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On July 21 2013 14:47 Mordanis wrote:
Wow, didn't think so many people would talk about the plot of a movie like this. It'd probably be much more efficient for everyone involved to simply turn their brains off and shout "ELBOW ROCKET ROBOT PUNCH!!!!! SPACE DINOSAURS!!!!! NUKES! WALKING TALL BUT WITH ROBOTS!". In all seriousness, if you watch movies like this to satisfy an urge for character development or subtle plots ... you probably missed the point.
-.- just because you have these awesome visuals doesn't mean you can't spend a few days hashing out a better narrative. I hate the copout of "oh it's robot vs monsters so it doesn't have to make sense." This isn't Sharknado and immersion in the story really benefits from being coherent and logical aside from the inclusion of space monsters. I'm willing to believe in the premise but when an experienced pilot forgets they have a sword it makes everything fall apart.
On July 21 2013 13:28 don_kyuhote wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 13:09 2WeaK wrote:
I didn't like the movie, what made it worse on top of everything, was the cheesy as hell "We're out of options!" followed by "No, we're not! Activate Swords!"... That just killed it for me, why couldn't they use the sword from the get go and actually use it...
Because you don't want toxic kaiju blood spilling everywhere. That shit takes months to clean up mang.
That would be fine, except they're incredibly inconsistent with the blood and the damage it does. It's not Prometheus black goo levels but it's still badly done. Not to mention the chinese triplets that had no problem using spinning blades.
Also the black market guy going on about bone shavings and how lucrative they are yet the city's built up around a gigantic, intact Kaiju skeleton... (I thought they were cool ideas, but you can't have both)
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On July 21 2013 15:07 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 14:47 Mordanis wrote:
Wow, didn't think so many people would talk about the plot of a movie like this. It'd probably be much more efficient for everyone involved to simply turn their brains off and shout "ELBOW ROCKET ROBOT PUNCH!!!!! SPACE DINOSAURS!!!!! NUKES! WALKING TALL BUT WITH ROBOTS!". In all seriousness, if you watch movies like this to satisfy an urge for character development or subtle plots ... you probably missed the point. I'm willing to believe in the premise but when an experienced pilot forgets they have a sword it makes it very hard to suspend disbelief.
That didn't happen, at least not how you were saying. Raleigh was an experience pilot, and indeed he did not know about the sword. However, the Gypsy Danger he is used to piloting, the one from the beginning of the movie, did not have a sword on it. After Gypsy barely managed to fight off that first Kaiju, Gypsy was basically decommissioned, and then later rebuilt/refurbished. So by the time the "present" rolls around in the movie, Raleigh is brought back after a long time, and Gypsy has some new toys on it that he was unaware of. And due to circumstances, they weren't able to test all of their equipment. Mako DID know about the sword, because she was the one in charge of its refurbishment. And you can't call her anything other than an inexperienced newbie, which would explain why she would forget about the sword until the end.
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this movie was clearly a visual effects comes first everything else (including plot/script) comes second type movie.
Clearly they delivered with effects, would have been nice to have a great plot/story as well but I find it hard to really be that critical. I enjoyed the movie, I didn't go into it with high expectations at all though, I went into it to see badass robots hulk smashing larger than life giant beasts and that's what I got, with GLaDOS on the side. 
Nowhere near film of the year, but definitely worthy of best visual effects of 2013 and I hope the guys that worked on the animation side of things for this win awards because it was glorious.
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On July 21 2013 15:14 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 15:07 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 14:47 Mordanis wrote:
Wow, didn't think so many people would talk about the plot of a movie like this. It'd probably be much more efficient for everyone involved to simply turn their brains off and shout "ELBOW ROCKET ROBOT PUNCH!!!!! SPACE DINOSAURS!!!!! NUKES! WALKING TALL BUT WITH ROBOTS!". In all seriousness, if you watch movies like this to satisfy an urge for character development or subtle plots ... you probably missed the point. I'm willing to believe in the premise but when an experienced pilot forgets they have a sword it makes it very hard to suspend disbelief. That didn't happen, at least not how you were saying. Raleigh was an experience pilot, and indeed he did not know about the sword. However, the Gypsy Danger he is used to piloting, the one from the beginning of the movie, did not have a sword on it. After Gypsy barely managed to fight off that first Kaiju, Gypsy was basically decommissioned, and then later rebuilt/refurbished. So by the time the "present" rolls around in the movie, Raleigh is brought back after a long time, and Gypsy has some new toys on it that he was unaware of. And due to circumstances, they weren't able to test all of their equipment. Mako DID know about the sword, because she was the one in charge of its refurbishment. And you can't call her anything other than an inexperienced newbie, which would explain why she would forget about the sword until the end.
I knew someone would say this. It still doesn't make sense. You've got a revamped machine how the fuck do you not at least find out the specs and know what weapons you have available before going into combat? If my life's on the line as a pilot coming back after 5+ years I'm definitely going to find out the basic functions of my battle robot (like its secondary weapon). I also don't care how inexperienced you are, your first thought in combat should be using weapons rather than fists. It's like being in Afghanistan and forgetting to use your gun cause you're a rookie. And in response to the followup "stop poking holes, they did the punching cause it's cooler," you can still have plenty of melee action but it doesn't hurt to break the sword/overheat the plasma gun first so it makes more sense.
