EPTIt fits that in timeline A, William is recently promoted at his office, but by timeline B, he's an established business leader.
By the way, for you Sunny fans, I can't get over that I'm cheering for Liam McPoyle:
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
It fits that in timeline A, William is recently promoted at his office, but by timeline B, he's an established business leader. By the way, for you Sunny fans, I can't get over that I'm cheering for Liam McPoyle: | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On November 03 2016 13:14 Yhamm wrote: here's what I think might be possible  -timeline A, with william, logan and dolores, happened ~30 years ago: different logo, the army is recruiting men in sweetwater instead of the sheriff we can see with Teddy, logan talking about one of the partner killed himself before they opened the park as if it was a recent event. In this timeline, we see the first time Dolores tried to help Arnold (in episode 5, Ford ask her if Arnold has been speaking to her _again_, and we see) to destroy the place. -timeline B, with the man in black, happening in the 'present'. Dolores is reviving what happened to her in timeline A but is alone (which could explain why we see her all the time with Bernard or Ford, it would be really hard to do if she was with william). This is in this timeline she remembers the rape of the MiB MiB would be either william or logan. in the last episode, logan talks about how the park is losing money, and in the same episode, MiB tells how he pretty much saved the park after Arnold's death. I'm sure I'm missing some stuff, and I'm not saying that's 100% sure, but I do think it's a possibility Ok look i think this would make narrative sense if it would be possible. There would actually be purpose to do the timeline stuff. I agree with Scarecrow though that it doesn't seem to make sense from what we have seen so far (maybe i missed some things though, i didn't watch every scene with 100% focus tbh) So yeah, narrative purpose would be there, but as far as i can tell it makes no sense from what we have seen so far. | ||
Yhamm
France7248 Posts
On November 03 2016 23:25 Scarecrow wrote: The MiB kills her old dad and the new dad says goodbye as she heads to town and meets william. She even has flashbacks of the MiB raping her, before she shoots a bandit in the barn and runs off towards William's campfire. This timeline stuff makes no sense, especially considering how long the MiB has been at the park. They are either pretty close or running parallel Dolores having flashback is in TL B, when she arrives at William's camp, it's her previous story in TL A There's the common belief that in episode 5, when we see her all alone with either people around her suddenly appearing (cemetery) or disappearing (in the train), Dolores is cutting off the reality when talking to Arnold and doesn't realize that there are people around her. But it could also mean that those are 2 different moment: she is all alone in TL B, going to the same places she went in TL A. It could explain why she is alone in the train without Lawrence since he was with the MiB. Now, being alone and out of her loop would be weird, but maybe Ford let her run to learn about what Arnold did to her exactly? I just don't want to dismiss this case for now | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On November 03 2016 23:42 Yhamm wrote: Dolores having flashback is in TL B, when she arrives at William's camp, it's her previous story in TL A So they had her new dad dead on the ground, a flashback to her old dad and a flashback to the MiB rape. The gun she used was also tied to another MiB flashback earlier in the episode. Then she shot the bandit, ran outside with the gun and rode away from the farm on a white horse? Then she arrived at the camp, with the same horse, same outfit and in a similar state of distress, in completely separate timelines but 3 minutes apart in the episode? If you're right the dolores that ran away in the mib timeline has just disappeared from the Westworld side of the plot entirely for the last 2 episodes. There's also been no discernible difference in the quality of the Dolores model throughout the show (they mentioned she has none of her original parts), and considering the upgrades and how they've all been becoming more realistic. It'd be incredibly shitty show-making to have her be so high quality with william, then be the same with him decades later as the mib. I'll change my ID to Yhammgod and quit the show if they're substantially different timelines. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/D45lgSa.jpg) When MiB first went to the park, the hosts were mechanical robots, and did not have to rely on blood/a circulatory system ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/DpUPrP0.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/UFi1zmT.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/zFMhVBQ.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ZhZKumV.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/JDLxeIG.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/yAkdnnU.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CA0voSv.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/zmmuw6A.jpg) These robots can be seen in the flashback ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1QmBPZR.jpg) A million perfect little pieces ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6Yp6XsU.jpg) No blood to be seen ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/H6r5CDP.jpg) The hosts of William/Logans timeline ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/w8CtF0B.jpg) Are clearly not robots from the flashback ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/BVU5kvt.jpg) Blood circulates through them, like Teddy ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/pVrVzSj.jpg) They are flesh and bone, just like us. | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
