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Saw it in IMAX 3D.
Story and plot were non-existant, but I expected as much.
+ Show Spoiler +Humans: Let's build a huge wall!
Kajiu: *deploys wings and flies*
I mean...really?!
The fights in IMAX were just plain awesome, the sheer amount of volume and effects when punches land was something else.
Had a lot of fun watching, doubt it will be as cool on Blu-Ray at home though.
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On July 21 2013 15:59 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 15:53 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:41 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 15:34 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:32 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 15:25 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:20 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 15:14 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:07 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 14:47 Mordanis wrote:
Wow, didn't think so many people would talk about the plot of a movie like this. It'd probably be much more efficient for everyone involved to simply turn their brains off and shout "ELBOW ROCKET ROBOT PUNCH!!!!! SPACE DINOSAURS!!!!! NUKES! WALKING TALL BUT WITH ROBOTS!". In all seriousness, if you watch movies like this to satisfy an urge for character development or subtle plots ... you probably missed the point. I'm willing to believe in the premise but when an experienced pilot forgets they have a sword it makes it very hard to suspend disbelief. That didn't happen, at least not how you were saying. Raleigh was an experience pilot, and indeed he did not know about the sword. However, the Gypsy Danger he is used to piloting, the one from the beginning of the movie, did not have a sword on it. After Gypsy barely managed to fight off that first Kaiju, Gypsy was basically decommissioned, and then later rebuilt/refurbished. So by the time the "present" rolls around in the movie, Raleigh is brought back after a long time, and Gypsy has some new toys on it that he was unaware of. And due to circumstances, they weren't able to test all of their equipment. Mako DID know about the sword, because she was the one in charge of its refurbishment. And you can't call her anything other than an inexperienced newbie, which would explain why she would forget about the sword until the end. I knew someone would say this. It still doesn't make sense. You've got a revamped machine how the fuck do you not at least find out the specs and know what weapons you have available before going into combat? If my life's on the line as a pilot coming back after 5+ years I'm definitely going to find out the basic functions of my battle robot (like it's secondary weapon). I also don't care how inexperienced you are, your first thought in combat should be using weapons rather than fists. It's like being in Afghanistan and forgetting to use your gun cause you're a rookie. And in response to the followup "stop poking holes, they did the punching cause it's cooler," you can still have plenty of melee action but it doesn't hurt to break the sword/overheat the plasma gun first so it makes sense. The one single test they went through went to shit when Mako fucked up the Drifting. Afterwards, they weren't even supposed to be deployed. Releigh had no opportunity to find out what all new stuff was on his machine. They only went out because Striker Eureka got EMP'd, and Gypsy could still move. And the sword is not Gypsy's main weapon, so your Afganistan comparison is moot. Fine, Raleigh maybe didn't know about the sword. It still doesn't make sense for Mako to forget the sword in favour of fist fighting for so long. Well, like I said, I can just accept that as Mako being an experienced noob in her first battle with the fate of the world on their collective shoulders. It doesn't matter, you don't just forget one of your two main weapons. It split a Kaiju in half later in the movie ffs. You're scared of dying and the world is at stake so you get the fucking sword out instead of fists. She's spent her whole life around these machines and in training, I have no idea how you can accept she'd just forget the sword. Even then the people in the com's center would be like, get your freaking sword out, what the hell are you doing?? It was made even worse when the commander said their fighting was the best he'd ever seen, when they'd clearly fucked up by not using the sword 5 minutes earlier. That's what you would do. Not all people deal with pressure in the same way. Some people don't deal with pressure gracefully at all. And there was a ton of pressure on her for this fight, I'm sure you would accept that. Plus, weren't communications knocked out due to the EMP? I can't remember real clearly on that point. Even if they were up, it could have been taken as "well, they are just choosing to fight without it so lets not backseat pilot". Gypsy had plenty of other weapons, many of which Releigh was familiar/comfortable with. I agree that people can fuck up badly under pressure, but it just doesn't cover it. You're in a fighting machine and you're forgetting one of your two main weapons for entire fights while your partner decides to use a boat and cargo containers instead.