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On July 21 2013 15:20 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 15:14 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:07 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 14:47 Mordanis wrote:
Wow, didn't think so many people would talk about the plot of a movie like this. It'd probably be much more efficient for everyone involved to simply turn their brains off and shout "ELBOW ROCKET ROBOT PUNCH!!!!! SPACE DINOSAURS!!!!! NUKES! WALKING TALL BUT WITH ROBOTS!". In all seriousness, if you watch movies like this to satisfy an urge for character development or subtle plots ... you probably missed the point. I'm willing to believe in the premise but when an experienced pilot forgets they have a sword it makes it very hard to suspend disbelief. That didn't happen, at least not how you were saying. Raleigh was an experience pilot, and indeed he did not know about the sword. However, the Gypsy Danger he is used to piloting, the one from the beginning of the movie, did not have a sword on it. After Gypsy barely managed to fight off that first Kaiju, Gypsy was basically decommissioned, and then later rebuilt/refurbished. So by the time the "present" rolls around in the movie, Raleigh is brought back after a long time, and Gypsy has some new toys on it that he was unaware of. And due to circumstances, they weren't able to test all of their equipment. Mako DID know about the sword, because she was the one in charge of its refurbishment. And you can't call her anything other than an inexperienced newbie, which would explain why she would forget about the sword until the end. I knew someone would say this. It still doesn't make sense. You've got a revamped machine how the fuck do you not at least find out the specs and know what weapons you have available before going into combat? If my life's on the line as a pilot coming back after 5+ years I'm definitely going to find out the basic functions of my battle robot (like it's secondary weapon). I also don't care how inexperienced you are, your first thought in combat should be using weapons rather than fists. It's like being in Afghanistan and forgetting to use your gun cause you're a rookie. And in response to the followup "stop poking holes, they did the punching cause it's cooler," you can still have plenty of melee action but it doesn't hurt to break the sword/overheat the plasma gun first so it makes sense.
The one single test they went through went to shit when Mako fucked up the Drifting. Afterwards, they weren't even supposed to be deployed. Releigh had no opportunity to find out what all new stuff was on his machine. They only went out because Striker Eureka got EMP'd, and Gypsy could still move. And the sword is not Gypsy's main weapon, so your Afganistan comparison is moot.
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On July 21 2013 15:25 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 15:20 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 15:14 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:07 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 14:47 Mordanis wrote:
Wow, didn't think so many people would talk about the plot of a movie like this. It'd probably be much more efficient for everyone involved to simply turn their brains off and shout "ELBOW ROCKET ROBOT PUNCH!!!!! SPACE DINOSAURS!!!!! NUKES! WALKING TALL BUT WITH ROBOTS!". In all seriousness, if you watch movies like this to satisfy an urge for character development or subtle plots ... you probably missed the point. I'm willing to believe in the premise but when an experienced pilot forgets they have a sword it makes it very hard to suspend disbelief. That didn't happen, at least not how you were saying. Raleigh was an experience pilot, and indeed he did not know about the sword. However, the Gypsy Danger he is used to piloting, the one from the beginning of the movie, did not have a sword on it. After Gypsy barely managed to fight off that first Kaiju, Gypsy was basically decommissioned, and then later rebuilt/refurbished. So by the time the "present" rolls around in the movie, Raleigh is brought back after a long time, and Gypsy has some new toys on it that he was unaware of. And due to circumstances, they weren't able to test all of their equipment. Mako DID know about the sword, because she was the one in charge of its refurbishment. And you can't call her anything other than an inexperienced newbie, which would explain why she would forget about the sword until the end. I knew someone would say this. It still doesn't make sense. You've got a revamped machine how the fuck do you not at least find out the specs and know what weapons you have available before going into combat? If my life's on the line as a pilot coming back after 5+ years I'm definitely going to find out the basic functions of my battle robot (like it's secondary weapon). I also don't care how inexperienced you are, your first thought in combat should be using weapons rather than fists. It's like being in Afghanistan and forgetting to use your gun cause you're a rookie. And in response to the followup "stop poking holes, they did the punching cause it's cooler," you can still have plenty of melee action but it doesn't hurt to break the sword/overheat the plasma gun first so it makes sense. The one single test they went through went to shit when Mako fucked up the Drifting. Afterwards, they weren't even supposed to be deployed. Releigh had no opportunity to find out what all new stuff was on his machine. They only went out because Striker Eureka got EMP'd, and Gypsy could still move. And the sword is not Gypsy's main weapon, so your Afganistan comparison is moot.
Fine, Raleigh maybe didn't know about the sword. It still doesn't make sense for Mako to forget the sword in favour of fist fighting for so long.
