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Kale and Caulifa when they 1st went super were miles a head of Goku when he 1st went SSJ. SSJ is usually unlocked through emotion once you have the base amount of power to handle it. Kale and Caulifa more then had that already as their base forms were likely 10x that of the levels of the U6 sayians when they were first unlocking the transformations so it is just easier for them to progress through it.
The only time they stretched it imo was when Caulifa causally went SSJ2 soo soon after getting 1 but I guess that is supposed to be due to her already high innate power plus she seems to be like goku and very good at figuring things out.
Think of it this way. Gohan had to train for that year in the time chamber because his base form was really low. Like Gohan's base when he 1st went ssj and ssj2 wasn't strong at all. These U6 Sayians basically are just coming into the tournament with very large base form powers which makes doing the transformations easier.
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On October 29 2017 16:17 Slaughter wrote:
Kale and Caulifa when they 1st went super were miles a head of Goku when he 1st went SSJ. SSJ is usually unlocked through emotion once you have the base amount of power to handle it. Kale and Caulifa more then had that already as their base forms were likely 10x that of the levels of the U6 sayians when they were first unlocking the transformations so it is just easier for them to progress through it.
The only time they stretched it imo was when Caulifa causally went SSJ2 soo soon after getting 1 but I guess that is supposed to be due to her already high innate power plus she seems to be like goku and very good at figuring things out.
Think of it this way. Gohan had to train for that year in the time chamber because his base form was really low. Like Gohan's base when he 1st went ssj and ssj2 wasn't strong at all. These U6 Sayians basically are just coming into the tournament with very large base form powers which makes doing the transformations easier.
Them having enough power to breeze through transformations is a huge stretch, arguably they are younger than goku and im pretty sure younger than gohan but lets just say they are around the same age as gohan.
Regardless of gokus prodigious abilties hes had to work really hard to be where he was at the end of dbz. Seeing how the universes run in somewhat parallel time.
Gohan
Born (half breed so higher than normal sayian potential)
Gets the shit beaten out of him by raditz and recovers
Starts super hard training at one years old with piciolo
Fights nappa vegeta gets the shit beaten out of him
Goes to namek gets potential unlocked by guru
fighting freeza forces
Train for one year under the hypobolic time chamber (which had crazy harsh conditions)
Gain ssj and potential to go ssj2
Fight with cell the cuminlation of earths (pretty much the universe after freezas death) greatest fighters
Unlocks ssj2 vs cell in a world ending situation
Lack of training and falling off
Trains up for the buu tournament
Gets power unlocked again via mystic gohan
Fight buu the biggest evil in the universe
Slack off
Train for the tournament of power
So basically caulifa (not counting kale she gets the legendary super sayian excuse) has overcome and trained more than gohan including being able to overcme the halfbreed powerup, guru power up, elder kai mystic power up and training with the greatest fighters in the universe.
Caulifa was introulduced as a leader of a bunch of bandits
How is her base form is strong to pass/onpar the base form of one of the highest potential beings under super specfic situatioms that contributed to his power
P.s watch the gohan mystic fight with ssj goku...
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On October 29 2017 14:54 LegalLord wrote:
Looked more like Kale unlocked a new, more controlled SSG/UltimateGohan form to me. Did I miss a fusion?
You can clearly see the Potara earring when her face is shown. But I suspect it's allowed under the rule of cool.
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She didn't overcome Mystic Gohan. Mystic is stronger than SSJ3. Gohan held his own again super buu while Goku could just about manage kid buu.
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On October 29 2017 17:00 Shock710 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2017 16:17 Slaughter wrote:
Kale and Caulifa when they 1st went super were miles a head of Goku when he 1st went SSJ. SSJ is usually unlocked through emotion once you have the base amount of power to handle it. Kale and Caulifa more then had that already as their base forms were likely 10x that of the levels of the U6 sayians when they were first unlocking the transformations so it is just easier for them to progress through it.
