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9-BiT
United States1089 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
The scientist side plot was a waste of time considering they barely developed the more important relationships in the movie. I was hoping for the main characters (Mako and that dude, says a lot that I cant even remember his name) to start off having troubles and finally get closer to unite in love and avenging their families against the Kaiju. Finally resulting in a meld more complete and powerful than anything before and a supersaiyan robot going to town on a bunch of Kaiju. Overall I absolutely loved the battle scenes but felt the superb graphics were wasted on woefully inadequate storytelling. Just start off with the sword then have it broken and force the pilots to come up with something new and daring when they're being carried off by the flier. Wracking their brains and remembering they have a sword is retardedly bad writing and completely broke my suspension of disbelief (they're pro pilots yet forget about the weapons at their disposal) and they even used a ship earlier instead (which is cool but should at least exhaust other weapons first). It's such an easy fix to have the plasma gun overheat, the sword break then the other stuff is instantly cooler and a bit more believable. Patrolling the 'miracle mile' was also just stupid seeing as how the Kaiju were far more dangerous in the water. It could easily be explained by having an obnoxious fat politician/businessman ordering them to defend his infrastructure/assets in the city. Then they're forced to fight in the water and we have more conflict + believability. You can even get the fat dude eaten later. Basically it's just another movie that's sold on the trailer with the rest mailed in. I'd give it 7/10 purely for the robots and seeing it on the big screen but that's being very generous. | ||
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Jukei
France114 Posts
On July 21 2013 10:45 Griffins wrote: I wrote one of those good/bad split reviews. For me the movie has most things in the right place, but lacks a certain polish. There is a tangible difference between something fully-realized and something a studio just cobbled together. Guillermo's mechs and creatures are the best realized objects in this movie, but the characters are some of the worst. Mainly I thought the plotting could have been handled more elegantly, it's just not quite there. But that doesn't necessarily make it a bad movie. The barometer for 'good' is the good stuff minus the bad, and Pacific Rim still comes out positive. Which is why I think Transformers 2/3 is critically panned and Pacific Rim is praised: Guillermo del Toro tries the right things and sometimes falls short, but you can sniff the beginnings of something good. If only Guillermo had more time! (I heard he had some 20-hour workdays to get the movie done on time.) Transformers 3 is largely unsalvageable, from the start. Pacific Rim is stupid for the sake of fun, and I think that's okay. Some parts of Transformers, I find, are just plain stupid. For the record, I liked the first Transformers movie. I actually completely agree with your post. It isn't as polished as it should have been, but still "ok" imo. I didn't mean that the acting or plot was exceptionnal and beyond reproach, it isn't, just that's it's weird rating the film a 9.5 or 10 (some people really did it) while saying the plot was so very bad. If they do that then either they actually liked the "story" parts of the movie, or they slept through them and only woke up at the action parts. Anyway, for me the film deserves a second watch, and i'm really hoping the long version solves some of the problems (I really think it can). ps : I kinda did like the first transformers too, guilty pleasure, but the 2 and 3 are so abyssmal that when i speak about transformers the bad is much greater than the good. | ||
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thegeek574
United States29 Posts
Notes, so that you can get a better idea of where I am coming from: 1. I love big action movies. The more explosions and fighting, the better. 2. I saw this in IMAX 3D, and that might have made a difference. I loved it. The action was like the new Transformers movies, except easier to follow. It wasn't all split second shots of something getting punched and then cutting away, it was a lot of nice, straight up brawling action. Some less than stellar acting and a mediocre story, but that's like critiquing something like "Injustice: Gods Among Us" for having the same issues. That's not why I'm there. I'm there to see a large mutant cousin of Jar Jar Binks get his head smashed around by a container while Glados is talking in the background. I would give it an 8 out of 10, because I had a blast with it and would be more than happy to watch it again. