel plotlines that they can make multiple jumps to any place as well as time. I'm guessing when Cap jumped to Asgard to return/inject the infinity stone back into Natalie Portman, he just left the hammer wherever there. Thor didn't wield the hammer until a bit later when the dark elves attacked.
On April 27 2019 23:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I saw it on Thursday after work. Copped 3D because I was in a rush to get the pre-order tickets when they released. Didn't ruin the film, but I'll have to see it in IMAX to get a better feeling.
All in all, it hit every emotional string and I found myself surprised how much I was invested in these films. A lot of the moments were just perfectly portrayed.
non-need of Capt Marvel. She just delayed Thanos by like 2-3 seconds. Captain America wielding the hammer was amazing but the lightning was kinda forced. And where the hell did he put it after he time traveled back? Sam becoming Black Capt is amazing (he becomes CA in the comics, as does Bucky but I guess they didn't want him to take over).
The hammer was one of the things that he put back in time. Its nominally suppose to be there for the frigga death scene and is delayed I guess because of this.
The problem with captian marvel is that she falls into the superman problem. If she does too much or is treated as "just another member of the team" she invalidates the need for anyone else. If she doesn't do anything at all its as if they didn't need her at all. I thought she had a good usage in the film destroying Thaos's flagship while having her shot at thanos as well.
I think Black cap works well as well. Bucky can be the white wolf for black panther while being flexed as an asset for black cap when he does something to get him out of America. Bucky has a good redemption arc in him and JEsus the black cap black panther movie just writes gold itself.
On April 27 2019 23:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I saw it on Thursday after work. Copped 3D because I was in a rush to get the pre-order tickets when they released. Didn't ruin the film, but I'll have to see it in IMAX to get a better feeling.
All in all, it hit every emotional string and I found myself surprised how much I was invested in these films. A lot of the moments were just perfectly portrayed.
non-need of Capt Marvel. She just delayed Thanos by like 2-3 seconds. Captain America wielding the hammer was amazing but the lightning was kinda forced. And where the hell did he put it after he time traveled back? Sam becoming Black Capt is amazing (he becomes CA in the comics, as does Bucky but I guess they didn't want him to take over).
The hammer was one of the things that he put back in time. Its nominally suppose to be there for the frigga death scene and is delayed I guess because of this.
The problem with captian marvel is that she falls into the superman problem. If she does too much or is treated as "just another member of the team" she invalidates the need for anyone else. If she doesn't do anything at all its as if they didn't need her at all. I thought she had a good usage in the film destroying Thaos's flagship while having her shot at thanos as well.
I think Black cap works well as well. Bucky can be the white wolf for black panther while being flexed as an asset for black cap when he does something to get him out of America. Bucky has a good redemption arc in him and JEsus the black cap black panther movie just writes gold itself.
Agreed on the last part. They are going to milk that BP + BC angle to death. But I'm all about it haha. If they don't give BC his own movie, then a series with BP and Shuri is more than welcome on their new streaming service.
On April 27 2019 23:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I saw it on Thursday after work. Copped 3D because I was in a rush to get the pre-order tickets when they released. Didn't ruin the film, but I'll have to see it in IMAX to get a better feeling.
All in all, it hit every emotional string and I found myself surprised how much I was invested in these films. A lot of the moments were just perfectly portrayed.
non-need of Capt Marvel. She just delayed Thanos by like 2-3 seconds. Captain America wielding the hammer was amazing but the lightning was kinda forced. And where the hell did he put it after he time traveled back? Sam becoming Black Capt is amazing (he becomes CA in the comics, as does Bucky but I guess they didn't want him to take over).
Oddly enough I found your issue to be one of the movie's strong suits. People were expecting the introduction Cpt Marvel to be a cop out as to how to save the world. Instead, she barely made any difference within the movie. What I didn't like was that they had no introductory scene for when she met the other avengers. She was just "there" all of the sudden. I am sure I saw a scene about the avengers checking out Fury's signal in one of the post credit scenes or a trailer, so the producers probably just cut that part?
Unrelated question: How did the Avengers know that the time stone would be in New York at that time, when it was five years before Dr. Strange even acquired it?
That is not an explanation at all. Black Widow (I think) said "if we hit the right time, three of the stones will be in New York". However, it was FIVE YEARS before Steven Strange became Dr. Strange. Knowing that he would own the stone in New York five years from now gave them no knowledge whatsoever where the stone would be at that time. By that reasoning, the stone could be literally anywhere in the universe.
On April 27 2019 23:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I saw it on Thursday after work. Copped 3D because I was in a rush to get the pre-order tickets when they released. Didn't ruin the film, but I'll have to see it in IMAX to get a better feeling.
All in all, it hit every emotional string and I found myself surprised how much I was invested in these films. A lot of the moments were just perfectly portrayed.
non-need of Capt Marvel. She just delayed Thanos by like 2-3 seconds. Captain America wielding the hammer was amazing but the lightning was kinda forced. And where the hell did he put it after he time traveled back? Sam becoming Black Capt is amazing (he becomes CA in the comics, as does Bucky but I guess they didn't want him to take over).
Oddly enough I found your issue to be one of the movie's strong suits. People were expecting the introduction Cpt Marvel to be a cop out as to how to save the world. Instead, she barely made any difference within the movie. What I didn't like was that they had no introductory scene for when she met the other avengers. She was just "there" all of the sudden. I am sure I saw a scene about the avengers checking out Fury's signal in one of the post credit scenes or a trailer, so the producers probably just cut that part?
Unrelated question: How did the Avengers know that the time stone would be in New York at that time, when it was five years before Dr. Strange even acquired it?
That is not an explanation at all. Black Widow (I think) said "if we hit the right time, three of the stones will be in New York". However, it was FIVE YEARS before Steven Strange became Dr. Strange. Knowing that he would own the stone in New York five years from now gave them no knowledge whatsoever where the stone would be at that time. By that reasoning, the stone could be literally anywhere in the universe.
But that place where Banner fell has been there for a long ass time and he was sent there because he knew exactly where it was. That's why it was him and not someone else. They knew about all of the events, so tracing things back would have been easy for them to do. And technically, he was Dr. Strange, just not Sorcerer Supreme Dr. Strange. And when the Chitari attacked, the Ancient One was defending the city as well, that's why she was there on the rooftop. She had to be there to protect the city from an off-world invasion.
1) How is Sam going to become the captain,since, he is an ordinary human and the shield cannot do a lot for him? I mean he cannot survive/block for example a tank shot with it. I would understand if Bucky took over, since, he might not be as strong as the captain, but still way more durable than a regular human
2) How were some ordinary people like Clint able to hold infinity stones, without getting torn by them. I think even the captain held one too and do you remember what happened to the red skull when he put one in his hand without protection? or what happened to the galaxy guardians when they tried that shit before
There was no need for the hammer to be returned or put back. Whatever happened with the hammer in the past and the previous movies already happened, only the stones break the timelines and create parallel universes and need to be put back, everything else, people, items its already in the current timeline past, going back in the past is actually something that happens in the future Hulk explained it. So getting back, stealing the hammer and using it to fight Thanos does not impact the fact that Hella broke it in the past and etc. The way it was explained they can even go back and bring a younger version of Ironman and revive him, however, they implied for consequences of time travel and that such actions are not recommended
1) I think it was more of a symbolic gesture? Like "You're the captain now" and not a literal "You will throw this shield around now" type of thing. Could still be useful of course since it is almost indestuctrible and absorbs vibrations and what not but I don't think it will be his main gimmick from now on.
2) I think The Glove tony made offered some kind of protection? It only started affecting the hulk when he actually put it on for real on his hand, Clint and Spider-man etc. were just carrying it around but not actually putting it on their hand. Flimsy, but I think that is what they were going for.
On April 27 2019 23:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I saw it on Thursday after work. Copped 3D because I was in a rush to get the pre-order tickets when they released. Didn't ruin the film, but I'll have to see it in IMAX to get a better feeling.
All in all, it hit every emotional string and I found myself surprised how much I was invested in these films. A lot of the moments were just perfectly portrayed.
non-need of Capt Marvel. She just delayed Thanos by like 2-3 seconds. Captain America wielding the hammer was amazing but the lightning was kinda forced. And where the hell did he put it after he time traveled back? Sam becoming Black Capt is amazing (he becomes CA in the comics, as does Bucky but I guess they didn't want him to take over).
Oddly enough I found your issue to be one of the movie's strong suits. People were expecting the introduction Cpt Marvel to be a cop out as to how to save the world. Instead, she barely made any difference within the movie. What I didn't like was that they had no introductory scene for when she met the other avengers. She was just "there" all of the sudden. I am sure I saw a scene about the avengers checking out Fury's signal in one of the post credit scenes or a trailer, so the producers probably just cut that part?
Unrelated question: How did the Avengers know that the time stone would be in New York at that time, when it was five years before Dr. Strange even acquired it?
That is not an explanation at all. Black Widow (I think) said "if we hit the right time, three of the stones will be in New York". However, it was FIVE YEARS before Steven Strange became Dr. Strange. Knowing that he would own the stone in New York five years from now gave them no knowledge whatsoever where the stone would be at that time. By that reasoning, the stone could be literally anywhere in the universe.
But that place where Banner fell has been there for a long ass time and he was sent there because he knew exactly where it was. That's why it was him and not someone else. They knew about all of the events, so tracing things back would have been easy for them to do. And technically, he was Dr. Strange, just not Sorcerer Supreme Dr. Strange. And when the Chitari attacked, the Ancient One was defending the city as well, that's why she was there on the rooftop. She had to be there to protect the city from an off-world invasion.
I'm sorry but I don't think you understand at all... All of what you are saying is true, but NOTHING you said explains why the TIME STONE should be there at that time OR why the avenergs should know about it being there
1) How is Sam going to become the captain,since, he is an ordinary human and the shield cannot do a lot for him? I mean he cannot survive/block for example a tank shot with it. I would understand if Bucky took over, since, he might not be as strong as the captain, but still way more durable than a regular human
2) How were some ordinary people like Clint able to hold infinity stones, without getting torn by them. I think even the captain held one too and do you remember what happened to the red skull when he put one in his hand without protection? or what happened to the galaxy guardians when they tried that shit before
I was under the impression that only the Power stone did that, because it gave the user power mere mortals can't handle. Tho I don't remember CA enough to remember what happened to the Red Skull or why. I also have zero idea how he ended up as the guardian/guide of the Soul stone
On April 27 2019 23:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I saw it on Thursday after work. Copped 3D because I was in a rush to get the pre-order tickets when they released. Didn't ruin the film, but I'll have to see it in IMAX to get a better feeling.
All in all, it hit every emotional string and I found myself surprised how much I was invested in these films. A lot of the moments were just perfectly portrayed.
non-need of Capt Marvel. She just delayed Thanos by like 2-3 seconds. Captain America wielding the hammer was amazing but the lightning was kinda forced. And where the hell did he put it after he time traveled back? Sam becoming Black Capt is amazing (he becomes CA in the comics, as does Bucky but I guess they didn't want him to take over).
Oddly enough I found your issue to be one of the movie's strong suits. People were expecting the introduction Cpt Marvel to be a cop out as to how to save the world. Instead, she barely made any difference within the movie. What I didn't like was that they had no introductory scene for when she met the other avengers. She was just "there" all of the sudden. I am sure I saw a scene about the avengers checking out Fury's signal in one of the post credit scenes or a trailer, so the producers probably just cut that part?
Unrelated question: How did the Avengers know that the time stone would be in New York at that time, when it was five years before Dr. Strange even acquired it?
That is not an explanation at all. Black Widow (I think) said "if we hit the right time, three of the stones will be in New York". However, it was FIVE YEARS before Steven Strange became Dr. Strange. Knowing that he would own the stone in New York five years from now gave them no knowledge whatsoever where the stone would be at that time. By that reasoning, the stone could be literally anywhere in the universe.
But that place where Banner fell has been there for a long ass time and he was sent there because he knew exactly where it was. That's why it was him and not someone else. They knew about all of the events, so tracing things back would have been easy for them to do. And technically, he was Dr. Strange, just not Sorcerer Supreme Dr. Strange. And when the Chitari attacked, the Ancient One was defending the city as well, that's why she was there on the rooftop. She had to be there to protect the city from an off-world invasion.
I'm sorry but I don't think you understand at all... All of what you are saying is true, but NOTHING you said explains why the TIME STONE should be there at that time OR why the avengers should know about it being there
They didn't know that Dr strange wouldn't be there with the time stone. They only met a short time ago when banner fell into the place in new york. They assumed he would be there with the stone and they had no other clue about where/when the stone would be.
1) How is Sam going to become the captain,since, he is an ordinary human and the shield cannot do a lot for him? I mean he cannot survive/block for example a tank shot with it. I would understand if Bucky took over, since, he might not be as strong as the captain, but still way more durable than a regular human
2) How were some ordinary people like Clint able to hold infinity stones, without getting torn by them. I think even the captain held one too and do you remember what happened to the red skull when he put one in his hand without protection? or what happened to the galaxy guardians when they tried that shit before
the stones only lent their power to the person with the stones when they wore the gauntlet with the stones. thats why we got an activation scene every time someone put it on / when thanos added a new one in infinity war.
1) How is Sam going to become the captain,since, he is an ordinary human and the shield cannot do a lot for him? I mean he cannot survive/block for example a tank shot with it. I would understand if Bucky took over, since, he might not be as strong as the captain, but still way more durable than a regular human
2) How were some ordinary people like Clint able to hold infinity stones, without getting torn by them. I think even the captain held one too and do you remember what happened to the red skull when he put one in his hand without protection? or what happened to the galaxy guardians when they tried that shit before
Sam can possibly get Professor Hulk to synthesize the soldier serum and he can become hulk. Or he can get a custom suit from Wakanda and that will help him. The Shield is just that, a shield.
Only when you try to use the power, does the stones activate. If you're just holding it, it doesn't do anything. The GoG used the Power Stone to defeat Ronin. Also, I think the Russo Bros retconned that part.
On April 27 2019 23:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I saw it on Thursday after work. Copped 3D because I was in a rush to get the pre-order tickets when they released. Didn't ruin the film, but I'll have to see it in IMAX to get a better feeling.
All in all, it hit every emotional string and I found myself surprised how much I was invested in these films. A lot of the moments were just perfectly portrayed.
non-need of Capt Marvel. She just delayed Thanos by like 2-3 seconds. Captain America wielding the hammer was amazing but the lightning was kinda forced. And where the hell did he put it after he time traveled back? Sam becoming Black Capt is amazing (he becomes CA in the comics, as does Bucky but I guess they didn't want him to take over).
Oddly enough I found your issue to be one of the movie's strong suits. People were expecting the introduction Cpt Marvel to be a cop out as to how to save the world. Instead, she barely made any difference within the movie. What I didn't like was that they had no introductory scene for when she met the other avengers. She was just "there" all of the sudden. I am sure I saw a scene about the avengers checking out Fury's signal in one of the post credit scenes or a trailer, so the producers probably just cut that part?
Unrelated question: How did the Avengers know that the time stone would be in New York at that time, when it was five years before Dr. Strange even acquired it?
That is not an explanation at all. Black Widow (I think) said "if we hit the right time, three of the stones will be in New York". However, it was FIVE YEARS before Steven Strange became Dr. Strange. Knowing that he would own the stone in New York five years from now gave them no knowledge whatsoever where the stone would be at that time. By that reasoning, the stone could be literally anywhere in the universe.
But that place where Banner fell has been there for a long ass time and he was sent there because he knew exactly where it was. That's why it was him and not someone else. They knew about all of the events, so tracing things back would have been easy for them to do. And technically, he was Dr. Strange, just not Sorcerer Supreme Dr. Strange. And when the Chitari attacked, the Ancient One was defending the city as well, that's why she was there on the rooftop. She had to be there to protect the city from an off-world invasion.
I'm sorry but I don't think you understand at all... All of what you are saying is true, but NOTHING you said explains why the TIME STONE should be there at that time OR why the avenergs should know about it being there
I gave you the best explanation I could. You'll have to ask the writers why they did that.
On April 27 2019 23:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I saw it on Thursday after work. Copped 3D because I was in a rush to get the pre-order tickets when they released. Didn't ruin the film, but I'll have to see it in IMAX to get a better feeling.
All in all, it hit every emotional string and I found myself surprised how much I was invested in these films. A lot of the moments were just perfectly portrayed.
non-need of Capt Marvel. She just delayed Thanos by like 2-3 seconds. Captain America wielding the hammer was amazing but the lightning was kinda forced. And where the hell did he put it after he time traveled back? Sam becoming Black Capt is amazing (he becomes CA in the comics, as does Bucky but I guess they didn't want him to take over).
Oddly enough I found your issue to be one of the movie's strong suits. People were expecting the introduction Cpt Marvel to be a cop out as to how to save the world. Instead, she barely made any difference within the movie. What I didn't like was that they had no introductory scene for when she met the other avengers. She was just "there" all of the sudden. I am sure I saw a scene about the avengers checking out Fury's signal in one of the post credit scenes or a trailer, so the producers probably just cut that part?
Unrelated question: How did the Avengers know that the time stone would be in New York at that time, when it was five years before Dr. Strange even acquired it?
That is not an explanation at all. Black Widow (I think) said "if we hit the right time, three of the stones will be in New York". However, it was FIVE YEARS before Steven Strange became Dr. Strange. Knowing that he would own the stone in New York five years from now gave them no knowledge whatsoever where the stone would be at that time. By that reasoning, the stone could be literally anywhere in the universe.
But that place where Banner fell has been there for a long ass time and he was sent there because he knew exactly where it was. That's why it was him and not someone else. They knew about all of the events, so tracing things back would have been easy for them to do. And technically, he was Dr. Strange, just not Sorcerer Supreme Dr. Strange. And when the Chitari attacked, the Ancient One was defending the city as well, that's why she was there on the rooftop. She had to be there to protect the city from an off-world invasion.
I'm sorry but I don't think you understand at all... All of what you are saying is true, but NOTHING you said explains why the TIME STONE should be there at that time OR why the avenergs should know about it being there
I gave you the best explanation I could. You'll have to ask the writers why they did that.
Well you should have said beforehand that you were guessing instead of knowing. I just think it's weird that the avengers would carry out such an important plan based on a whim or an assumption. Normally the marvel writers are very aware of that sort of thing. They don't leave many unexplained plot holes.
On April 27 2019 23:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I saw it on Thursday after work. Copped 3D because I was in a rush to get the pre-order tickets when they released. Didn't ruin the film, but I'll have to see it in IMAX to get a better feeling.
All in all, it hit every emotional string and I found myself surprised how much I was invested in these films. A lot of the moments were just perfectly portrayed.
non-need of Capt Marvel. She just delayed Thanos by like 2-3 seconds. Captain America wielding the hammer was amazing but the lightning was kinda forced. And where the hell did he put it after he time traveled back? Sam becoming Black Capt is amazing (he becomes CA in the comics, as does Bucky but I guess they didn't want him to take over).
Oddly enough I found your issue to be one of the movie's strong suits. People were expecting the introduction Cpt Marvel to be a cop out as to how to save the world. Instead, she barely made any difference within the movie. What I didn't like was that they had no introductory scene for when she met the other avengers. She was just "there" all of the sudden. I am sure I saw a scene about the avengers checking out Fury's signal in one of the post credit scenes or a trailer, so the producers probably just cut that part?
Unrelated question: How did the Avengers know that the time stone would be in New York at that time, when it was five years before Dr. Strange even acquired it?
That is not an explanation at all. Black Widow (I think) said "if we hit the right time, three of the stones will be in New York". However, it was FIVE YEARS before Steven Strange became Dr. Strange. Knowing that he would own the stone in New York five years from now gave them no knowledge whatsoever where the stone would be at that time. By that reasoning, the stone could be literally anywhere in the universe.
