EPT[TV] HBO's Westworld - Page 11
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malcram
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Engelmann
26 Posts
On November 01 2016 21:54 d00p wrote: So.. I'm sorry this is lazy post but IS IT ANY GOOD? Can anyone tell at this point? A few episodes are out now. Should I watch it if I like GoT and all kinds of scifi space operas but find westerns kinda meh? The cast is pretty insane at least. And there are boobz? It's not good. It just tries to be edgy with gore and blood, which is supposed to be "so shocking" and "oh my god is this real life". Around episode three I started scrolling the play bar on my VLC media player to skip over boring as F dialogue. By episode four I watched it in about twenty minutes. Not going to bother downloading episode five. | ||
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bdonballer
United States408 Posts
On November 02 2016 14:46 Engelmann wrote: It's not good. It just tries to be edgy with gore and blood, which is supposed to be "so shocking" and "oh my god is this real life". Around episode three I started scrolling the play bar on my VLC media player to skip over boring as F dialogue. By episode four I watched it in about twenty minutes. Not going to bother downloading episode five. Idk I really enjoy it. I suggest watching first couple episodes and decide for yourself. It is getting more and more trippy every week and you don't know what will happen next. There will always be haters I guess. | ||
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
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d00p
711 Posts
On November 02 2016 16:24 bdonballer wrote: Idk I really enjoy it. I suggest watching first couple episodes and decide for yourself. It is getting more and more trippy every week and you don't know what will happen next. There will always be haters I guess. Yeah I guess I'm just gonna go for it and see for myself. I don't particularly enjoy gore though. But this is life-like robo-gore. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
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herMan
Japan2055 Posts
I love reading about this show because there are so many tiny details that make me appreciate it more. Right now it has set the bar really high on expectations for the last few episodes and I think it will decide if lots of people continue to watch it... The whole thing has been set up without hurry and now we're just watching for the keg to explode. The show has proven it's smart and people are going crazy analyzing every piece of it so it better cash in later plot-wise. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On November 03 2016 00:11 Scarecrow wrote: Feeling more and more like it's VR with robots plugged into it or something, the way Dolores gets instantly pulled out, and models are uploaded straight back into service (Lawrence). They seriously need to explain how it works at some point. Well, I thought that was the same Lawrence bot too but the prevailing theory seems to be that MiB storyline and Dolores' storyline are separated by some time, and we are jumping back and forth chronologically. I kind of disliked the last episode btw, in general the more time spent in the park and the less time spent with the programmers/executives the less I enjoy it... So that's a possible number on how far apart the storylines potentially are then... Would make sense, as I thought a couple of times that the park we see when following Logan/William seems a bit more populated than during the MiB scenes. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On November 03 2016 00:44 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Well, I thought that was the same Lawrence bot too but the prevailing theory seems to be that MiB storyline and Dolores' storyline are separated by some time, and we are jumping back and forth chronologically. I kind of disliked the last episode btw, in general the more time spent in the park and the less time spent with the programmers/executives the less I enjoy it... So that's a possible number on how far apart the storylines potentially are then... Would make sense, as I thought a couple of times that the park we see when following Logan/William seems a bit more populated than during the MiB scenes. The MIB storyline takes place at the same time, when he meets Ford he tells him that "the man he would ask" (about the moral of the story) died 35 years ago. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On November 03 2016 00:59 The_Red_Viper wrote: The MIB storyline takes place at the same time, when he meets Ford he tells him that "the man he would ask" (about the moral of the story) died 35 years ago. Hm interesting, I forgot about that. So what does that mean for Lawrence? While watching I thought it meant there could be multiples of a model, then went on here and was reminded of dual timeline theories. | ||
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Swisslink
2954 Posts
