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On August 18 2013 14:18 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Bulbasaur was my favorite starter, really. Actually in the first three generations, my favorite starters were all grass types.
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On August 18 2013 11:45 Shock710 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 11:07 VayneAuthority wrote:
I dont know why you would want charizard, there aren't any good fire pokemon in red/blue version. It's one of, if not the weakest, types in first gen " I dont know why you would want charizard", cause it was a dragon, a fire dragon and we were like 8 lol
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On August 18 2013 13:28 JSH wrote:While I really really like gen 1, it is a broken game with silly mechanics 1 xacc + higher speed makes ohko moves always hit (pinnacle mechanic in speedrunning however) you can't attack when you wakeup from sleep same with wrap (super frustrating in speedruns) special attack and special defense rolled into 1 makes special moves way too strong Hyper Beam kill means no recharge! (I always found this one fun though hahaha~) Random stat reduction/boost gives other effects (Kinesis reduces their accuracy by one stage AND increases their speed by one stage for no apparent reason) not to mention Stupid AIamong others make this game really exploitable I've been playing the other pokemon games and enjoying them as well I think the newer ds games look very nice Although pokemon became more about friendship instead about battling your pokemon to the death to become greatest trainer of them all (hue) I do have to give it the nostalgia factor that I like it so much, and is in fact why I started to speed run yellow :3 Huge changes came along with Gen3 and onwards that I at first didn't like cause it was different (personality types for one) but I realize it was a nice addition when I accepted it. Inclusion of weather and reinstated night/day (gen2 and gen4+) is great touch as well And the split between physical and special damage on all moves was a huge change that made many pokemon much better
Also how retardly good psychic pokemon were. Me and my friends decided to run through blue again for the nostalgia. My 6/7 year old self didn't even know what special did but running through it again I could see how unbalanced the game was. I went through most of the game 1 shotting literally everything with a Kadabra, except for other good psychic pokemon, until I got bored and decided to use some different pokemon.
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On August 17 2013 18:32 skyR wrote:
Who doesn't want a cute dinosaur that evolves into a badass dinosaur?
Well, I had the blue edition, so I had to go with Squirtle 
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On August 18 2013 18:17 MysteryMeat1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 14:18 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Bulbasaur was my favorite starter, really. Actually in the first three generations, my favorite starters were all grass types. + Show Spoiler +Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 11:45 Shock710 wrote:On August 18 2013 11:07 VayneAuthority wrote:
I dont know why you would want charizard, there aren't any good fire pokemon in red/blue version. It's one of, if not the weakest, types in first gen " I dont know why you would want charizard", cause it was a dragon, a fire dragon and we were like 8 lol
That's my favorite pokemon. Don't hate ;o
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This looks so sick, hopefully they cover the entire game.
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On August 18 2013 14:32 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 14:18 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Bulbasaur was my favorite starter, really. Actually in the first three generations, my favorite starters were all grass types. Bulbasaur was the best starter in red/blue. Countered both rock and water, the first two gyms. And if i recall correctly, did well vs lightening, the third gym, as well.