But that place where Banner fell has been there for a long ass time and he was sent there because he knew exactly where it was. That's why it was him and not someone else. They knew about all of the events, so tracing things back would have been easy for them to do. And technically, he was Dr. Strange, just not Sorcerer Supreme Dr. Strange. And when the Chitari attacked, the Ancient One was defending the city as well, that's why she was there on the rooftop. She had to be there to protect the city from an off-world invasion.
I'm sorry but I don't think you understand at all... All of what you are saying is true, but NOTHING you said explains why the TIME STONE should be there at that time OR why the avengers should know about it being there
They didn't know that Dr strange wouldn't be there with the time stone. They only met a short time ago when banner fell into the place in new york. They assumed he would be there with the stone and they had no other clue about where/when the stone would be.
They thought they had only ONE shot to get all stones at once and it was specifically said that THREE stones would be in New York at that time. So somehow they knew (thought they knew) about the time stone being there.
On April 27 2019 23:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I saw it on Thursday after work. Copped 3D because I was in a rush to get the pre-order tickets when they released. Didn't ruin the film, but I'll have to see it in IMAX to get a better feeling.
All in all, it hit every emotional string and I found myself surprised how much I was invested in these films. A lot of the moments were just perfectly portrayed.
non-need of Capt Marvel. She just delayed Thanos by like 2-3 seconds. Captain America wielding the hammer was amazing but the lightning was kinda forced. And where the hell did he put it after he time traveled back? Sam becoming Black Capt is amazing (he becomes CA in the comics, as does Bucky but I guess they didn't want him to take over).
Oddly enough I found your issue to be one of the movie's strong suits. People were expecting the introduction Cpt Marvel to be a cop out as to how to save the world. Instead, she barely made any difference within the movie. What I didn't like was that they had no introductory scene for when she met the other avengers. She was just "there" all of the sudden. I am sure I saw a scene about the avengers checking out Fury's signal in one of the post credit scenes or a trailer, so the producers probably just cut that part?
Unrelated question: How did the Avengers know that the time stone would be in New York at that time, when it was five years before Dr. Strange even acquired it?
That is not an explanation at all. Black Widow (I think) said "if we hit the right time, three of the stones will be in New York". However, it was FIVE YEARS before Steven Strange became Dr. Strange. Knowing that he would own the stone in New York five years from now gave them no knowledge whatsoever where the stone would be at that time. By that reasoning, the stone could be literally anywhere in the universe.
But that place where Banner fell has been there for a long ass time and he was sent there because he knew exactly where it was. That's why it was him and not someone else. They knew about all of the events, so tracing things back would have been easy for them to do. And technically, he was Dr. Strange, just not Sorcerer Supreme Dr. Strange. And when the Chitari attacked, the Ancient One was defending the city as well, that's why she was there on the rooftop. She had to be there to protect the city from an off-world invasion.
I'm sorry but I don't think you understand at all... All of what you are saying is true, but NOTHING you said explains why the TIME STONE should be there at that time OR why the avenergs should know about it being there
I gave you the best explanation I could. You'll have to ask the writers why they did that.
Well you should have said beforehand that you were guessing instead of knowing. I just think it's weird that the avengers would carry out such an important plan based on a whim or an assumption. Normally the marvel writers are very aware of that sort of thing. They don't leave many unexplained plot holes.
Pretty sure Strange mentioned that they were keepers of the stone previously. I don't think it's an unexplained plot hole either.
On April 27 2019 23:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I saw it on Thursday after work. Copped 3D because I was in a rush to get the pre-order tickets when they released. Didn't ruin the film, but I'll have to see it in IMAX to get a better feeling.
All in all, it hit every emotional string and I found myself surprised how much I was invested in these films. A lot of the moments were just perfectly portrayed.
non-need of Capt Marvel. She just delayed Thanos by like 2-3 seconds. Captain America wielding the hammer was amazing but the lightning was kinda forced. And where the hell did he put it after he time traveled back? Sam becoming Black Capt is amazing (he becomes CA in the comics, as does Bucky but I guess they didn't want him to take over).
Oddly enough I found your issue to be one of the movie's strong suits. People were expecting the introduction Cpt Marvel to be a cop out as to how to save the world. Instead, she barely made any difference within the movie. What I didn't like was that they had no introductory scene for when she met the other avengers. She was just "there" all of the sudden. I am sure I saw a scene about the avengers checking out Fury's signal in one of the post credit scenes or a trailer, so the producers probably just cut that part?
Unrelated question: How did the Avengers know that the time stone would be in New York at that time, when it was five years before Dr. Strange even acquired it?
That is not an explanation at all. Black Widow (I think) said "if we hit the right time, three of the stones will be in New York". However, it was FIVE YEARS before Steven Strange became Dr. Strange. Knowing that he would own the stone in New York five years from now gave them no knowledge whatsoever where the stone would be at that time. By that reasoning, the stone could be literally anywhere in the universe.
But that place where Banner fell has been there for a long ass time and he was sent there because he knew exactly where it was. That's why it was him and not someone else. They knew about all of the events, so tracing things back would have been easy for them to do. And technically, he was Dr. Strange, just not Sorcerer Supreme Dr. Strange. And when the Chitari attacked, the Ancient One was defending the city as well, that's why she was there on the rooftop. She had to be there to protect the city from an off-world invasion.
I'm sorry but I don't think you understand at all... All of what you are saying is true, but NOTHING you said explains why the TIME STONE should be there at that time OR why the avenergs should know about it being there
I gave you the best explanation I could. You'll have to ask the writers why they did that.
Well you should have said beforehand that you were guessing instead of knowing. I just think it's weird that the avengers would carry out such an important plan based on a whim or an assumption. Normally the marvel writers are very aware of that sort of thing. They don't leave many unexplained plot holes.
Pretty sure Strange mentioned that they were keepers of the stone previously. I don't think it's an unexplained plot hole either.
I don't undeestand the point of speculating about this. I asked a simple question so that someone who knew the answer could tell me. Like, I appreciate the effort, but your answer offers literally no valuable Information.
On April 27 2019 23:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I saw it on Thursday after work. Copped 3D because I was in a rush to get the pre-order tickets when they released. Didn't ruin the film, but I'll have to see it in IMAX to get a better feeling.
All in all, it hit every emotional string and I found myself surprised how much I was invested in these films. A lot of the moments were just perfectly portrayed.
non-need of Capt Marvel. She just delayed Thanos by like 2-3 seconds. Captain America wielding the hammer was amazing but the lightning was kinda forced. And where the hell did he put it after he time traveled back? Sam becoming Black Capt is amazing (he becomes CA in the comics, as does Bucky but I guess they didn't want him to take over).
Oddly enough I found your issue to be one of the movie's strong suits. People were expecting the introduction Cpt Marvel to be a cop out as to how to save the world. Instead, she barely made any difference within the movie. What I didn't like was that they had no introductory scene for when she met the other avengers. She was just "there" all of the sudden. I am sure I saw a scene about the avengers checking out Fury's signal in one of the post credit scenes or a trailer, so the producers probably just cut that part?
Unrelated question: How did the Avengers know that the time stone would be in New York at that time, when it was five years before Dr. Strange even acquired it?
That is not an explanation at all. Black Widow (I think) said "if we hit the right time, three of the stones will be in New York". However, it was FIVE YEARS before Steven Strange became Dr. Strange. Knowing that he would own the stone in New York five years from now gave them no knowledge whatsoever where the stone would be at that time. By that reasoning, the stone could be literally anywhere in the universe.
But that place where Banner fell has been there for a long ass time and he was sent there because he knew exactly where it was. That's why it was him and not someone else. They knew about all of the events, so tracing things back would have been easy for them to do. And technically, he was Dr. Strange, just not Sorcerer Supreme Dr. Strange. And when the Chitari attacked, the Ancient One was defending the city as well, that's why she was there on the rooftop. She had to be there to protect the city from an off-world invasion.
I'm sorry but I don't think you understand at all... All of what you are saying is true, but NOTHING you said explains why the TIME STONE should be there at that time OR why the avengers should know about it being there
They didn't know that Dr strange wouldn't be there with the time stone. They only met a short time ago when banner fell into the place in new york. They assumed he would be there with the stone and they had no other clue about where/when the stone would be.
They thought they had only ONE shot to get all stones at once and it was specifically said that THREE stones would be in New York at that time. So somehow they knew (thought they knew) about the time stone being there.
They essentially got lucky off of what ended up being a wrong assumption.
Only watched some iron man, spider-man, guardians and black panther. But, watched it today and found it enjoyable even w/ dodging half of the universe altogether, including infinity war.
But daaamn do I love fictional characters like the scarlet witch. I didn't know this character existed but managed to fall in love in less than 30 seconds during the grand fight sequence.
☑ badass cheesy meteor entrance ☑ stylish and sexy appearance/design ☑ super vengeful, semi crazed and idgaf-facial expressions/talking, clearly does not fuck around ☑ gravity/space manipulation, glowing magic fireballs, sweet red/white LED light aesthetics ☑ sick moveset/choreography ☑ beating the final boss so hard the movie script itself had to do divine intervention
Read up more on the character's actual story after watching the movie. Browsed through previous movie clips on youtube (never mind the comics), and gotta say at a glance it's probably the coolest 'mage' character I've seen. Lots of heavy decisions throughout her (sad) story, and over-the-top magical moves that exaggerate her choices well. Very versatile, flashy, and hype for a magic type superhero. 😍
future action game superstar? plz
i mean it's pretty ridiculous that there is no action game about this character
<insert random fanboy comment> i don't even want Dante or Trish anymore just DMC SCARLET WITCH
But,
According to the Internet, this character gets benched all the time. Probably not too weird because she is simply too awesome and OP for her own good. Hopefully they'll manage to keep including her somehow in whatever. If she got her own movie I'd watch it 100% but who knows maybe this type of character is best in moderation. guess i'll go watch dr.strange or someeethingggmehhhhhhhhhhhh
Fanboying aside, the movie certainly didn't feel like 3 hours. But one probably has to be more invested in the universe as a whole to make it to "10/10 best thing ever" so hopefully a lot of people did just that.
On April 28 2019 09:53 Liquid`Snute wrote: Only watched some iron man, spider-man, guardians and black panther. But, watched it today and found it enjoyable even w/ dodging half of the universe altogether, including infinity war.
But daaamn do I love fictional characters like the scarlet witch. I didn't know this character existed but managed to fall in love in less than 30 seconds during the grand fight sequence.
☑ badass cheesy meteor entrance ☑ stylish and sexy appearance/design ☑ super vengeful, semi crazed and idgaf-facial expressions/talking, clearly does not fuck around ☑ gravity/space manipulation, glowing magic fireballs, sweet red/white LED light aesthetics ☑ sick moveset/choreography ☑ beating the final boss so hard the movie script itself had to do divine intervention
Read up more on the character's actual story after watching the movie. Browsed through previous movie clips on youtube (never mind the comics), and gotta say at a glance it's probably the coolest 'mage' character I've seen. Lots of heavy decisions throughout her (sad) story, and over-the-top magical moves that exaggerate her choices well. Very versatile, flashy, and hype for a magic type superhero. 😍
future action game superstar? plz
i mean it's pretty ridiculous that there is no action game about this character
<insert random fanboy comment> i don't even want Dante or Trish anymore just DMC SCARLET WITCH
But,
According to the Internet, this character gets benched all the time. Probably not too weird because she is simply too awesome and OP for her own good. Hopefully they'll manage to keep including her somehow in whatever. If she got her own movie I'd watch it 100% but who knows maybe this type of character is best in moderation. guess i'll go watch dr.strange or someeethingggmehhhhhhhhhhhh
Fanboying aside, the movie certainly didn't feel like 3 hours. But one probably has to be more invested in the universe as a whole to make it to "10/10 best thing ever" so hopefully a lot of people did just that.
She's getting her own TV show on Disney's upcoming streaming service, so hopefully that'll be hype
I liked the warlord Thanos we got. Really shows how the journey of acquiring the Infinity Stones changed him. I do feel the carrier ship was a bit misused in the final fight. I mean, we've seen in Winter Soldier how the helicarriers could just acquire and take out millions of targets. Why wouldn't an ftl-capable warship have similar capabilities? I know the helicarriers had satellite support, but you would think a huge weapons platform towering over the battlefield would have better targeting systems. Or are humans that awesome?
Minor nitpicks aside, the movie was great. I loved the Captain's elevator scene and how Rumlow's face dropped. I liked Tony's death, considering how his movie was the first in the MCU; it made everything feel complete. Even the jokes felt not as cringy.
The whole time travel/ not time travel thing is confusing as hell... So 5 years has passed but everyone that died in the snap has been brought back to life? Those that are back would not have aged, but those that survived would have aged five years... What? This makes no sense even in the other movie verses.
I don't really see why this bothers you? Let's say those got snapped were dead and therefore they can't have just aged 5 years. They are brought back
Overall a 8, I liked infinity war quite a bit better. But this has a lot of fan service that I think will make many fans scream. Lots of hype moment and because it's so well done, you can actually hear it.
The whole time travel/ not time travel thing is confusing as hell... So 5 years has passed but everyone that died in the snap has been brought back to life? Those that are back would not have aged, but those that survived would have aged five years... What? This makes no sense even in the other movie verses.
I don't really see why this bothers you? Let's say those got snapped were dead and therefore they can't have just aged 5 years. They are brought back
Overall a 8, I liked infinity war quite a bit better. But this has a lot of fan service that I think will make many fans scream. Lots of hype moment and because it's so well done, you can actually hear it.
Difference in aging is even possible in real life. Technically we're all doing it every time we get in a car or plane. Interstellar, as much as they conveniently skipped science wherever the plot demanded it, had that aging difference due to massive gravity from black holes pretty spot on.
Good movie but not great for me. I think if I were more invested in the movies I would have loved it given all the throw backs. Either way it's enjoyable enough I found I got my money's worth. Would rate it 7.5/10.
Ps - guy in front of me started audibly crying very loud during a particular scene. Wife started laughing so hard after he didn't stop for a solid 5 minutes.
totally content with it. Lots of emotional scenes for me, Peggy + Steve in her office, Howard + tony, Scott + Cassie, tbh the biggest hurdle is that for Peter Parker, did all of the relevant classmates of his just happen to also get snapped? Looking ahead rebuilding life as it was feels like a nightmare. TBD in the next films I guess
Mainly looking forward to Thor + guardians. I imagine Adam warlock will be relevant in the next film
In the final scene, when the point is, as someone said "get the stones as far away from here as possible!", why did they have to run around the battlefield? Why not just fly it away, like cpt Marvel could just zoom to the other end of the galaxy with the glove.
I remember them talking about the Van being there, but why time-travel with the glove at that moment? They could just fly it away from there, and annul Thanos' whole attack. Or Cpt Marvel could fly up into orbit and equip it.
On April 29 2019 04:05 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Best comic book movie easy. One of the best all time? Top 10 maybe and that depends on the genre.
Not even close to being the best comicbook movie. Logan takes that crown.
I just got back. I'd give it a solid 7/10. Finally seeing Thanos fight properly was badass. There was lots of general badassery but not many surprises. Maybe my score'll go up when I watch it back to back with infinity war but as a movie on its own I was just a little bit underwhelmed. It did everything it was supposed to and competently but I'm bored of scoring Marvel movies on their own scale just because its an ambitious project. + Show Spoiler +
Captain Marvel added nothing but powers to this. Disappointing. Thor's arc continues to be one of the best things about Marvel, along with Nebula. Did they need to put every single character in there? I know its supposed to be cathartic and satisfying but it diluted the story elements in my opinion.
Sounds like I'm complaining alot but the action was as good as I've seen in Marvel movies and the ending was tightly written and wrapped everything up very neatly.
there was this awkward moment, when all the super duper dudes charge together into the random alien army. everything looks fine and then you realize that the guys with metal super suits, ironman and friends, accompany the charging frontline in perfectly unison fashion, not gaining not losing position relative to them. Flying full speed at what a casual 20 - 35 km/h without having any of their thrusters facing downwards is a thing now. :D But really this just showed how hard they tried to equilize powerlevels which in turn made them completely irrelevant.
Don´t get me wrong tho. i dont have a problem with the stupid introduction of timetravel or super duper woman or the whole other shit they didnt really take seriously but i d have appreciated it if they would have put adherance to the rules of their universe before fanservice. This isn´t DBZ, the MCU is a multi Billion dollar project so someone could have handled this better.
On April 29 2019 04:05 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Best comic book movie easy. One of the best all time? Top 10 maybe and that depends on the genre.
Best comic book movie easy? What? Based on a saga or one book? I will say The Dark Knight (if you count this as it takes part of several comics) is far superior. At least for me. If you want to stay with Marvel even Infinity War is superior to me.
And of all time not based on genre I am sure it doesn't make top 10 for most ratings. Even within the MCU or general comic book movies most sites don't rate it first. As I said, I know it's based on personal preference but I really have a hard time with people making a point of it being so good. Had too many issues for me. Also (logically) parts ways with the comic saga by a mile.
On April 29 2019 04:05 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Best comic book movie easy. One of the best all time? Top 10 maybe and that depends on the genre.
Best comic book movie easy? What? Based on a saga or one book? I will say The Dark Knight (if you count this as it takes part of several comics) is far superior. At least for me. If you want to stay with Marvel even Infinity War is superior to me.
And of all time not based on genre I am sure it doesn't make top 10 for most ratings. Even within the MCU or general comic book movies most sites don't rate it first. As I said, I know it's based on personal preference but I really have a hard time with people making a point of it being so good. Had too many issues for me. Also (logically) parts ways with the comic saga by a mile.
I think that because you know the comic books you were bound to be biased against the movie. It's standard human psychology to prefer the "original" over copies.
I’m just happy Marvel has embraced weird Thor as best Thor. And it was a good, believable way to “nerf” him to a state where he seemed vulnerable after the last movie.
Great movie. Definitely lived up to my expectations and they were set high.
First-half was my most favorite and the very end GotG scene + Thor was the best. All the fighting scenes was alright, just once you’ve seen one fight you’ve seen em all.
I’m hyped for Spider-Man now.
Also lol at the Captain Marvel scenes. Just how convenient.
On April 29 2019 10:16 Emnjay808 wrote: Great movie. Definitely lived up to my expectations and they were set high.
First-half was my most favorite and the very end GotG scene + Thor was the best. All the fighting scenes was alright, just once you’ve seen one fight you’ve seen em all.
I’m hyped for Spider-Man now.
Also lol at the Captain Marvel scenes. Just how convenient.
If you didn’t like the middle section honestly I’m not sure what you were looking for. The payoff from the collective stories, the feels, all of it was excellent.
On April 27 2019 05:21 eviltomahawk wrote: I didn't think it was perfect and I thought Infinity War was a better movie for the most part, but Endgame was still damn entertaining. Marvel and Disney has created a monument of pop culture with their MCU.
I just wish it had an intermission so I didn't have to lose out on a few minutes near the end.
Same. I really liked it, but I definitely enjoyed Infinity War a lot more. I am curious where it's going to go from here.
It's gonna be hella hard to match the same scale of buildup that the MCU was doing up to Infinity War. However, I'm not familiar with the comics, so I'm also curious if there are any other storylines that are worth big multi-movie arcs. It might be entirely possible that future movies focus on smaller-scale stories and heroes with only references and cameos to the rest of the MCU. Whatever happens, I think it's impressive to see how well Disney pulled off these first 3 phases of the MCU for the most part, and I'm confident that there'll be at least some good movies to come in the future phases even if they don't match the ambition of what they've already done.