On November 03 2016 02:37 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Hm interesting, I forgot about that. So what does that mean for Lawrence? While watching I thought it meant there could be multiples of a model, then went on here and was reminded of dual timeline theories. It means that the William/Logan story plays before the Man in Black Story. The Man in Black arrived in the park in the present, William/Logan however in the past. Which is, imo, pretty much proven by the logo (MiB plot has a different Westworld Logo than the William Plot) and the Lawrence-plot. (Remember that the Dolores-Questionings cannot possibly be chronological, because she has been with William the entire time. So the scene, where she was asked about the date she had spoke to Arnold can not be in the same timeframe as the William/Logan plot) This would make sense, tbh. The question remains how far apart the two timelines actually are. We know for sure that it cannot be too far apart -> The Control Room (incl. the workers) looks the same when discussing William/Logan as when discussing the Man in Black. There could still be a few months or maybe a couple of years in between - but most definitely not more. -> Dolores remembers the man in Black right before she kills someone and runs to William. (we know that the MiB has been to the park on a regular basis for 30 years, therefore it is entirely possible that Dolores gets raped by the MiB somewhere further in the past, then meets William somewhat closer to the present but still in the past and the story surrounding MiB is the actual present) | ||
disciple
9070 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On November 03 2016 00:11 Scarecrow wrote: Feeling more and more like it's VR with robots plugged into it or something, the way Dolores gets instantly pulled out, and models are uploaded straight back into service (Lawrence). They seriously need to explain how it works at some point. Yeah the bots' "dreams" being literally "dreams" instead of reality was my first thought as well. Basically there's one Dolores bot, but she's in different VR worlds at the same time. | ||
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parkufarku
882 Posts
On November 03 2016 03:40 disciple wrote: I don't understand why choice and free will must always be expressed in the AI resolving to violence. The last couple of episodes really echo the movie I, Robot in which the sentient and self-aware robot killed its creator. While this was not necessarily an act of deliberate harm, it is the expression of an action against set protocols. As with Asimovs 3 laws, Westworld makes the guest safety protocol pretty clear - hosts cannot harm real people. So if the resolution of the Arnold mystery really is Dolores, or another host, killing him to prove self awareness and free will, I will really feel that this is the only way writers can go about this - violence. We already saw Dolores resolve to violence as a personal choice in the last episode, but I hope there's more to it in the end. Good point. I guess, another support for this method is that, robots are enslaved by humans, and know that humans will not freely let them go free or they realize the dangers that humans may present upon realisation of that fact. Or something along those lines. In most other films, this happens because AI and robots aim to create 'efficient' lifeforms and work methods of their world, and humans are inefficient and drain resources like parasites, so they are able to achieve optimum efficiency by ridding the humans. | ||
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disciple
9070 Posts
On November 03 2016 04:49 parkufarku wrote: Good point. I guess, another support for this method is that, robots are enslaved by humans, and know that humans will not freely let them go free or they realize the dangers that humans may present upon realisation of that fact. Or something along those lines. In most other films, this happens because AI and robots aim to create 'efficient' lifeforms and work methods of their world, and humans are inefficient and drain resources like parasites, so they are able to achieve optimum efficiency by ridding the humans. I get the slave/master aspect, but in the I,Robot instance, the homicide wasn't an act of harm and I feel Westworld might be doing the exact same thing with Dolores. I feel thats the reason why the arc of Maeve is taking place. Maeve is going toward the contrast and more predictable revenge driven violence, opposed to what the role of Dolores is probably going to be. Maeve will embody all fears with AI becoming sentient, the slave/master rebellion while Dolores will likely find herself in the same situation with Arnold as the robot from I,Robot. I was initially hoping for more of a blade runner story where the hosts will simply realize the mundane and monotone nature of their existence and try to escape from it, as opposed to being like we the superior being or whatever, kill all masters. