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Tosstriss
Canada334 Posts
On August 18 2013 11:07 VayneAuthority wrote: I dont know why you would want charizard, there aren't any good fire pokemon in red/blue version. It's one of, if not the weakest, types in first gen How in the blue hell you forgot Bug and Ghost. Bugs best move is like pin missiles and ghost only has 1 move which is lick. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On August 18 2013 11:31 Tosstriss wrote: How in the blue hell you forgot Bug and Ghost. Bugs best move is like pin missiles and ghost only has 1 move which is lick. ?? gengar is one of the best pokemon from red/blue, you don't need a ghost type move when you are that fast and have that high of special attack. Bug I completely forgot about, but they do have parasect who has access to spore. but yea bug is worse than fire | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
On August 18 2013 11:07 VayneAuthority wrote: I dont know why you would want charizard, there aren't any good fire pokemon in red/blue version. It's one of, if not the weakest, types in first gen "I dont know why you would want charizard", cause it was a dragon, a fire dragon and we were like 8 lol | ||
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DoX.)
Singapore6164 Posts
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
On August 18 2013 11:07 VayneAuthority wrote: I dont know why you would want charizard, there aren't any good fire pokemon in red/blue version. It's one of, if not the weakest, types in first gen Because Charizard is badass and you don't need to concoct the perfect lineup to beat the game. Most people just play with the Pokemon they like, not necessarily the most optimal ones. | ||
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Shalashaska_123
United States142 Posts
On August 18 2013 10:16 Jaaaaasper wrote: The thing is that there have been some horrible pokemon designs and some good ones for every generation. Are you really telling me that pokemon like grimer ( a pile of grime) or seel ( a seal) is better than the new pokemon? And speaking of something out of a mecha anime Have you look at things like steelix from gen 2 or magneton from gen1? And a snake pokemon names ekans? Every generation has its ups and downs and over used themes. I played the originals on release and continue to like the new ones. Its nostalgia that causes these opinions not actual factual basis. Gen1 is probably the worst in regards to generic designs, but we played it as little kids for the most part, so its harder for us to take a hard look at it. Milking a formula that works is what happens in every genre from every developer, and game freak is better than a lot of the repeat offenders out there. And when ever the developers try something new that is nothing like the older games, the same people who bash them for "recycling " pokemon designs jump on them because it doesn't feel like the old games. You don't have to play the new ones, but stop holding gen 1 on a pedestal while ignoring its own blatant flaws. On August 18 2013 05:00 Jaaaaasper wrote: Ohh please every generation of Pokemon has its good and bad designs. Are you really telling me that with pokemon like muk and a generic rat and seel and a upside down pokeball that gen 1 was perfect in pokemon design? Every generation has its good and bad pokemon designs, and its pure nostalgia that makes people hold gen 1 on a pedestal. Yes gen 1 was good, but it was not better or worse in Pokemon design than any of the others. That being said, I am glad to see a anime with out red instead of ash, because ash gets on my nerves. I will respectfully disagree with you, Jaaaaasper. What you see as unimaginative design I see as simplicity, and simplicity is the basis of beauty in my eyes. It's because there is little to no imagination in Seel or Raticate, for example, that it doesn't look childish. This is in contrast to some of the designs of Pokemon in future generations that have too much creativity. I put generation 1 on a pedestal not because of nostalgia but because of its content compared to future generations. There are episodes like Bye Bye Butterfree and Snow Way Out that really moved me emotionally, episodes like the Tower of Terror and Pokemon Scent-sation that made me laugh really hard, and episodes like Electric Shock Showdown that really got me fired up. Also, the Gym leaders were really unique and memorable; there was Sabrina, who was about as abnormal as one could get, and Brock, who had to give up his dream of becoming a Pokemon Breeder to care for his brothers and sisters, and all the others. In general, there are just a lot more funny/crazy/emotional moments in generation 1 compared to future generations. I mean, really, having to dress up as a girl to get into the Celadon Gym? There's nothing as wild as that that I can recall. Oh, and I almost forgot about Team Rocket. Jessie and James actually acted like the badass, menacing criminals they were in season 1 (i.e. Pokemon Emergency, Bridge Bicycle Gang, etc). They weren't just there to get blasted off every episode in the same stale, boring manner in future generations. I am quite curious: What blatant flaws do you think season 1 and the original 151 Pokemon have? On topic with the original post, I'd be interested to see this Pokemon Special. However, I personally don't like the idea of making a special (with new characters) based on the Red/Blue game, which itself was based on season 1. If the game developers wanted to make something for their audiences in the late 90s, I think they should've brought back Ash, Misty, and Brock in their 20s. I'd want to see them go on another adventure to save the world from Team Rocket somehow... But anyways, let's see how well the game developers do with this. When I first played Blue version I picked Bulbasaur because that was the Pokemon my best friend had when I saw him playing the game. Nowadays whenever I play, I pick Charmander because it makes the gym battles more challenging... and also because Charizard is the coolest. | ||