The infinity stones are just such a good plot device that people are already familiar with from the comics. It allowed Marvel to create a bunch of mostly self-contained stories with a small, easy to remember plot element to tie them all together. It's very difficult to create multi-movie arcs that can cater to both people who only care about that specific superhero and people who watch primarily for the bigger universe plot elements. Even casual fans who only watched the movies once when they came out would still remember what tied those movies with the overarching plot.
Why is Hulk such a pussy? For ten years or so, comic book fans told me that he is the strongest Avenger.
In Infinity War, he had the upper hand against Thanos for a while and then got his ass beat so badly that the didn't dare show his green face.
Then in Endgame, his GF dies.
How is that not a setup for a complete beast-mode Hulk that beats Thanos' ass? I genuinely can't remember if he even had a part in the final battle. Everyone got their redemption moment except for him.
On April 29 2019 18:24 love2d wrote: I would give this a solid 7.5/10. The first one was better, in my view. Loved what they did with Thor, Cap and Iron Man.
Why is Hulk such a pussy? For ten years or so, comic book fans told me that he is the strongest Avenger.
In Infinity War, he had the upper hand against Thanos for a while and then got his ass beat so badly that the didn't dare show his green face.
Then in Endgame, his GF dies.
How is that not a setup for a complete beast-mode Hulk that beats Thanos' ass? I genuinely can't remember if he even had a part in the final battle. Everyone got their redemption moment except for him.
He explained that when he was first introduced, and made fun if it throughout the movie, so I'm surprised you didn't catch that. Bruce Banner merged the hulk powers into him, so he could keep his own mind but the power of the hulk. Only problem is that Bruce hates fighting and doesn't really know how. He's one of the few original Avengers who's going to continue in the MCU tho, so expect more things to happen with this character.
The time travel killed the story for me completely. Some people never learn. Wtf was that Nebula shit ? Time travel affects memory disks now ? Quantum realm ? From the point they started talking about time travel I stopped caring about the story and just enjoyed the visuals.
On April 29 2019 18:24 love2d wrote: I would give this a solid 7.5/10. The first one was better, in my view. Loved what they did with Thor, Cap and Iron Man.
Why is Hulk such a pussy? For ten years or so, comic book fans told me that he is the strongest Avenger.
In Infinity War, he had the upper hand against Thanos for a while and then got his ass beat so badly that the didn't dare show his green face.
Then in Endgame, his GF dies.
How is that not a setup for a complete beast-mode Hulk that beats Thanos' ass? I genuinely can't remember if he even had a part in the final battle. Everyone got their redemption moment except for him.
He explained that when he was first introduced, and made fun if it throughout the movie, so I'm surprised you didn't catch that. Bruce Banner merged the hulk powers into him, so he could keep his own mind but the power of the hulk. Only problem is that Bruce hates fighting and doesn't really know how. He's one of the few original Avengers who's going to continue in the MCU tho, so expect more things to happen with this character.
No I caught that, I was just annoyed by it and hoped he'd go 'full Hulk' in spite of himself because the rages becomes uncontrollable. What's the point of a Banner / Hulk hybrid that can't even fight? May as well wear the Hulkbuster armor again.
On April 29 2019 18:39 Pr0wler wrote: Good movie visually and good action, but... + Show Spoiler +
The time travel killed the story for me completely. Some people never learn. Wtf was that Nebula shit ? Time travel affects memory disks now ? Quantum realm ? From the point they started talking about time travel I stopped caring about the story and just enjoyed the visuals.
The whole time travel - multiverse thing made me feel like the stakes couldn't be any lower. They have infinite do-overs anyway, so who cares. Nothing is final. The snap wasn't even final. Everyone's back.
Even when they tried to make it absolutely clear that everyone only had one flask of Pym juice, when Cap and Tony fucked up, they found a way to get more Pym juice. So even that arbitrary constraint isn't really a constraint to begin with.
On April 27 2019 23:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I saw it on Thursday after work. Copped 3D because I was in a rush to get the pre-order tickets when they released. Didn't ruin the film, but I'll have to see it in IMAX to get a better feeling.
All in all, it hit every emotional string and I found myself surprised how much I was invested in these films. A lot of the moments were just perfectly portrayed.
non-need of Capt Marvel. She just delayed Thanos by like 2-3 seconds. Captain America wielding the hammer was amazing but the lightning was kinda forced. And where the hell did he put it after he time traveled back? Sam becoming Black Capt is amazing (he becomes CA in the comics, as does Bucky but I guess they didn't want him to take over).
Oddly enough I found your issue to be one of the movie's strong suits. People were expecting the introduction Cpt Marvel to be a cop out as to how to save the world. Instead, she barely made any difference within the movie. What I didn't like was that they had no introductory scene for when she met the other avengers. She was just "there" all of the sudden. I am sure I saw a scene about the avengers checking out Fury's signal in one of the post credit scenes or a trailer, so the producers probably just cut that part?
Unrelated question: How did the Avengers know that the time stone would be in New York at that time, when it was five years before Dr. Strange even acquired it?
That is not an explanation at all. Black Widow (I think) said "if we hit the right time, three of the stones will be in New York". However, it was FIVE YEARS before Steven Strange became Dr. Strange. Knowing that he would own the stone in New York five years from now gave them no knowledge whatsoever where the stone would be at that time. By that reasoning, the stone could be literally anywhere in the universe.
But that place where Banner fell has been there for a long ass time and he was sent there because he knew exactly where it was. That's why it was him and not someone else. They knew about all of the events, so tracing things back would have been easy for them to do. And technically, he was Dr. Strange, just not Sorcerer Supreme Dr. Strange. And when the Chitari attacked, the Ancient One was defending the city as well, that's why she was there on the rooftop. She had to be there to protect the city from an off-world invasion.
I'm sorry but I don't think you understand at all... All of what you are saying is true, but NOTHING you said explains why the TIME STONE should be there at that time OR why the avengers should know about it being there
They didn't know that Dr strange wouldn't be there with the time stone. They only met a short time ago when banner fell into the place in new york. They assumed he would be there with the stone and they had no other clue about where/when the stone would be.
They thought they had only ONE shot to get all stones at once and it was specifically said that THREE stones would be in New York at that time. So somehow they knew (thought they knew) about the time stone being there.
They essentially got lucky off of what ended up being a wrong assumption.
That was the right assumption tho? In IW Dr Strange told them that guarding the Time Stone it is the duty of the Sorcerer Supreme.
Banner, Stark and Thor met Dr Strange at some place in NY, which happens to be filled with weird magic stuff, remember how Strange scolds Thor for touching some stuff. So they assumed there would be another SS guarding the stone there. Fair assumption IMO.
On April 30 2019 00:39 hexhaven wrote: $1.2B worldwide box office over the (granted, very) extended opening weekend.
I heard from box office tracking sites that movies opening on Tuesday/Wednesday is fairly common in certain countries. Granted, they did seem like they really wanted to set the record. China went from opening 2 weeks later in Infinity War to opening on Tuesday this time. Too bad they couldn't open in Russia until today.
On April 29 2019 18:39 Pr0wler wrote: Good movie visually and good action, but... + Show Spoiler +
The time travel killed the story for me completely. Some people never learn. Wtf was that Nebula shit ? Time travel affects memory disks now ? Quantum realm ? From the point they started talking about time travel I stopped caring about the story and just enjoyed the visuals.
The whole time travel - multiverse thing made me feel like the stakes couldn't be any lower. They have infinite do-overs anyway, so who cares. Nothing is final. The snap wasn't even final. Everyone's back.
Even when they tried to make it absolutely clear that everyone only had one flask of Pym juice, when Cap and Tony fucked up, they found a way to get more Pym juice. So even that arbitrary constraint isn't really a constraint to begin with.
Yea, these are my thoughts. Can't say I'm a big fan of time travel as a plot device in general. You can make cool movies around it exploring ideas/concepts around it, but used purely as a plot device it's like a "meh" do-over type of thing.
Ok watched it last night, avoided all spoilers up to the point pretty easily.
First hour of the film was utter trash, like holy crap that was slow starting crap. Did not get going at all. The last half or maybe quarter was good. The ending was predictable due to knowing about certain people not wanting to do anymore of the films and such afterwards, however i still think they didn't do them as much justice as they should have gotten. Story was played out pretty slowly as mentioned and i thought in a whole was not a good way to attack this amazing comic book lore of this segment for me personally. The lack of Adam Warlock in all this upsets me for instance, having him help and have the mistress of death actually be a thing would have been better for me. Especially if as planned in Guardians 3 he is supposed to turn up, like seriously? He turns up in G3 but not in Avengers, seems a bit silly
Overall this was at most a 6/10 and that was just because the humor in the last quarter was actually funny and Peter Parker and Tony Stark bond is actually nice and what not. I did not laugh at the forced humor at all for the first part and was genuinely questioning what was going on. I am glad Captain Marvel was not shoved down our throats for the whole film either and she only had a small part to play because many things are wrong there.
No need for spoilers btw guys, if you are coming into the marvel avengers : end game thread with the view of not finding spoilers you are very crazy!
There's already been people in this thread who hadn't watched it yet. Everyone has managed to keep it within the spoiler tag so far, so I see no reason not to continue. Should be double tagged when you start talking about characters not even in the movies yet. Come on, mods should be leading by example
On May 01 2019 17:03 Pandemona wrote: Ok watched it last night, avoided all spoilers up to the point pretty easily.
First hour of the film was utter trash, like holy crap that was slow starting crap. Did not get going at all. The last half or maybe quarter was good. The ending was predictable due to knowing about certain people not wanting to do anymore of the films and such afterwards, however i still think they didn't do them as much justice as they should have gotten. Story was played out pretty slowly as mentioned and i thought in a whole was not a good way to attack this amazing comic book lore of this segment for me personally. The lack of Adam Warlock in all this upsets me for instance, having him help and have the mistress of death actually be a thing would have been better for me. Especially if as planned in Guardians 3 he is supposed to turn up, like seriously? He turns up in G3 but not in Avengers, seems a bit silly
Overall this was at most a 6/10 and that was just because the humor in the last quarter was actually funny and Peter Parker and Tony Stark bond is actually nice and what not. I did not laugh at the forced humor at all for the first part and was genuinely questioning what was going on. I am glad Captain Marvel was not shoved down our throats for the whole film either and she only had a small part to play because many things are wrong there.
No need for spoilers btw guys, if you are coming into the marvel avengers : end game thread with the view of not finding spoilers you are very crazy!
This is the discrepancy between comics and film. If they had stuck anywhere close to the comics, this would have been an epic we have never seen. But we got this and they did a very good job of it.
The character i referenced is from comic books and has already been talked about in Guardians 2 when Gammora mentions Adam is entrapped in a cocoon somewhere.
The spoiler thing i don't know i can just mark this thread as spoiler free but that seems a bit weird as why would you talk about a film that is out when you have not watched it? I kept away from this and movie thread until i had watched it for example.
On May 01 2019 17:03 Pandemona wrote: Ok watched it last night, avoided all spoilers up to the point pretty easily.
First hour of the film was utter trash, like holy crap that was slow starting crap. Did not get going at all. The last half or maybe quarter was good. The ending was predictable due to knowing about certain people not wanting to do anymore of the films and such afterwards, however i still think they didn't do them as much justice as they should have gotten. Story was played out pretty slowly as mentioned and i thought in a whole was not a good way to attack this amazing comic book lore of this segment for me personally. The lack of Adam Warlock in all this upsets me for instance, having him help and have the mistress of death actually be a thing would have been better for me. Especially if as planned in Guardians 3 he is supposed to turn up, like seriously? He turns up in G3 but not in Avengers, seems a bit silly
Overall this was at most a 6/10 and that was just because the humor in the last quarter was actually funny and Peter Parker and Tony Stark bond is actually nice and what not. I did not laugh at the forced humor at all for the first part and was genuinely questioning what was going on. I am glad Captain Marvel was not shoved down our throats for the whole film either and she only had a small part to play because many things are wrong there.
No need for spoilers btw guys, if you are coming into the marvel avengers : end game thread with the view of not finding spoilers you are very crazy!
This is the discrepancy between comics and film. If they had stuck anywhere close to the comics, this would have been an epic we have never seen. But we got this and they did a very good job of it.
Yeah i get the comics are different and they didn't use any of the comic book lore around this epic saga much apart from the stones and the gauntlet. But why reference Adam Warlock in Guardians 2 and why apparently bring him into Guardians 3 (rumor) for which that film is now not out until 2022. Seems bit backwards
On April 27 2019 23:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I saw it on Thursday after work. Copped 3D because I was in a rush to get the pre-order tickets when they released. Didn't ruin the film, but I'll have to see it in IMAX to get a better feeling.
All in all, it hit every emotional string and I found myself surprised how much I was invested in these films. A lot of the moments were just perfectly portrayed.
non-need of Capt Marvel. She just delayed Thanos by like 2-3 seconds. Captain America wielding the hammer was amazing but the lightning was kinda forced. And where the hell did he put it after he time traveled back? Sam becoming Black Capt is amazing (he becomes CA in the comics, as does Bucky but I guess they didn't want him to take over).
Oddly enough I found your issue to be one of the movie's strong suits. People were expecting the introduction Cpt Marvel to be a cop out as to how to save the world. Instead, she barely made any difference within the movie. What I didn't like was that they had no introductory scene for when she met the other avengers. She was just "there" all of the sudden. I am sure I saw a scene about the avengers checking out Fury's signal in one of the post credit scenes or a trailer, so the producers probably just cut that part?
Unrelated question: How did the Avengers know that the time stone would be in New York at that time, when it was five years before Dr. Strange even acquired it?
That is not an explanation at all. Black Widow (I think) said "if we hit the right time, three of the stones will be in New York". However, it was FIVE YEARS before Steven Strange became Dr. Strange. Knowing that he would own the stone in New York five years from now gave them no knowledge whatsoever where the stone would be at that time. By that reasoning, the stone could be literally anywhere in the universe.
But that place where Banner fell has been there for a long ass time and he was sent there because he knew exactly where it was. That's why it was him and not someone else. They knew about all of the events, so tracing things back would have been easy for them to do. And technically, he was Dr. Strange, just not Sorcerer Supreme Dr. Strange. And when the Chitari attacked, the Ancient One was defending the city as well, that's why she was there on the rooftop. She had to be there to protect the city from an off-world invasion.
I'm sorry but I don't think you understand at all... All of what you are saying is true, but NOTHING you said explains why the TIME STONE should be there at that time OR why the avengers should know about it being there
They didn't know that Dr strange wouldn't be there with the time stone. They only met a short time ago when banner fell into the place in new york. They assumed he would be there with the stone and they had no other clue about where/when the stone would be.
They thought they had only ONE shot to get all stones at once and it was specifically said that THREE stones would be in New York at that time. So somehow they knew (thought they knew) about the time stone being there.
They essentially got lucky off of what ended up being a wrong assumption.
That was the right assumption tho? In IW Dr Strange told them that guarding the Time Stone it is the duty of the Sorcerer Supreme.
Banner, Stark and Thor met Dr Strange at some place in NY, which happens to be filled with weird magic stuff, remember how Strange scolds Thor for touching some stuff. So they assumed there would be another SS guarding the stone there. Fair assumption IMO.
To me, it seemed like they were specifically looking for Dr Strange at first, got unlucky with the timing, and then got lucky with the Ancient One being there instead. It didn't seem like they were expecting another Sorcerer Supreme, though it's not specified on whether they talked to any other sorcerers post-IW.
Oddly enough I found your issue to be one of the movie's strong suits. People were expecting the introduction Cpt Marvel to be a cop out as to how to save the world. Instead, she barely made any difference within the movie. What I didn't like was that they had no introductory scene for when she met the other avengers. She was just "there" all of the sudden. I am sure I saw a scene about the avengers checking out Fury's signal in one of the post credit scenes or a trailer, so the producers probably just cut that part?
Unrelated question: How did the Avengers know that the time stone would be in New York at that time, when it was five years before Dr. Strange even acquired it?
That is not an explanation at all. Black Widow (I think) said "if we hit the right time, three of the stones will be in New York". However, it was FIVE YEARS before Steven Strange became Dr. Strange. Knowing that he would own the stone in New York five years from now gave them no knowledge whatsoever where the stone would be at that time. By that reasoning, the stone could be literally anywhere in the universe.
But that place where Banner fell has been there for a long ass time and he was sent there because he knew exactly where it was. That's why it was him and not someone else. They knew about all of the events, so tracing things back would have been easy for them to do. And technically, he was Dr. Strange, just not Sorcerer Supreme Dr. Strange. And when the Chitari attacked, the Ancient One was defending the city as well, that's why she was there on the rooftop. She had to be there to protect the city from an off-world invasion.
I'm sorry but I don't think you understand at all... All of what you are saying is true, but NOTHING you said explains why the TIME STONE should be there at that time OR why the avengers should know about it being there
They didn't know that Dr strange wouldn't be there with the time stone. They only met a short time ago when banner fell into the place in new york. They assumed he would be there with the stone and they had no other clue about where/when the stone would be.
They thought they had only ONE shot to get all stones at once and it was specifically said that THREE stones would be in New York at that time. So somehow they knew (thought they knew) about the time stone being there.
They essentially got lucky off of what ended up being a wrong assumption.
That was the right assumption tho? In IW Dr Strange told them that guarding the Time Stone it is the duty of the Sorcerer Supreme.
Banner, Stark and Thor met Dr Strange at some place in NY, which happens to be filled with weird magic stuff, remember how Strange scolds Thor for touching some stuff. So they assumed there would be another SS guarding the stone there. Fair assumption IMO.
To me, it seemed like they were specifically looking for Dr Strange at first, got unlucky with the timing, and then got lucky with the Ancient One being there instead. It didn't seem like they were expecting another Sorcerer Supreme, though it's not specified on whether they talked to any other sorcerers post-IW.
I didn't get that feeling regarding Dr Strange, but I would need to rewatch to confirm. They were trying to pinpoint the location of the Stones and they had the reference of that place in NY. They had limited resources regarding time travel so I think they went with that. If they get the chance to get 3 stones in NY at the same point in time, that's a winner. Whether the time stone was guarded by Strange or someone else was irrelevant as long as it was there, and it was a fair assumption.
That is not an explanation at all. Black Widow (I think) said "if we hit the right time, three of the stones will be in New York". However, it was FIVE YEARS before Steven Strange became Dr. Strange. Knowing that he would own the stone in New York five years from now gave them no knowledge whatsoever where the stone would be at that time. By that reasoning, the stone could be literally anywhere in the universe.
But that place where Banner fell has been there for a long ass time and he was sent there because he knew exactly where it was. That's why it was him and not someone else. They knew about all of the events, so tracing things back would have been easy for them to do. And technically, he was Dr. Strange, just not Sorcerer Supreme Dr. Strange. And when the Chitari attacked, the Ancient One was defending the city as well, that's why she was there on the rooftop. She had to be there to protect the city from an off-world invasion.
I'm sorry but I don't think you understand at all... All of what you are saying is true, but NOTHING you said explains why the TIME STONE should be there at that time OR why the avengers should know about it being there
They didn't know that Dr strange wouldn't be there with the time stone. They only met a short time ago when banner fell into the place in new york. They assumed he would be there with the stone and they had no other clue about where/when the stone would be.
They thought they had only ONE shot to get all stones at once and it was specifically said that THREE stones would be in New York at that time. So somehow they knew (thought they knew) about the time stone being there.
They essentially got lucky off of what ended up being a wrong assumption.
That was the right assumption tho? In IW Dr Strange told them that guarding the Time Stone it is the duty of the Sorcerer Supreme.