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On July 21 2013 15:32 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 15:25 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:20 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 15:14 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:07 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 14:47 Mordanis wrote:
Wow, didn't think so many people would talk about the plot of a movie like this. It'd probably be much more efficient for everyone involved to simply turn their brains off and shout "ELBOW ROCKET ROBOT PUNCH!!!!! SPACE DINOSAURS!!!!! NUKES! WALKING TALL BUT WITH ROBOTS!". In all seriousness, if you watch movies like this to satisfy an urge for character development or subtle plots ... you probably missed the point. I'm willing to believe in the premise but when an experienced pilot forgets they have a sword it makes it very hard to suspend disbelief. That didn't happen, at least not how you were saying. Raleigh was an experience pilot, and indeed he did not know about the sword. However, the Gypsy Danger he is used to piloting, the one from the beginning of the movie, did not have a sword on it. After Gypsy barely managed to fight off that first Kaiju, Gypsy was basically decommissioned, and then later rebuilt/refurbished. So by the time the "present" rolls around in the movie, Raleigh is brought back after a long time, and Gypsy has some new toys on it that he was unaware of. And due to circumstances, they weren't able to test all of their equipment. Mako DID know about the sword, because she was the one in charge of its refurbishment. And you can't call her anything other than an inexperienced newbie, which would explain why she would forget about the sword until the end. I knew someone would say this. It still doesn't make sense. You've got a revamped machine how the fuck do you not at least find out the specs and know what weapons you have available before going into combat? If my life's on the line as a pilot coming back after 5+ years I'm definitely going to find out the basic functions of my battle robot (like it's secondary weapon). I also don't care how inexperienced you are, your first thought in combat should be using weapons rather than fists. It's like being in Afghanistan and forgetting to use your gun cause you're a rookie. And in response to the followup "stop poking holes, they did the punching cause it's cooler," you can still have plenty of melee action but it doesn't hurt to break the sword/overheat the plasma gun first so it makes sense. The one single test they went through went to shit when Mako fucked up the Drifting. Afterwards, they weren't even supposed to be deployed. Releigh had no opportunity to find out what all new stuff was on his machine. They only went out because Striker Eureka got EMP'd, and Gypsy could still move. And the sword is not Gypsy's main weapon, so your Afganistan comparison is moot. Fine, Raleigh maybe didn't know about the sword. It still doesn't make sense for Mako to forget the sword in favour of fist fighting for so long.
Well, like I said, I can just accept that as Mako being an experienced noob in her first battle with the fate of the world on their collective shoulders.
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On July 21 2013 15:34 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 15:32 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 15:25 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:20 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 15:14 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:07 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 14:47 Mordanis wrote:
Wow, didn't think so many people would talk about the plot of a movie like this. It'd probably be much more efficient for everyone involved to simply turn their brains off and shout "ELBOW ROCKET ROBOT PUNCH!!!!! SPACE DINOSAURS!!!!! NUKES! WALKING TALL BUT WITH ROBOTS!". In all seriousness, if you watch movies like this to satisfy an urge for character development or subtle plots ... you probably missed the point. I'm willing to believe in the premise but when an experienced pilot forgets they have a sword it makes it very hard to suspend disbelief. That didn't happen, at least not how you were saying. Raleigh was an experience pilot, and indeed he did not know about the sword. However, the Gypsy Danger he is used to piloting, the one from the beginning of the movie, did not have a sword on it. After Gypsy barely managed to fight off that first Kaiju, Gypsy was basically decommissioned, and then later rebuilt/refurbished. So by the time the "present" rolls around in the movie, Raleigh is brought back after a long time, and Gypsy has some new toys on it that he was unaware of. And due to circumstances, they weren't able to test all of their equipment. Mako DID know about the sword, because she was the one in charge of its refurbishment. And you can't call her anything other than an inexperienced newbie, which would explain why she would forget about the sword until the end. I knew someone would say this. It still doesn't make sense. You've got a revamped machine how the fuck do you not at least find out the specs and know what weapons you have available before going into combat? If my life's on the line as a pilot coming back after 5+ years I'm definitely going to find out the basic functions of my battle robot (like it's secondary weapon). I also don't care how inexperienced you are, your first thought in combat should be using weapons rather than fists. It's like being in Afghanistan and forgetting to use your gun cause you're a rookie. And in response to the followup "stop poking holes, they did the punching cause it's cooler," you can still have plenty of melee action but it doesn't hurt to break the sword/overheat the plasma gun first so it makes sense. The one single test they went through went to shit when Mako fucked up the Drifting. Afterwards, they weren't even supposed to be deployed. Releigh had no opportunity to find out what all new stuff was on his machine. They only went out because Striker Eureka got EMP'd, and Gypsy could still move. And the sword is not Gypsy's main weapon, so your Afganistan comparison is moot. Fine, Raleigh maybe didn't know about the sword. It still doesn't make sense for Mako to forget the sword in favour of fist fighting for so long. Well, like I said, I can just accept that as Mako being an experienced noob in her first battle with the fate of the world on their collective shoulders.
It doesn't matter, you don't just forget one of your two main weapons. It split a Kaiju in half later in the movie ffs. You're scared of dying and the world is at stake so you get the fucking sword out instead of fists. She's spent her whole life around these machines and in training, I have no idea how you can accept she'd just forget the sword. Even then the people in the com's center would be like, get your freaking sword out, what the hell are you doing?? It was made even worse when the commander said their fighting was the best he'd ever seen, when they'd clearly fucked up by not using the sword 5 minutes earlier.