The only time they stretched it imo was when Caulifa causally went SSJ2 soo soon after getting 1 but I guess that is supposed to be due to her already high innate power plus she seems to be like goku and very good at figuring things out.
Think of it this way. Gohan had to train for that year in the time chamber because his base form was really low. Like Gohan's base when he 1st went ssj and ssj2 wasn't strong at all. These U6 Sayians basically are just coming into the tournament with very large base form powers which makes doing the transformations easier. Them having enough power to breeze through transformations is a huge stretch, arguably they are younger than goku and im pretty sure younger than gohan but lets just say they are around the same age as gohan. Regardless of gokus prodigious abilties hes had to work really hard to be where he was at the end of dbz. Seeing how the universes run in somewhat parallel time. Gohan Born (half breed so higher than normal sayian potential) Gets the shit beaten out of him by raditz and recovers Starts super hard training at one years old with piciolo Fights nappa vegeta gets the shit beaten out of him Goes to namek gets potential unlocked by guru fighting freeza forces Train for one year under the hypobolic time chamber (which had crazy harsh conditions) Gain ssj and potential to go ssj2 Fight with cell the cuminlation of earths (pretty much the universe after freezas death) greatest fighters Unlocks ssj2 vs cell in a world ending situation Lack of training and falling off Trains up for the buu tournament Gets power unlocked again via mystic gohan Fight buu the biggest evil in the universe Slack off Train for the tournament of power So basically caulifa (not counting kale she gets the legendary super sayian excuse) has overcome and trained more than gohan including being able to overcme the halfbreed powerup, guru power up, elder kai mystic power up and training with the greatest fighters in the universe. Caulifa was introulduced as a leader of a bunch of bandits How is her base form is strong to pass/onpar the base form of one of the highest potential beings under super specfic situatioms that contributed to his power P.s watch the gohan mystic fight with ssj goku...
I am talking about Gohan's power at the point he attained SSJ.....pretty sure Caulifa would shit stomp Gohan at the point in time he attained his transformation. Her starting point is just so much higher. Yes even after all his power ups she clearly is more powerful then preteen Gohan when he was trying to go SSJ the first time. She is a lot older then he was when he did it. His POTENTIAL has nothing to do with his base power level the first time he went SSJ.
We aren't talking about her SSJ power level (and was stated above even if she gets SSJ3 she won't be stronger then ultimate gohan in the buu saga) We are talking about her having a much higher base power at the point she started to learn how to go SSJ vs Gohan's, and hers was a lot higher which would make it easier.
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On October 29 2017 17:21 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2017 17:00 Shock710 wrote:On October 29 2017 16:17 Slaughter wrote:
Kale and Caulifa when they 1st went super were miles a head of Goku when he 1st went SSJ. SSJ is usually unlocked through emotion once you have the base amount of power to handle it. Kale and Caulifa more then had that already as their base forms were likely 10x that of the levels of the U6 sayians when they were first unlocking the transformations so it is just easier for them to progress through it.
The only time they stretched it imo was when Caulifa causally went SSJ2 soo soon after getting 1 but I guess that is supposed to be due to her already high innate power plus she seems to be like goku and very good at figuring things out.
