EPT[TV] HBO's Westworld - Page 13
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
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Yhamm
France7248 Posts
And with how the very first generation of robots built by Arnold are acting, it's impossible to tell them apart of the new generation from the outside | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Also in the new episode that the two employees are that stupid isn't really top noth storytelling. But hey it gives us new conflicts which is important i guess. Other than that the new episode was quite good, focusing on less characters was a good decision | ||
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sertas
Sweden889 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 08 2016 03:34 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Bit too much stupidity in this episode to justify various plot developments. .. Yeah, I don't get why those two clowns who repair the robots have as much as access as they do. Doesn't make any sense. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On November 08 2016 02:50 sertas wrote: what theory? That william's storyline is in the past and he probably is the MIB. While the show clearly edited some scenes so it wouldn't mae sense it's probably just that to have a bigger wtf moment when it actually is revealed. Personally i think that is cheating and bad storytelling. That it has a narrative purpose is fine but don't do it like westworld apparently did... And yeah Maeve's storyline was written and developed quite poorly in the last episode, i thought the writers are better than that :/ | ||
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On November 08 2016 06:05 xDaunt wrote: Yeah, I don't get why those two clowns who repair the robots have as much as access as they do. Doesn't make any sense. Should have just kept the shy Asian guy, alone. He could have potentially hacked (or stumbled upon) the robot controls and then got himself too deep. From what we've seen with the bird he seemed interested in tinkering with the programming and he obviously can't really handle Maeve so it would have been plausible. But it makes little sense that the other guy would crumble under Maeve demands just because she threatened him with a scalpel she later dropped. At least they justified it by saying that she has high intuition and could read he was a pussy. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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Engelmann
26 Posts
On November 08 2016 06:05 xDaunt wrote: Yeah, I don't get why those two clowns who repair the robots have as much as access as they do. Doesn't make any sense. It makes sense if the target demographic is your average US TV viewer with below average IQ or Asian nerds who can relate to a shy subservient indecisive Asian guy who can't take control of a situation and gets ordered around like a little bitch by employers and dominant woman. User was warned for this post | ||
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Engelmann
26 Posts
On November 08 2016 08:43 Diavlo wrote: Should have just kept the shy Asian guy, alone. He could have potentially hacked (or stumbled upon) the robot controls and then got himself too deep. From what we've seen with the bird he seemed interested in tinkering with the programming and he obviously can't really handle Maeve so it would have been plausible. But it makes little sense that the other guy would crumble under Maeve demands just because she threatened him with a scalpel she later dropped. At least they justified it by saying that she has high intuition and could read he was a pussy. Come on, both of them are obviously computer nerds who can't get any. Many nerds in the same situation would react the exact same way, despite how tough they try to come across on boards like 4chan /b/. | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
But if there's a serious problem with Westworld, it is that the organization apparently has incredibly poor discipline from top to bottom, as people seem quite free to disregard safety rules and have high access with few checks to have profound effects. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
This also might link nicely to the MiB, who's apparently sick if I understand correctly. If he learns that immortality is in play somewhere in the middle of "the maze", that could justify his quest. | ||
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nukem1
345 Posts
On November 08 2016 23:53 ZenithM wrote: I think the end goal might be that Arnold has discovered conscience uploading and is in effect immortal inside a host (or even "somewhere" else in a disembodied form). This blurs the boundaries between humans and androids, which is obviously the first conclusion every viewer will foresee, but adds in something a bit more ambitious and dramatic. This also might link nicely to the MiB, who's apparently sick if I understand correctly. If he learns that immortality is in play somewhere in the middle of "the maze", that could justify his quest. In ep. 5, when Ford asks Dolores about Arnold, she says that the last thing Arnold told her was that she was going to help him destroy the place. That would probably mean that if his consciousness was inside a host or somewhere in the system/programming he would also, most likely, be destroyed. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On November 08 2016 08:43 Diavlo wrote: Should have just kept the shy Asian guy, alone. He could have potentially hacked (or stumbled upon) the robot controls and then got himself too deep. From what we've seen with the bird he seemed interested in tinkering with the programming and he obviously can't really handle Maeve so it would have been plausible. But it makes little sense that the other guy would crumble under Maeve demands just because she threatened him with a scalpel she later dropped. At least they justified it by saying that she has high intuition and could read he was a pussy. I think this mighr just be me projecting things but I feel as if her storyline is a reference to the weak human link in the chain of any ai containment strategy. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_box On November 08 2016 15:20 palexhur wrote: Maev story in this chapter was just horrible, a big disappointment for me that kind of stupid writing, I am losing interest fast in this series. Conflicting episode for me. Less time spent in park, good. Everyone behaving like children.... bad | ||
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herMan
Japan2055 Posts
Historians have told that back in ancient times people would think of their own thoughts to be the words of God. This was later disproved and people realized the voices were their own. Maybe "Arnold" talking to them isn't really him but the guests' own consciousness and they're just mistaking the origin. | ||
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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
On November 08 2016 08:43 Diavlo wrote: Should have just kept the shy Asian guy, alone. He could have potentially hacked (or stumbled upon) the robot controls and then got himself too deep. From what we've seen with the bird he seemed interested in tinkering with the programming and he obviously can't really handle Maeve so it would have been plausible. But it makes little sense that the other guy would crumble under Maeve demands just because she threatened him with a scalpel she later dropped. At least they justified it by saying that she has high intuition and could read he was a pussy. Maeve didn't only threaten him with the scalpel Felix's colleague Sylvester discovers the secret about Maeve, and nearly turns her in, but instead gets suckered into a partnership with the host. "I can help you or I can gut you like a trout," she tells him, making the choice quite clear. Instead, Maeve cuts Sylvester in on a deal to help him develop his own brothel for Westworld employees. What does she want in exchange? Oh, nothing too over the top… | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On November 09 2016 01:05 nukem1 wrote: In ep. 5, when Ford asks Dolores about Arnold, she says that the last thing Arnold told her was that she was going to help him destroy the place. That would probably mean that if his consciousness was inside a host or somewhere in the system/programming he would also, most likely, be destroyed. Maybe he meant "destroy the place" as in "destroy this prison". So freeing the androids by freeing the humans of their bodies too? :D. At this point it's so vague that almost anything with Arnold could happen. But I think no matter what, it will be grand and affect humanity in some way. On November 09 2016 02:14 herMan wrote: Had a thought regarding the voice of Arnold. Historians have told that back in ancient times people would think of their own thoughts to be the words of God. This was later disproved and people realized the voices were their own. Maybe "Arnold" talking to them isn't really him but the guests' own consciousness and they're just mistaking the origin. Wait, this is exactly refered to in the show right? In episode 3, about at 60% in, Ford explains to Bernard that Arnold's own initial theory was based on the bicameral mind (which is exactly what you're describing). He adds that while this fails to explain the human mind (as you said, it was debunked), this is useful to bootstrap AIs. So they introduce the inner voices for ease of programming the hosts. | ||
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herMan
Japan2055 Posts
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