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On July 21 2013 15:41 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 15:34 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:32 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 15:25 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:20 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 15:14 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:07 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 14:47 Mordanis wrote:
Wow, didn't think so many people would talk about the plot of a movie like this. It'd probably be much more efficient for everyone involved to simply turn their brains off and shout "ELBOW ROCKET ROBOT PUNCH!!!!! SPACE DINOSAURS!!!!! NUKES! WALKING TALL BUT WITH ROBOTS!". In all seriousness, if you watch movies like this to satisfy an urge for character development or subtle plots ... you probably missed the point. I'm willing to believe in the premise but when an experienced pilot forgets they have a sword it makes it very hard to suspend disbelief. That didn't happen, at least not how you were saying. Raleigh was an experience pilot, and indeed he did not know about the sword. However, the Gypsy Danger he is used to piloting, the one from the beginning of the movie, did not have a sword on it. After Gypsy barely managed to fight off that first Kaiju, Gypsy was basically decommissioned, and then later rebuilt/refurbished. So by the time the "present" rolls around in the movie, Raleigh is brought back after a long time, and Gypsy has some new toys on it that he was unaware of. And due to circumstances, they weren't able to test all of their equipment. Mako DID know about the sword, because she was the one in charge of its refurbishment. And you can't call her anything other than an inexperienced newbie, which would explain why she would forget about the sword until the end. I knew someone would say this. It still doesn't make sense. You've got a revamped machine how the fuck do you not at least find out the specs and know what weapons you have available before going into combat? If my life's on the line as a pilot coming back after 5+ years I'm definitely going to find out the basic functions of my battle robot (like it's secondary weapon). I also don't care how inexperienced you are, your first thought in combat should be using weapons rather than fists. It's like being in Afghanistan and forgetting to use your gun cause you're a rookie. And in response to the followup "stop poking holes, they did the punching cause it's cooler," you can still have plenty of melee action but it doesn't hurt to break the sword/overheat the plasma gun first so it makes sense. The one single test they went through went to shit when Mako fucked up the Drifting. Afterwards, they weren't even supposed to be deployed. Releigh had no opportunity to find out what all new stuff was on his machine. They only went out because Striker Eureka got EMP'd, and Gypsy could still move. And the sword is not Gypsy's main weapon, so your Afganistan comparison is moot. Fine, Raleigh maybe didn't know about the sword. It still doesn't make sense for Mako to forget the sword in favour of fist fighting for so long. Well, like I said, I can just accept that as Mako being an experienced noob in her first battle with the fate of the world on their collective shoulders. It doesn't matter, you don't just forget one of your two main weapons. It split a Kaiju in half later in the movie ffs. You're scared of dying and the world is at stake so you get the fucking sword out instead of fists. She's spent her whole life around these machines and in training, I have no idea how you can accept she'd just forget the sword. Even then the people in the com's center would be like, get your freaking sword out, what the hell are you doing?? It was made even worse when the commander said their fighting was the best he'd ever seen, when they'd clearly fucked up by not using the sword 5 minutes earlier.
That's what you would do. Not all people deal with pressure in the same way. Some people don't deal with pressure gracefully at all. And there was a ton of pressure on her for this fight, I'm sure you would accept that. Plus, weren't communications knocked out due to the EMP? I can't remember real clearly on that point. Even if they were up, it could have been taken as "well, they are just choosing to fight without it so lets not backseat pilot". Gypsy had plenty of other weapons, many of which Releigh was familiar/comfortable with.
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On July 21 2013 15:53 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 15:41 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 15:34 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:32 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 15:25 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:20 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 15:14 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:07 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 14:47 Mordanis wrote:
Wow, didn't think so many people would talk about the plot of a movie like this. It'd probably be much more efficient for everyone involved to simply turn their brains off and shout "ELBOW ROCKET ROBOT PUNCH!!!!! SPACE DINOSAURS!!!!! NUKES! WALKING TALL BUT WITH ROBOTS!". In all seriousness, if you watch movies like this to satisfy an urge for character development or subtle plots ... you probably missed the point. I'm willing to believe in the premise but when an experienced pilot forgets they have a sword it makes it very hard to suspend disbelief. That didn't happen, at least not how you were saying. Raleigh was an experience pilot, and indeed he did not know about the sword. However, the Gypsy Danger he is used to piloting, the one from the beginning of the movie, did not have a sword on it. After Gypsy barely managed to fight off that first Kaiju, Gypsy was basically decommissioned, and then later rebuilt/refurbished. So by the time the "present" rolls around in the movie, Raleigh is brought back after a long time, and Gypsy has some new toys on it that he was unaware of. And due to circumstances, they weren't able to test all of their equipment. Mako DID know about the sword, because she was the one in charge of its refurbishment. And you can't call her anything other than an inexperienced newbie, which would explain why she would forget about the sword until the end. I knew someone would say this. It still doesn't make sense. You've got a revamped machine how the fuck do you not at least find out the specs and know what weapons you have available before going into combat? If my life's on the line as a pilot coming back after 5+ years I'm definitely going to find out the basic functions of my battle robot (like it's secondary weapon). I also don't care how inexperienced you are, your first thought in combat should be using weapons rather than fists. It's like