Think of it this way. Gohan had to train for that year in the time chamber because his base form was really low. Like Gohan's base when he 1st went ssj and ssj2 wasn't strong at all. These U6 Sayians basically are just coming into the tournament with very large base form powers which makes doing the transformations easier. Them having enough power to breeze through transformations is a huge stretch, arguably they are younger than goku and im pretty sure younger than gohan but lets just say they are around the same age as gohan. Regardless of gokus prodigious abilties hes had to work really hard to be where he was at the end of dbz. Seeing how the universes run in somewhat parallel time. Gohan Born (half breed so higher than normal sayian potential) Gets the shit beaten out of him by raditz and recovers Starts super hard training at one years old with piciolo Fights nappa vegeta gets the shit beaten out of him Goes to namek gets potential unlocked by guru fighting freeza forces Train for one year under the hypobolic time chamber (which had crazy harsh conditions) Gain ssj and potential to go ssj2 Fight with cell the cuminlation of earths (pretty much the universe after freezas death) greatest fighters Unlocks ssj2 vs cell in a world ending situation Lack of training and falling off Trains up for the buu tournament Gets power unlocked again via mystic gohan Fight buu the biggest evil in the universe Slack off Train for the tournament of power So basically caulifa (not counting kale she gets the legendary super sayian excuse) has overcome and trained more than gohan including being able to overcme the halfbreed powerup, guru power up, elder kai mystic power up and training with the greatest fighters in the universe. Caulifa was introulduced as a leader of a bunch of bandits How is her base form is strong to pass/onpar the base form of one of the highest potential beings under super specfic situatioms that contributed to his power P.s watch the gohan mystic fight with ssj goku... I am talking about Gohan's power at the point he attained SSJ.....pretty sure Caulifa would shit stomp Gohan at the point in time he attained his transformation. Her starting point is just so much higher. Yes even after all his power ups she clearly is more powerful then preteen Gohan when he was trying to go SSJ the first time. She is a lot older then he was when he did it. His POTENTIAL has nothing to do with his base power level the first time he went SSJ.
The comparison of when gohan got his ssj vs when caulifa doesnt matter, both of them currently are pretty much at the point of being able to fight ssj2 goku (with his current super strong base form) so both gohan and caulifa have ended up in the same spot power level wise but gohan had to go through all that shit before reaching this point meaning she must have some bullshit power level to be on the same level as him.
Her having this much power in base form is stupid, how did she reach this point? Currently we dont know, but for it to make sense she had to go through some similar situation of fighting in world/universe ending battles. Which from what we've seen doesnt add up.
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On October 29 2017 17:28 Shock710 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2017 17:21 Slaughter wrote:On October 29 2017 17:00 Shock710 wrote:On October 29 2017 16:17 Slaughter wrote:
Kale and Caulifa when they 1st went super were miles a head of Goku when he 1st went SSJ. SSJ is usually unlocked through emotion once you have the base amount of power to handle it. Kale and Caulifa more then had that already as their base forms were likely 10x that of the levels of the U6 sayians when they were first unlocking the transformations so it is just easier for them to progress through it.
The only time they stretched it imo was when Caulifa causally went SSJ2 soo soon after getting 1 but I guess that is supposed to be due to her already high innate power plus she seems to be like goku and very good at figuring things out.
Think of it this way. Gohan had to train for that year in the time chamber because his base form was really low. Like Gohan's base when he 1st went ssj and ssj2 wasn't strong at all. These U6 Sayians basically are just coming into the tournament with very large base form powers which makes doing the transformations easier. Them having enough power to breeze through transformations is a huge stretch, arguably they are younger than goku and im pretty sure younger than gohan but lets just say they are around the same age as gohan. Regardless of gokus prodigious abilties hes had to work really hard to be where he was at the end of dbz. Seeing how the universes run in somewhat parallel time. Gohan Born (half breed so higher than normal sayian potential) Gets the shit beaten out of him by raditz and recovers Starts super hard training at one years old with piciolo Fights nappa vegeta gets the shit beaten out of him Goes to namek gets potential unlocked by guru fighting freeza forces Train for one year under the hypobolic time chamber (which had crazy harsh conditions) Gain ssj and potential to go ssj2 Fight with cell the cuminlation of earths (pretty much the universe after freezas death) greatest fighters Unlocks ssj2 vs cell in a world ending situation Lack of training and falling off Trains up for the buu tournament Gets power unlocked again via mystic gohan Fight buu the biggest evil in the universe Slack off Train for the tournament of power So basically caulifa (not counting kale she gets the legendary super sayian excuse) has overcome and trained more than gohan including being able to overcme the halfbreed powerup, guru power up, elder kai mystic power up and training with the greatest fighters in the universe. Caulifa was introulduced as a leader of a bunch of bandits How is her base form is strong to pass/onpar the base form of one of the highest potential beings under super specfic situatioms that contributed to his power P.s watch the gohan mystic fight with ssj goku... I am talking about Gohan's power at the point he attained SSJ.....pretty sure Caulifa would shit stomp Gohan at the point in time he attained his transformation. Her starting point is just so much higher. Yes even after all his power ups she clearly is more powerful then preteen Gohan when he was trying to go SSJ the first time. She is a lot older then he was when he did it. His POTENTIAL has nothing to do with his base power level the first time he went SSJ. The comparison of when gohan got his ssj vs when caulifa doesnt matter, both of them currently are pretty much at the point of being able to fight ssj2 goku (with his current super strong base form) so both gohan and caulifa have ended up in the same spot power level wise but gohan had to go through all that shit before reaching this point meaning she must have some bullshit power level to be on the same level as him.