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 21 2013 10:43 BallinWitStalin wrote: I really don't even understand how you can say that, lol. First of all, Pacific Rim at least made an honest attempt at portraying how the world might collectively react to crazy ass shit like that happening. And I fail to see how a portal at the bottom of the ocean makes less sense that a bunch of robots trying to bring their robot world to ours to enslave humanity because I hear naked apes make really good slaves... Secondly, Transformers was all whirling balls of steel and ridiculous motorcycle stunts. In Pacific Rim you could see every punch, every throw, etc., and they used anticipation well in all of the fight scenes. And yeah, quantity of money made does not mean good. I just want Pacific Rim to do good so they make more. The amount of money transformers made is irrelevant to me, except to make me a little bit sad that people like such shitty movies so much. But whatever, to each their own. Also, I can't tell when a transformer is going to die or lose. In Pacific Rim, the fights were well put together, did not have shakey-cam and you felt some real impact to the fights. Plus when you saw the cockpit flood on the Russian robot, you knew they were fucked. In transformers some of them took 20 shots to the face, did back flips and combat rolls around going 70 miles an hour, robot parts fying through the air, all while the camera did the Harlem shake. I can never tell who is winning the fight or why, if transformer has been hurt. Finally, if I wanted 25 minutes of humans running around with guns, I would watch another movie. Transformers 3 trash for that, where they pad out the length of the film with buildings falling and humans running around like idiots. And getting in chases/dog fights between humans in wing suits and jets(dumbest fucking thing ever). Also, the story is more believable in transformers??????? A race of robots that lives in the stars, has space travel, who's solo purpose in life is to battle the other. Also, they teleport in a FUCKING PLANET in the 3rd movie and you a problem with the portal in at the bottom of the ocean. On July 21 2013 11:29 Scarecrow wrote: The first Transformers film was FAR better written and polished than Pacific Rim. The PR writing was seriously lazy and felt cobbled together at the last minute to pad the graphics. Any half decent writer could've looked at that script and improved it considerably over night "Let's do this...together!"... The scientist side plot was a waste of time considering they barely developed the more important relationships in the movie. I was hoping for the main characters (Mako and that dude, says a lot that I cant even remember his name) to start off having troubles and finally get closer to unite in love and avenging their families against the Kaiju. Finally resulting in a meld more complete and powerful than anything before and a supersaiyan robot going to town on a bunch of Kaiju. Overall I absolutely loved the battle scenes but felt the superb graphics were wasted on woefully inadequate storytelling. Just start off with the sword then have it broken and force the pilots to come up with something new and daring when they're being carried off by the flier. Wracking their brains and remembering they have a sword is retardedly bad writing and completely broke my suspension of disbelief (they're pro pilots yet forget about the weapons at their disposal) and they even used a ship earlier instead (which is cool but should at least exhaust other weapons first). It's such an easy fix to have the plasma gun overheat, the sword break then the other stuff is instantly cooler and a bit more believable. Patrolling the 'miracle mile' was also just stupid seeing as how the Kaiju were far more dangerous in the water. It could easily be explained by having an obnoxious fat politician/businessman ordering them to defend his infrastructure/assets in the city. Then they're forced to fight in the water and we have more conflict + believability. You can even get the fat dude eaten later. Basically it's just another movie that's sold on the trailer with the rest mailed in. I'd give it 7/10 purely for the robots and seeing it on the big screen but that's being very generous. If we are going to talk about bad writing, transformers takes the cake. Dog pees on robot. Robot pees on human. Parents find girl in main characters bedroom in the most drawn out scene ever. Bad plot point about female leads(if you can call Ms. Fox that) father being a car thief that goes no where. Megan Fox as a whole. And again, a ROBOT PEES ON A HUMAN AND THEY THOUGHT IT WAS FUNNY. All of this is way worse than "Come on! Lets do this! Together!", which sounded way more bad ass than anything a transformer said in all those movies. P.S. And I think the writers knew the "forgotten Sword" thing was silly. I just don't think they cared. Every good anime has the "I have one more weapon" moment in their giant robot fights. | ||
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TheUnderking
Canada202 Posts
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
You're a bad person for not liking transformers. I dont like you.  | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
edit: it also didn't help that they butchered Mako's part by dubbing her japanese with English for the Korean release. The dubbing was also badly out of sync in some parts and ruined her character | ||
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Immutant
Singapore201 Posts