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vult
United States9400 Posts
Charmander overrated btw. | ||
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ymir233
United States8275 Posts
Also the studio combo behind this is great (Production I.G. + Xebec), so no worries about production values AT ALL. Mmm-mmm. | ||
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F1rstAssau1t
1341 Posts
On August 18 2013 13:06 vult wrote: I chose Squirtle because I saw the anime before playing the game, and the Squirtle Squad were always some of my favorite Pokemon from the show, so I had to choose him! Charmander overrated btw. How dare u!!! Curse on you. | ||
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
1 xacc + higher speed makes ohko moves always hit (pinnacle mechanic in speedrunning however) you can't attack when you wakeup from sleep same with wrap (super frustrating in speedruns) special attack and special defense rolled into 1 makes special moves way too strong Hyper Beam kill means no recharge! (I always found this one fun though hahaha~) Random stat reduction/boost gives other effects (Kinesis reduces their accuracy by one stage AND increases their speed by one stage for no apparent reason) not to mention Stupid AI among others make this game really exploitable I've been playing the other pokemon games and enjoying them as well I think the newer ds games look very nice Although pokemon became more about friendship instead about battling your pokemon to the death to become greatest trainer of them all (hue) I do have to give it the nostalgia factor that I like it so much, and is in fact why I started to speed run yellow :3 Huge changes came along with Gen3 and onwards that I at first didn't like cause it was different (personality types for one) but I realize it was a nice addition when I accepted it. Inclusion of weather and reinstated night/day (gen2 and gen4+) is great touch as well And the split between physical and special damage on all moves was a huge change that made many pokemon much better | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10348 Posts
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Leafs4Lyfe
Canada3 Posts
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On August 18 2013 14:18 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Bulbasaur was my favorite starter, really. Actually in the first three generations, my favorite starters were all grass types. Bulbasaur was the best starter in red/blue. Countered both rock and water, the first two gyms. And if i recall correctly, did well vs lightening, the third gym, as well. | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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babylon
8765 Posts
On August 18 2013 14:32 killa_robot wrote: Bulbasaur was the best starter in red/blue. Countered both rock and water, the first two gyms. And if i recall correctly, did well vs lightening, the third gym, as well. Venasaur is also arguably the most useful Gen 1 starter in competitive battling as well. | ||
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yrba1
United States325 Posts
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Emnjay808
United States10666 Posts
On August 18 2013 13:09 ymir233 wrote: This is probably gonna be better than most of the other anime series this fall season...after cheering due to the death of Oreimo, this made my day twice over. Also the studio combo behind this is great (Production I.G. + Xebec), so no worries about production values AT ALL. Mmm-mmm. This is gonna be a special (according to MAL). Not a series. But I agree. Production IG + Xebec = My Pants. | ||
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The_Frozen_Inferno
Canada98 Posts
But that doesn't take into account how bug was . . . well, it was bugged in RBY. Beedrill was one of the most broken pokemon because it could use Twinneedle and be super effective against poison pokemon and it ignored resistances. For example, zubat the poison/flying bat we all love to hate should have 4x resistance to twinneedle since both of its types resist poison. But nope! Twinneedle hits it for super-effective damage while still being resisted by pidgey. **** I guess the point of the story is that RBY was awesome because it was a broken exploitable mess of a game with missingnos, level 164 aerodactyls, dittos that could perma-morph into mews and the old man outside of celadon gym who got censored in the reboots because he was just there to ogle women. Sure Generation V has a deep, complex and refined (and even competitive) combat system with a developed metagame, but really, how can that even compare to? | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
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KivTM
Australia90 Posts
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