Ultimate Mystic Gohan would wipe the floor with Caulifa. Not sure why you think they are even, Gohan was more powerful then her back in the Buu saga. Who knows where they will put him atm (probably will be decided by story convenience as to how much of his power he was able to recover).
My argument about comparing the two was to explain why she is having an easier time going SSJ and SSJ2 because her power was much higher when she 1st tried to transform.
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On October 29 2017 17:31 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2017 17:28 Shock710 wrote:On October 29 2017 17:21 Slaughter wrote:On October 29 2017 17:00 Shock710 wrote:On October 29 2017 16:17 Slaughter wrote:
Kale and Caulifa when they 1st went super were miles a head of Goku when he 1st went SSJ. SSJ is usually unlocked through emotion once you have the base amount of power to handle it. Kale and Caulifa more then had that already as their base forms were likely 10x that of the levels of the U6 sayians when they were first unlocking the transformations so it is just easier for them to progress through it.
The only time they stretched it imo was when Caulifa causally went SSJ2 soo soon after getting 1 but I guess that is supposed to be due to her already high innate power plus she seems to be like goku and very good at figuring things out.
Think of it this way. Gohan had to train for that year in the time chamber because his base form was really low. Like Gohan's base when he 1st went ssj and ssj2 wasn't strong at all. These U6 Sayians basically are just coming into the tournament with very large base form powers which makes doing the transformations easier. Them having enough power to breeze through transformations is a huge stretch, arguably they are younger than goku and im pretty sure younger than gohan but lets just say they are around the same age as gohan. Regardless of gokus prodigious abilties hes had to work really hard to be where he was at the end of dbz. Seeing how the universes run in somewhat parallel time. Gohan Born (half breed so higher than normal sayian potential) Gets the shit beaten out of him by raditz and recovers Starts super hard training at one years old with piciolo Fights nappa vegeta gets the shit beaten out of him Goes to namek gets potential unlocked by guru fighting freeza forces Train for one year under the hypobolic time chamber (which had crazy harsh conditions) Gain ssj and potential to go ssj2 Fight with cell the cuminlation of earths (pretty much the universe after freezas death) greatest fighters Unlocks ssj2 vs cell in a world ending situation Lack of training and falling off Trains up for the buu tournament Gets power unlocked again via mystic gohan Fight buu the biggest evil in the universe Slack off Train for the tournament of power So basically caulifa (not counting kale she gets the legendary super sayian excuse) has overcome and trained more than gohan including being able to overcme the halfbreed powerup, guru power up, elder kai mystic power up and training with the greatest fighters in the universe. Caulifa was introulduced as a leader of a bunch of bandits How is her base form is strong to pass/onpar the base form of one of the highest potential beings under super specfic situatioms that contributed to his power P.s watch the gohan mystic fight with ssj goku... I am talking about Gohan's power at the point he attained SSJ.....pretty sure Caulifa would shit stomp Gohan at the point in time he attained his transformation. Her starting point is just so much higher. Yes even after all his power ups she clearly is more powerful then preteen Gohan when he was trying to go SSJ the first time. She is a lot older then he was when he did it. His POTENTIAL has nothing to do with his base power level the first time he went SSJ. The comparison of when gohan got his ssj vs when caulifa doesnt matter, both of them currently are pretty much at the point of being able to fight ssj2 goku (with his current super strong base form) so both gohan and caulifa have ended up in the same spot power level wise but gohan had to go through all that shit before reaching this point meaning she must have some bullshit power level to be on the same level as him. Ultimate Mystic Gohan would wipe the floor with Caulifa. Not sure why you think they are even, Gohan was more powerful then her back in the Buu saga. Who knows where they will put him atm (probably will be decided by story convenience as to how much of his power he was able to recover). My argument about comparing the two was to explain why she is having an easier time going SSJ and SSJ2 because her power was much higher when she 1st tried to transform.