being in Afghanistan and forgetting to use your gun cause you're a rookie. And in response to the followup "stop poking holes, they did the punching cause it's cooler," you can still have plenty of melee action but it doesn't hurt to break the sword/overheat the plasma gun first so it makes sense. The one single test they went through went to shit when Mako fucked up the Drifting. Afterwards, they weren't even supposed to be deployed. Releigh had no opportunity to find out what all new stuff was on his machine. They only went out because Striker Eureka got EMP'd, and Gypsy could still move. And the sword is not Gypsy's main weapon, so your Afganistan comparison is moot. Fine, Raleigh maybe didn't know about the sword. It still doesn't make sense for Mako to forget the sword in favour of fist fighting for so long. Well, like I said, I can just accept that as Mako being an experienced noob in her first battle with the fate of the world on their collective shoulders. It doesn't matter, you don't just forget one of your two main weapons. It split a Kaiju in half later in the movie ffs. You're scared of dying and the world is at stake so you get the fucking sword out instead of fists. She's spent her whole life around these machines and in training, I have no idea how you can accept she'd just forget the sword. Even then the people in the com's center would be like, get your freaking sword out, what the hell are you doing?? It was made even worse when the commander said their fighting was the best he'd ever seen, when they'd clearly fucked up by not using the sword 5 minutes earlier. That's what you would do. Not all people deal with pressure in the same way. Some people don't deal with pressure gracefully at all. And there was a ton of pressure on her for this fight, I'm sure you would accept that. Plus, weren't communications knocked out due to the EMP? I can't remember real clearly on that point. Even if they were up, it could have been taken as "well, they are just choosing to fight without it so lets not backseat pilot". Gypsy had plenty of other weapons, many of which Releigh was familiar/comfortable with.
I agree that people can fuck up badly under pressure, but it just doesn't cover it. You're in a fighting machine and you're forgetting one of your two main weapons for entire fights while your partner decides to use a boat and cargo containers instead.
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On July 21 2013 15:53 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 15:41 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 15:34 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:32 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 15:25 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:20 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 15:14 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:07 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 14:47 Mordanis wrote:
Wow, didn't think so many people would talk about the plot of a movie like this. It'd probably be much more efficient for everyone involved to simply turn their brains off and shout "ELBOW ROCKET ROBOT PUNCH!!!!! SPACE DINOSAURS!!!!! NUKES! WALKING TALL BUT WITH ROBOTS!". In all seriousness, if you watch movies like this to satisfy an urge for character development or subtle plots ... you probably missed the point. I'm willing to believe in the premise but when an experienced pilot forgets they have a sword it makes it very hard to suspend disbelief. That didn't happen, at least not how you were saying. Raleigh was an experience pilot, and indeed he did not know about the sword. However, the Gypsy Danger he is used to piloting, the one from the beginning of the movie, did not have a sword on it. After Gypsy barely managed to fight off that first Kaiju, Gypsy was basically decommissioned, and then later rebuilt/refurbished. So by the time the "present" rolls around in the movie, Raleigh is brought back after a long time, and Gypsy has some new toys on it that he was unaware of. And due to circumstances, they weren't able to test all of their equipment. Mako DID know about the sword, because she was the one in charge of its refurbishment. And you can't call her anything other than an inexperienced newbie, which would explain why she would forget about the sword until the end. I knew someone would say this. It still doesn't make sense. You've got a revamped machine how the fuck do you not at least find out the specs and know what weapons you have available before going into combat? If my life's on the line as a pilot coming back after 5+ years I'm definitely going to find out the basic functions of my battle robot (like it's secondary weapon). I also don't care how inexperienced you are, your first thought in combat should be using weapons rather than fists. It's like being in Afghanistan and forgetting to use your gun cause you're a rookie. And in response to the followup "stop poking holes, they did the punching cause it's cooler," you can still have plenty of melee action but it doesn't hurt to break the sword/overheat the plasma gun first so it makes sense. The one single test they went through went to shit when Mako fucked up the Drifting. Afterwards, they weren't even supposed to be deployed. Releigh had no opportunity to find out what all new stuff was on his machine. They only went out because Striker Eureka got EMP'd, and Gypsy could still move. And the sword is not Gypsy's main weapon, so your Afganistan comparison is moot. Fine, Raleigh maybe didn't know about the sword. It still doesn't make sense for Mako to forget the sword in favour of fist fighting for so long. Well, like I said, I can just accept that as Mako being an experienced noob in her first battle with the fate of the world on their collective shoulders. It doesn't matter, you don't just forget one of your two main weapons. It split a Kaiju in half later in the movie ffs. You're scared of dying and the world is at stake so you get the fucking sword out instead of fists. She's spent her whole life around these machines and in training, I have no idea how you can accept she'd just forget the sword. Even then the people in the com's center would be like, get your freaking sword out, what the hell are you doing?? It was made even worse when the commander said their fighting was the best he'd ever seen, when they'd clearly fucked up by not using the sword 5 minutes earlier. That's what you would do. Not all people deal with pressure in the same way. Some people don't deal with pressure gracefully at all. And there was a ton of pressure on her for this fight, I'm sure you would accept that. Plus, weren't communications knocked out due to the EMP? I can't remember real clearly on that point. Even if they were up, it could have been taken as "well, they are just choosing to fight without it so lets not backseat pilot". Gypsy had plenty of other weapons, many of which Releigh was familiar/comfortable with.
