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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On May 11 2019 02:02 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2019 00:37 Pandemona wrote:
One thing i would mention, Thanos is the strongest being in the Marvel universe to note, he is the strongest being that is without the gauntlet. So that is why it needed everyone, but in the comic book lore that still wasn't enough, the only reason they were able to win is because of Adam Warlock and Nebula. Thanos after he kills everyone basically, shifts into an Astral Being in which he drops the gauntlet, whilst in Astral form, Adam Warlock shows up and basically talks Thanos into understanding why he fucked up after Thanos was screwed by the mistress of death (he only did all of this to try and get her love, which she rejected once he did it). Nebula picks up the gauntlet and undoes the snap after again being convinced by Adam Warlock to do this with some use of the Soul Gem that Adam possesses, from there he is told to relinquish the Gauntlet by the Astral council and Thanos just goes on living his life as a farmer, which is what in fairness the movie alluded to here with Nebula "knowing where he is".
So, yeah remember Thanos is the strongest fighting the MCU and was only ever beaten because he basically beat himself mentally after a huge rejection of love xD Didn't read the comics but this is what I would love to happen. Something similar to the king in Chimera Ant arc in HxH but + Show Spoiler +- Thanos simply fist-fights everyone and tries to win the easy way with the gloves
- Stupid grand battle. Useless henchmen/flying monsters against superpowers & super weapons. Of course nobody dies against those cannon fodders
- Captain Marvel is ridiculously OP and could just wipe the battlefield in mere seconds and/or solve lots of stuff easily.
- Predictable plot, unnecessarily long
+ Really like how it starts with Thanos being a villager and talking philosophy but yeah...
+ Dudeism is strong with Thor
6/10
Shazam is actually more enjoyable for me in term of superheroes flicks.
+ Show Spoiler +LOL dudeism love that word and 100% agree haha
I agree with the rest of your points too.
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On May 06 2019 13:10 DucK- wrote:
Just watched it. 6/10 in my opinion. Probably harsh cuz I expected much more. I thought as a standalone it was a poor movie. But as the finale of this mcu phase, it did a decent job in tying everything up.
I usually don't like time travels, but I can accept the logic discussed by banner and ancient one. However, I absolutely hate how cap stayed in the past and showed up as an old man in the present. There's no logic behind this because the cap that went back in the past is not the same cap that is old.
I like thanos change in view from eliminating half to eliminating everything in the universe. I thought it made sense because he became aware of how his plan didn't exactly turn out the way he envisioned.
I like what they did with thor. He loss his parents, loss his brother, loss his best asgard pals, loss his city, loss half of his people and fucked up cuz he didn't go for the head. He was rightfully depressed so I enjoyed his character.
I disliked what they did with captain marvel. She felt way too op and for all the hype she brought, she was criminally underused. I don't really know her skillset, it appears to be just headfirst flying through everybody and it feels so boring. Basically you could remove her and the only minor problem you have is how to save Tony from space. Where was she the whole time when they were attempting time traveling? Was she informed of the plan? How did she know to fly back?
I dislike the pacing of this movie. There were too little fights. First 2/3 was just story telling. The only real fight is the big one, where there were too many characters fighting each other for screentime. For a 3 hour movie, i was expecting much much more. Infinity War was brilliant. Skirmishes after skirmishes to ensure every superhero was featured adequately.
Also how the hell does cap shoot lightning? Wielding and summoning the mjolnir is fine, but isn't the hammer just a tool for thor to better control his lightning, rather than being a lightning blaster itself. And why in the midst of all the desparate fighting would cap even think about attempting to wield the mjolnir.
Was Hawkeye going full vigilante really necessary? Does it make sense that potts joins the last fight in the suit? Why is there so little hulk smash. This version of hulk is a literal joke. Is Wanda really that strong in mcu at that point in time?