Banner, Stark and Thor met Dr Strange at some place in NY, which happens to be filled with weird magic stuff, remember how Strange scolds Thor for touching some stuff. So they assumed there would be another SS guarding the stone there. Fair assumption IMO.
To me, it seemed like they were specifically looking for Dr Strange at first, got unlucky with the timing, and then got lucky with the Ancient One being there instead. It didn't seem like they were expecting another Sorcerer Supreme, though it's not specified on whether they talked to any other sorcerers post-IW.
I didn't get that feeling regarding Dr Strange, but I would need to rewatch to confirm. They were trying to pinpoint the location of the Stones and they had the reference of that place in NY. They had limited resources regarding time travel so I think they went with that. If they get the chance to get 3 stones in NY at the same point in time, that's a winner. Whether the time stone was guarded by Strange or someone else was irrelevant as long as it was there, and it was a fair assumption.
I'm pretty sure they thought that Dr. Strange was in NY with the time stone all the way back in 2012. That's why when the Hulk was goes there, he asks where Dr. Strange is, and the Ancient One tells him he came to the past too far, because Strange won't be here for few more years. Then Hulk notices the necklace that Ancient One is wearing, and figures that he doesn't need Dr. Strange anymore.
A few things I liked and a few things I didn’t like. How can captain marvel fly a ship 1000 light years in seemingly less than a day does she have a warp drive super power? The beginning was very slow paced and pretty boring. There were also many plot holes due to them using time travel as a plot point. What is the point of returning infinity stones to the point they took them if they screwed up the past in many other ways. Thanos and his army don’t even exist in the past anymore. Loki has the tesseract. Gamora is alive again in the future. I mean if you could just pull people from the past to the future why not just take Tony and Natasha from the point after Thanos did his first snap and bring them to the future. I liked that Cap used Thor’s hammer but I don’t like he can summon lightning with it. The things I did like were the ending fights and the journey colllecting the stones. Overall just too many ridiculous things with time travel made me not really enjoy the story. Overall 6/10
During the Borderlands3 reveal there was a hilarious spoiler by 1 of the people "co streaming" the reveal event. The title of the stream appeared on Twitch.tv's featured channels list. It was + Show Spoiler +
On May 03 2019 04:10 JimmyJRaynor wrote: During the Borderlands3 reveal there was a hilarious spoiler by 1 of the people "co streaming" the reveal event. The title of the stream appeared on Twitch.tv's featured channels list. It was + Show Spoiler +
"Tony Stark Dies - There I Saved You $15"
juvenile humour LOL.
The movie hadn't come out yet at that point, so it wouldn't be much of a spoiler, and more of an educated guess. + Show Spoiler +
For those who had been paying attention, we knew that both RBJ and Chris Evans weren't going to do any more movies, and was going to exit the franchise in one way or another. I wasn't expecting Natasha tho, but being the soul gem and all that, that particular death might not be final. edit: Apparently the writing was on the wall for SJ as well, so nvm the last bit there.
A few things I liked and a few things I didn’t like. How can captain marvel fly a ship 1000 light years in seemingly less than a day does she have a warp drive super power? The beginning was very slow paced and pretty boring. There were also many plot holes due to them using time travel as a plot point. What is the point of returning infinity stones to the point they took them if they screwed up the past in many other ways. Thanos and his army don’t even exist in the past anymore. Loki has the tesseract. Gamora is alive again in the future. I mean if you could just pull people from the past to the future why not just take Tony and Natasha from the point after Thanos did his first snap and bring them to the future. I liked that Cap used Thor’s hammer but I don’t like he can summon lightning with it. The things I did like were the ending fights and the journey colllecting the stones. Overall just too many ridiculous things with time travel made me not really enjoy the story. Overall 6/10
Let me try to give my view on some of your questions/comments + Show Spoiler +
I assumed she filled up their power supply so they could breathe again. It was never said that the trip took one day. Also she probably used one of those jump gates that they used later to get to Titan and kill their time Thanos. They didn't screw up the past, they created parallel/alternate worlds/timelines with their meddling. They returned the stones to not screw them even more and create even more parallel worlds/timelines. Thanos does not exist in alternate 2014 world but it exists in other versions of the universe. Loki and tesseract is another alternate timeline they created. They could try to take people from past to bring them to their world but then they create alternate timelines where those characters don't exist and people in that world suffer as a result. And then that might cause who knows what kind of destruction and people from that timeline might blame them for it and maybe want to get revenge. Kind of like how the TV show Fringe worked. Lightning was the power of the hammer. Thor later learned to summon lightning without using the hammer, cap can use the weaker version of it.
On April 29 2019 18:39 Pr0wler wrote: Good movie visually and good action, but... + Show Spoiler +
The time travel killed the story for me completely. Some people never learn. Wtf was that Nebula shit ? Time travel affects memory disks now ? Quantum realm ? From the point they started talking about time travel I stopped caring about the story and just enjoyed the visuals.
The whole time travel - multiverse thing made me feel like the stakes couldn't be any lower. They have infinite do-overs anyway, so who cares. Nothing is final. The snap wasn't even final. Everyone's back.
Even when they tried to make it absolutely clear that everyone only had one flask of Pym juice, when Cap and Tony fucked up, they found a way to get more Pym juice. So even that arbitrary constraint isn't really a constraint to begin with.
i'm surprised this isn't more people's opinion as well. i'm really not a plot-picker-apart'er but time travel is always tough, and when you wind up in a spot where you have infinite do overs the movie just loses all its tension (not my only gripe with the time travel premise or rest of the movie at large). i still left the theatre giving it a solid 7.5, which given everything it had to accomplish and the completely telegraphed ending is still very impressive...but man i don't get the 10/10 love.
Literally the only reason the movie is as big as it is, is because it's the big conclusion of a very popular series with a lot of big fan favorite characters getting closure etc.
On its own, there's no way this is the best movie of all time. For me, it's not even the best movie of MCU.
On May 03 2019 08:21 Salazarz wrote: Literally the only reason the movie is as big as it is, is because it's the big conclusion of a very popular series with a lot of big fan favorite characters getting closure etc.
On its own, there's no way this is the best movie of all time. For me, it's not even the best movie of MCU.
I don't get this. The reason its so big and so good is beacuse its the big conclusion of 10 years and 22 movies. I don't know how people can separate the two and somehow judge a movie based on taking a basic part of the movie out.
TFA had the same issue. Its a soft reboot in order to slide everyone into the new world of Disney's star wars lore. It had to get hardcore fans over the hitch of burning everything the star wars IP had done pretty much from return of the jedi. It had to slide in lapsed fans who only knew the movies and hated the prequels. It had to mythologize the original trilogy and somehow create a new path forward. These are core parts of the movie and it shouldn't be judged separate from these efforts.
I really, really enjoyed the movie, especially all of the intimate moments between main characters and their loved ones. I think criticizing the collection of the stones as being "slow" is missing the point; Tony saw his dad and Cap saw Carter (both of which were instrumental in their character arcs coming to a close), Nat and Clint, Clint and his family, Lang and his family, Thor and his mother, etc. They managed to naturally fit all of these things without seeming like total bullshit.
And holy crap, if you're single, do not rest until you find a person who looks at you the way Tony Stark looks at Peter Parker when he returns. Loved that moment.
I agree with most other people here that fitting Captain Marvel in is tough, as either she's seen as useless/ irrelevant or overpowered/ deus ex machina. I think her usefulness here was about as balanced as possible: she was the only one capable of rescuing Tony and Nebula, she destroyed the huge flying warship that was basically Thanos's ultimate weapon, and she helped a little in the fight against Thanos. If she was in more scenes, she would have either soloed everything or would have gotten uncharacteristically nerfed.
What did you guys think about the post-credits teaser? It was just an audio clip- metal hammering/ clanking on metal- which immediately made me think of Iron Man. Considering Cap is handing over the reins of his position, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a new Iron Man as well. The most obvious candidate, I think, is Black Panther's younger, brainy, tech-savvy, badass-attitude-similar-to-Stark sister. I think that'd be cool.
There was also a tiny Easter egg at Stark's funeral... everyone there was obvious to me except for a young boy who seemed out of place (right before the camera panned to Marvel and Fury at the end of that scene). I looked up who he was and he was a little boy who's helped out Stark in previous Iron Man movie scenes. Maybe he'll be relevant in some way again too...
oh wow I was wondering who that boy was. I thought I just forgot someone.
I think the post credits hammering sound was just a call back to the cave scene at the start of iron man 1. It would be super boss if they used it in a pre death of superman role with just a simple "Galactus is coming" Before ever referencing him or alluding to him in any way.
Let me try to explain the going into the past and the time travel in this movie, since, it looks like many people did not get it, but it was one of the things that were well made imo. Time travel is not like in the other movies, they cannot change the past and therefore the present and future by going back and changing stuff there because going into the past is not actually the past of the character(s) who goes there but it is their future or present, whatever happened in the past already happened, cannot be changed and when a person goes back its actually his/her present, thats why they were able to take things from there,, speak and fight with people, even bring people into the future (thanos, gamora) and this had nothing to with the past, only with the present and the future. However, the only exceptions are the stones, the moment you take out a stone from its timeline it creates a parallel universe in which everything will be different, impacted by the fact that the stone is not there, so actually the stones work like we were used for time travel to work from all other movies, thats why they had to go back and return them and shutdown the all possible parallel paths. And the last thing is that they say that going into the past has its consequences after all but we dont know what are they for now
p.s. One of the things that its not well tied in this plot imo is that why would they not go back in the near past and bring a brand new tony stark to stay with his family etc.
On May 03 2019 18:50 M2 wrote: Let me try to explain the going into the past and the time travel in this movie, since, it looks like many people did not get it, but it was one of the things that were well made imo. Time travel is not like in the other movies, they cannot change the past and therefore the present and future by going back and changing stuff there because going into the past is not actually the past of the character(s) who goes there but it is their future or present, whatever happened in the past already happened, cannot be changed and when a person goes back its actually his/her present, thats why they were able to take things from there,, speak and fight with people, even bring people into the future (thanos, gamora) and this had nothing to with the past, only with the present and the future. However, the only exceptions are the stones, the moment you take out a stone from its timeline it creates a parallel universe in which everything will be different, impacted by the fact that the stone is not there, so actually the stones work like we were used for time travel to work from all other movies, thats why they had to go back and return them and shutdown the all possible parallel paths. And the last thing is that they say that going into the past has its consequences after all but we dont know what are they for now
p.s. One of the things that its not well tied in this plot imo is that why would they not go back in the near past and bring a brand new tony stark to stay with his family etc.
Another issue is that Captain America going to the past should then not have been able to show up in the present day as an old man. For that to be possible he would've had to changed the past, which they stated several times to not be possible. I don't mind it too much as it made a really fitting end for his character, but they're not being entirely consistent unfortunately.
On May 03 2019 18:50 M2 wrote: Let me try to explain the going into the past and the time travel in this movie, since, it looks like many people did not get it, but it was one of the things that were well made imo. Time travel is not like in the other movies, they cannot change the past and therefore the present and future by going back and changing stuff there because going into the past is not actually the past of the character(s) who goes there but it is their future or present, whatever happened in the past already happened, cannot be changed and when a person goes back its actually his/her present, thats why they were able to take things from there,, speak and fight with people, even bring people into the future (thanos, gamora) and this had nothing to with the past, only with the present and the future. However, the only exceptions are the stones, the moment you take out a stone from its timeline it creates a parallel universe in which everything will be different, impacted by the fact that the stone is not there, so actually the stones work like we were used for time travel to work from all other movies, thats why they had to go back and return them and shutdown the all possible parallel paths. And the last thing is that they say that going into the past has its consequences after all but we dont know what are they for now
p.s. One of the things that its not well tied in this plot imo is that why would they not go back in the near past and bring a brand new tony stark to stay with his family etc.
Another issue is that Captain America going to the past should then not have been able to show up in the present day as an old man. For that to be possible he would've had to changed the past, which they stated several times to not be possible. I don't mind it too much as it made a really fitting end for his character, but they're not being entirely consistent unfortunately.
The time travel isn't totally consistent, but also not quite what M2 said. It's not just removing infinity stones that splits off a parallel reality, it's any change. That's so that you cannot go back in time and kill your father. You don't kill *your* father. You split off an alternate reality in which your father was murdered and you were never born (as in, if Tony had taken a detour to go and murder his pregnant mother). What the Ancient One explains is that most of those realities are fine and nothing you change has much consequence in the grand scheme of things, however, the infinity stones somehow hold everything together, so removing one will cause *bad things* to happen.
You cannot simply go back in time and kidnap tony stark and tell him you need him in your timeline, as tony stark clearly has things going on in his own time and telling him "look, you're dead in the future, and we just want to skip that bit where you die, so come with us" isn't going to convince him to leave his Pepper Potts and move with you to future Pepper Potts, because he's smart enough to know that if he needs to do something to save the universe (tm) and that ends with him dying, then if he's not there he's about to create a very bad universe. Not "remove an infinity stone" bad, but pretty damn bad for his own Pepper Potts and cute-daughter Stark. That's why you can't go back in time and fetch Tony.
As for how old-man Captain appeared, my idea was that they brought him back, and then took a poetic license to have him appear on the little bench overlooking the lake rather than that he appeared in the portal thingy. They specifically said: "for us, 5 seconds, but for him however long it takes". It took his entire life, which he lived happily in an alternate reality, and he got whisked out of that to return to reality 1.
That said, if Loki pops up with a tesseract in reality 1, then who knows what's going on with time travel in the MCU.
One thing I didn't get is why they brought everybody back 5 years in the future. Imagine being a random survivor: half the world gets snapped. You live on. Chaos, anarchy and savagery happens. You grieve for the loss of your wife and kinds. Then 5 years later: doublesnap, everybody's back. But the world is the fucked up mess of 5 years later. HOW IS THAT A GOOD IDEA?!
On May 03 2019 18:50 M2 wrote: Let me try to explain the going into the past and the time travel in this movie, since, it looks like many people did not get it, but it was one of the things that were well made imo. Time travel is not like in the other movies, they cannot change the past and therefore the present and future by going back and changing stuff there because going into the past is not actually the past of the character(s) who goes there but it is their future or present, whatever happened in the past already happened, cannot be changed and when a person goes back its actually his/her present, thats why they were able to take things from there,, speak and fight with people, even bring people into the future (thanos, gamora) and this had nothing to with the past, only with the present and the future. However, the only exceptions are the stones, the moment you take out a stone from its timeline it creates a parallel universe in which everything will be different, impacted by the fact that the stone is not there, so actually the stones work like we were used for time travel to work from all other movies, thats why they had to go back and return them and shutdown the all possible parallel paths. And the last thing is that they say that going into the past has its consequences after all but we dont know what are they for now
p.s. One of the things that its not well tied in this plot imo is that why would they not go back in the near past and bring a brand new tony stark to stay with his family etc.
Another issue is that Captain America going to the past should then not have been able to show up in the present day as an old man. For that to be possible he would've had to changed the past, which they stated several times to not be possible. I don't mind it too much as it made a really fitting end for his character, but they're not being entirely consistent unfortunately.
The time travel isn't totally consistent, but also not quite what M2 said. It's not just removing infinity stones that splits off a parallel reality, it's any change. That's so that you cannot go back in time and kill your father. You don't kill *your* father. You split off an alternate reality in which your father was murdered and you were never born (as in, if Tony had taken a detour to go and murder his pregnant mother). What the Ancient One explains is that most of those realities are fine and nothing you change has much consequence in the grand scheme of things, however, the infinity stones somehow hold everything together, so removing one will cause *bad things* to happen.
You cannot simply go back in time and kidnap tony stark and tell him you need him in your timeline, as tony stark clearly has things going on in his own time and telling him "look, you're dead in the future, and we just want to skip that bit where you die, so come with us" isn't going to convince him to leave his Pepper Potts and move with you to future Pepper Potts, because he's smart enough to know that if he needs to do something to save the universe (tm) and that ends with him dying, then if he's not there he's about to create a very bad universe. Not "remove an infinity stone" bad, but pretty damn bad for his own Pepper Potts and cute-daughter Stark. That's why you can't go back in time and fetch Tony.
As for how old-man Captain appeared, my idea was that they brought him back, and then took a poetic license to have him appear on the little bench overlooking the lake rather than that he appeared in the portal thingy. They specifically said: "for us, 5 seconds, but for him however long it takes". It took his entire life, which he lived happily in an alternate reality, and he got whisked out of that to return to reality 1.
That said, if Loki pops up with a tesseract in reality 1, then who knows what's going on with time travel in the MCU.
One thing I didn't get is why they brought everybody back 5 years in the future. Imagine being a random survivor: half the world gets snapped. You live on. Chaos, anarchy and savagery happens. You grieve for the loss of your wife and kinds. Then 5 years later: doublesnap, everybody's back. But the world is the fucked up mess of 5 years later. HOW IS THAT A GOOD IDEA?!
The latter part is an really interesting angle that they could explore further. Endgame makes a case that it's a good idea because most people couldn't move on after their terrible losses, but there's bound to be consequences for suddenly popping everyone back as well.
Don't think they will make any Avenger's movies any time soon, they used up the best piece of comic book writing on it and well produced "that" movie series. Their is to many heroes they killed off for it to be rebooted with any of the other stories left. They have no rights to X Men or Fantastic 4 which are the main heroes in most of the rest and they need those characters to replace the ones they don't have access to now.
On May 03 2019 21:04 Pandemona wrote: Don't think they will make any Avenger's movies any time soon, they used up the best piece of comic book writing on it and well produced "that" movie series. Their is to many heroes they killed off for it to be rebooted with any of the other stories left. They have no rights to X Men or Fantastic 4 which are the main heroes in most of the rest and they need those characters to replace the ones they don't have access to now.
On May 03 2019 21:30 Pandemona wrote: Thought Sony had the rights to X Men and Fantastic 4? Is that not true then.
No. Sony has Spider Man... and Marvel bought back some of those rights and they share them. Or something. Fox had X-Men and they got bough by Disney, which owns Marvel, so they're effectively back with Marvel.
Oh so they now have the complete collection of heroes. Spiderman was loaned as well right but i guess they might be able to continue to "lease" him per se lol. Well if they don't get the X Men characters and Fantastic 4 characters developed into Avengers then i'll be stupidly pissed off.
On May 03 2019 21:30 Pandemona wrote: Thought Sony had the rights to X Men and Fantastic 4? Is that not true then.
No. Sony has Spider Man... and Marvel bought back some of those rights and they share them. Or something. Fox had X-Men and they got bough by Disney, which owns Marvel, so they're effectively back with Marvel.
If I recall, Sony now only has the rights to the spiderverse, but not spiderman himself. Which is why we're seeing stuff like Venom suddenly getting his own (terrible) movie
On May 03 2019 18:50 M2 wrote: Let me try to explain the going into the past and the time travel in this movie, since, it looks like many people did not get it, but it was one of the things that were well made imo. Time travel is not like in the other movies, they cannot change the past and therefore the present and future by going back and changing stuff there because going into the past is not actually the past of the character(s) who goes there but it is their future or present, whatever happened in the past already happened, cannot be changed and when a person goes back its actually his/her present, thats why they were able to take things from there,, speak and fight with people, even bring people into the future (thanos, gamora) and this had nothing to with the past, only with the present and the future. However, the only exceptions are the stones, the moment you take out a stone from its timeline it creates a parallel universe in which everything will be different, impacted by the fact that the stone is not there, so actually the stones work like we were used for time travel to work from all other movies, thats why they had to go back and return them and shutdown the all possible parallel paths. And the last thing is that they say that going into the past has its consequences after all but we dont know what are they for now
p.s. One of the things that its not well tied in this plot imo is that why would they not go back in the near past and bring a brand new tony stark to stay with his family etc.