How can you even argue it has something to do with logic, its just to make the fights more exciting^^
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On July 21 2013 04:56 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 04:50 Faster69 wrote:On July 21 2013 04:49 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 21 2013 04:12 Faster69 wrote:On July 21 2013 03:16 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 21 2013 01:24 Faster69 wrote:
Saw it expecting alot with all this talk and good reviews. And it was good but i was a bit let down. The action was pretty meh, sure it had good scenes but the fighting was pretty repetitive imo. Id pick transformers anyday. At least transformers had better eye candy, cool transformations and the action was much cooler and better paced. But Pacific Rim was still a pretty good movie but I was a bit dissapointed. I haven't even seen this movie and I know that's just wrong. Transformers is one of the worst things ever made. You haven't seen it, therefore what you say is irrelevant. Transformers was so bad that there is literally no movie that could be worse than it. There are equally bad movies, but nothing worse. It just BARELY qualified as a movie itself. Just stop while you're ahead http://redlettermedia.com/half-in-the-bag/transformers-dark-of-the-moon/I think you need this. It will help you understand and begin the healing process.
Man, I was stoked for this because their reviews of the Star Wars prequels were soooooo good!
...but for a guy who hasn't seen that transformers it doesn't do a fantastic job. I mean, I get it, there is apparently no continuity of events in the film, but telling me that for twenty five minutes gets a little old... I'm guessing I'd enjoy that way more if I had watched that movie though, but that's generally not what movie reviews are for. Gonna checkout their review of pacific rim now.
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On July 21 2013 16:00 Snotling wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 15:53 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:41 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 15:34 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:32 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 15:25 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:20 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 15:14 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:07 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 14:47 Mordanis wrote:
Wow, didn't think so many people would talk about the plot of a movie like this. It'd probably be much more efficient for everyone involved to simply turn their brains off and shout "ELBOW ROCKET ROBOT PUNCH!!!!! SPACE DINOSAURS!!!!! NUKES! WALKING TALL BUT WITH ROBOTS!". In all seriousness, if you watch movies like this to satisfy an urge for character development or subtle plots ... you probably missed the point. I'm willing to believe in the premise but when an experienced pilot forgets they have a sword it makes it very hard to suspend disbelief. That didn't happen, at least not how you were saying. Raleigh was an experience pilot, and indeed he did not know about the sword. However, the Gypsy Danger he is used to piloting, the one from the beginning of the movie, did not have a sword on it. After Gypsy barely managed to fight off that first Kaiju, Gypsy was basically decommissioned, and then later rebuilt/refurbished. So by the time the "present" rolls around in the movie, Raleigh is brought back after a long time, and Gypsy has some new toys on it that he was unaware of. And due to circumstances, they weren't able to test all of their equipment. Mako DID know about the sword, because she was the one in charge of its refurbishment. And you can't call her anything other than an inexperienced newbie, which would explain why she would forget about the sword until the end. I knew someone would say this. It still doesn't make sense. You've got a revamped machine how the fuck do you not at least find out the specs and know what weapons you have available before going into combat? If my life's on the line as a pilot coming back after 5+ years I'm definitely going to find out the basic functions of my battle robot (like it's secondary weapon). I also don't care how inexperienced you are, your first thought in combat should be using weapons rather than fists. It's like being in Afghanistan and forgetting to use your gun cause you're a rookie. And in response to the followup "stop poking holes, they did the punching cause it's cooler," you can still have plenty of melee action but it doesn't hurt to break the sword/overheat the plasma gun first so it makes sense. The one single test they went through went to shit when Mako fucked up the Drifting. Afterwards, they weren't even supposed to be deployed. Releigh had no opportunity to find out what all new stuff was on his machine. They only went out because Striker Eureka got EMP'd, and Gypsy could still move. And the sword is not Gypsy's main weapon, so your Afganistan comparison is moot. Fine, Raleigh maybe didn't know about the sword. It still doesn't make sense for Mako to forget the sword in favour of fist fighting for so long. Well, like I said, I can just accept that as Mako being an experienced noob in her first battle with the fate of the world on their collective shoulders. It doesn't matter, you don't just forget one of your two main weapons. It split a Kaiju in half later in the movie ffs. You're scared of dying and the world is at stake so you get the fucking sword out instead of fists. She's spent her whole life around these machines and in training, I have no idea how you can accept she'd just forget the sword. Even then the people in the com's center would be like, get your freaking sword out, what the hell are you doing?? It was made even worse when the commander said their fighting was the best he'd ever seen, when they'd clearly fucked up by not using the sword 5 minutes earlier. That's what you would do. Not all people deal with pressure in the same way. Some people don't deal with pressure gracefully at all. And there was a ton of pressure on her for this fight, I'm sure you would accept that. Plus, weren't communications knocked out due to the EMP? I can't remember real clearly on that point. Even if they were up, it could have been taken as "well, they are just choosing to fight without it so lets not backseat pilot". Gypsy had plenty of other weapons, many of which Releigh was familiar/comfortable with. How can you even argue it has something to do with logic, its just to make the fights more exciting^^
And I'd argue that the fights would be more exciting if they used the stronger weapons first (like any sentient person would) and have them disabled before getting into the punching.