Then there's the inconsistency with touching the stones. The power stone alone contained so much power that the collector's servant got fried touching it. GotG struggled to contain the power. After so many years of study, how did the avengers know how to make a stone out of the aether. How did they get the stone out of tessaract. How did they know how to design a gauntlet equal to the infinity gauntlet that's capable of holding all 6 stones using earthly materials. Remember the gauntlet had to be forged by some dwarf blacksmith guy using a burning star and yet Tony could build one in his lab.
Basically I feel empty with this movie not because its over but because it did not turn out the way I liked. Actually after typing this whole chunk, I'll revise my rating to 4/10.
Odin enchanted the hammer in Thor 1. "Whoever wields this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor"
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When Thanos used the power stone to wreck Carol Danvers I was like yea who's your daddy now bitch!
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On May 11 2019 02:02 Arceus wrote:
- Stupid grand battle. Useless henchmen/flying monsters against superpowers & super weapons. Of course nobody dies against those cannon fodders
This is one of my complaints too. I mean, even Ultron killed Quicksilver, but Thanos, with all his soldiers and super battleship, can't even kill one hero in what is supposed to be the hardest battle for avengers to win? The way that final battle played out just felt too contrived.
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On May 10 2019 15:33 Silvanel wrote:I watched it yesterday and i didnt like it. Mediocre movie at best. Few points on my side (spoilers inside): + Show Spoiler +
1.Absolute lack of surprise. Infinity War had nice surprise at the end, in this movie everything was expected and obvious since it even started.
2.Captain Marvel as Deus ex Machina solution (those are always bad)
3.The underdog lost. Because lets face it. Thanos was not only outnumbered (henchmens do not count) but also faced with multiple foes with superior abilities - flying, laser shooting, indestructible armour. Its like bunch of humans poking a dog with electric sticks, disgusting.
4.If a movie tries to be serious it shouldnt be stupid, sttupid and sad does not go along very well.
5.The one thing they got right is that time travel does not make sense and is never done right in movies or books. But thats a reason to not touch it at all!!! And they make it a major plot device.
For me it is 6/10 at best. Coming from general fantasy-science fiction enthusiast not comic/movie fan.
I mostly agree with your post, especially on the time travel part. I never cared for time travel as a plot device. It just always gets murky, especially when you get into alternate/parallel universes. Why should I care about one parallel universe more than another? If the Avengers bring everyone back in their universe but in a parallel universe everyone stays dead, do we still count that as a win?
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On May 12 2019 23:23 don_kyuhote wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2019 02:02 Arceus wrote:
- Stupid grand battle. Useless henchmen/flying monsters against superpowers & super weapons. Of course nobody dies against those cannon fodders
This is one of my complaints too. I mean, even Ultron killed Quicksilver, but Thanos, with all his soldiers and super battleship, can't even kill one hero in what is supposed to be the hardest battle for avengers to win? The way that final battle played out just felt too contrived.
And yet Thanos did more damage to the world and heroes than Ultron did. Ant man missed five years of his daughters life. Hawkeye is 5 years older and filled with a whole bunch of survivors guilt and now has to learn to live with his family again. Sometimes there are consequences that are more interesting than someone dying.
Also, two heroes did get taken out as a consequence of Thanos’s actions.
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On May 14 2019 22:53 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2019 23:23 don_kyuhote wrote:On May 11 2019 02:02 Arceus wrote:
- Stupid grand battle. Useless henchmen/flying monsters against superpowers & super weapons. Of course nobody dies against those cannon fodders
This is one of my complaints too. I mean, even Ultron killed Quicksilver, but Thanos, with all his soldiers and super battleship, can't even kill one hero in what is supposed to be the hardest battle for avengers to win? The way that final battle played out just felt too contrived. And yet Thanos did more damage to the world and heroes than Ultron did. Ant man missed five years of his daughters life. Hawkeye is 5 years older and filled with a whole bunch of survivors guilt and now has to learn to live with his family again. Sometimes there are consequences that are more interesting than someone dying. Also, two heroes did get taken out as a consequence of Thanos’s actions.
3 if you count Gamora. She's replaced with another version of herself, sure, but the "original" one, with all her memories and self being, is dead.