Unfortunately, Bulbasaur is slow vs the trainers immediately before and after Brock's gym rending him overall slower than Squirtle
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On August 18 2013 20:49 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 14:32 killa_robot wrote:On August 18 2013 14:18 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Bulbasaur was my favorite starter, really. Actually in the first three generations, my favorite starters were all grass types. Bulbasaur was the best starter in red/blue. Countered both rock and water, the first two gyms. And if i recall correctly, did well vs lightening, the third gym, as well. Unfortunately, Bulbasaur is slow vs the trainers immediately before and after Brock's gym rending him overall slower than Squirtle
i remember it was pretty hard to get past brock and misty, i just grinded to lvl 36 to get charizard and tried to one hit her stuff with slash to get past her, and everything after that was mostly a breeze
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On August 18 2013 20:49 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 14:32 killa_robot wrote:On August 18 2013 14:18 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Bulbasaur was my favorite starter, really. Actually in the first three generations, my favorite starters were all grass types. Bulbasaur was the best starter in red/blue. Countered both rock and water, the first two gyms. And if i recall correctly, did well vs lightening, the third gym, as well. Unfortunately, Bulbasaur is slow vs the trainers immediately before and after Brock's gym rending him overall slower than Squirtle
Real men use Nidoran
(and by nidoran I mean a level 100 Nidoking in Viridian forest )
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On August 18 2013 20:53 Shock710 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 20:49 Plexa wrote:On August 18 2013 14:32 killa_robot wrote:On August 18 2013 14:18 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Bulbasaur was my favorite starter, really. Actually in the first three generations, my favorite starters were all grass types. Bulbasaur was the best starter in red/blue. Countered both rock and water, the first two gyms. And if i recall correctly, did well vs lightening, the third gym, as well. Unfortunately, Bulbasaur is slow vs the trainers immediately before and after Brock's gym rending him overall slower than Squirtle i remember it was pretty hard to get past brock and misty, i just grinded to lvl 36 to get charizard and tried to one hit her stuff with slash to get past her, and everything after that was mostly a breeze
Haha reminds me off how my brother beat the fourth gym (Grass) solely with a 40+ Blastoise. Man those where the days :D.
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On August 18 2013 12:59 Shalashaska_123 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 10:16 Jaaaaasper wrote:On August 18 2013 09:28 white_horse wrote:On August 18 2013 05:00 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Ohh please every generation of Pokemon has its good and bad designs. Are you really telling me that with pokemon like muk and a generic rat and seel and a upside down pokeball that gen 1 was perfect in pokemon design? Every generation has its good and bad pokemon designs, and its pure nostalgia that makes people hold gen 1 on a pedestal. Yes gen 1 was good, but it was not better or worse in Pokemon design than any of the others. That being said, I am glad to see a anime with out red instead of ash, because ash gets on my nerves. Whether or not "generic" rats are good pokemon design is based entirely on personal opinions. That said, first generations of anything capture the true spirit of whatever anime/cartoon/show, no? "Pokemon" in the latest generations look like something from mech genre animes and designs have been recycled to a degenerative point. That's what happens when you start beating the horse for money - which is why people who played with first or second generation pokemon have little affection for new generations because they don't feel the same anymore. The thing is that there have been some horrible pokemon designs and some good ones for every generation. Are you really telling me that pokemon like grimer ( a pile of grime) or seel ( a seal) is better than the new pokemon? And speaking of something out of a mecha anime Have you look at things like steelix from gen 2 or magneton from gen1? And a snake pokemon names ekans? Every generation has its ups and downs and over used themes. I played the originals on release and continue to like the new ones. Its nostalgia that causes these opinions not actual factual basis. Gen1 is probably the worst in regards to generic designs, but we played it as little kids for the most part, so its harder for us to take a hard look at it. Milking a formula that works is what happens in every genre from every developer, and game freak is better than a lot of the repeat offenders out there. And when ever the developers try something new that is nothing like the older games, the same people who bash them for "recycling " pokemon designs jump on them because it doesn't feel like the old games. You don't have to play the new ones, but stop holding gen 1 on a pedestal while ignoring its own blatant flaws. Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 05:00 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Ohh please every generation of Pokemon has its good and bad designs. Are you really telling me that with pokemon like muk and a generic rat and seel and a upside down pokeball that gen 1 was perfect in pokemon design? Every generation has its good and bad pokemon designs, and its pure nostalgia that makes people hold gen 1 on a pedestal. Yes gen 1 was good, but it was not better or worse in Pokemon design than any of the others. That being said, I am glad to see a anime with out red instead of ash, because ash gets on my nerves. I will respectfully disagree with you, Jaaaaasper. What you see as unimaginative design I see as simplicity, and simplicity is the basis of beauty in my eyes. It's because there is little to no imagination in Seel or Raticate, for example, that it doesn't look childish. This is in contrast to some of the designs of Pokemon in future generations that have too much creativity.