You are forgetting that this movie is a giant live action anime. Go watch every giant robot anime every and they will deploy their "secret" weapon at the last moment to surprise their opponent and turn the tide of battle. It is a classic, nonsensical trope of the genera and logic shouldn't really be applied to it. Yes, it is bad writing, but that is kinda the point. That is how giant robot anime works. It is all a bunch of nonsense so we can get to the giant robots fighting each other with dumb weapons.
I mean, what machine can vent so much coolant that it freezes the tail off of a monster and then there is no negative effect on the robot? None, because that shit is non-sense and we love them for it.
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Holy shit, some of the comments in this thread are...hilarious.
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On July 22 2013 00:30 Nick! wrote:
Holy shit, some of the comments in this thread are...hilarious.
They are pretty funny. I like all the ones about realism or how dumb the idea of the wall was. Because mankind has never build really dumb walls before or thought really dumb things would work.
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On July 21 2013 21:06 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 15:59 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 15:53 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:41 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 15:34 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:32 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 15:25 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:20 Scarecrow wrote:On July 21 2013 15:14 Sentenal wrote:On July 21 2013 15:07 Scarecrow wrote:
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I'm willing to believe in the premise but when an experienced pilot forgets they have a sword it makes it very hard to suspend disbelief. That didn't happen, at least not how you were saying. Raleigh was an experience pilot, and indeed he did not know about the sword. However, the Gypsy Danger he is used to piloting, the one from the beginning of the movie, did not have a sword on it. After Gypsy barely managed to fight off that first Kaiju, Gypsy was basically decommissioned, and then later rebuilt/refurbished. So by the time the "present" rolls around in the movie, Raleigh is brought back after a long time, and Gypsy has some new toys on it that he was unaware of. And due to circumstances, they weren't able to test all of their equipment. Mako DID know about the sword, because she was the one in charge of its refurbishment. And you can't call her anything other than an inexperienced newbie, which would explain why she would forget about the sword until the end. I knew someone would say this. It still doesn't make sense. You've got a revamped machine how the fuck do you not at least find out the specs and know what weapons you have available before going into combat? If my life's on the line as a pilot coming back after 5+ years I'm definitely going to find out the basic functions of my battle robot (like it's secondary weapon). I also don't care how inexperienced you are, your first thought in combat should be using weapons rather than fists. It's like being in Afghanistan and forgetting to use your gun cause you're a rookie. And in response to the followup "stop poking holes, they did the punching cause it's cooler," you can still have plenty of melee action but it doesn't hurt to break the sword/overheat the plasma gun first so it makes sense. The one single test they went through went to shit when Mako fucked up the Drifting. Afterwards, they weren't even supposed to be deployed. Releigh had no opportunity to find out what all new stuff was on his machine. They only went out because Striker Eureka got EMP'd, and Gypsy could still move. And the sword is not Gypsy's main weapon, so your Afganistan comparison is moot. Fine, Raleigh maybe didn't know about the sword. It still doesn't make sense for Mako to forget the sword in favour of fist fighting for so long. Well, like I said, I can just accept that as Mako being an experienced noob in her first battle with the fate of the world on their collective shoulders. It doesn't matter, you don't just forget one of your two main weapons. It split a Kaiju in half later in the movie ffs. You're scared of dying and the world is at stake so you get the fucking sword out instead of fists. She's spent her whole life around these machines and in training, I have no idea how you can accept she'd just forget the sword. Even then the people in the com's center would be like, get your freaking sword out, what the hell are you doing?? It was made even worse when the commander said their fighting was the best he'd ever seen, when they'd clearly fucked up by not using the sword 5 minutes earlier. That's what you would do. Not all people deal with pressure in the same way. Some people don't deal with pressure gracefully at all. And there was a ton of pressure on her for this fight, I'm sure you would accept that. Plus, weren't communications knocked out due to the EMP? I can't remember real clearly on that point. Even if they were up, it could have been taken as "well, they are just choosing to fight without it so lets not backseat pilot". Gypsy had plenty of other weapons, many of which Releigh was familiar/comfortable with. I agree that people can fuck up badly under pressure, but it just doesn't cover it. You're in a fighting machine and you're forgetting one of your two main weapons for entire fights while your partner decides to use a boat and cargo containers instead. You are forgetting that this movie is a giant live action anime. Go watch every giant robot anime every and they will deploy their "secret" weapon at the last moment to surprise their opponent and turn the tide of battle. It is a classic, nonsensical trope of the genera and logic shouldn't really be applied to it. Yes, it is bad writing, but that is kinda the point. That is how giant robot anime works. It is all a bunch of nonsense so we can get to the giant robots fighting each other with dumb weapons. I mean, what machine can vent so much coolant that it freezes the tail off of a monster and then there is no negative effect on the robot? None, because that shit is non-sense and we love them for it.
