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Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
March 19 2014 22:27 GMT
#16941
That was Lee vs Gaara all over again lol xD
Revolutionist fan
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
March 19 2014 23:16 GMT
#16942
On March 20 2014 07:17 Slayer91 wrote:
beyond hokage level
also its a pretty strong ninja using it, why should everyone who can use it automatically get to the same level with it


you're right, the original translation was beyond hokage level
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-90-10/naruto/chapter-85.html still a bit strange that he's stronger than 5x Kage vs an opponent that just got a tailed beasts powerup though but then I again I'm all aboard the Gai Hypetrain.

Your second point makes no sense though, someone activating 8 gates, it's a given that he's a strong ninja. Lee works his ass off and can only open 6 gates, it's not like you can just use it if you want to. I also think that if both of them opened the same number of gates they'd probably be about equally strong.
Raneth
Profile Joined December 2009
England527 Posts
March 19 2014 23:32 GMT
#16943
On March 20 2014 08:16 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 07:17 Slayer91 wrote:
beyond hokage level
also its a pretty strong ninja using it, why should everyone who can use it automatically get to the same level with it


Your second point makes no sense though, someone activating 8 gates, it's a given that he's a strong ninja. Lee works his ass off and can only open 6 gates, it's not like you can just use it if you want to. I also think that if both of them opened the same number of gates they'd probably be about equally strong.


Was literally about to say this
tom: "dont you mean TWO g keys???" kwark: "nah, i'll probably just press it twice"
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
March 20 2014 00:59 GMT
#16944
On March 20 2014 07:27 Salteador Neo wrote:
That was Lee vs Gaara all over again lol xD

Gaara's presence in general tended to remind me of that, I love circular shit like that.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
March 20 2014 02:09 GMT
#16945
On March 20 2014 07:13 AsnSensation wrote:
Remember when 8 gates supposedly "took you to hokage level"? well all 5 kages got absolutely roflstomped by non sage madara and Gai is actually giving him a hard time.

MIGHT GUY BABY !

remember when in this chapter it was explained in more detail how much stronger you become?
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 20 2014 03:34 GMT
#16946
Pretty cool chapter. Glad to see that Gai is giving Madara a hard time. It does seem like the 8 gate is one hell of an OP technique but I guess needing 20+ years and such to even open it warrants that much power. It's too bad that it seems like Madara didn't suffer a ton of damage considering what he said about needing to avoiding 4 or 5 more hits otherwise it's trouble. I would've preferred if this current combo took out Madara or damaged him to a point where he can't recover as well then took it easy while Naruto and Sasuke finished him but I guess Kishi has other thoughts in mind lol.

On March 20 2014 08:16 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 07:17 Slayer91 wrote:
beyond hokage level
also its a pretty strong ninja using it, why should everyone who can use it automatically get to the same level with it


you're right, the original translation was beyond hokage level
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-90-10/naruto/chapter-85.html still a bit strange that he's stronger than 5x Kage vs an opponent that just got a tailed beasts powerup though but then I again I'm all aboard the Gai Hypetrain.

Your second point makes no sense though, someone activating 8 gates, it's a given that he's a strong ninja. Lee works his ass off and can only open 6 gates, it's not like you can just use it if you want to. I also think that if both of them opened the same number of gates they'd probably be about equally strong.

While I agree with your first point, I agree with Slayer91 for the second one. I think what he meant is that, yes, you have to train hard to even be able to open it but beyond that point, that's when it's power will differ because you have the 8 gate power+extra power from further training or something like that.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
March 20 2014 03:45 GMT
#16947
i dont think his 8 gate is done yet, we dont know how long it actually lasts he might be able to keep it up as long as hes fighting but the second he stops he keels over
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 20 2014 04:04 GMT
#16948
On March 20 2014 12:45 Forikorder wrote:
i dont think his 8 gate is done yet, we dont know how long it actually lasts he might be able to keep it up as long as hes fighting but the second he stops he keels over

I doubt he'll last for long tbh. I think he'll get a couple more hits in or something, render Madara a bit immobile for a short duration of time then pass away with Lee and co around as Madara recovers. At that point, Naruto will likely make his appearance with Obito, same with Sasuke and his co. Obito will also end up dying, Madara gets the 2nd eye and has to face both Naruto and Sasuke while everyone mourns Guy and Obito's death and hoping that this is the end of Madara in the upcoming fight. That's what I think will happen though the gourds that Madara spit out haven't made an appearance so I'm not sure where they fit in.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Fumanchu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Canada669 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-20 04:49:47
March 20 2014 04:48 GMT
#16949
I think anyone with even a little bit of training can OPEN the gates. It's just a matter of being able to withstand the intense pain that comes along with using it. It puts a ton of stress on the body. When Lee fought gaara his muscles ripped right before he opened the fifth gate and he still managed to get off his final technique. And when Gai fought Kisame, he was in an incredible amount of pain, yet kisame barely damaged him.