I think another problem is that there are only so many ways you can do a generic bird/rat/mouse/dog pokemon, and Gamefreak's decision to make new generics every generation has resulted in an overflow of such generic early game "filler" pokemon, with nothing to distinguish them except nostalgia.
So Raticate is remembered (and hated, because fuck trying to run away and seeing "Can't escape!") but nobody gives a shit about Furret/Linoone/Bibarrel without Moody/Watchog. The latter probably have more merit from a pure design point of view, but we're bored of it already.
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On August 18 2013 20:57 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 20:49 Plexa wrote:On August 18 2013 14:32 killa_robot wrote:On August 18 2013 14:18 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Bulbasaur was my favorite starter, really. Actually in the first three generations, my favorite starters were all grass types. Bulbasaur was the best starter in red/blue. Countered both rock and water, the first two gyms. And if i recall correctly, did well vs lightening, the third gym, as well. Unfortunately, Bulbasaur is slow vs the trainers immediately before and after Brock's gym rending him overall slower than Squirtle Real men use Nidoran (and by nidoran I mean a level 100 Nidoking in Viridian forest )
Gengar in Mt Moon more reliable ;o
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On August 19 2013 00:09 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 20:57 Drazerk wrote:On August 18 2013 20:49 Plexa wrote:On August 18 2013 14:32 killa_robot wrote:On August 18 2013 14:18 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Bulbasaur was my favorite starter, really. Actually in the first three generations, my favorite starters were all grass types. Bulbasaur was the best starter in red/blue. Countered both rock and water, the first two gyms. And if i recall correctly, did well vs lightening, the third gym, as well. Unfortunately, Bulbasaur is slow vs the trainers immediately before and after Brock's gym rending him overall slower than Squirtle Real men use Nidoran (and by nidoran I mean a level 100 Nidoking in Viridian forest ) Gengar in Mt Moon more reliable ;o
Its like 10 minutes into the game why not go for it. Probably reset less over Squirtles as well
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Haha was just playing my Red Rescue Team game. All of a sudden I was surprised to see 'Mew used Transform!' appear as I entered a new floor. I was disappointed to find Mew easy to defeat and Mew didn't join my rescue team. 
Later I fainted in a monster house surrounding the stairs... on floor 66B >.<
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On August 18 2013 20:53 Shock710 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 20:49 Plexa wrote:On August 18 2013 14:32 killa_robot wrote:On August 18 2013 14:18 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Bulbasaur was my favorite starter, really. Actually in the first three generations, my favorite starters were all grass types. Bulbasaur was the best starter in red/blue. Countered both rock and water, the first two gyms. And if i recall correctly, did well vs lightening, the third gym, as well. Unfortunately, Bulbasaur is slow vs the trainers immediately before and after Brock's gym rending him overall slower than Squirtle i remember it was pretty hard to get past brock and misty, i just grinded to lvl 36 to get charizard and tried to one hit her stuff with slash to get past her, and everything after that was mostly a breeze
Misty was a bitch with Charmeleon, I would pretty much revert back to my usual tactic of sand attacking her with my Pidgeotto until she couldn't hit anything or try to get as much out of a Pikachu as I could (aka Thunder Wave + Thundershock).