Lol, I can assure you I don't need any lessons on giant robot mecha anime tropes. At leastin the Anime Discussion Thread, I'm like the biggest mecha fan there. I know a trope when I see it, but that also doesn't mean they are always deployed nonsensically and without basis. Sometimes it is nonsensical, sometimes its not. Nothing wrong with trying to reason it out.
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On July 22 2013 00:51 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 00:30 Nick! wrote:
Holy shit, some of the comments in this thread are...hilarious. They are pretty funny. I like all the ones about realism or how dumb the idea of the wall was. Because mankind has never build really dumb walls before or thought really dumb things would work.
Your examples of really dumb walls mankind has built is equally stupid.
The great wall of China wasn't finished when the mongols conquered China, after it was finished the mongols never came again, so....
Trying to suggest the Atlantic "wall" even fits into this comparison is pretty laughable.
I think you mentioned something about the Maginot line? See above.
The Berlin wall was pretty damn effective and without it most of the USSR satellite states would have fell apart.
I agree with your point but stop bringing up mankind's past walls, makes me cringe every time.
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On July 22 2013 01:32 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 00:51 Plansix wrote:On July 22 2013 00:30 Nick! wrote:
Holy shit, some of the comments in this thread are...hilarious. They are pretty funny. I like all the ones about realism or how dumb the idea of the wall was. Because mankind has never build really dumb walls before or thought really dumb things would work. Your examples of really dumb walls mankind has built is equally stupid. The great wall of China wasn't finished when the mongols conquered China, after it was finished the mongols never came again, so.... Trying to suggest the Atlantic "wall" even fits into this comparison is pretty laughable. I think you mentioned something about the Maginot line? See above. The Berlin wall was pretty damn effective and without it most of the USSR satellite states would have fell apart. I agree with your point but stop bringing up mankind's past walls, makes me cringe every time.
I never said they were a good idea, they are just a thing that mankind does because they are silly. In times of war, people invest in stupid ideas. In WW2 the US tried to build a plane that could crash through other planes, cutting off the tail. Russia and Germany kept building bigger tanks until they were so large they destroyed roads(which sort of makes the tank limited in what it can do) and that could run under water. The Japanese built plane that had not armor and were super fast, relying on ace pilots to win, not thinking what they would do when those pilots died. All those dumb ideas are from one war that lasted less than 10 years.
War is littered with stupid ideas that failed and its how it always is. People try stuff, it fails and they try something else. The wall is not different.
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Dude, you can't bring your sword and show off all the time. Da alien will know and avoid it and break your sword. It's all about the element of surprise huehue
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On July 22 2013 01:48 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 01:32 Feartheguru wrote:On July 22 2013 00:51 Plansix wrote:On July 22 2013 00:30 Nick! wrote:
Holy shit, some of the comments in this thread are...hilarious. They are pretty funny. I like all the ones about realism or how dumb the idea of the wall was. Because mankind has never build really dumb walls before or thought really dumb things would work. Your examples of really dumb walls mankind has built is equally stupid. The great wall of China wasn't finished when the mongols conquered China, after it was finished the mongols never came again, so.... Trying to suggest the Atlantic "wall" even fits into this comparison is pretty laughable. I think you mentioned something about the Maginot line? See above. The Berlin wall was pretty damn effective and without it most of the USSR satellite states would have fell apart. I agree with your point but stop bringing up mankind's past walls, makes me cringe every time. I never said they were a good idea, they are just a thing that mankind does because they are silly. In times of war, people invest in stupid ideas. In WW2 the US tried to build a plane that could crash through other planes, cutting off the tail. Russia and Germany kept building bigger tanks until they were so large they destroyed roads(which sort of makes the tank limited in what it can do) and that could run under water. The Japanese built plane that had not armor and were super fast, relying on ace pilots to win, not thinking what they would do when those pilots died. All those dumb ideas are from one war that lasted less than 10 years. War is littered with stupid ideas that failed and its how it always is. People try stuff, it fails and they try something else. The wall is not different.