Another issue is that Captain America going to the past should then not have been able to show up in the present day as an old man. For that to be possible he would've had to changed the past, which they stated several times to not be possible. I don't mind it too much as it made a really fitting end for his character, but they're not being entirely consistent unfortunately.
The time travel isn't totally consistent, but also not quite what M2 said. It's not just removing infinity stones that splits off a parallel reality, it's any change. That's so that you cannot go back in time and kill your father. You don't kill *your* father. You split off an alternate reality in which your father was murdered and you were never born (as in, if Tony had taken a detour to go and murder his pregnant mother). What the Ancient One explains is that most of those realities are fine and nothing you change has much consequence in the grand scheme of things, however, the infinity stones somehow hold everything together, so removing one will cause *bad things* to happen.
You cannot simply go back in time and kidnap tony stark and tell him you need him in your timeline, as tony stark clearly has things going on in his own time and telling him "look, you're dead in the future, and we just want to skip that bit where you die, so come with us" isn't going to convince him to leave his Pepper Potts and move with you to future Pepper Potts, because he's smart enough to know that if he needs to do something to save the universe (tm) and that ends with him dying, then if he's not there he's about to create a very bad universe. Not "remove an infinity stone" bad, but pretty damn bad for his own Pepper Potts and cute-daughter Stark. That's why you can't go back in time and fetch Tony.
As for how old-man Captain appeared, my idea was that they brought him back, and then took a poetic license to have him appear on the little bench overlooking the lake rather than that he appeared in the portal thingy. They specifically said: "for us, 5 seconds, but for him however long it takes". It took his entire life, which he lived happily in an alternate reality, and he got whisked out of that to return to reality 1.
That said, if Loki pops up with a tesseract in reality 1, then who knows what's going on with time travel in the MCU.
One thing I didn't get is why they brought everybody back 5 years in the future. Imagine being a random survivor: half the world gets snapped. You live on. Chaos, anarchy and savagery happens. You grieve for the loss of your wife and kinds. Then 5 years later: doublesnap, everybody's back. But the world is the fucked up mess of 5 years later. HOW IS THAT A GOOD IDEA?!
To get Tony back with no consequence. You go back in time to a little before nebula betrays everyone and foil her plan. Then you take that Tony to the future and let hulk do his snap as usual. That timelines family for Tony can’t complain because he would’ve died anyways.
One thing I didn't get is why they brought everybody back 5 years in the future. Imagine being a random survivor: half the world gets snapped. You live on. Chaos, anarchy and savagery happens. You grieve for the loss of your wife and kinds. Then 5 years later: doublesnap, everybody's back. But the world is the fucked up mess of 5 years later. HOW IS THAT A GOOD IDEA?!
I liked the idea, since, it deviates from the complete happy end and flawless victory over what Thanos did. They won but not without heavy losses. Actually they didnt exactly win, they survived.
On May 03 2019 22:04 Pandemona wrote: Oh so they now have the complete collection of heroes. Spiderman was loaned as well right but i guess they might be able to continue to "lease" him per se lol. Well if they don't get the X Men characters and Fantastic 4 characters developed into Avengers then i'll be stupidly pissed off.
After the Fox acquisition, Disney now has X-Men and Fantastic Four. If I remember correctly, they also had a deal that they couldn't do even cameos for the MCU films until the deal was finished, and that's (partly) the reason we don't see them in Captain Marvel and Endgame. Remember that there's still a Fox X-Men film coming out this summer.
Sony still has Spider-Man, but I think they might be happy with the revenue sharing from the MCU Spider-Man films. At least for now.
Universal has Hulk, which means no solo Hulk movies until they renegotiate those rights.
One thing I didn't get is why they brought everybody back 5 years in the future. Imagine being a random survivor: half the world gets snapped. You live on. Chaos, anarchy and savagery happens. You grieve for the loss of your wife and kinds. Then 5 years later: doublesnap, everybody's back. But the world is the fucked up mess of 5 years later. HOW IS THAT A GOOD IDEA?!
I liked the idea, since, it deviates from the complete happy end and flawless victory over what Thanos did. They won but not without heavy losses. Actually they didnt exactly win, they survived.
I agree, it was my favorite part of the movie and I'm excited to see what they do next. The world is 200 times more interesting because it has been changed by what Thanos did, but is still reconcilable as our world. As a narrative, it is something only comic books can do. Kill half of everyone off and then bring them back after 5 years, but not erase any of the grief associated with dying in the first place.
On May 03 2019 21:30 Pandemona wrote: Thought Sony had the rights to X Men and Fantastic 4? Is that not true then.
No. Sony has Spider Man... and Marvel bought back some of those rights and they share them. Or something. Fox had X-Men and they got bough by Disney, which owns Marvel, so they're effectively back with Marvel.
If I recall, Sony now only has the rights to the spiderverse, but not spiderman himself. Which is why we're seeing stuff like Venom suddenly getting his own (terrible) movie
Here is some info on the Sony/Marvel spiderman deal:
Back in 2015, Sony struck a deal with Disney’s Marvel Studios that permitted Spider-Man to be part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. According to the terms of that deal, as reported by Vanity Fair (the deal has never been publicly disclosed) Spider-Man would be shared across Sony and Marvel productions for a total of five films.
Spidey has been in three thus far and Sony cannot incorporate the character into its own extended universe until the deal comes to a conclusion. That five-film cap will presumably be reached when two already filmed movies debut: “Avengers: Endgame” in April and “Spider-Man: Far From Home” in July (it is likely Spider-Man is in Endgame, though he has not been in any of the trailers released so far).
In return for agreeing to the deal, Marvel Studios has provided A-list characters for Spider-Man’s recent solo outings that star Tom Holland: 2017′s “Spider-Man: Homecoming” saw Robert Downey Jr. headline as Iron Man. The movie grossed over $880 million worldwide, according to Comscore. And this summer’s “Spider-Man: Far From Home” will see Samuel L. Jackson don his eye patch once more to play Nick Fury. Marvel doesn’t share in the film revenue but can see a revenue boost from merchandise sales related to the movies’ characters.
I thought it was a great movie. That said, in movies I care more about getting the tone right rather than telling a good story.
Story-wise there was a lot of plotholes, as expected when time travel is involved. Most characters were treated sans Thor. Thanos maintained a strong villain presence but his past self just lacked the same depth. And like any Avengers movie I hated the big final battle and I wished it remained small-scale fight of the survivors vs Thanos.
Also, Captain Marvel has the worst characterization ever out of any Marvel superhero.
I enjoyed it just like I enjoyed TDKR, the story made no sense if you think about it but the execution was great.
On May 04 2019 17:10 explosivekangaroo wrote: I thought it was a great movie. That said, in movies I care more about getting the tone right rather than telling a good story.
Story-wise there was a lot of plotholes, as expected when time travel is involved. Most characters were treated sans Thor. Thanos maintained a strong villain presence but his past self just lacked the same depth. And like any Avengers movie I hated the big final battle and I wished it remained small-scale fight of the survivors vs Thanos.
Also, Captain Marvel has the worst characterization ever out of any Marvel superhero.
I enjoyed it just like I enjoyed TDKR, the story made no sense if you think about it but the execution was great.
I wouldn't say her characterization is bad as much as its absent. They could pull a Thor and give her a really good arc over a few movies and still save her as a character.
On May 04 2019 17:10 explosivekangaroo wrote: I thought it was a great movie. That said, in movies I care more about getting the tone right rather than telling a good story.
Story-wise there was a lot of plotholes, as expected when time travel is involved. Most characters were treated sans Thor. Thanos maintained a strong villain presence but his past self just lacked the same depth. And like any Avengers movie I hated the big final battle and I wished it remained small-scale fight of the survivors vs Thanos.
Also, Captain Marvel has the worst characterization ever out of any Marvel superhero.
I enjoyed it just like I enjoyed TDKR, the story made no sense if you think about it but the execution was great.
I wouldn't say her characterization is bad as much as its absent. They could pull a Thor and give her a really good arc over a few movies and still save her as a character.
Might be hard. Her latest comic book series are coming close on 7th cancellation due to lack of interest (72% drop in sales over 3 issues) and overall poor quality. I really have no idea why they're trying to push her so hard. No one really wants to see this character.
On May 04 2019 17:10 explosivekangaroo wrote: I thought it was a great movie. That said, in movies I care more about getting the tone right rather than telling a good story.
Story-wise there was a lot of plotholes, as expected when time travel is involved. Most characters were treated sans Thor. Thanos maintained a strong villain presence but his past self just lacked the same depth. And like any Avengers movie I hated the big final battle and I wished it remained small-scale fight of the survivors vs Thanos.
Also, Captain Marvel has the worst characterization ever out of any Marvel superhero.
I enjoyed it just like I enjoyed TDKR, the story made no sense if you think about it but the execution was great.
I wouldn't say her characterization is bad as much as its absent. They could pull a Thor and give her a really good arc over a few movies and still save her as a character.
Might be hard. Her latest comic book series are coming close on 7th cancellation due to lack of interest (72% drop in sales over 3 issues) and overall poor quality. I really have no idea why they're trying to push her so hard. No one really wants to see this character.
78% on Rotten Tomatoes and one of the highest-grossing opening weekends for films of all time disagree with you. There's obviously a ton of overlap between comic book fans and movie goers, but they're clearly doing something right with Captain Marvel on the big screen. Plus, she's obviously in the running to lead the next phase of Marvel superheroes. Her movie was pretty solidly received, she's getting another one, and we'll see where it goes from there.
On May 04 2019 17:10 explosivekangaroo wrote: I thought it was a great movie. That said, in movies I care more about getting the tone right rather than telling a good story.
Story-wise there was a lot of plotholes, as expected when time travel is involved. Most characters were treated sans Thor. Thanos maintained a strong villain presence but his past self just lacked the same depth. And like any Avengers movie I hated the big final battle and I wished it remained small-scale fight of the survivors vs Thanos.
Also, Captain Marvel has the worst characterization ever out of any Marvel superhero.
I enjoyed it just like I enjoyed TDKR, the story made no sense if you think about it but the execution was great.
I wouldn't say her characterization is bad as much as its absent. They could pull a Thor and give her a really good arc over a few movies and still save her as a character.
Might be hard. Her latest comic book series are coming close on 7th cancellation due to lack of interest (72% drop in sales over 3 issues) and overall poor quality. I really have no idea why they're trying to push her so hard. No one really wants to see this character.
78% on Rotten Tomatoes and one of the highest-grossing opening weekends for films of all time disagree with you. There's obviously a ton of overlap between comic book fans and movie goers, but they're clearly doing something right with Captain Marvel on the big screen. Plus, she's obviously in the running to lead the next phase of Marvel superheroes. Her movie was pretty solidly received, she's getting another one, and we'll see where it goes from there.
I hope they give her solo films to an indie movie director or someone who deals in stuff other than superpowers. At the moment she's just kinda boring as a character. They've shown tiny glimpses of who she is as a person but not much really, all of her appearances so far have been defined by the circumstances the character finds herself in rather than her own choices and why she makes them.
On May 04 2019 17:10 explosivekangaroo wrote: I thought it was a great movie. That said, in movies I care more about getting the tone right rather than telling a good story.
Story-wise there was a lot of plotholes, as expected when time travel is involved. Most characters were treated sans Thor. Thanos maintained a strong villain presence but his past self just lacked the same depth. And like any Avengers movie I hated the big final battle and I wished it remained small-scale fight of the survivors vs Thanos.
Also, Captain Marvel has the worst characterization ever out of any Marvel superhero.
I enjoyed it just like I enjoyed TDKR, the story made no sense if you think about it but the execution was great.
I wouldn't say her characterization is bad as much as its absent. They could pull a Thor and give her a really good arc over a few movies and still save her as a character.
Might be hard. Her latest comic book series are coming close on 7th cancellation due to lack of interest (72% drop in sales over 3 issues) and overall poor quality. I really have no idea why they're trying to push her so hard. No one really wants to see this character.
78% on Rotten Tomatoes and one of the highest-grossing opening weekends for films of all time disagree with you. There's obviously a ton of overlap between comic book fans and movie goers, but they're clearly doing something right with Captain Marvel on the big screen. Plus, she's obviously in the running to lead the next phase of Marvel superheroes. Her movie was pretty solidly received, she's getting another one, and we'll see where it goes from there.
78%/56% is not that good for an MCU movie, even Ant-Man was at 82%/86% (and Shazam! is at 90%/87%). And big part of its success is the sole fact it's a Marvel superhero movie (which all do relatively well, regardless of what it is) and that people were pretty starved for content before AE. The high gross is also pretty questionable since there were insinuations of studio buying out the tickets (cinemas reporting all tickets sold but about 25% of people actually showing up to the movies).
And as far as reception goes, there are very few actually favorable reviews for this movie. The general consensus is that it was "meh" at best. Brie Larson being a rather unlikable person IRL doesn't help it at all (her interviews are pretty cringe).
On May 04 2019 17:10 explosivekangaroo wrote: I thought it was a great movie. That said, in movies I care more about getting the tone right rather than telling a good story.
Story-wise there was a lot of plotholes, as expected when time travel is involved. Most characters were treated sans Thor. Thanos maintained a strong villain presence but his past self just lacked the same depth. And like any Avengers movie I hated the big final battle and I wished it remained small-scale fight of the survivors vs Thanos.
Also, Captain Marvel has the worst characterization ever out of any Marvel superhero.
I enjoyed it just like I enjoyed TDKR, the story made no sense if you think about it but the execution was great.
I wouldn't say her characterization is bad as much as its absent. They could pull a Thor and give her a really good arc over a few movies and still save her as a character.
Might be hard. Her latest comic book series are coming close on 7th cancellation due to lack of interest (72% drop in sales over 3 issues) and overall poor quality. I really have no idea why they're trying to push her so hard. No one really wants to see this character.
78% on Rotten Tomatoes and one of the highest-grossing opening weekends for films of all time disagree with you. There's obviously a ton of overlap between comic book fans and movie goers, but they're clearly doing something right with Captain Marvel on the big screen. Plus, she's obviously in the running to lead the next phase of Marvel superheroes. Her movie was pretty solidly received, she's getting another one, and we'll see where it goes from there.
78%/56% is not that good for an MCU movie, even Ant-Man was at 82%/86% (and Shazam! is at 90%/87%). And big part of its success is the sole fact it's a Marvel superhero movie (which all do relatively well, regardless of what it is) and that people were pretty starved for content before AE. The high gross is also pretty questionable since there were insinuations of studio buying out the tickets (cinemas reporting all tickets sold but about 25% of people actually showing up to the movies).
The average review score on Rotten Tomatoes for MCU films released before Captain Marvel is 84,15%, so the film is just slightly below the middle of the pack.
And as far as reception goes, there are very few actually favorable reviews for this movie. The general consensus is that it was "meh" at best.
Except that you just mentioned that 78% of the 459 reviews on the site are listed as favorable. That's not "very few". You don't like the film, you don't like Brie Larson because reasons, but your opinion is not the "general consensus".
And I have no idea why you'd want to bring up weird ticket sales conspiracy shit.
Getting 78% from critics' reviews really isn't all that impressive - they tend to skew quite positive for big-picture films from major studios. In fact, I'd say that's quite low. I generally look much more at the audience scores, which tend to track well with the overall public perception of the film. And that seems to suggest... it was kinda meh, as is the consensus I've seen overall. Not necessarily a bad movie, but also not a great one, and not aided by pointless interview snafus ahead of its release. I'm sure it sold decently, because on name brand alone it will do that, but that doesn't really mean the products of lesser immediate popularity, like comic books, will do well. In fact, it's likely that they will not, in the same way that it was only obvious with the reaction to the spinoffs that the poor quality Star Wars releases actually had an effect; the movies themselves all performed really well.
Just watched it. 6/10 in my opinion. Probably harsh cuz I expected much more. I thought as a standalone it was a poor movie. But as the finale of this mcu phase, it did a decent job in tying everything up.
I usually don't like time travels, but I can accept the logic discussed by banner and ancient one. However, I absolutely hate how cap stayed in the past and showed up as an old man in the present. There's no logic behind this because the cap that went back in the past is not the same cap that is old.
I like thanos change in view from eliminating half to eliminating everything in the universe. I thought it made sense because he became aware of how his plan didn't exactly turn out the way he envisioned.
I like what they did with thor. He loss his parents, loss his brother, loss his best asgard pals, loss his city, loss half of his people and fucked up cuz he didn't go for the head. He was rightfully depressed so I enjoyed his character.
I disliked what they did with captain marvel. She felt way too op and for all the hype she brought, she was criminally underused. I don't really know her skillset, it appears to be just headfirst flying through everybody and it feels so boring. Basically you could remove her and the only minor problem you have is how to save Tony from space. Where was she the whole time when they were attempting time traveling? Was she informed of the plan? How did she know to fly back?
I dislike the pacing of this movie. There were too little fights. First 2/3 was just story telling. The only real fight is the big one, where there were too many characters fighting each other for screentime. For a 3 hour movie, i was expecting much much more. Infinity War was brilliant. Skirmishes after skirmishes to ensure every superhero was featured adequately.
Also how the hell does cap shoot lightning? Wielding and summoning the mjolnir is fine, but isn't the hammer just a tool for thor to better control his lightning, rather than being a lightning blaster itself. And why in the midst of all the desparate fighting would cap even think about attempting to wield the mjolnir.
Was Hawkeye going full vigilante really necessary? Does it make sense that potts joins the last fight in the suit? Why is there so little hulk smash. This version of hulk is a literal joke. Is Wanda really that strong in mcu at that point in time?
Then there's the inconsistency with touching the stones. The power stone alone contained so much power that the collector's servant got fried touching it. GotG struggled to contain the power. After so many years of study, how did the avengers know how to make a stone out of the aether. How did they get the stone out of tessaract. How did they know how to design a gauntlet equal to the infinity gauntlet that's capable of holding all 6 stones using earthly materials. Remember the gauntlet had to be forged by some dwarf blacksmith guy using a burning star and yet Tony could build one in his lab.
Basically I feel empty with this movie not because its over but because it did not turn out the way I liked. Actually after typing this whole chunk, I'll revise my rating to 4/10.
On May 06 2019 13:10 DucK- wrote: Just watched it. 6/10 in my opinion. Probably harsh cuz I expected much more. I thought as a standalone it was a poor movie. But as the finale of this mcu phase, it did a decent job in tying everything up.
I usually don't like time travels, but I can accept the logic discussed by banner and ancient one. However, I absolutely hate how cap stayed in the past and showed up as an old man in the present. There's no logic behind this because the cap that went back in the past is not the same cap that is old.
I like thanos change in view from eliminating half to eliminating everything in the universe. I thought it made sense because he became aware of how his plan didn't exactly turn out the way he envisioned.
I like what they did with thor. He loss his parents, loss his brother, loss his best asgard pals, loss his city, loss half of his people and fucked up cuz he didn't go for the head. He was rightfully depressed so I enjoyed his character.
I disliked what they did with captain marvel. She felt way too op and for all the hype she brought, she was criminally underused. I don't really know her skillset, it appears to be just headfirst flying through everybody and it feels so boring. Basically you could remove her and the only minor problem you have is how to save Tony from space. Where was she the whole time when they were attempting time traveling? Was she informed of the plan? How did she know to fly back?
I dislike the pacing of this movie. There were too little fights. First 2/3 was just story telling. The only real fight is the big one, where there were too many characters fighting each other for screentime. For a 3 hour movie, i was expecting much much more. Infinity War was brilliant. Skirmishes after skirmishes to ensure every superhero was featured adequately.