I always figured that any ninja worth a damn could open them, it just took an intense amount of training to withstand the pain in order to carry out the moves associated with each gate level. And if you could use ninjutsu, why bother with a technique that's going to leave you completely incapacitated after its use?
Easy doesnt fit into grownup life.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
March 20 2014 04:51 GMT
#16950
On March 20 2014 13:48 Fumanchu wrote:
I think anyone with even a little bit of training can OPEN the gates. It's just a matter of being able to withstand the intense pain that comes along with using it. It puts a ton of stress on the body. When Lee fought gaara his muscles ripped right before he opened the fifth gate and he still managed to get off his final technique. And when Gai fought Kisame, he was in an incredible amount of pain, yet kisame barely damaged him.

I always figured that any ninja worth a damn could open them, it just took an intense amount of training to withstand the pain in order to carry out the moves associated with each gate level. And if you could use ninjutsu, why bother with a technique that's going to leave you completely incapacitated after its use?

Lee can only open 6 and thats with all the tons of hard work he puts in so maybe like one or two gates at most if there not willing to commit
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3339 Posts
March 20 2014 05:38 GMT
#16951
On March 20 2014 04:36 Eshra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 03:02 flamewheel wrote:
NO GAI NO


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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
March 20 2014 05:40 GMT
#16952
I don't know why , but in Naruto only characters that i like die ... Asuma , Jiraya , Neji and now it looks like it's going downhill for Gai and Obito ...
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 20 2014 06:41 GMT
#16953
On March 20 2014 13:48 Fumanchu wrote:
I think anyone with even a little bit of training can OPEN the gates. It's just a matter of being able to withstand the intense pain that comes along with using it. It puts a ton of stress on the body. When Lee fought gaara his muscles ripped right before he opened the fifth gate and he still managed to get off his final technique. And when Gai fought Kisame, he was in an incredible amount of pain, yet kisame barely damaged him.

I always figured that any ninja worth a damn could open them, it just took an intense amount of training to withstand the pain in order to carry out the moves associated with each gate level. And if you could use ninjutsu, why bother with a technique that's going to leave you completely incapacitated after its use?

I dunno tbh. As mentioned, lee can only open 6 gates now and I reckon he's been training hardcore to be able to open all 8. Also, Gai told lee(or was it gai's father to gai) that it took 20 years to get to the level required and such. Maybe you can open several at best but doubt you'll get anywhere near Gai or Lee's level without making it your main focus and such.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
March 20 2014 06:57 GMT
#16954
On March 20 2014 15:41 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 13:48 Fumanchu wrote:
I think anyone with even a little bit of training can OPEN the gates. It's just a matter of being able to withstand the intense pain that comes along with using it. It puts a ton of stress on the body. When Lee fought gaara his muscles ripped right before he opened the fifth gate and he still managed to get off his final technique. And when Gai fought Kisame, he was in an incredible amount of pain, yet kisame barely damaged him.

I always figured that any ninja worth a damn could open them, it just took an intense amount of training to withstand the pain in order to carry out the moves associated with each gate level. And if you could use ninjutsu, why bother with a technique that's going to leave you completely incapacitated after its use?

I dunno tbh. As mentioned, lee can only open 6 gates now and I reckon he's been training hardcore to be able to open all 8. Also, Gai told lee(or was it gai's father to gai) that it took 20 years to get to the level required and such. Maybe you can open several at best but doubt you'll get anywhere near Gai or Lee's level without making it your main focus and such.


I agree, otherwise it would make sense for the top ninjas in the world (i.e. hokages) to open gates whenever they go all out.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-20 06:59:53
March 20 2014 06:59 GMT
#16955
On March 20 2014 15:57 GettingIt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 15:41 BigFan wrote:
On March 20 2014 13:48 Fumanchu wrote:
I think anyone with even a little bit of training can OPEN the gates. It's just a matter of being able to withstand the intense pain that comes along with using it. It puts a ton of stress on the body. When Lee fought gaara his muscles ripped right before he opened the fifth gate and he still managed to get off his final technique. And when Gai fought Kisame, he was in an incredible amount of pain, yet kisame barely damaged him.

I always figured that any ninja worth a damn could open them, it just took an intense amount of training to withstand the pain in order to carry out the moves associated with each gate level. And if you could use ninjutsu, why bother with a technique that's going to leave you completely incapacitated after its use?

I dunno tbh. As mentioned, lee can only open 6 gates now and I reckon he's been training hardcore to be able to open all 8. Also, Gai told lee(or was it gai's father to gai) that it took 20 years to get to the level required and such. Maybe you can open several at best but doubt you'll get anywhere near Gai or Lee's level without making it your main focus and such.