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On November 03 2016 03:29 Swisslink wrote: It means that the William/Logan story plays before the Man in Black Story. The Man in Black arrived in the park in the present, William/Logan however in the past. Which is, imo, pretty much proven by the logo (MiB plot has a different Westworld Logo than the William Plot) and the Lawrence-plot. (Remember that the Dolores-Questionings cannot possibly be chronological, because she has been with William the entire time. So the scene, where she was asked about the date she had spoke to Arnold can not be in the same timeframe as the William/Logan plot) This would make sense, tbh. The question remains how far apart the two timelines actually are. We know for sure that it cannot be too far apart -> The Control Room (incl. the workers) looks the same when discussing William/Logan as when discussing the Man in Black. There could still be a few months or maybe a couple of years in between - but most definitely not more. -> Dolores remembers the man in Black right before she kills someone and runs to William. (we know that the MiB has been to the park on a regular basis for 30 years, therefore it is entirely possible that Dolores gets raped by the MiB somewhere further in the past, then meets William somewhat closer to the present but still in the past and the story surrounding MiB is the actual present) Ok let's pretend this is true, what is the purpose of the different timelines in this case? | ||
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Swisslink
2954 Posts
On November 03 2016 05:55 The_Red_Viper wrote: Ok let's pretend this is true, what is the purpose of the different timelines in this case? Some event in Timeline A affects Timeline B in a major way without directly interfering with the characters in Timeline B, I'd assume. Could of course all be wrong, but the different loops, the different logos (Westworld logo + bottle the one host drops early on) and the fact that Lawrence gets killed in one scene and then lives in another one at the other end of the park, just tell me that these events can't play out simultaneously. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On November 03 2016 05:49 disciple wrote: I get the slave/master aspect, but in the I,Robot instance, the homicide wasn't an act of harm and I feel Westworld might be doing the exact same thing with Dolores. I feel thats the reason why the arc of Maeve is taking place. Maeve is going toward the contrast and more predictable revenge driven violence, opposed to what the role of Dolores is probably going to be. Maeve will embody all fears with AI becoming sentient, the slave/master rebellion while Dolores will likely find herself in the same situation with Arnold as the robot from I,Robot. I actually read this twice in confusion before I remembered the shitty movie version that I'm pretty sure I saw on an airplane and wished I hadn't... In the actual I, Robot, the robots never harm humans, do eventually take over, and it's a good thing for everyone involved. People are actually quite pleased with robot rule. + Show Spoiler + For several books anyway+ Show Spoiler + until+ Show Spoiler + No seriously I'm not spoiling that. Go read the entire Isaac Asimov opus and get back to me. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On November 03 2016 06:47 Swisslink wrote: Some event in Timeline A affects Timeline B in a major way without directly interfering with the characters in Timeline B, I'd assume. Could of course all be wrong, but the different loops, the different logos (Westworld logo + bottle the one host drops early on) and the fact that Lawrence gets killed in one scene and then lives in another one at the other end of the park, just tell me that these events can't play out simultaneously. Look this would make more sense to me if the two timelines would actually be far apart (for the purpose, as you already said it makes no sense plot wise as far as we know) but we can rule that out pretty much. That's weird to me, if for example we would see the timeline which lead to arnold's death etc then there would be a narrative purpose behind all of that. If the timelines are only apart a few years at best what's the point? About Lawrence: Well the bots die a lot and then get fixed, i don't remember the chronology of the scenes but i would guess that could be it? Atm i think both plot lines happen at about the same time, it's not 100% in chronological order but there isn't more to it than that (like in GoT as well) | ||
Yhamm
France7248 Posts
 -timeline A, with william, logan and dolores, happened ~30 years ago: different logo, the army is recruiting men in sweetwater instead of the sheriff we can see with Teddy, logan talking about one of the partner killed himself before they opened the park as if it was a recent event. In this timeline, we see the first time Dolores tried to help Arnold (in episode 5, Ford ask her if Arnold has been speaking to her _again_, and we see) to destroy the place. -timeline B, with the man in black, happening in the 'present'. Dolores is reviving what happened to her in timeline A but is alone (which could explain why we see her all the time with Bernard or Ford, it would be really hard to do if she was with william). This is in this timeline she remembers the rape of the MiB MiB would be either william or logan. in the last episode, logan talks about how the park is losing money, and in the same episode, MiB tells how he pretty much saved the park after Arnold's death. I'm sure I'm missing some stuff, and I'm not saying that's 100% sure, but I do think it's a possibility | ||
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