Also how the hell does cap shoot lightning? Wielding and summoning the mjolnir is fine, but isn't the hammer just a tool for thor to better control his lightning, rather than being a lightning blaster itself. And why in the midst of all the desparate fighting would cap even think about attempting to wield the mjolnir.
Was Hawkeye going full vigilante really necessary? Does it make sense that potts joins the last fight in the suit? Why is there so little hulk smash. This version of hulk is a literal joke. Is Wanda really that strong in mcu at that point in time?
Then there's the inconsistency with touching the stones. The power stone alone contained so much power that the collector's servant got fried touching it. GotG struggled to contain the power. After so many years of study, how did the avengers know how to make a stone out of the aether. How did they get the stone out of tessaract. How did they know how to design a gauntlet equal to the infinity gauntlet that's capable of holding all 6 stones using earthly materials. Remember the gauntlet had to be forged by some dwarf blacksmith guy using a burning star and yet Tony could build one in his lab.
Basically I feel empty with this movie not because its over but because it did not turn out the way I liked. Actually after typing this whole chunk, I'll revise my rating to 4/10.
I think you missed the major plot point of captian america decided to stay in the past right after the war in order to live his life with the woman he loved. He lived with her and then aged naturaly until showing up again on that bench with the sheild in its case.
Captian marvel was trying to help the rest of the universe deal with half their population being killed and various other galactic issues. She has to take time to travel back to earth from whatever method used to communicate to her that she should come back.
The hammer was how Thor used lightning before learning how to do it on his own in Ragnarok. I don't understand why picking up a weapon in the middle of a battlefield is a bad idea.
Hawkeyes family died in front of him bro. Thats an incredibly traumatic experience for a guy who did everything bad that he did for that family and then they're all dead. What does he do with his life afterward? Also ronin was a comic book thing and this was the way to use that. Hulk having balance is a nice tie down for his trilogy.
Wanda is a special case because of shes the daughter of Magneto in the comic books but obviously, she can't be a mutant because xmen wasn't Disney. She has the power to rework reality in whatever image she wants to. The powers she currently uses is limited by the fact that its all she believes she can do at the moment.
They used a tool to get the stone out of the ether. The Tesseract was always just a box with the stone in it. They had the gauntlet still from killing thanos at the start and presumably they figured it out in the 5 years that they had.
I don't like your post because instead of providing any perspective on what you wanted or was hoping for all you did was complain, sometimes about petty things movies should be allowed to take liberties on. What were you hoping for in endgame?
On May 06 2019 13:10 DucK- wrote: Just watched it. 6/10 in my opinion. Probably harsh cuz I expected much more. I thought as a standalone it was a poor movie. But as the finale of this mcu phase, it did a decent job in tying everything up.
I usually don't like time travels, but I can accept the logic discussed by banner and ancient one. However, I absolutely hate how cap stayed in the past and showed up as an old man in the present. There's no logic behind this because the cap that went back in the past is not the same cap that is old.
I like thanos change in view from eliminating half to eliminating everything in the universe. I thought it made sense because he became aware of how his plan didn't exactly turn out the way he envisioned.
I like what they did with thor. He loss his parents, loss his brother, loss his best asgard pals, loss his city, loss half of his people and fucked up cuz he didn't go for the head. He was rightfully depressed so I enjoyed his character.
I disliked what they did with captain marvel. She felt way too op and for all the hype she brought, she was criminally underused. I don't really know her skillset, it appears to be just headfirst flying through everybody and it feels so boring. Basically you could remove her and the only minor problem you have is how to save Tony from space. Where was she the whole time when they were attempting time traveling? Was she informed of the plan? How did she know to fly back?
I dislike the pacing of this movie. There were too little fights. First 2/3 was just story telling. The only real fight is the big one, where there were too many characters fighting each other for screentime. For a 3 hour movie, i was expecting much much more. Infinity War was brilliant. Skirmishes after skirmishes to ensure every superhero was featured adequately.
Also how the hell does cap shoot lightning? Wielding and summoning the mjolnir is fine, but isn't the hammer just a tool for thor to better control his lightning, rather than being a lightning blaster itself. And why in the midst of all the desparate fighting would cap even think about attempting to wield the mjolnir.
Was Hawkeye going full vigilante really necessary? Does it make sense that potts joins the last fight in the suit? Why is there so little hulk smash. This version of hulk is a literal joke. Is Wanda really that strong in mcu at that point in time?
Then there's the inconsistency with touching the stones. The power stone alone contained so much power that the collector's servant got fried touching it. GotG struggled to contain the power. After so many years of study, how did the avengers know how to make a stone out of the aether. How did they get the stone out of tessaract. How did they know how to design a gauntlet equal to the infinity gauntlet that's capable of holding all 6 stones using earthly materials. Remember the gauntlet had to be forged by some dwarf blacksmith guy using a burning star and yet Tony could build one in his lab.
Basically I feel empty with this movie not because its over but because it did not turn out the way I liked. Actually after typing this whole chunk, I'll revise my rating to 4/10.
I don't really get where that criticism is coming from. Almost every point you bring up has a logical explanation to it. I agree IW was better, but then again, I think it's pretty hard to top that. Also, movies using time travel will always have problems. Endgame was all about closure for some major characters, some build-up for Phase 4 (several scenes in the end), and a lot of pure fan service. From that point of view, the movie was pretty good. Not IW-good, but still far better than mediocre even as a standalone movie (which isn't even relevant since the whole point is that the movie is the conclusion of, what, 22 movies starting with Iron Man?)
Sermokala gave you pretty good answers already, but I'd to add one thing about Cap lifting Mjolnir - it's not like it came from nowhere. They teased it in Age of Ultron and he even does it at some point in the comics. And who would NOT think of lifting one of the strongest weapons in the universe against one of the strongest creatures in the universe?! It f*****g shoots lightning!
On May 06 2019 13:10 DucK- wrote: Just watched it. 6/10 in my opinion. Probably harsh cuz I expected much more. I thought as a standalone it was a poor movie. But as the finale of this mcu phase, it did a decent job in tying everything up.
I usually don't like time travels, but I can accept the logic discussed by banner and ancient one. However, I absolutely hate how cap stayed in the past and showed up as an old man in the present. There's no logic behind this because the cap that went back in the past is not the same cap that is old.
I like thanos change in view from eliminating half to eliminating everything in the universe. I thought it made sense because he became aware of how his plan didn't exactly turn out the way he envisioned.
I like what they did with thor. He loss his parents, loss his brother, loss his best asgard pals, loss his city, loss half of his people and fucked up cuz he didn't go for the head. He was rightfully depressed so I enjoyed his character.
I disliked what they did with captain marvel. She felt way too op and for all the hype she brought, she was criminally underused. I don't really know her skillset, it appears to be just headfirst flying through everybody and it feels so boring. Basically you could remove her and the only minor problem you have is how to save Tony from space. Where was she the whole time when they were attempting time traveling? Was she informed of the plan? How did she know to fly back?
I dislike the pacing of this movie. There were too little fights. First 2/3 was just story telling. The only real fight is the big one, where there were too many characters fighting each other for screentime. For a 3 hour movie, i was expecting much much more. Infinity War was brilliant. Skirmishes after skirmishes to ensure every superhero was featured adequately.
Also how the hell does cap shoot lightning? Wielding and summoning the mjolnir is fine, but isn't the hammer just a tool for thor to better control his lightning, rather than being a lightning blaster itself. And why in the midst of all the desparate fighting would cap even think about attempting to wield the mjolnir.
Was Hawkeye going full vigilante really necessary? Does it make sense that potts joins the last fight in the suit? Why is there so little hulk smash. This version of hulk is a literal joke. Is Wanda really that strong in mcu at that point in time?
Then there's the inconsistency with touching the stones. The power stone alone contained so much power that the collector's servant got fried touching it. GotG struggled to contain the power. After so many years of study, how did the avengers know how to make a stone out of the aether. How did they get the stone out of tessaract. How did they know how to design a gauntlet equal to the infinity gauntlet that's capable of holding all 6 stones using earthly materials. Remember the gauntlet had to be forged by some dwarf blacksmith guy using a burning star and yet Tony could build one in his lab.
Basically I feel empty with this movie not because its over but because it did not turn out the way I liked. Actually after typing this whole chunk, I'll revise my rating to 4/10.
I think you missed the major plot point of captian america decided to stay in the past right after the war in order to live his life with the woman he loved. He lived with her and then aged naturaly until showing up again on that bench with the sheild in its case.
Captian marvel was trying to help the rest of the universe deal with half their population being killed and various other galactic issues. She has to take time to travel back to earth from whatever method used to communicate to her that she should come back.
The hammer was how Thor used lightning before learning how to do it on his own in Ragnarok. I don't understand why picking up a weapon in the middle of a battlefield is a bad idea.
Hawkeyes family died in front of him bro. Thats an incredibly traumatic experience for a guy who did everything bad that he did for that family and then they're all dead. What does he do with his life afterward? Also ronin was a comic book thing and this was the way to use that. Hulk having balance is a nice tie down for his trilogy.
Wanda is a special case because of shes the daughter of Magneto in the comic books but obviously, she can't be a mutant because xmen wasn't Disney. She has the power to rework reality in whatever image she wants to. The powers she currently uses is limited by the fact that its all she believes she can do at the moment.
They used a tool to get the stone out of the ether. The Tesseract was always just a box with the stone in it. They had the gauntlet still from killing thanos at the start and presumably they figured it out in the 5 years that they had.
I don't like your post because instead of providing any perspective on what you wanted or was hoping for all you did was complain, sometimes about petty things movies should be allowed to take liberties on. What were you hoping for in endgame?
I understand that cap stayed in the past. My issue is that the same cap in this current universe that went back to the past is not the same cap that is sitting on the bench as an old man. The old man would be someone from the 'future universe' that travelled back to the 'current universe' and stayed low profile during these times.
Just read some theory that plausibly cap stayed in the past till his old and then used the pym particles to come back to the present as an old man. This works for me, but I'd prefer if he then appeared via the machine instead. Time travelling has a lot of paradoxes so it's a touchy issue for me.
On mjolnir. It was known that only thor could lift the hammer. Cap tried before, everyone tried before. All failed to lift it then. So when it comes to a critical situation, it makes no sense to opt for such a low percentage unknown play instead of trying something else or fighting like how you've trained your whole life to. This is a movie logic issue albeit minor though.
Researching the gauntlet for 5 years sounds logical so I'll take that back.
What would I prefer? Maybe proper deaths. The creators have not been shy in killing heroes, so I don't see why they couldn't do here. Again citing the collector's servant and possibly red skull, neither of them could handle the power of the infinity stones. Yet Tony an ordinary human could. I wouldn't mind if he and cap got slain in battle instead. Thanoscopter sword looks cool and I'd have liked some critical wounds from it. Also thanos dying from snapping feels like a meh way to do it.
I'd prefer captain marvel to have a more prominent role in this film. Maybe set her up for an equal fight with thanos to show she is not that OP. After all she is just part of the space stone just like Wanda is part of the mind stone (ie. Powers derived from them). Its really hard to balance fights when one uses combat and another uses 'magic' so maybe have thanos intercept nebula/warmachine with the power stone or something so he at least have a stone.
Yea. Lack of logic aside, maybe the film just needs more fights.
I never read any Marvel comics, so can someone explain what the orange place (soul world?), that Thanos found himself after he snapped in Infinity War, was? Maybe it was due to time constraint, but it would have been interesting to see Hulk and Iron Man go there as well after they snapped. Who would they have met, if any?
On May 06 2019 20:56 don_kyuhote wrote: I never read any Marvel comics, so can someone explain what the orange place (soul world?), that Thanos found himself after he snapped in Infinity War, was? Maybe it was due to time constraint, but it would have been interesting to see Hulk and Iron Man go there as well after they snapped. Who would they have met, if any?
He didn't go anywhere after he snapped? In Infinity War he snapped and retired to "The Garden" (which was a bit orange, but also green). Then they found him there at the beginning of Endgame and murdered him.
On May 06 2019 20:56 don_kyuhote wrote: I never read any Marvel comics, so can someone explain what the orange place (soul world?), that Thanos found himself after he snapped in Infinity War, was? Maybe it was due to time constraint, but it would have been interesting to see Hulk and Iron Man go there as well after they snapped. Who would they have met, if any?
He didn't go anywhere after he snapped? In Infinity War he snapped and retired to "The Garden" (which was a bit orange, but also green). Then they found him there at the beginning of Endgame and murdered him.
Yeah, and Nebula explained that in the very beginning of AE; she said she knew where Thanos would choose to go.
On May 06 2019 20:56 don_kyuhote wrote: I never read any Marvel comics, so can someone explain what the orange place (soul world?), that Thanos found himself after he snapped in Infinity War, was? Maybe it was due to time constraint, but it would have been interesting to see Hulk and Iron Man go there as well after they snapped. Who would they have met, if any?
He didn't go anywhere after he snapped? In Infinity War he snapped and retired to "The Garden" (which was a bit orange, but also green). Then they found him there at the beginning of Endgame and murdered him.
Oh. That place. Yeah. Dunno. I mean, it didn't seem like a requirement to visit the soul world. Seems in particular like Hulk would have tried tho, to get Natasha back? Maybe it got filmed and cut in the editing?
Thinking about this movie and i'm still "meh". Imho another ironman/spiderman movie is missing? I don't know where and when to fit it in and their relationship was kinda established but their chemistry was really awesome and fleshing that out more would have been great.
On May 06 2019 16:00 DucK- wrote: I understand that cap stayed in the past. My issue is that the same cap in this current universe that went back to the past is not the same cap that is sitting on the bench as an old man. The old man would be someone from the 'future universe' that travelled back to the 'current universe' and stayed low profile during these times.
What's in the film to suggest this?
On May 06 2019 16:00 DucK- wrote: On mjolnir. It was known that only thor could lift the hammer. Cap tried before, everyone tried before. All failed to lift it then. So when it comes to a critical situation, it makes no sense to opt for such a low percentage unknown play instead of trying something else or fighting like how you've trained your whole life to. This is a movie logic issue albeit minor though.
When you're behind, you need to pull off something drastic in order to not only survive, but win. We see the same principle every single GSL season.
On May 06 2019 16:00 DucK- wrote: Also thanos dying from snapping feels like a meh way to do it.
You do remember the ending of Infinity War, right? The Snap Heard 'Round the World and all that?
Anyway, some random observations on the film.
- Anyone else catch a strange detail in the wide shot just before Thanos turned to ash? There were two figures on the ground, embracing like the other was dying from some wounds. It felt real odd, because up until that point the enemy force was a faceless horde that wasn't humanized at all. Maybe there are some cut scenes.
- Did Dr Strange really manipulate Tony into sacrificing himself? In the previous film, Strange said that he went through about 14 million different scenarios, and that he found only one with this ending. Did he mean an ending where he himself survives and Tony dies? The Sorcerer Supreme tries to protect Earth, and Tony has proven to be reckless at times, and possibly dangerous to the planet.
- Further, did Nebula really manipulate Clint and Nat into going to Vormir, knowing that one of them would have to die.
- Will future movies deal with how the Earth is going to provide enough food for 3.5 billion people after scaling back food production for five years? Are there huge stockpiles of resources lying in wait? We get a kind of a happy ending, but also a logistical nightmare scenario, where thousands of people will likely starve as the world's resources are stretched to their limits. The Spider-Man trailer suggests that our heroes will have to deal with trauma caused by the events in the last film, but how far are they willing to go with it?
- Professor Hulk's eyelines seemed a bit off in a few shots.
On May 06 2019 13:10 DucK- wrote: Just watched it. 6/10 in my opinion. Probably harsh cuz I expected much more. I thought as a standalone it was a poor movie. But as the finale of this mcu phase, it did a decent job in tying everything up.
I usually don't like time travels, but I can accept the logic discussed by banner and ancient one. However, I absolutely hate how cap stayed in the past and showed up as an old man in the present. There's no logic behind this because the cap that went back in the past is not the same cap that is old.
I like thanos change in view from eliminating half to eliminating everything in the universe. I thought it made sense because he became aware of how his plan didn't exactly turn out the way he envisioned.
I like what they did with thor. He loss his parents, loss his brother, loss his best asgard pals, loss his city, loss half of his people and fucked up cuz he didn't go for the head. He was rightfully depressed so I enjoyed his character.
I disliked what they did with captain marvel. She felt way too op and for all the hype she brought, she was criminally underused. I don't really know her skillset, it appears to be just headfirst flying through everybody and it feels so boring. Basically you could remove her and the only minor problem you have is how to save Tony from space. Where was she the whole time when they were attempting time traveling? Was she informed of the plan? How did she know to fly back?
I dislike the pacing of this movie. There were too little fights. First 2/3 was just story telling. The only real fight is the big one, where there were too many characters fighting each other for screentime. For a 3 hour movie, i was expecting much much more. Infinity War was brilliant. Skirmishes after skirmishes to ensure every superhero was featured adequately.
Also how the hell does cap shoot lightning? Wielding and summoning the mjolnir is fine, but isn't the hammer just a tool for thor to better control his lightning, rather than being a lightning blaster itself. And why in the midst of all the desparate fighting would cap even think about attempting to wield the mjolnir.
Was Hawkeye going full vigilante really necessary? Does it make sense that potts joins the last fight in the suit? Why is there so little hulk smash. This version of hulk is a literal joke. Is Wanda really that strong in mcu at that point in time?
Then there's the inconsistency with touching the stones. The power stone alone contained so much power that the collector's servant got fried touching it. GotG struggled to contain the power. After so many years of study, how did the avengers know how to make a stone out of the aether. How did they get the stone out of tessaract. How did they know how to design a gauntlet equal to the infinity gauntlet that's capable of holding all 6 stones using earthly materials. Remember the gauntlet had to be forged by some dwarf blacksmith guy using a burning star and yet Tony could build one in his lab.
Basically I feel empty with this movie not because its over but because it did not turn out the way I liked. Actually after typing this whole chunk, I'll revise my rating to 4/10.
I think you missed the major plot point of captian america decided to stay in the past right after the war in order to live his life with the woman he loved. He lived with her and then aged naturaly until showing up again on that bench with the sheild in its case.
Captian marvel was trying to help the rest of the universe deal with half their population being killed and various other galactic issues. She has to take time to travel back to earth from whatever method used to communicate to her that she should come back.
The hammer was how Thor used lightning before learning how to do it on his own in Ragnarok. I don't understand why picking up a weapon in the middle of a battlefield is a bad idea.
Hawkeyes family died in front of him bro. Thats an incredibly traumatic experience for a guy who did everything bad that he did for that family and then they're all dead. What does he do with his life afterward? Also ronin was a comic book thing and this was the way to use that. Hulk having balance is a nice tie down for his trilogy.
Wanda is a special case because of shes the daughter of Magneto in the comic books but obviously, she can't be a mutant because xmen wasn't Disney. She has the power to rework reality in whatever image she wants to. The powers she currently uses is limited by the fact that its all she believes she can do at the moment.
They used a tool to get the stone out of the ether. The Tesseract was always just a box with the stone in it. They had the gauntlet still from killing thanos at the start and presumably they figured it out in the 5 years that they had.
I don't like your post because instead of providing any perspective on what you wanted or was hoping for all you did was complain, sometimes about petty things movies should be allowed to take liberties on. What were you hoping for in endgame?
I understand that cap stayed in the past. My issue is that the same cap in this current universe that went back to the past is not the same cap that is sitting on the bench as an old man. The old man would be someone from the 'future universe' that travelled back to the 'current universe' and stayed low profile during these times.