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On May 14 2019 22:53 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2019 23:23 don_kyuhote wrote:On May 11 2019 02:02 Arceus wrote:
- Stupid grand battle. Useless henchmen/flying monsters against superpowers & super weapons. Of course nobody dies against those cannon fodders
This is one of my complaints too. I mean, even Ultron killed Quicksilver, but Thanos, with all his soldiers and super battleship, can't even kill one hero in what is supposed to be the hardest battle for avengers to win? The way that final battle played out just felt too contrived. And yet Thanos did more damage to the world and heroes than Ultron did. Ant man missed five years of his daughters life. Hawkeye is 5 years older and filled with a whole bunch of survivors guilt and now has to learn to live with his family again. Sometimes there are consequences that are more interesting than someone dying. Also, two heroes did get taken out as a consequence of Thanos’s actions.
A whole bunch of people surely suicided because their loved ones vanished. I don't think those came back but I don't think that's explained either?
Half of the population is now 5 years older and went to some dark places (depression etc) while the other half just came back "one second later".
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On May 15 2019 01:00 Salteador Neo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2019 22:53 Plansix wrote:On May 12 2019 23:23 don_kyuhote wrote:On May 11 2019 02:02 Arceus wrote:
- Stupid grand battle. Useless henchmen/flying monsters against superpowers & super weapons. Of course nobody dies against those cannon fodders
This is one of my complaints too. I mean, even Ultron killed Quicksilver, but Thanos, with all his soldiers and super battleship, can't even kill one hero in what is supposed to be the hardest battle for avengers to win? The way that final battle played out just felt too contrived. And yet Thanos did more damage to the world and heroes than Ultron did. Ant man missed five years of his daughters life. Hawkeye is 5 years older and filled with a whole bunch of survivors guilt and now has to learn to live with his family again. Sometimes there are consequences that are more interesting than someone dying. Also, two heroes did get taken out as a consequence of Thanos’s actions. A whole bunch of people surely suicided because their loved ones vanished. I don't think those came back but I don't think that's explained either? Half of the population is now 5 years older and went to some dark places (depression etc) while the other half just came back "one second later".
Of course. Just watch the Left Overs and assume the world was that depressing, but then everyone came back and is super confused. Endgame has the most consequences of any Marvel movie and goes out of its way to make sure those consequences cannot be undone.
On May 15 2019 00:59 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2019 22:53 Plansix wrote:On May 12 2019 23:23 don_kyuhote wrote:On May 11 2019 02:02 Arceus wrote:
- Stupid grand battle. Useless henchmen/flying monsters against superpowers & super weapons. Of course nobody dies against those cannon fodders
This is one of my complaints too. I mean, even Ultron killed Quicksilver, but Thanos, with all his soldiers and super battleship, can't even kill one hero in what is supposed to be the hardest battle for avengers to win? The way that final battle played out just felt too contrived. And yet Thanos did more damage to the world and heroes than Ultron did. Ant man missed five years of his daughters life. Hawkeye is 5 years older and filled with a whole bunch of survivors guilt and now has to learn to live with his family again. Sometimes there are consequences that are more interesting than someone dying. Also, two heroes did get taken out as a consequence of Thanos’s actions. 3 if you count Gamora. She's replaced with another version of herself, sure, but the "original" one, with all her memories and self being, is dead.
I could say 4 if we include Captain America doing the whole time travel thing. But that just means he can show up for any movie down the line that they want him to guest star in.
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On May 14 2019 22:53 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2019 23:23 don_kyuhote wrote:On May 11 2019 02:02 Arceus wrote:
- Stupid grand battle. Useless henchmen/flying monsters against superpowers & super weapons. Of course nobody dies against those cannon fodders
This is one of my complaints too. I mean, even Ultron killed Quicksilver, but Thanos, with all his soldiers and super battleship, can't even kill one hero in what is supposed to be the hardest battle for avengers to win? The way that final battle played out just felt too contrived. And yet Thanos did more damage to the world and heroes than Ultron did. Ant man missed five years of his daughters life. Hawkeye is 5 years older and filled with a whole bunch of survivors guilt and now has to learn to live with his family again. Sometimes there are consequences that are more interesting than someone dying. Also, two heroes did get taken out as a consequence of Thanos’s actions.