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On July 21 2013 15:59 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 15:53 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:41 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 15:34 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:32 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 15:25 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:20 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 15:14 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:07 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 14:47 Mordanis wrote:
Wow, didn't think so many people would talk about the plot of a movie like this. It'd probably be much more efficient for everyone involved to simply turn their brains off and shout "ELBOW ROCKET ROBOT PUNCH!!!!! SPACE DINOSAURS!!!!! NUKES! WALKING TALL BUT WITH ROBOTS!". In all seriousness, if you watch movies like this to satisfy an urge for character development or subtle plots ... you probably missed the point. I'm willing to believe in the premise but when an experienced pilot forgets they have a sword it makes it very hard to suspend disbelief. That didn't happen, at least not how you were saying. Raleigh was an experience pilot, and indeed he did not know about the sword. However, the Gypsy Danger he is used to piloting, the one from the beginning of the movie, did not have a sword on it. After Gypsy barely managed to fight off that first Kaiju, Gypsy was basically decommissioned, and then later rebuilt/refurbished. So by the time the "present" rolls around in the movie, Raleigh is brought back after a long time, and Gypsy has some new toys on it that he was unaware of. And due to circumstances, they weren't able to test all of their equipment. Mako DID know about the sword, because she was the one in charge of its refurbishment. And you can't call her anything other than an inexperienced newbie, which would explain why she would forget about the sword until the end. I knew someone would say this. It still doesn't make sense. You've got a revamped machine how the fuck do you not at least find out the specs and know what weapons you have available before going into combat? If my life's on the line as a pilot coming back after 5+ years I'm definitely going to find out the basic functions of my battle robot (like it's secondary weapon). I also don't care how inexperienced you are, your first thought in combat should be using weapons rather than fists. It's like being in Afghanistan and forgetting to use your gun cause you're a rookie. And in response to the followup "stop poking holes, they did the punching cause it's cooler," you can still have plenty of melee action but it doesn't hurt to break the sword/overheat the plasma gun first so it makes sense. The one single test they went through went to shit when Mako fucked up the Drifting. Afterwards, they weren't even supposed to be deployed. Releigh had no opportunity to find out what all new stuff was on his machine. They only went out because Striker Eureka got EMP'd, and Gypsy could still move. And the sword is not Gypsy's main weapon, so your Afganistan comparison is moot. Fine, Raleigh maybe didn't know about the sword. It still doesn't make sense for Mako to forget the sword in favour of fist fighting for so long. Well, like I said, I can just accept that as Mako being an experienced noob in her first battle with the fate of the world on their collective shoulders. It doesn't matter, you don't just forget one of your two main weapons. It split a Kaiju in half later in the movie ffs. You're scared of dying and the world is at stake so you get the fucking sword out instead of fists. She's spent her whole life around these machines and in training, I have no idea how you can accept she'd just forget the sword. Even then the people in the com's center would be like, get your freaking sword out, what the hell are you doing?? It was made even worse when the commander said their fighting was the best he'd ever seen, when they'd clearly fucked up by not using the sword 5 minutes earlier. That's what you would do. Not all people deal with pressure in the same way. Some people don't deal with pressure gracefully at all. And there was a ton of pressure on her for this fight, I'm sure you would accept that. Plus, weren't communications knocked out due to the EMP? I can't remember real clearly on that point. Even if they were up, it could have been taken as "well, they are just choosing to fight without it so lets not backseat pilot". Gypsy had plenty of other weapons, many of which Releigh was familiar/comfortable with. I agree that people can fuck up badly under pressure, but it just doesn't cover it. You're in a fighting machine and you're forgetting one of your two main weapons for entire fights while your partner decides to use a boat and cargo containers instead.
Okay, how bout this. She didn't forget, she just decided that it was a lot cooler to beat things to death with a cargo ship and elbow rocket punches, so she kept it a secret till she really had to bust out the sword.
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Seen this in IMAX 3D and thoroughly enjoyed it. Sucks for others that didn't, but I at least did, which is what I only care about.