Just read some theory that plausibly cap stayed in the past till his old and then used the pym particles to come back to the present as an old man. This works for me, but I'd prefer if he then appeared via the machine instead. Time travelling has a lot of paradoxes so it's a touchy issue for me.
On mjolnir. It was known that only thor could lift the hammer. Cap tried before, everyone tried before. All failed to lift it then. So when it comes to a critical situation, it makes no sense to opt for such a low percentage unknown play instead of trying something else or fighting like how you've trained your whole life to. This is a movie logic issue albeit minor though.
Researching the gauntlet for 5 years sounds logical so I'll take that back.
What would I prefer? Maybe proper deaths. The creators have not been shy in killing heroes, so I don't see why they couldn't do here. Again citing the collector's servant and possibly red skull, neither of them could handle the power of the infinity stones. Yet Tony an ordinary human could. I wouldn't mind if he and cap got slain in battle instead. Thanoscopter sword looks cool and I'd have liked some critical wounds from it. Also thanos dying from snapping feels like a meh way to do it.
I'd prefer captain marvel to have a more prominent role in this film. Maybe set her up for an equal fight with thanos to show she is not that OP. After all she is just part of the space stone just like Wanda is part of the mind stone (ie. Powers derived from them). Its really hard to balance fights when one uses combat and another uses 'magic' so maybe have thanos intercept nebula/warmachine with the power stone or something so he at least have a stone.
Yea. Lack of logic aside, maybe the film just needs more fights.
No hes not. Hes the same captain America from our future universe that went through all the events and then went back in time to live through the events again but with a live and without the burden of the shield. He only went back to post WW2 so 1945ish. 60-70 years isn't that far off from what he locked. We can argue that the super soldier surem would have a huge ass issue in any aging scenario but hey movie. They made it for a touching emotional end and thats what we should acept for it to happen.
If thats the time travel part you have issue with you completely missed the point when thanos came from pre gotg to modern times invalidating the majority of the post ultron marvel universe.
In thor its described that only the worthy can lift the hammer. Vision lifts the hammer. Thor loses the ability to lift the hammer in the first movie in order for him to become worthy and then lift it.
Proper deaths? I don't know what you mean a bunch of critical people died. Tony couldn't handle the stones and he died from the snap. Hulk was also a human and bearly was able to snap.
I think the snappening end was good. It was finite and more then thanos dieing you could visually watch him be defeated and surrender to the end.
Idk it was 3 hours already more fights would've made it even longer.
snappening < Snapture. If we are going go have half the population disappear and re-appear, it are going to reference the rapture. We will not reference a M Might Shyamalan movie.
Nothing in the film suggests that present cap time travelled back from the past to the current. It is implied that he stayed in the past and grew old, which means all this while present cap is in the past and not the present. So the old man cap that falcon and co saw cannot be the present cap. It has to be a future cap, which means they're different people just like how present nebula and old nebula are different etc.
The very fact that they're different entities is what I don't like about time travel. Lots of inconsistency. The present agent Carter lived her life without cap but this old man cap apparently spent some time with him. Paradox?
Plus it was said that changing the past does not affect your present. Otherwise they'd just killed baby thanos. All it does is to change the trajectory of the past's timeline to not meet the present. An alternative universe different from the present. So present cap marrying agent Carter in the past does not change the fact that present Carter never met him again till she was dying or that she married someone else. Which also implies that old man cap could not have married her. Unless you want to play along the line that they kept their relationship super secret throughout which sounds farfetched already.
So the only theory I can accept is if present cap travelled back in the present after marrying Carter and getting old in the past. In that case, I'd prefer if he appeared via the machine rather than out of nowhere on the bench.
When you're behind, you need to pull off something drastic in order to not only survive, but win. We see the same principle every single GSL season.
It's one thing to do a hail mary play. I think it's another to attempt to do something that you have tried before and clearly failed. Unless it's something cliche like cap getting pinned by thanos and the only thing in reach is the hammer. There was simply no reason why cap should try to use the hammer.
You do remember the ending of Infinity War, right? The Snap Heard 'Round the World and all that?
Yes, I get it. It comes full circle. It was actually quite a nice scene to see thanos giving up after the snap. It's meh to me though because it feels too easy to kill all the baddies off.
How can you have an issue with it? Captain travelled back and stayed back, he meets his buddies again in present day.
If you want to bitch about something, here is one: Why send Black Widow and Hawkeye to gather a stone on a planet that they have no clue what there is to expect? ANY random superpowered Opponent would just end the whole plan right there and then.
On May 07 2019 16:23 Velr wrote: How can you have an issue with it? Captain travelled back and stayed back, he meets his buddies again in present day.
If you want to bitch about something, here is one: Why send Black Widow and Hawkeye to gather a stone on a planet that they have no clue what there is to expect? ANY random superpowered Opponent would just end the whole plan right there and then.
Maybe they knew what to expect and didn't want one of the proper superheroes to die.
"We'll send em both and they can decide when they get there"
On May 07 2019 16:23 Velr wrote: How can you have an issue with it? Captain travelled back and stayed back, he meets his buddies again in present day.
If you want to bitch about something, here is one: Why send Black Widow and Hawkeye to gather a stone on a planet that they have no clue what there is to expect? ANY random superpowered Opponent would just end the whole plan right there and then.
Maybe they knew what to expect and didn't want one of the proper superheroes to die.
"We'll send em both and they can decide when they get there"
lol
Nebula knew, and she probably had a lot of say in who goes where, sooooo...
On May 07 2019 16:23 Velr wrote: How can you have an issue with it? Captain travelled back and stayed back, he meets his buddies again in present day.
If you want to bitch about something, here is one: Why send Black Widow and Hawkeye to gather a stone on a planet that they have no clue what there is to expect? ANY random superpowered Opponent would just end the whole plan right there and then.
Well I said all along I disliked time travel mechanics but I accept the discussion ancient one and banner had. So I was fine with the time heist etc and everything time travel in the movie except the cap moment. Because it goes against the logic and theory of time travels that the movie spent time carefully explaining to the audience.
On May 07 2019 16:23 Velr wrote: How can you have an issue with it? Captain travelled back and stayed back, he meets his buddies again in present day.
If you want to bitch about something, here is one: Why send Black Widow and Hawkeye to gather a stone on a planet that they have no clue what there is to expect? ANY random superpowered Opponent would just end the whole plan right there and then.
Well I said all along I disliked time travel mechanics but I accept the discussion ancient one and banner had. So I was fine with the time heist etc and everything time travel in the movie except the cap moment. Because it goes against the logic and theory of time travels that the movie spent time carefully explaining to the audience.
Thanos can zip his ship, with thousands of crew/warriors through their time travel device which was designed for humans. Nebula spent about 10 seconds "reconfiguring" the machine to do that using one (or zero) of their time GPS device things.
If the device can do that, I'm sure it can zip cap onto a bench 20 meters away instead of him appearing exactly centered
One thing my wife and I haven't agreed on yet: did Tony snap Gamora? Or is she alive again now and with the Guardians? She wasn't anywhere in the final scenes with Thor, and Starlord looked longingly at her photo. So my wife thinks when Tony snapped all of Thanos's out-of-time gang away, that included Gamora. I think she's still around.
You might have missed it, but Marvel introduced their first LGBT character in Avengers: Endgame.
No, he didn't take part in the huge, final battle, but who could forget "grieving man" at the counselling group who spoke to Captain America about going on a date?
It was so important to director Joe Russo, he decided to play the role himself.
"It is a perfect time, because one of the things that is compelling about the Marvel Universe moving forward is its focus on diversity," he said in an interview with Deadline magazine.
Moviegoers were introduced to The Avengers in a series of movies - Iron Man in 2008, Thor and Captain America in 2011 - three hugely successful films about white men with super powers.
It took until 2018 (Black Panther) and 2019 (Captain Marvel) for a movie in Marvel's cinematic universe to be led by a person of colour or a woman.
And none of the 22 movies in the 11-year Avengers franchise have included a main character who is LGBTQ+.
"I think it's very telling that the Russo Brothers made such a fuss about this inclusion of an openly gay character," Philip Ellis, a pop culture journalist from Birmingham, tells Radio 1 Newsbeat.
"If they'd not said anything about it, that scene might have been seen as a pleasant surprise but because they made such a big deal of it, it really did feel like a let-down."
This is all so stupid imo
I get why representation is important, and its nice that Marvel are sticking to that and finding ways to diversify their movies, great. I don't get why people are pissed off that 'they didn't go far enough'. FFS. You don't get to decide what other people put in their movies for your own political agenda, no matter how correct you are about the politics. This attitude that if the next Marvel movie doesn't have a gay kiss its an outrage just makes no sense. It makes as little sense as all the people hating on Captain Marvel or Black Panther before they're released because women/black people.
The first two X-Men movies were played by the actors - at least in part - as allegories for the struggle of gay people, and examinations of how they feel they could or should react to discrimation.
It seems that audiences aren't bothered about actually examining issues now and the virtuous thing to do is just to have gay people kiss in your film, then the box is ticked and you don't need to mention it anymore, right?
One thing my wife and I haven't agreed on yet: did Tony snap Gamora? Or is she alive again now and with the Guardians? She wasn't anywhere in the final scenes with Thor, and Starlord looked longingly at her photo. So my wife thinks when Tony snapped all of Thanos's out-of-time gang away, that included Gamora. I think she's still around.
Didn't Star Lord touch Gamora's face and have this "awww I missed you so much..." moment and she kicked him in the nuts since this Gamora doesn't know Star Lord? Was that before or after that snap?
One thing my wife and I haven't agreed on yet: did Tony snap Gamora? Or is she alive again now and with the Guardians? She wasn't anywhere in the final scenes with Thor, and Starlord looked longingly at her photo. So my wife thinks when Tony snapped all of Thanos's out-of-time gang away, that included Gamora. I think she's still around.
Didn't Star Lord touch Gamora's face and have this "awww I missed you so much..." moment and she kicked him in the nuts since this Gamora doesn't know Star Lord? Was that before or after that snap?
yea, then I guess it's possible for Iron Man to have just made every being that came with Thanos's ship to disappear.
But who knows? During that short moment when he had all the stones, maybe he could have sensed that Gamora was on his side with Soul stone or Mind stone or something.
now that this era of the MCU is completed who will Disney make the face of the new MCU? Robert Downey Jr. is done. Who replaces him as the next face of the new MCU?
now that this era of the MCU is completed who will Disney make the face of the new MCU? Robert Downey Jr. is done. Who replaces him as the next face of the new MCU?
That's an interesting question. I would guess Tom Holland as Spider Man, as a universally liked character with lots of personality, plus he's got the first movie post-Endgame and had a strong relationship with Iron Man. There's a good chance Disney pushes Brie Larson, and a small chance they push Chadwick Boseman, but I'm not sure if their characters are up to it. Another (slightly different) question is who's going to be the most important character in-universe post-Endgame, especially in organizing the Avengers, now that Iron Man and Thor are out and Captain America will still take at least one movie to "prove himself" as the de facto Cap. Black Panther and Captain Marvel are the obvious choices (I would go for Black Panther and leave Captain Marvel for space adventure things).
now that this era of the MCU is completed who will Disney make the face of the new MCU? Robert Downey Jr. is done. Who replaces him as the next face of the new MCU?
now that this era of the MCU is completed who will Disney make the face of the new MCU? Robert Downey Jr. is done. Who replaces him as the next face of the new MCU?
Judging by the spiderman trailer, they're setting Spidey up to take a big role. Although lets face it, Spidey is small fries in comparison to superpowers like Captain Marvel, Scarlet Witch or Dr. Strange. Captain Marvel and Dr. Strange both have a sequel movie in phase 4, so we'll see how they plan to continue, and Black Panther has the charisma to be the "face" of the new avengers.
At a meta level, clearly the plan is to diversify, with the TV tie-ins being a far more important part. Big ticket actors like Tom Hiddleston playing the same role on TV as in cinema is a pretty big move. So far only Agent Coulson has had any real role of consequence in both the TV and movie versions of MCU, and in the movies he was only really Nick Fury's sidekick in Avengers 1. If they make the tie-ins more mixed, we could also see Quake and Daredevil appear in the next iteration of the Avengers. That'd be pretty cool.
now that this era of the MCU is completed who will Disney make the face of the new MCU? Robert Downey Jr. is done. Who replaces him as the next face of the new MCU?
That's an interesting question. I would guess Tom Holland as Spider Man, as a universally liked character with lots of personality, plus he's got the first movie post-Endgame and had a strong relationship with Iron Man. There's a good chance Disney pushes Brie Larson, and a small chance they push Chadwick Boseman, but I'm not sure if their characters are up to it. Another (slightly different) question is who's going to be the most important character in-universe post-Endgame, especially in organizing the Avengers, now that Iron Man and Thor are out and Captain America will still take at least one movie to "prove himself" as the de facto Cap. Black Panther and Captain Marvel are the obvious choices (I would go for Black Panther and leave Captain Marvel for space adventure things).
For the first question it has to be Spiderman imo, nobody else comes even close. For the second, I agree Black Panther is a solid choice as he has the experience from ruling a small country.
On a related note, I would think Dr Strange will be important for actually helping fix the screwed up world they live in now and generally giving advice to other avengers. Maybe War Machine can be the public relations guy to fix their relationship with the US government.
now that this era of the MCU is completed who will Disney make the face of the new MCU? Robert Downey Jr. is done. Who replaces him as the next face of the new MCU?
Judging by the spiderman trailer, they're setting Spidey up to take a big role. Although lets face it, Spidey is small fries in comparison to superpowers like Captain Marvel, Scarlet Witch or Dr. Strange. Captain Marvel and Dr. Strange both have a sequel movie in phase 4, so we'll see how they plan to continue, and Black Panther has the charisma to be the "face" of the new avengers.
At a meta level, clearly the plan is to diversify, with the TV tie-ins being a far more important part. Big ticket actors like Tom Hiddleston playing the same role on TV as in cinema is a pretty big move. So far only Agent Coulson has had any real role of consequence in both the TV and movie versions of MCU, and in the movies he was only really Nick Fury's sidekick in Avengers 1. If they make the tie-ins more mixed, we could also see Quake and Daredevil appear in the next iteration of the Avengers. That'd be pretty cool.
The new Spider-man trailer shows a lot of promise. A smaller story, more personal story that has stakes, but isn’t the literal end of the world. I hope they keep doing these smaller stories, even with the big characters like Strange and Captain Marvel. There is a very good plotline in Captain Marvel about her helping out refugees on a poisoned planet that could be fleshed out. And the solutions to that story don’t involve violence(though the end does involve violence, mostly because someone tries to prevent the solution from happening).
And that Spider-man movie hinted at a multi-verse(though Mysterio is liar, that is like his entire thing), so we could be living the dream of live action Mile Morales and Nick Cage as a Spider-man Noir. Though the raw power of Zendaya does mean that we will never get the Peter Parker dates Kitty Pride and fights crime with her story line. That was a very good run. Maybe Mary Jane could get an Teen-sized Iron-man suit, because one does not waste Zendaya as a simple love interest.
The problem with Spiderman being the face of the Marvel universe is that the deal with Sony supposedly ends with this movie. Disney and Sony could extend the deal, but Sony may have other plans as the current deal precludes Spiderman from appearing in other Sony movies like Venom and the upcoming Morbius.
Fantasic Four and X-men both seem like locks to integrate in going forward though after the current Fox X-men series concludes this summer.
I am sure Sony and Marvel will be able to cut a new deal. This one has been all roses for Sony and made them a lot of money. What are they going to do, make off brand Spider-man movies without Holland and none of that Marvel talent?
On May 08 2019 01:53 karazax wrote: The problem with Spiderman being the face of the Marvel universe is that the deal with Sony supposedly ends with this movie. Disney and Sony could extend the deal, but Sony may have other plans as the current deal precludes Spiderman from appearing in other Sony movies like Venom and the upcoming Morbius.
Fantasic Four and X-men both seem like locks to integrate in going forward though after the current Fox X-men series concludes this summer.
He's slated to play in at least 3 more movies, so it would greatly surprise me if they didn't manage to work something out
I have a question. This is happened during Infinity War, but can someone tell me what Thanos said as he was preparing to get hit by Iron Man's rockets in this sequence? + Show Spoiler +
I watched it yesterday and i didnt like it. Mediocre movie at best. Few points on my side (spoilers inside): + Show Spoiler +
1.Absolute lack of surprise. Infinity War had nice surprise at the end, in this movie everything was expected and obvious since it even started. 2.Captain Marvel as Deus ex Machina solution (those are always bad) 3.The underdog lost. Because lets face it. Thanos was not only outnumbered (henchmens do not count) but also faced with multiple foes with superior abilities - flying, laser shooting, indestructible armour. Its like bunch of humans poking a dog with electric sticks, disgusting. 4.If a movie tries to be serious it shouldnt be stupid, sttupid and sad does not go along very well. 5.The one thing they got right is that time travel does not make sense and is never done right in movies or books. But thats a reason to not touch it at all!!! And they make it a major plot device.
For me it is 6/10 at best. Coming from general fantasy-science fiction enthusiast not comic/movie fan.
On May 10 2019 15:33 Silvanel wrote: I watched it yesterday and i didnt like it. Mediocre movie at best. Few points on my side (spoilers inside): + Show Spoiler +
1.Absolute lack of surprise. Infinity War had nice surprise at the end, in this movie everything was expected and obvious since it even started. 2.Captain Marvel as Deus ex Machina solution (those are always bad) 3.The underdog lost. Because lets face it. Thanos was not only outnumbered (henchmens do not count) but also faced with multiple foes with superior abilities - flying, laser shooting, indestructible armour. Its like bunch of humans poking a dog with electric sticks, disgusting. 4.If a movie tries to be serious it shouldnt be stupid, sttupid and sad does not go along very well. 5.The one thing they got right is that time travel does not make sense and is never done right in movies or books. But thats a reason to not touch it at all!!! And they make it a major plot device.
For me it is 6/10 at best. Coming from general fantasy-science fiction enthusiast not comic/movie fan.
On nr 4: Wat? Futurama, Final Space, a lot of MCU movies, most of Pixar films ever made, and probably a lot of other things I've forgotten, are all "stupid" but sad as fuck at times. The most effective combo in the world for making me cry is interchanging comedy + seriousness. Films can be more than one emotion you know (Unlike DC currently where everything is always dark and serious, and you just get bored instead).
edit: I forgot Rick and Morty. That's the pinnacle of stupidity, and they still manage to pull on the sad emotion string once in a while.
For me it does not work or at least it did not work in Endgame. The only time when i felt something resembling sadness in that movie was when + Show Spoiler +
Thor was leaving his mother and when i realised Thanos wont take anyone with him. He should at least take a cap, he had him on the ropes. That would be a great scene (they could leave shield as a whole and Sam could take it up over caps dead body, that would be much better IMO
. Obviously there are no movies for everybodys taste, Endgame definitely does not work for me.
One thing i would mention, Thanos is the strongest being in the Marvel universe to note, he is the strongest being that is without the gauntlet. So that is why it needed everyone, but in the comic book lore that still wasn't enough, the only reason they were able to win is because of Adam Warlock and Nebula. Thanos after he kills everyone basically, shifts into an Astral Being in which he drops the gauntlet, whilst in Astral form, Adam Warlock shows up and basically talks Thanos into understanding why he fucked up after Thanos was screwed by the mistress of death (he only did all of this to try and get her love, which she rejected once he did it). Nebula picks up the gauntlet and undoes the snap after again being convinced by Adam Warlock to do this with some use of the Soul Gem that Adam possesses, from there he is told to relinquish the Gauntlet by the Astral council and Thanos just goes on living his life as a farmer, which is what in fairness the movie alluded to here with Nebula "knowing where he is".