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On August 19 2013 00:05 dmfg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 12:59 Shalashaska_123 wrote:On August 18 2013 10:16 Jaaaaasper wrote:On August 18 2013 09:28 white_horse wrote:On August 18 2013 05:00 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Ohh please every generation of Pokemon has its good and bad designs. Are you really telling me that with pokemon like muk and a generic rat and seel and a upside down pokeball that gen 1 was perfect in pokemon design? Every generation has its good and bad pokemon designs, and its pure nostalgia that makes people hold gen 1 on a pedestal. Yes gen 1 was good, but it was not better or worse in Pokemon design than any of the others. That being said, I am glad to see a anime with out red instead of ash, because ash gets on my nerves. Whether or not "generic" rats are good pokemon design is based entirely on personal opinions. That said, first generations of anything capture the true spirit of whatever anime/cartoon/show, no? "Pokemon" in the latest generations look like something from mech genre animes and designs have been recycled to a degenerative point. That's what happens when you start beating the horse for money - which is why people who played with first or second generation pokemon have little affection for new generations because they don't feel the same anymore. The thing is that there have been some horrible pokemon designs and some good ones for every generation. Are you really telling me that pokemon like grimer ( a pile of grime) or seel ( a seal) is better than the new pokemon? And speaking of something out of a mecha anime Have you look at things like steelix from gen 2 or magneton from gen1? And a snake pokemon names ekans? Every generation has its ups and downs and over used themes. I played the originals on release and continue to like the new ones. Its nostalgia that causes these opinions not actual factual basis. Gen1 is probably the worst in regards to generic designs, but we played it as little kids for the most part, so its harder for us to take a hard look at it. Milking a formula that works is what happens in every genre from every developer, and game freak is better than a lot of the repeat offenders out there. And when ever the developers try something new that is nothing like the older games, the same people who bash them for "recycling " pokemon designs jump on them because it doesn't feel like the old games. You don't have to play the new ones, but stop holding gen 1 on a pedestal while ignoring its own blatant flaws. On August 18 2013 05:00 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Ohh please every generation of Pokemon has its good and bad designs. Are you really telling me that with pokemon like muk and a generic rat and seel and a upside down pokeball that gen 1 was perfect in pokemon design? Every generation has its good and bad pokemon designs, and its pure nostalgia that makes people hold gen 1 on a pedestal. Yes gen 1 was good, but it was not better or worse in Pokemon design than any of the others. That being said, I am glad to see a anime with out red instead of ash, because ash gets on my nerves. I will respectfully disagree with you, Jaaaaasper. What you see as unimaginative design I see as simplicity, and simplicity is the basis of beauty in my eyes. It's because there is little to no imagination in Seel or Raticate, for example, that it doesn't look childish. This is in contrast to some of the designs of Pokemon in future generations that have too much creativity. I think another problem is that there are only so many ways you can do a generic bird/rat/mouse/dog pokemon, and Gamefreak's decision to make new generics every generation has resulted in an overflow of such generic early game "filler" pokemon, with nothing to distinguish them except nostalgia. So Raticate is remembered (and hated, because fuck trying to run away and seeing "Can't escape!") but nobody gives a shit about Furret/Linoone/Bibarrel without Moody/Watchog. The latter probably have more merit from a pure design point of view, but we're bored of it already.
I have not played the pokemon games since red/blue. What is different about the new generation of pokemon games?
(in terms of pokemon and combat/etc)
ie: where can I find the giant patch note?