I was talking specifically within the context of the final battles of each movie. If you want to consider what mark they left outside of those final battles, that's fine, but I expected more from the battle scene itself in Endgame, specifically from team Thanos.
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On May 15 2019 01:50 don_kyuhote wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2019 22:53 Plansix wrote:On May 12 2019 23:23 don_kyuhote wrote:On May 11 2019 02:02 Arceus wrote:
- Stupid grand battle. Useless henchmen/flying monsters against superpowers & super weapons. Of course nobody dies against those cannon fodders
This is one of my complaints too. I mean, even Ultron killed Quicksilver, but Thanos, with all his soldiers and super battleship, can't even kill one hero in what is supposed to be the hardest battle for avengers to win? The way that final battle played out just felt too contrived. And yet Thanos did more damage to the world and heroes than Ultron did. Ant man missed five years of his daughters life. Hawkeye is 5 years older and filled with a whole bunch of survivors guilt and now has to learn to live with his family again. Sometimes there are consequences that are more interesting than someone dying. Also, two heroes did get taken out as a consequence of Thanos’s actions. I was talking specifically within the context of the final battles of each movie. If you want to consider what mark they left outside of those final battles, that's fine, but I expected more from the battle scene itself in Endgame, specifically from team Thanos.
Despite all their amazing super powers, the heroes only manage to defeat one villain per movie. That also feels contrived, I feel they should be able to defeat more than one when the Avengers get together.
But for a less snarky answers, super heroes are pantheon of characters that partake in huge battles and events, but come out unharmed to live through more stories. The battle is just a set piece for the stage drama that are super hero stories.
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On May 11 2019 07:10 riotjune wrote:
When Thanos used the power stone to wreck Carol Danvers I was like yea who's your daddy now bitch!
My theater laughed/cheered when that happened. Oddly enough it felt as they were limited by time so they did that in order to save screen time for the ending etc.
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On May 15 2019 02:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2019 07:10 riotjune wrote:
When Thanos used the power stone to wreck Carol Danvers I was like yea who's your daddy now bitch! My theater laughed/cheered when that happened. Oddly enough it felt as they were limited by time so they did that in order to save screen time for the ending etc.
My theater cheered had a section of college age girls who cheered every time she showed up on screen. Glad the our respective audiences were filled with our people.
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Wait there were people cheering in your theater?
wtf
I'll take the shy, reserved UK crowd any day.
Having said that there was one girl near me who I swear cried for the entire 3 hours and she couldn't control her volume at all
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On May 15 2019 06:49 Jockmcplop wrote:
Wait there were people cheering in your theater?
wtf
I'll take the shy, reserved UK crowd any day.
Having said that there was one girl near me who I swear cried for the entire 3 hours and she couldn't control her volume at all
Yeah, it ruled. People cheered at the fun parts.
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On May 11 2019 05:35 Xarles wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2019 13:10 DucK- wrote:
Just watched it. 6/10 in my opinion. Probably harsh cuz I expected much more. I thought as a standalone it was a poor movie. But as the finale of this mcu phase, it did a decent job in tying everything up.
I usually don't like time travels, but I can accept the logic discussed by banner and ancient one. However, I absolutely hate how cap stayed in the past and showed up as an old man in the present. There's no logic behind this because the cap that went back in the past is not the same cap that is old.
I like thanos change in view from eliminating half to eliminating everything in the universe. I thought it made sense because he became aware of how his plan didn't exactly turn out the way he envisioned.
I like what they did with thor. He loss his parents, loss his brother, loss his best asgard pals, loss his city, loss half of his people and fucked up cuz he didn't go for the head. He was rightfully depressed so I enjoyed his character.