And my argument is that she shouldnt have enough power to so easily transform from ssj to ssj2, her protrayed potential is way higher than ssj2 and the dialogue is leading to a possible ssj3 transformation.
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I don't see why she shouldn't either. She is a side character from another universe so we haven't seen her life. It isn't a stretch that U6 has Sayians with high potential (it would be weird imo if there weren't). Gohan already went past SSJ3 in power and Vegeta went way beyond SSJ3 despite neither of them getting SSJ3 transformation.
The 3 U6 Sayians are still behind Gohan Goku and Vegeta in power, they are just catching up fast in transformations because their base forms were higher when they were first exposed to and attempted to go SSJ.
Honestly they could have just avoided this by giving the U6 Sayains SSJ transformations coming in, but they wanted to have bonding and mentorship type relationships through teaching of SSJ.
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well, that was a boring episode.
+ Show Spoiler +At least we get most likely a fusion between Cali and Kale
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Maybe I'm stupid but shouldn't there be more parallels between other universes?
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The U6 Sayians are so magical OP, because they want to give us these boring and filler episodes of the two girls fighting U7 Sayians, the people trying to explain this sh... are overthinking.
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Relatively lacklustre Goku-centric episode with a view of selling more U6 toys. Really what we should've had is a Vegeta episode. I wanna see him smack down Toppo pretty hard, it's about time he got relevant airtime again.
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Isn't goku base form extremely powerful now since he absorbed the god ki?
Or is that gone already
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He held his won against SSj2 Caulifla, even though he was tired. I think he would probably hold his own at SSj vs Berserk Kale as well. The fusion thing aside, Caulifla has potential but as everyone else has said, powerscaling is such bullshit.
Should have just given us Vegeta vs Toppo and the conclusion of Gohan/Piccolo vs U6 Namekians. That would have been much better. Waiting for Gohan to go mystic and slap Ribrianne off the stage any time now. Jiren will rest until Kale/Caulifla fusion and he'll wake up to watch. Goku will see that Zen-Chan doesn't care about the fusion and get Vegeta to go Gogeta vs Jiren.
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On October 29 2017 20:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
Maybe I'm stupid but shouldn't there be more parallels between other universes?
There is a lot between 6 and 7 but they really haven't shown enough of the others to see how the rest of the pairings are.
As for the U6 Sayians, they should have just given them SSJ2 from the start so they could have avoided the "wtf how they get SSJ 1 and 2 so fast".
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Man I really hate those Sayan of the 6th universe. I found those power up so stretched... It's everything I dislike in DBS, SSJ seems to mean nothing.
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Maybe Freezer will own em the same way he owned Cabbage.
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On October 29 2017 23:45 ETisME wrote:
Isn't goku base form extremely powerful now since he absorbed the god ki?
Or is that gone already
From what I can tell that's pretty much retconned especially since God is its own transformation now.
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