(Seriously, a wall? What if they break through? And the amount of material needed to cover the Pacific ocean is enormous.) They should have gone with common sense. E.g. Why build giant robots to fight monsters, when we can develop super efficient nukes/weapons, and mount them on special anti Kaiju wheeled vehicles. And since they all come from the seabed, won't a Super submarine to combat the Kaiju be better? Or a wall around the portal itself, with a railgun and various weapons mounted right at the entrance? (Which they should have done so in the first place) That would be a logical way to divert funding away from the Jaeger program. Movie was generally OK, but some inconsistencies, such as suddenly remembering your ultra useful Kaiji killing chain sword when 5/6 of the battle was over. And how in the world did the guy managed to float back up the portal when you need the Kaiji's biocode to get through? I was also sad that the Russian and Chinese Jaeger got wiped so quickly. Was looking forward to more action from them. Imo, the most interesting part was the 'history' at the start. How the Kaiju suddenly appeared, how man struggled to fight them with conventional weapons. How the Jaeger programme came about. The movie should have started with that. | ||
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1godless
United States247 Posts
they would have to put the bomb in a kaiju right after meeting the scientists | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On July 21 2013 12:07 TheUnderking wrote: I saw the movie with my girlfriend. Neither of us remembered anyone's names except for Moria or Mako or whatever her name is. 4/10. Great action scenes. Awful story. Character development that makes the bugs from Starship Troopers look like they are in Dune novels. To be honest the more I think about it, the lower the rating gets. Starship troopers is actually a good to talk about in comparison. A movie that doesn't take it meta-self as a movie too seriously but takes the subject manner it's dealing in seriously. Which is how I'd describe pacific rim. | ||
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TheUnderking
Canada202 Posts
Pacific Rim's characters are nowhere near as interesting (generic general, generic hero, stereotypical love interest, anti-hero ally, hipster scientist, stuffy scientist) however. The alien parts dealer had so much potential though. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
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2WeaK
Canada550 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I didn't like the movie, what made it worse on top of everything, was the cheesy as hell "We're out of options!" followed by "No, we're not! Activate Swords!"... That just killed it for me, why couldn't they use the sword from the get go and actually use it... Story was predictable and full of plot holes, but it's an action blockbuster, so I didn't really care. All in all, I feel the action scenes could have been better executed and could have used some better lighting, but hey, what do I know? Monsters always come out at 2AM, whether they're in the states or China... | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On July 21 2013 12:45 Scarecrow wrote: How can i enjoy a monster movie unless i know there is a sweaty Japanese man playing the monster in a rubber costume.Apparently the terrible dubbing in some releases was a director’s gag at the spectacularly bad monster movie dubs of yore... Why not have a plastic kaiju and styrofoam buildings as a homage too while you're at it? Really horrible how Mako's lines were butchered by the bad english dub. | ||
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don_kyuhote
3006 Posts
On July 21 2013 13:09 2WeaK wrote: I didn't like the movie, what made it worse on top of everything, was the cheesy as hell "We're out of options!" followed by "No, we're not! Activate Swords!"... That just killed it for me, why couldn't they use the sword from the get go and actually use it... Because you don't want toxic kaiju blood spilling everywhere. That shit takes months to clean up mang. | ||
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Emzeeshady
Canada4203 Posts
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`phobiA
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ETisME
12399 Posts
On July 21 2013 11:41 Jukei wrote: I actually completely agree with your post. It isn't as polished as it should have been, but still "ok" imo. I didn't mean that the acting or plot was exceptionnal and beyond reproach, it isn't, just that's it's weird rating the film a 9.5 or 10 (some people really did it) while saying the plot was so very bad. If they do that then either they actually liked the "story" parts of the movie, or they slept through them and only woke up at the action parts. Anyway, for me the film deserves a second watch, and i'm really hoping the long version solves some of the problems (I really think it can). ps : I kinda did like the first transformers too, guilty pleasure, but the 2 and 3 are so abyssmal that when i speak about transformers the bad is much greater than the good. Yea the first transformer was really good imo, lots of hidden stuff for true fans and the jokes were funny (especially that part about the donuts theory in interrogation) But the battle scenes were horrible imo, too shaky and too much colour saturation adjustment I think Pacific Rim is great for a cheesy story, not mean to be complicated or anything but it's great for what it's genre is | ||
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Mordanis
United States893 Posts
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