I disliked what they did with captain marvel. She felt way too op and for all the hype she brought, she was criminally underused. I don't really know her skillset, it appears to be just headfirst flying through everybody and it feels so boring. Basically you could remove her and the only minor problem you have is how to save Tony from space. Where was she the whole time when they were attempting time traveling? Was she informed of the plan? How did she know to fly back?
I dislike the pacing of this movie. There were too little fights. First 2/3 was just story telling. The only real fight is the big one, where there were too many characters fighting each other for screentime. For a 3 hour movie, i was expecting much much more. Infinity War was brilliant. Skirmishes after skirmishes to ensure every superhero was featured adequately.
Also how the hell does cap shoot lightning? Wielding and summoning the mjolnir is fine, but isn't the hammer just a tool for thor to better control his lightning, rather than being a lightning blaster itself. And why in the midst of all the desparate fighting would cap even think about attempting to wield the mjolnir.
Was Hawkeye going full vigilante really necessary? Does it make sense that potts joins the last fight in the suit? Why is there so little hulk smash. This version of hulk is a literal joke. Is Wanda really that strong in mcu at that point in time?
Then there's the inconsistency with touching the stones. The power stone alone contained so much power that the collector's servant got fried touching it. GotG struggled to contain the power. After so many years of study, how did the avengers know how to make a stone out of the aether. How did they get the stone out of tessaract. How did they know how to design a gauntlet equal to the infinity gauntlet that's capable of holding all 6 stones using earthly materials. Remember the gauntlet had to be forged by some dwarf blacksmith guy using a burning star and yet Tony could build one in his lab.
Basically I feel empty with this movie not because its over but because it did not turn out the way I liked. Actually after typing this whole chunk, I'll revise my rating to 4/10. Odin enchanted the hammer in Thor 1. "Whoever wields this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor"
Also Cap went back, stayed in the "other" timeline until Carter died then traveled back to the "original" timeline to meet with Falcon & Bucky. So in the "other" timeline, there would always be a Cap that's an Avenger and saving the world, and a Cap that's Carter's husband - so two Caps ...
On another note, I watched Endgame twice. The first time I felt it was a bit slow because of various reasons: Infinity War was full of actions (so I sort of excepted Endgame to start with the same pace), i was so eager to get to the end (i wanted to know what was going to happen, i knew a big fight would come and i just couldn't wait for it) .etc so the story telling bit felt a bit dragging on and at some points i wished this was a blu ray so i could fast forward. It was a 7/10 for me.
The second time though, I did get to enjoy the movie much more, going through the emotion of each remaining members (that hologram conference call with Nat was pretty heartbreaking - i love ScarJo much more now, but for a different reason LOL), the scene between Thor and his mum was pretty good, so was Tony and his dad, and I noticed many more (not so) subtle Easter eggs that they put in. It revised my score to 9/10 afterwards.
I'm sure when the blu-ray extended version gets released with extended fight / reunion scene, it'll be a much more complete movie.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On May 15 2019 06:49 Jockmcplop wrote:
Wait there were people cheering in your theater?
wtf
I'll take the shy, reserved UK crowd any day.
Having said that there was one girl near me who I swear cried for the entire 3 hours and she couldn't control her volume at all
Everyone was laughing uncontrollably in mine even at the worst of the worst jokes which i didn't find funny. I didn't laugh out loud until Thor and Fortnite jokes came into it, before that it was forced humor i felt.
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Russian Federation66 Posts
I have only one question - why did the ship of Thanos not give a volley of fire on the clusters of the wakanda army? It is the same with tanks and other weapons of mass destruction, which should be in the elite, technologically advanced army of Thanos. Sorry bad english
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On May 29 2019 21:03 Dmitry_M wrote:
I have only one question - why did the ship of Thanos not give a volley of fire on the clusters of the wakanda army? It is the same with tanks and other weapons of mass destruction, which should be in the elite, technologically advanced army of Thanos. Sorry bad english
It did, didn't it? I vaguely remember everyone scrambling for cover before deus ex machina, I mean Captain Marvel, came along
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