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On July 21 2013 16:19 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 15:59 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 15:53 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:41 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 15:34 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:32 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 15:25 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:20 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 15:14 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:07 Scarecrow wrote:
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I'm willing to believe in the premise but when an experienced pilot forgets they have a sword it makes it very hard to suspend disbelief. That didn't happen, at least not how you were saying. Raleigh was an experience pilot, and indeed he did not know about the sword. However, the Gypsy Danger he is used to piloting, the one from the beginning of the movie, did not have a sword on it. After Gypsy barely managed to fight off that first Kaiju, Gypsy was basically decommissioned, and then later rebuilt/refurbished. So by the time the "present" rolls around in the movie, Raleigh is brought back after a long time, and Gypsy has some new toys on it that he was unaware of. And due to circumstances, they weren't able to test all of their equipment. Mako DID know about the sword, because she was the one in charge of its refurbishment. And you can't call her anything other than an inexperienced newbie, which would explain why she would forget about the sword until the end. I knew someone would say this. It still doesn't make sense. You've got a revamped machine how the fuck do you not at least find out the specs and know what weapons you have available before going into combat? If my life's on the line as a pilot coming back after 5+ years I'm definitely going to find out the basic functions of my battle robot (like it's secondary weapon). I also don't care how inexperienced you are, your first thought in combat should be using weapons rather than fists. It's like being in Afghanistan and forgetting to use your gun cause you're a rookie. And in response to the followup "stop poking holes, they did the punching cause it's cooler," you can still have plenty of melee action but it doesn't hurt to break the sword/overheat the plasma gun first so it makes sense. The one single test they went through went to shit when Mako fucked up the Drifting. Afterwards, they weren't even supposed to be deployed. Releigh had no opportunity to find out what all new stuff was on his machine. They only went out because Striker Eureka got EMP'd, and Gypsy could still move. And the sword is not Gypsy's main weapon, so your Afganistan comparison is moot. Fine, Raleigh maybe didn't know about the sword. It still doesn't make sense for Mako to forget the sword in favour of fist fighting for so long. Well, like I said, I can just accept that as Mako being an experienced noob in her first battle with the fate of the world on their collective shoulders. It doesn't matter, you don't just forget one of your two main weapons. It split a Kaiju in half later in the movie ffs. You're scared of dying and the world is at stake so you get the fucking sword out instead of fists. She's spent her whole life around these machines and in training, I have no idea how you can accept she'd just forget the sword. Even then the people in the com's center would be like, get your freaking sword out, what the hell are you doing?? It was made even worse when the commander said their fighting was the best he'd ever seen, when they'd clearly fucked up by not using the sword 5 minutes earlier. That's what you would do. Not all people deal with pressure in the same way. Some people don't deal with pressure gracefully at all. And there was a ton of pressure on her for this fight, I'm sure you would accept that. Plus, weren't communications knocked out due to the EMP? I can't remember real clearly on that point. Even if they were up, it could have been taken as "well, they are just choosing to fight without it so lets not backseat pilot". Gypsy had plenty of other weapons, many of which Releigh was familiar/comfortable with. I agree that people can fuck up badly under pressure, but it just doesn't cover it. You're in a fighting machine and you're forgetting one of your two main weapons for entire fights while your partner decides to use a boat and cargo containers instead. Okay, how bout this. She didn't forget, she just decided that it was a lot cooler to beat things to death with a cargo ship and elbow rocket punches, so she kept it a secret till she really had to bust out the sword.
So she's not a believable character and would jeopardize her adopted father's mission and the fate of the planet to do cool punches? It's not worth defending, it had as much logic as a Power Ranger battle
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It just sounds to me like you have real problems with suspension of disbelief about a movie about giant fighting robots. Not much more I can say on the matter.
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On July 21 2013 14:47 Mordanis wrote:
Wow, didn't think so many people would talk about the plot of a movie like this. It'd probably be much more efficient for everyone involved to simply turn their brains off and shout "ELBOW ROCKET ROBOT PUNCH!!!!! SPACE DINOSAURS!!!!! NUKES! WALKING TALL BUT WITH ROBOTS!". In all seriousness, if you watch movies like this to satisfy an urge for character development or subtle plots ... you probably missed the point.
You're missing the point, which revolves around the concept of going too far. If a dumb plot is required to build the premise for giant robots and monsters, and minimal focus on characters to maximize the robot eye-candy screentime, that's fine. If you make all those things too terrible in a way that looks a lot more like lazy/careless/bad writing than cool writing, then it's bad.
It's not like Pacific Rim wanted to dodge the characterization entirely anyway. If they did, they would have ditched the whole concept of "mind-melding-memory-sharing-emotional-bond" nonsense, and they would have simply made robots single-pilot. Would have been simpler, cooler, more appropriate to the genre, way easier to execute, and the godawful writing and characterization wouldn't have stood out so much as characters wouldn't need to try to interact on some deeply emotional level. Also piloting an awesome giant robot would look less like an awkward Kinect family ad.
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Netherlands19135 Posts
Terrible movie, enjoyed it alot. Pure brainless entertainment with terrible plotholes and comments and events that fail to make any sense. That all said, the action scenes with their music were just aaawwwwsssooommmeeeeee! Could have been so much more but it delivered exactly what I expected. Had fun.
it had as much logic as a Power Ranger battle
Excellent comparisson :D.
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On July 21 2013 16:44 Sentenal wrote:
It just sounds to me like you have real problems with suspension of disbelief about a movie about giant fighting robots. Not much more I can say on the matter.
I'm fine with suspending disbelief and believing in giant robots and rift aliens for the sake of enjoying the movie. The premise isn't the issue. The problem comes when they ask me to follow characters who don't act in a remotely believable manner. The worst thing is it's stuff that could easily be fixed whilst keeping a similar amount of punching but it seems they knew their tickets were already sold by the trailer so didn't bother.
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