I would still consider it mind blowing if the two timelines is how this ends, because I think the show is moving towards a major confrontation between Dolores and William vs Teddy and MiB. William could represent a new breed of fan rather than a younger version of the MiB, which has also been thematic so far (albeit the show hasn't done much with it the last two episodes). | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6802 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 04 2016 02:56 karazax wrote: This thread shows some of the best evidence against MIB and William being the same person: + Show Spoiler + When MiB first went to the park, the hosts were mechanical robots, and did not have to rely on blood/a circulatory system These robots can be seen in the flashback A million perfect little pieces No blood to be seen The hosts of William/Logans timeline Are clearly not robots from the flashback Blood circulates through them, like Teddy They are flesh and bone, just like us. Yeah, I had the same thought when I first heard about the multiple timelines theory. The explanation regarding the evolution of the robots doesn't preclude the theory, but it certainly makes the theory much harder to reconcile. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Interesting video, check it out | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
William = young MiB can be interesting, ie 2 different timelines in the show. But then i remember the security said "this gentleman gets whatever he wants" when MiB killed all lawrence's family = he is in the same employees timeline as william is in. And that we are constantly seeing hopkins keep talking to the robot-like host (ie the old hosts) reminds us that the hosts we see with William/MiB are not like those old robotic hosts ie they are in the same/similar timeline. | ||
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Hexe
United States332 Posts
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imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
We know that the MiB is responsible for saving the park 30 years ago, which coincides with the supposed death of Arnold. We also know that Dolores was Arnold's last resort, so to speak, of destroying the park. We assume that the park was failing due to money issues, but its never explicitly mentioned that money was the only problem the park had. But how does the MiB know about the maze in the first place? The timeline theory clearly explains this; William figures this out from Dolores. I think the key to figuring out who the MiB is by firstly figuring out how the MiB knows about the maze. I believe that the MiB is either 1) a key investor who is obsessed with Arnold's maze, finding it, and destroying it before it ruins his investment , or 2) the MiB is Arnold himself, but his memory has been altered (perhaps reprogrammed maybe?) in order to prevent him from destroying the park and one of the only memories he has is of this Maze, except he doesn't know what/where is the maze. | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
On November 05 2016 12:17 Hexe wrote: I don't like the different timelines and intense focus on mystery. I would like it more if it was more straightforward. You could definitely argue that doing this is usually a gimmick to cover the fact that no individual story line or timeline is compelling enough to carry the story. It's also kinda overdone with a lot of series doing it. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On November 04 2016 13:25 The_Red_Viper wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kSGkGKwp9U Interesting video, check it out He produces a lot of fun content in general, this was no exception, very cool. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On November 06 2016 16:38 Liquid`Jinro wrote: He produces a lot of fun content in general, this was no exception, very cool. Oh yeah i agree. Makes you appreciate the little details more / notice it on your own. Hopkins is a master of his art, very cool to watch it. His acting is one of the reasons why Ford as a characer works so well in Westworld. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
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Engelmann
26 Posts
On November 07 2016 12:25 Yoav wrote: I'm fascinated that Maev has ended up more as the robot protagonist so far than Dolores, despite Dolores' top billing and primary spot in the pilot. Bernard as the human protagonist is expected, of course. Interesting episode, though the lack of in-park content slowed it down a bit. Trust me, it's just their token nod to having a strong black lead. Kind of like a filler apart from the main plot. It'll be back to Dolores sooner than you think because it's just not sustainable in terms of TV viewership if it continues to be about Maev. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On November 07 2016 12:48 Engelmann wrote: Trust me, it's just their token nod to having a strong black lead. Kind of like a filler apart from the main plot. It'll be back to Dolores sooner than you think because it's just not sustainable in terms of TV viewership if it continues to be about Maev. They're had six episodes, and Maev was the central character in at least 2, arguably three of them. That's well beyond tokenism. What's wrong with Maev being the lead? I think it would be kinda awesome if Maev and Bernard end up as the leads, from a diversity perspective. | ||
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Just_a_Moth
Canada1964 Posts
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