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On August 19 2013 00:05 dmfg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 12:59 Shalashaska_123 wrote:On August 18 2013 10:16 Jaaaaasper wrote:On August 18 2013 09:28 white_horse wrote:On August 18 2013 05:00 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Ohh please every generation of Pokemon has its good and bad designs. Are you really telling me that with pokemon like muk and a generic rat and seel and a upside down pokeball that gen 1 was perfect in pokemon design? Every generation has its good and bad pokemon designs, and its pure nostalgia that makes people hold gen 1 on a pedestal. Yes gen 1 was good, but it was not better or worse in Pokemon design than any of the others. That being said, I am glad to see a anime with out red instead of ash, because ash gets on my nerves. Whether or not "generic" rats are good pokemon design is based entirely on personal opinions. That said, first generations of anything capture the true spirit of whatever anime/cartoon/show, no? "Pokemon" in the latest generations look like something from mech genre animes and designs have been recycled to a degenerative point. That's what happens when you start beating the horse for money - which is why people who played with first or second generation pokemon have little affection for new generations because they don't feel the same anymore. The thing is that there have been some horrible pokemon designs and some good ones for every generation. Are you really telling me that pokemon like grimer ( a pile of grime) or seel ( a seal) is better than the new pokemon? And speaking of something out of a mecha anime Have you look at things like steelix from gen 2 or magneton from gen1? And a snake pokemon names ekans? Every generation has its ups and downs and over used themes. I played the originals on release and continue to like the new ones. Its nostalgia that causes these opinions not actual factual basis. Gen1 is probably the worst in regards to generic designs, but we played it as little kids for the most part, so its harder for us to take a hard look at it. Milking a formula that works is what happens in every genre from every developer, and game freak is better than a lot of the repeat offenders out there. And when ever the developers try something new that is nothing like the older games, the same people who bash them for "recycling " pokemon designs jump on them because it doesn't feel like the old games. You don't have to play the new ones, but stop holding gen 1 on a pedestal while ignoring its own blatant flaws. On August 18 2013 05:00 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Ohh please every generation of Pokemon has its good and bad designs. Are you really telling me that with pokemon like muk and a generic rat and seel and a upside down pokeball that gen 1 was perfect in pokemon design? Every generation has its good and bad pokemon designs, and its pure nostalgia that makes people hold gen 1 on a pedestal. Yes gen 1 was good, but it was not better or worse in Pokemon design than any of the others. That being said, I am glad to see a anime with out red instead of ash, because ash gets on my nerves. I will respectfully disagree with you, Jaaaaasper. What you see as unimaginative design I see as simplicity, and simplicity is the basis of beauty in my eyes. It's because there is little to no imagination in Seel or Raticate, for example, that it doesn't look childish. This is in contrast to some of the designs of Pokemon in future generations that have too much creativity. I think another problem is that there are only so many ways you can do a generic bird/rat/mouse/dog pokemon, and Gamefreak's decision to make new generics every generation has resulted in an overflow of such generic early game "filler" pokemon, with nothing to distinguish them except nostalgia. So Raticate is remembered (and hated, because fuck trying to run away and seeing "Can't escape!") but nobody gives a shit about Furret/Linoone/Bibarrel without Moody/Watchog. The latter probably have more merit from a pure design point of view, but we're bored of it already.
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On August 19 2013 02:16 Hikari wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 00:05 dmfg wrote:On August 18 2013 12:59 Shalashaska_123 wrote:On August 18 2013 10:16 Jaaaaasper wrote:On August 18 2013 09:28 white_horse wrote:On August 18 2013 05:00 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Ohh please every generation of Pokemon has its good and bad designs. Are you really telling me that with pokemon like muk and a generic rat and seel and a upside down pokeball that gen 1 was perfect in pokemon design? Every generation has its good and bad pokemon designs, and its pure nostalgia that makes people hold gen 1 on a pedestal. Yes gen 1 was good, but it was not better or worse in Pokemon design than any of the others. That being said, I am glad to see a anime with out red instead of ash, because ash gets on my nerves. Whether or not "generic" rats are good pokemon design is based entirely on personal opinions. That said, first generations of anything capture the true spirit of whatever anime/cartoon/show, no? "Pokemon" in the latest generations look like something from mech genre animes and designs have been recycled to a degenerative point. That's what happens when you start beating the horse for money - which is why people who played with first or second generation pokemon have little affection for new generations because they don't feel the same