I agree, otherwise it would make sense for the top ninjas in the world (i.e. hokages) to open gates whenever they go all out.

ya, indeed. You can then just open a 6 or 7th gate to avoid death but also raise your power level through the roof and being able to use jutsu means that you're that much stronger.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
March 20 2014 08:47 GMT
#16956
The point was that Gai's father invented the technique. That took him 20 years.
I find it kind of obvious that it takes more time to discover something(when you don't even know if it's possible) then to just be taught the same technique by someone.
Like the difference between climbing a mountain(first to go there) and climbing a ladder(someone worked a lot to make it easy for you to go there).

Btw I liked that the pressure waves of Gai's attacks looked like elephant feet. Nice little touch.
It's been some time since I was this happy with Naruto as a manga :D
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17Sphynx17
Profile Joined September 2011
580 Posts
March 20 2014 09:04 GMT
#16957
Wait, did Dai really invent the technique?

I thought it was one of those "ancient techniques" or forbidden techniques that is also difficult to master?

Because Madara clearly knows what it is and we don't even know of anyone during his timeline to have used a technique of that nature.

Plus, if someone of Dai's caliber did develop it, how did he know the number of gates were only 8 and that it would lead to death? There must be a reference somewhere for it (although maybe destroyed and it became a passed down technique (almost like a bloodline technique/limit).

Also, was Gai really someone who isn't able to use ninjitsu? I only thought that was Dai and Lee's case? Gai for me was able to use ninjitsu but his focus is mainly on taijutsu as he wanted to inherit his "dad's will", but it by no means meant he was a dunce at ninjitsu. He wouldn't be a jounin if he was.

The technique also appears to be something that needs mastery of "one self" in terms of the physical and not reliant on "chakra molding" and efficiency. Hence the focus on physical training not only to build strength but as some pointed out, resistance to pain to "fight through" the release of the technique.

My two cents.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-20 09:14:05
March 20 2014 09:12 GMT
#16958
On March 20 2014 08:16 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 07:17 Slayer91 wrote:
beyond hokage level
also its a pretty strong ninja using it, why should everyone who can use it automatically get to the same level with it


you're right, the original translation was beyond hokage level
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-90-10/naruto/chapter-85.html still a bit strange that he's stronger than 5x Kage vs an opponent that just got a tailed beasts powerup though but then I again I'm all aboard the Gai Hypetrain.

Your second point makes no sense though, someone activating 8 gates, it's a given that he's a strong ninja. Lee works his ass off and can only open 6 gates, it's not like you can just use it if you want to. I also think that if both of them opened the same number of gates they'd probably be about equally strong.


Didn't Gai's father also die by opening all 8 gates? And he was just Genin, as far as I know.

On March 20 2014 18:04 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Wait, did Dai really invent the technique?

I thought it was one of those "ancient techniques" or forbidden techniques that is also difficult to master?

Because Madara clearly knows what it is and we don't even know of anyone during his timeline to have used a technique of that nature.

Plus, if someone of Dai's caliber did develop it, how did he know the number of gates were only 8 and that it would lead to death? There must be a reference somewhere for it (although maybe destroyed and it became a passed down technique (almost like a bloodline technique/limit).

Also, was Gai really someone who isn't able to use ninjitsu? I only thought that was Dai and Lee's case? Gai for me was able to use ninjitsu but his focus is mainly on taijutsu as he wanted to inherit his "dad's will", but it by no means meant he was a dunce at ninjitsu. He wouldn't be a jounin if he was.

The technique also appears to be something that needs mastery of "one self" in terms of the physical and not reliant on "chakra molding" and efficiency. Hence the focus on physical training not only to build strength but as some pointed out, resistance to pain to "fight through" the release of the technique.

My two cents.


Maybe the gates were already known before the technique, but nobody knew that they could be forced open?
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18772 Posts
March 20 2014 11:21 GMT
#16959
All i wish is that gai inflicts some permanent damage....

lee vs gaara was such a joke because lee would have destroyed anyone else at that time but of course he had to face gaara...
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
March 20 2014 11:29 GMT
#16960
At least I got the strong impression that Dai invented the technique in 20 years.
That 8 gates exist inside everyone is probably common knowledge though, considering that china and japan(not sure) had attempts at anatomy very early.
Accupuncture comes with knoweldge of energy lines or so for example, and that stuff is really old.
I think that the 8 gates are similar to that in the Narutoverse.

Quick accupuncture related google search later:
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But now that you ask, I'm not so sure anymore that Dai invented it. I would really prefer it that way though. Would make it all the more personal when he gave that technique to Gai.
"Here son, this is my 'Oh shit what do we do now' technique. I made it myself. You must make a rule though when to use it. My rule is to protect you."
That's how I understood it.
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