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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
and the bernard as host theory seems plausible | ||
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
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Sterlymobile
United States1009 Posts
I can kind of get behind the whole Bernard is a host thing. I thought that the person whispering to the hosts was Arnold but maybe it could be Ford. For the Maze, I originally thought it was put there to test the hosts of a possible AI testing or something. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On October 28 2016 19:38 OtherWorld wrote: Bernard seems to be so much more evolved than other hosts though, and yet never has any bugs. There is a strong suggestion in the show that they can make the hosts more lifelike than they do, if they aren't worried about the consciousness issue. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
And I disagree with Bernard being a host, othwerwise why would u put a skype call scene with his wife in ep4. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5739 Posts
On October 28 2016 20:23 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Ford argued that it is much more complicated process to make hosts more real, and that Arnold died due to this? And I disagree with Bernard being a host, othwerwise why would u put a skype call scene with his wife in ep4. While I don't buy this theory, the Skype conversation is not inconsistent with it, because working away from his family would be part of his backstory, and obviously he'd be unaware of the fact that he is not a real human. | ||
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Sterlymobile
United States1009 Posts
Edit: also I wonder if William's friend switching out his gun will do anything, since people were talking about gun specs | ||
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IgnE
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On October 29 2016 05:02 IgnE wrote: the chronology of the show isn't clear either. scenes are shown back-to-back but that doesn't mean they are chronological. it's really unclear when bernard is even interviewing dolores or doing a lot of the debugging relative to events within westworld Yeah. Chronology has to be at least a little off because they're clearly not whisking her away in the middle of the night from White-Hat's camp to do diagnostics. That and the part where we've seen multiple cycles in the last 3 episodes, but White-Hat is clearly in a single cycle (and MiB is in a particularly long one right now.) Edit: The girlfriend also noticed that Bernard is always dressed distinctively when doing the "dream" interviews, even if he hasn't been in preceding scenes. I can't vouch for that, but she's pretty sure they are literally Dolores' dreams. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On October 29 2016 04:52 Sterlymobile wrote: Another possible clue could be Dolores repeating that the pain she felt was apart of her. Just like what Bernard said to his wife regarding his kid. Seems like something Ford would say. Edit: also I wonder if William's friend switching out his gun will do anything, since people were talking about gun specs Ive been wondering about the gun as well. I think it might just be a video game loot reference. If host and ai guns differ to the point of danger it would just be way too big of a risk. On October 29 2016 09:13 Yoav wrote: Yeah. Chronology has to be at least a little off because they're clearly not whisking her away in the middle of the night from White-Hat's camp to do diagnostics. That and the part where we've seen multiple cycles in the last 3 episodes, but White-Hat is clearly in a single cycle (and MiB is in a particularly long one right now.) Edit: The girlfriend also noticed that Bernard is always dressed distinctively when doing the "dream" interviews, even if he hasn't been in preceding scenes. I can't vouch for that, but she's pretty sure they are literally Dolores' dreams. How about memories manifesting as dreams? Bernard always asks her if she knows where she is and the reply is "In a dream", which fits if it's a memory of a past event as well. Another option could be that it is indeed a dream representation of Bernard interfacing with her digitally rather than in person? Not entirely clear how capable of doing that they are but it seems weird to have to everything in person. On October 28 2016 02:13 IgnE wrote: yeah the maze seems to be a place with no rules given the dialogue in the last episode and the bernard as host theory seems plausible What is the point of a place with no rules if it's only for the AI bots and not the guests? I still feel like it's some kind of consciousness test related to Arnold tho that's a bit of personal bias because I like the idea  I just feel like MiB is chasing this place that he expects to be one thing, then when he gets there it will be something completely different and just spit him out. Think Guy Pierce's character in Prometheus when he finally meets the engineer. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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Every episode is about an hour and has content for 20-30 minutes at best, this feels like LOST all over again (without the well developed characters). In this case i think they at least know where they wanna go with it, but so does everyone else i guess? (hosts with consciousness, some sort of revolt, etc) Not saying it is bad (i enjoy it on some levels, very much so tbh), but i am quite disappointed because i thought it would be much more | ||
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herMan
Japan2055 Posts
On October 29 2016 20:55 The_Red_Viper wrote: The more i watch it the more i think the writers don't have enough meat to do more than one season (and even one season is already stretching it) Every episode is about an hour and has content for 20-30 minutes at best, this feels like LOST all over again (without the well developed characters). In this case i think they at least know where they wanna go with it, but so does everyone else i guess? (hosts withs consciousness, some sort of revolt, etc) Not saying it is bad (in enjoy it on some levels, very much so tbh), but i am quite disappointed because i thought it would be much more I get what you're saying. I had the same qualms about Mr. Robot because it drags on for some episodes before picking up its pace again. I'm okay with these setup episodes but I'm really anxious to see something big happening soon to switch gears in terms of pace. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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In Westworld it's mostly mystery atm, a little bit of "character development" in the hosts and some pretty uninteresting "quests". I simply don't feel that the story would need ten hours to tell, and if you wanna do it in ten you really need to step up the inspection of the themes like memory, consciousness, etc. I know that sounds very negative, but at the end of the day i still watch every week and think it's a good show. It's simply not the masterpiece i expected tbh | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On October 29 2016 19:38 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Ive been wondering about the gun as well. I think it might just be a video game loot reference. If host and ai guns differ to the point of danger it would just be way too big of a risk. How about memories manifesting as dreams? Bernard always asks her if she knows where she is and the reply is "In a dream", which fits if it's a memory of a past event as well. Another option could be that it is indeed a dream representation of Bernard interfacing with her digitally rather than in person? Not entirely clear how capable of doing that they are but it seems weird to have to everything in person. What is the point of a place with no rules if it's only for the AI bots and not the guests? I still feel like it's some kind of consciousness test related to Arnold tho that's a bit of personal bias because I like the idea I just feel like MiB is chasing this place that he expects to be one thing, then when he gets there it will be something completely different and just spit him out. Think Guy Pierce's character in Prometheus when he finally meets the engineer. I mean I think it's a place of no rules for bots or guests. I think it's a place where humans can be killed. That actually dovetails with your theory. If it's a consciousness test, the very site where hosts become human, it's a place where organic and synthetic humans are put on equal footing. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
Sort of reverse psychology motivating people to get there even more. | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
I feel that the plausibility of the world is slipping as the stories get more intricate though. I get that a character like Dolores has a loop where she just goes out and then comes back home if nothing happens, so she doesn't need daily maintenance. But do these crazy maze-related stories just go unresolved if nobody interacts with them, as is almost always the case? | ||
Yhamm
France7248 Posts
i'm really amazed how huge this world is (and that most of it is only filled with robots doing their loop) | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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