So, yeah remember Thanos is the strongest fighting the MCU and was only ever beaten because he basically beat himself mentally after a huge rejection of love xD
On May 11 2019 00:37 Pandemona wrote: One thing i would mention, Thanos is the strongest being in the Marvel universe to note, he is the strongest being that is without the gauntlet. So that is why it needed everyone, but in the comic book lore that still wasn't enough, the only reason they were able to win is because of Adam Warlock and Nebula. Thanos after he kills everyone basically, shifts into an Astral Being in which he drops the gauntlet, whilst in Astral form, Adam Warlock shows up and basically talks Thanos into understanding why he fucked up after Thanos was screwed by the mistress of death (he only did all of this to try and get her love, which she rejected once he did it). Nebula picks up the gauntlet and undoes the snap after again being convinced by Adam Warlock to do this with some use of the Soul Gem that Adam possesses, from there he is told to relinquish the Gauntlet by the Astral council and Thanos just goes on living his life as a farmer, which is what in fairness the movie alluded to here with Nebula "knowing where he is".
So, yeah remember Thanos is the strongest fighting the MCU and was only ever beaten because he basically beat himself mentally after a huge rejection of love xD
Didn't read the comics but this is what I would love to happen. Something similar to the king in Chimera Ant arc in HxH but + Show Spoiler +
- Thanos simply fist-fights everyone and tries to win the easy way with the gloves - Stupid grand battle. Useless henchmen/flying monsters against superpowers & super weapons. Of course nobody dies against those cannon fodders - Captain Marvel is ridiculously OP and could just wipe the battlefield in mere seconds and/or solve lots of stuff easily. - Predictable plot, unnecessarily long
+ Really like how it starts with Thanos being a villager and talking philosophy but yeah... + Dudeism is strong with Thor
6/10 Shazam is actually more enjoyable for me in term of superheroes flicks.
On May 11 2019 00:37 Pandemona wrote: One thing i would mention, Thanos is the strongest being in the Marvel universe to note, he is the strongest being that is without the gauntlet. So that is why it needed everyone, but in the comic book lore that still wasn't enough, the only reason they were able to win is because of Adam Warlock and Nebula. Thanos after he kills everyone basically, shifts into an Astral Being in which he drops the gauntlet, whilst in Astral form, Adam Warlock shows up and basically talks Thanos into understanding why he fucked up after Thanos was screwed by the mistress of death (he only did all of this to try and get her love, which she rejected once he did it). Nebula picks up the gauntlet and undoes the snap after again being convinced by Adam Warlock to do this with some use of the Soul Gem that Adam possesses, from there he is told to relinquish the Gauntlet by the Astral council and Thanos just goes on living his life as a farmer, which is what in fairness the movie alluded to here with Nebula "knowing where he is".
So, yeah remember Thanos is the strongest fighting the MCU and was only ever beaten because he basically beat himself mentally after a huge rejection of love xD
Didn't read the comics but this is what I would love to happen. Something similar to the king in Chimera Ant arc in HxH but + Show Spoiler +
- Thanos simply fist-fights everyone and tries to win the easy way with the gloves - Stupid grand battle. Useless henchmen/flying monsters against superpowers & super weapons. Of course nobody dies against those cannon fodders - Captain Marvel is ridiculously OP and could just wipe the battlefield in mere seconds and/or solve lots of stuff easily. - Predictable plot, unnecessarily long
+ Really like how it starts with Thanos being a villager and talking philosophy but yeah... + Dudeism is strong with Thor
6/10 Shazam is actually more enjoyable for me in term of superheroes flicks.
On May 06 2019 13:10 DucK- wrote: Just watched it. 6/10 in my opinion. Probably harsh cuz I expected much more. I thought as a standalone it was a poor movie. But as the finale of this mcu phase, it did a decent job in tying everything up.
I usually don't like time travels, but I can accept the logic discussed by banner and ancient one. However, I absolutely hate how cap stayed in the past and showed up as an old man in the present. There's no logic behind this because the cap that went back in the past is not the same cap that is old.
I like thanos change in view from eliminating half to eliminating everything in the universe. I thought it made sense because he became aware of how his plan didn't exactly turn out the way he envisioned.
I like what they did with thor. He loss his parents, loss his brother, loss his best asgard pals, loss his city, loss half of his people and fucked up cuz he didn't go for the head. He was rightfully depressed so I enjoyed his character.
I disliked what they did with captain marvel. She felt way too op and for all the hype she brought, she was criminally underused. I don't really know her skillset, it appears to be just headfirst flying through everybody and it feels so boring. Basically you could remove her and the only minor problem you have is how to save Tony from space. Where was she the whole time when they were attempting time traveling? Was she informed of the plan? How did she know to fly back?
I dislike the pacing of this movie. There were too little fights. First 2/3 was just story telling. The only real fight is the big one, where there were too many characters fighting each other for screentime. For a 3 hour movie, i was expecting much much more. Infinity War was brilliant. Skirmishes after skirmishes to ensure every superhero was featured adequately.
Also how the hell does cap shoot lightning? Wielding and summoning the mjolnir is fine, but isn't the hammer just a tool for thor to better control his lightning, rather than being a lightning blaster itself. And why in the midst of all the desparate fighting would cap even think about attempting to wield the mjolnir.
Was Hawkeye going full vigilante really necessary? Does it make sense that potts joins the last fight in the suit? Why is there so little hulk smash. This version of hulk is a literal joke. Is Wanda really that strong in mcu at that point in time?
Then there's the inconsistency with touching the stones. The power stone alone contained so much power that the collector's servant got fried touching it. GotG struggled to contain the power. After so many years of study, how did the avengers know how to make a stone out of the aether. How did they get the stone out of tessaract. How did they know how to design a gauntlet equal to the infinity gauntlet that's capable of holding all 6 stones using earthly materials. Remember the gauntlet had to be forged by some dwarf blacksmith guy using a burning star and yet Tony could build one in his lab.
Basically I feel empty with this movie not because its over but because it did not turn out the way I liked. Actually after typing this whole chunk, I'll revise my rating to 4/10.
Odin enchanted the hammer in Thor 1. "Whoever wields this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor"
On May 11 2019 02:02 Arceus wrote: - Stupid grand battle. Useless henchmen/flying monsters against superpowers & super weapons. Of course nobody dies against those cannon fodders
This is one of my complaints too. I mean, even Ultron killed Quicksilver, but Thanos, with all his soldiers and super battleship, can't even kill one hero in what is supposed to be the hardest battle for avengers to win? The way that final battle played out just felt too contrived.
On May 10 2019 15:33 Silvanel wrote: I watched it yesterday and i didnt like it. Mediocre movie at best. Few points on my side (spoilers inside): + Show Spoiler +
1.Absolute lack of surprise. Infinity War had nice surprise at the end, in this movie everything was expected and obvious since it even started. 2.Captain Marvel as Deus ex Machina solution (those are always bad) 3.The underdog lost. Because lets face it. Thanos was not only outnumbered (henchmens do not count) but also faced with multiple foes with superior abilities - flying, laser shooting, indestructible armour. Its like bunch of humans poking a dog with electric sticks, disgusting. 4.If a movie tries to be serious it shouldnt be stupid, sttupid and sad does not go along very well. 5.The one thing they got right is that time travel does not make sense and is never done right in movies or books. But thats a reason to not touch it at all!!! And they make it a major plot device.
For me it is 6/10 at best. Coming from general fantasy-science fiction enthusiast not comic/movie fan.
I mostly agree with your post, especially on the time travel part. I never cared for time travel as a plot device. It just always gets murky, especially when you get into alternate/parallel universes. Why should I care about one parallel universe more than another? If the Avengers bring everyone back in their universe but in a parallel universe everyone stays dead, do we still count that as a win?
On May 11 2019 02:02 Arceus wrote: - Stupid grand battle. Useless henchmen/flying monsters against superpowers & super weapons. Of course nobody dies against those cannon fodders
This is one of my complaints too. I mean, even Ultron killed Quicksilver, but Thanos, with all his soldiers and super battleship, can't even kill one hero in what is supposed to be the hardest battle for avengers to win? The way that final battle played out just felt too contrived.
And yet Thanos did more damage to the world and heroes than Ultron did. Ant man missed five years of his daughters life. Hawkeye is 5 years older and filled with a whole bunch of survivors guilt and now has to learn to live with his family again. Sometimes there are consequences that are more interesting than someone dying.
Also, two heroes did get taken out as a consequence of Thanos’s actions.
On May 11 2019 02:02 Arceus wrote: - Stupid grand battle. Useless henchmen/flying monsters against superpowers & super weapons. Of course nobody dies against those cannon fodders
This is one of my complaints too. I mean, even Ultron killed Quicksilver, but Thanos, with all his soldiers and super battleship, can't even kill one hero in what is supposed to be the hardest battle for avengers to win? The way that final battle played out just felt too contrived.
And yet Thanos did more damage to the world and heroes than Ultron did. Ant man missed five years of his daughters life. Hawkeye is 5 years older and filled with a whole bunch of survivors guilt and now has to learn to live with his family again. Sometimes there are consequences that are more interesting than someone dying.
Also, two heroes did get taken out as a consequence of Thanos’s actions.
3 if you count Gamora. She's replaced with another version of herself, sure, but the "original" one, with all her memories and self being, is dead.
On May 11 2019 02:02 Arceus wrote: - Stupid grand battle. Useless henchmen/flying monsters against superpowers & super weapons. Of course nobody dies against those cannon fodders
This is one of my complaints too. I mean, even Ultron killed Quicksilver, but Thanos, with all his soldiers and super battleship, can't even kill one hero in what is supposed to be the hardest battle for avengers to win? The way that final battle played out just felt too contrived.
And yet Thanos did more damage to the world and heroes than Ultron did. Ant man missed five years of his daughters life. Hawkeye is 5 years older and filled with a whole bunch of survivors guilt and now has to learn to live with his family again. Sometimes there are consequences that are more interesting than someone dying.
Also, two heroes did get taken out as a consequence of Thanos’s actions.
A whole bunch of people surely suicided because their loved ones vanished. I don't think those came back but I don't think that's explained either?
Half of the population is now 5 years older and went to some dark places (depression etc) while the other half just came back "one second later".
On May 11 2019 02:02 Arceus wrote: - Stupid grand battle. Useless henchmen/flying monsters against superpowers & super weapons. Of course nobody dies against those cannon fodders
This is one of my complaints too. I mean, even Ultron killed Quicksilver, but Thanos, with all his soldiers and super battleship, can't even kill one hero in what is supposed to be the hardest battle for avengers to win? The way that final battle played out just felt too contrived.
And yet Thanos did more damage to the world and heroes than Ultron did. Ant man missed five years of his daughters life. Hawkeye is 5 years older and filled with a whole bunch of survivors guilt and now has to learn to live with his family again. Sometimes there are consequences that are more interesting than someone dying.
Also, two heroes did get taken out as a consequence of Thanos’s actions.
A whole bunch of people surely suicided because their loved ones vanished. I don't think those came back but I don't think that's explained either?
Half of the population is now 5 years older and went to some dark places (depression etc) while the other half just came back "one second later".
Of course. Just watch the Left Overs and assume the world was that depressing, but then everyone came back and is super confused. Endgame has the most consequences of any Marvel movie and goes out of its way to make sure those consequences cannot be undone.
On May 11 2019 02:02 Arceus wrote: - Stupid grand battle. Useless henchmen/flying monsters against superpowers & super weapons. Of course nobody dies against those cannon fodders
This is one of my complaints too. I mean, even Ultron killed Quicksilver, but Thanos, with all his soldiers and super battleship, can't even kill one hero in what is supposed to be the hardest battle for avengers to win? The way that final battle played out just felt too contrived.
And yet Thanos did more damage to the world and heroes than Ultron did. Ant man missed five years of his daughters life. Hawkeye is 5 years older and filled with a whole bunch of survivors guilt and now has to learn to live with his family again. Sometimes there are consequences that are more interesting than someone dying.
Also, two heroes did get taken out as a consequence of Thanos’s actions.
3 if you count Gamora. She's replaced with another version of herself, sure, but the "original" one, with all her memories and self being, is dead.
I could say 4 if we include Captain America doing the whole time travel thing. But that just means he can show up for any movie down the line that they want him to guest star in.
On May 11 2019 02:02 Arceus wrote: - Stupid grand battle. Useless henchmen/flying monsters against superpowers & super weapons. Of course nobody dies against those cannon fodders
This is one of my complaints too. I mean, even Ultron killed Quicksilver, but Thanos, with all his soldiers and super battleship, can't even kill one hero in what is supposed to be the hardest battle for avengers to win? The way that final battle played out just felt too contrived.
And yet Thanos did more damage to the world and heroes than Ultron did. Ant man missed five years of his daughters life. Hawkeye is 5 years older and filled with a whole bunch of survivors guilt and now has to learn to live with his family again. Sometimes there are consequences that are more interesting than someone dying.
Also, two heroes did get taken out as a consequence of Thanos’s actions.
I was talking specifically within the context of the final battles of each movie. If you want to consider what mark they left outside of those final battles, that's fine, but I expected more from the battle scene itself in Endgame, specifically from team Thanos.
On May 11 2019 02:02 Arceus wrote: - Stupid grand battle. Useless henchmen/flying monsters against superpowers & super weapons. Of course nobody dies against those cannon fodders
This is one of my complaints too. I mean, even Ultron killed Quicksilver, but Thanos, with all his soldiers and super battleship, can't even kill one hero in what is supposed to be the hardest battle for avengers to win? The way that final battle played out just felt too contrived.
And yet Thanos did more damage to the world and heroes than Ultron did. Ant man missed five years of his daughters life. Hawkeye is 5 years older and filled with a whole bunch of survivors guilt and now has to learn to live with his family again. Sometimes there are consequences that are more interesting than someone dying.
Also, two heroes did get taken out as a consequence of Thanos’s actions.
I was talking specifically within the context of the final battles of each movie. If you want to consider what mark they left outside of those final battles, that's fine, but I expected more from the battle scene itself in Endgame, specifically from team Thanos.
Despite all their amazing super powers, the heroes only manage to defeat one villain per movie. That also feels contrived, I feel they should be able to defeat more than one when the Avengers get together.
But for a less snarky answers, super heroes are pantheon of characters that partake in huge battles and events, but come out unharmed to live through more stories. The battle is just a set piece for the stage drama that are super hero stories.
On May 11 2019 07:10 riotjune wrote: When Thanos used the power stone to wreck Carol Danvers I was like yea who's your daddy now bitch!
My theater laughed/cheered when that happened. Oddly enough it felt as they were limited by time so they did that in order to save screen time for the ending etc.
On May 11 2019 07:10 riotjune wrote: When Thanos used the power stone to wreck Carol Danvers I was like yea who's your daddy now bitch!
My theater laughed/cheered when that happened. Oddly enough it felt as they were limited by time so they did that in order to save screen time for the ending etc.
My theater cheered had a section of college age girls who cheered every time she showed up on screen. Glad the our respective audiences were filled with our people.
On May 06 2019 13:10 DucK- wrote: Just watched it. 6/10 in my opinion. Probably harsh cuz I expected much more. I thought as a standalone it was a poor movie. But as the finale of this mcu phase, it did a decent job in tying everything up.
I usually don't like time travels, but I can accept the logic discussed by banner and ancient one. However, I absolutely hate how cap stayed in the past and showed up as an old man in the present. There's no logic behind this because the cap that went back in the past is not the same cap that is old.
I like thanos change in view from eliminating half to eliminating everything in the universe. I thought it made sense because he became aware of how his plan didn't exactly turn out the way he envisioned.
I like what they did with thor. He loss his parents, loss his brother, loss his best asgard pals, loss his city, loss half of his people and fucked up cuz he didn't go for the head. He was rightfully depressed so I enjoyed his character.
I disliked what they did with captain marvel. She felt way too op and for all the hype she brought, she was criminally underused. I don't really know her skillset, it appears to be just headfirst flying through everybody and it feels so boring. Basically you could remove her and the only minor problem you have is how to save Tony from space. Where was she the whole time when they were attempting time traveling? Was she informed of the plan? How did she know to fly back?
I dislike the pacing of this movie. There were too little fights. First 2/3 was just story telling. The only real fight is the big one, where there were too many characters fighting each other for screentime. For a 3 hour movie, i was expecting much much more. Infinity War was brilliant. Skirmishes after skirmishes to ensure every superhero was featured adequately.
Also how the hell does cap shoot lightning? Wielding and summoning the mjolnir is fine, but isn't the hammer just a tool for thor to better control his lightning, rather than being a lightning blaster itself. And why in the midst of all the desparate fighting would cap even think about attempting to wield the mjolnir.
Was Hawkeye going full vigilante really necessary? Does it make sense that potts joins the last fight in the suit? Why is there so little hulk smash. This version of hulk is a literal joke. Is Wanda really that strong in mcu at that point in time?
Then there's the inconsistency with touching the stones. The power stone alone contained so much power that the collector's servant got fried touching it. GotG struggled to contain the power. After so many years of study, how did the avengers know how to make a stone out of the aether. How did they get the stone out of tessaract. How did they know how to design a gauntlet equal to the infinity gauntlet that's capable of holding all 6 stones using earthly materials. Remember the gauntlet had to be forged by some dwarf blacksmith guy using a burning star and yet Tony could build one in his lab.
Basically I feel empty with this movie not because its over but because it did not turn out the way I liked. Actually after typing this whole chunk, I'll revise my rating to 4/10.
Odin enchanted the hammer in Thor 1. "Whoever wields this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor"
Also Cap went back, stayed in the "other" timeline until Carter died then traveled back to the "original" timeline to meet with Falcon & Bucky. So in the "other" timeline, there would always be a Cap that's an Avenger and saving the world, and a Cap that's Carter's husband - so two Caps ...
On another note, I watched Endgame twice. The first time I felt it was a bit slow because of various reasons: Infinity War was full of actions (so I sort of excepted Endgame to start with the same pace), i was so eager to get to the end (i wanted to know what was going to happen, i knew a big fight would come and i just couldn't wait for it) .etc so the story telling bit felt a bit dragging on and at some points i wished this was a blu ray so i could fast forward. It was a 7/10 for me.
The second time though, I did get to enjoy the movie much more, going through the emotion of each remaining members (that hologram conference call with Nat was pretty heartbreaking - i love ScarJo much more now, but for a different reason LOL), the scene between Thor and his mum was pretty good, so was Tony and his dad, and I noticed many more (not so) subtle Easter eggs that they put in. It revised my score to 9/10 afterwards.
I'm sure when the blu-ray extended version gets released with extended fight / reunion scene, it'll be a much more complete movie.
On May 15 2019 06:49 Jockmcplop wrote: Wait there were people cheering in your theater? wtf I'll take the shy, reserved UK crowd any day.
Having said that there was one girl near me who I swear cried for the entire 3 hours and she couldn't control her volume at all
Everyone was laughing uncontrollably in mine even at the worst of the worst jokes which i didn't find funny. I didn't laugh out loud until Thor and Fortnite jokes came into it, before that it was forced humor i felt.
I have only one question - why did the ship of Thanos not give a volley of fire on the clusters of the wakanda army? It is the same with tanks and other weapons of mass destruction, which should be in the elite, technologically advanced army of Thanos. Sorry bad english
On May 29 2019 21:03 Dmitry_M wrote: I have only one question - why did the ship of Thanos not give a volley of fire on the clusters of the wakanda army? It is the same with tanks and other weapons of mass destruction, which should be in the elite, technologically advanced army of Thanos. Sorry bad english
It did, didn't it? I vaguely remember everyone scrambling for cover before deus ex machina, I mean Captain Marvel, came along