anymore. The thing is that there have been some horrible pokemon designs and some good ones for every generation. Are you really telling me that pokemon like grimer ( a pile of grime) or seel ( a seal) is better than the new pokemon? And speaking of something out of a mecha anime Have you look at things like steelix from gen 2 or magneton from gen1? And a snake pokemon names ekans? Every generation has its ups and downs and over used themes. I played the originals on release and continue to like the new ones. Its nostalgia that causes these opinions not actual factual basis. Gen1 is probably the worst in regards to generic designs, but we played it as little kids for the most part, so its harder for us to take a hard look at it. Milking a formula that works is what happens in every genre from every developer, and game freak is better than a lot of the repeat offenders out there. And when ever the developers try something new that is nothing like the older games, the same people who bash them for "recycling " pokemon designs jump on them because it doesn't feel like the old games. You don't have to play the new ones, but stop holding gen 1 on a pedestal while ignoring its own blatant flaws. On August 18 2013 05:00 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Ohh please every generation of Pokemon has its good and bad designs. Are you really telling me that with pokemon like muk and a generic rat and seel and a upside down pokeball that gen 1 was perfect in pokemon design? Every generation has its good and bad pokemon designs, and its pure nostalgia that makes people hold gen 1 on a pedestal. Yes gen 1 was good, but it was not better or worse in Pokemon design than any of the others. That being said, I am glad to see a anime with out red instead of ash, because ash gets on my nerves. I will respectfully disagree with you, Jaaaaasper. What you see as unimaginative design I see as simplicity, and simplicity is the basis of beauty in my eyes. It's because there is little to no imagination in Seel or Raticate, for example, that it doesn't look childish. This is in contrast to some of the designs of Pokemon in future generations that have too much creativity. I think another problem is that there are only so many ways you can do a generic bird/rat/mouse/dog pokemon, and Gamefreak's decision to make new generics every generation has resulted in an overflow of such generic early game "filler" pokemon, with nothing to distinguish them except nostalgia. So Raticate is remembered (and hated, because fuck trying to run away and seeing "Can't escape!") but nobody gives a shit about Furret/Linoone/Bibarrel without Moody/Watchog. The latter probably have more merit from a pure design point of view, but we're bored of it already. I have not played the pokemon games since red/blue. What is different about the new generation of pokemon games? (in terms of pokemon and combat/etc) ie: where can I find the giant patch note?
Biggest changes:
Special was split into Special Attack and Special Defense
Dark and Steel types added
Pokemon can now hold items
Pokemon have "abilities"
Pokemon now have Natures (+10% to one stat, -10% to another).
Instead of all of one type using a stat (ie, water always using special attack), now each move uses physical or special attack based on the move.
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I have only played the red/blue, heck I beat my friend's Charmeleon with an Ivysaur, mind you I was lvl 32 and his was lvl 18.
My regret in that game in not completing the 151 pokemon list, I had 150, because @ that time when I was young, catching Tauros was such a headache, that I stopped playing.
-cheers-
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On August 19 2013 02:38 eericson000 wrote:
I have only played the red/blue, heck I beat my friend's Charmeleon with an Ivysaur, mind you I was lvl 32 and his was lvl 18.
My regret in that game in not completing the 151 pokemon list, I had 150, because @ that time when I was young, catching Tauros was such a headache, that I stopped playing.
-cheers-
Tauros, Pinsir and Scyther were the bane of many Pokemon Masters haha.
Pretty hyped for this anime. Might be the first "modern" anime I watch.
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On August 19 2013 02:41 Draconicfire wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 02:38 eericson000 wrote:
I have only played the red/blue, heck I beat my friend's Charmeleon with an Ivysaur, mind you I was lvl 32 and his was lvl 18.
My regret in that game in not completing the 151 pokemon list, I had 150, because @ that time when I was young, catching Tauros was such a headache, that I stopped playing.
-cheers- Tauros, Pinsir and Scyther were the bane of many Pokemon Masters haha. Pretty hyped for this anime. Might be the first "modern" anime I watch.
Tauros was the only one i could catch really easily. I just went to this one spot saw a tauros and like 5/10 times i would catch one. Now if your talkin about Khangaskhan or Chansey... I don't even know what to say...
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On August 18 2013 18:17 MysteryMeat1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 14:18 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Bulbasaur was my favorite starter, really. Actually in the first three generations, my favorite starters were all grass types.
Chikorita is by far my favorite starter ever, Beefcakes!
If it actually ever learned sleep powder (seriously, what the fuck), it would be the best. THE BEST
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