Do you really think the Japanese didn't think of the tradeoff when they made their fighter planes fast and agile as opposed to more rugged like the American counterparts, this has to be a joke. The Zero was considered one of the best planes during the time and dominated when it was first introduced. Why do you think the Germans and Russian leaned towards heavier and heavier tanks as the war progressed and for the most part stopped production of light infantry support tanks? Because you're the only one smart enough to figure out that they were bad?
This just supports my point, you're constantly making ridiculous comparisons with no semblance of reality.
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On July 22 2013 02:25 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 01:48 Plansix wrote:On July 22 2013 01:32 Feartheguru wrote:On July 22 2013 00:51 Plansix wrote:On July 22 2013 00:30 Nick! wrote:
Holy shit, some of the comments in this thread are...hilarious. They are pretty funny. I like all the ones about realism or how dumb the idea of the wall was. Because mankind has never build really dumb walls before or thought really dumb things would work. Your examples of really dumb walls mankind has built is equally stupid. The great wall of China wasn't finished when the mongols conquered China, after it was finished the mongols never came again, so.... Trying to suggest the Atlantic "wall" even fits into this comparison is pretty laughable. I think you mentioned something about the Maginot line? See above. The Berlin wall was pretty damn effective and without it most of the USSR satellite states would have fell apart. I agree with your point but stop bringing up mankind's past walls, makes me cringe every time. I never said they were a good idea, they are just a thing that mankind does because they are silly. In times of war, people invest in stupid ideas. In WW2 the US tried to build a plane that could crash through other planes, cutting off the tail. Russia and Germany kept building bigger tanks until they were so large they destroyed roads(which sort of makes the tank limited in what it can do) and that could run under water. The Japanese built plane that had not armor and were super fast, relying on ace pilots to win, not thinking what they would do when those pilots died. All those dumb ideas are from one war that lasted less than 10 years. War is littered with stupid ideas that failed and its how it always is. People try stuff, it fails and they try something else. The wall is not different. Do you really think the Japanese didn't think of the tradeoff when they made their fighter planes fast and agile as opposed to more rugged like the American counterparts, this has to be a joke. The Zero was considered one of the best planes during the time and dominated when it was first introduced. Why do you think the Germans and Russian leaned towards heavier and heavier tanks as the war progressed and for the most part stopped production of light infantry support tanks? Because you're the only one smart enough to figure out that they were bad? This just supports my point, you're constantly making ridiculous comparisons with no semblance of reality.
This argument is dumb lol. Pointing out that they planned it out doesn't make his point null and void. Most things like that are fully thought out, it doesn't mean that they were worth it in the end. He never said there was not a reason for these things, just that they happened and it wasn't the best choice in the long run, which makes it a stupid idea.hindsight and all. I dont know why you cant see that =o
For most stupid ideas that take a long time to accomplish, there is a plan and there is a reason for doing it in the first place otherwise it would not have happened in the first place.
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I don't like the direction hollywood is generally going. Seriously latest movies are all about cgi effects and story build up, consistency and logic close to non-existant at all. Damn, maybe i am getting old.
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Erm.. why didn't they just build the wall around the rift lol
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On July 22 2013 02:39 Aelfric wrote:
I don't like the direction hollywood is generally going. Seriously latest movies are all about cgi effects and story build up, consistency and logic close to non-existant at all. Damn, maybe i am getting old.
I'm only 21, but I have the same feeling as you.
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On July 22 2013 03:17 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 02:39 Aelfric wrote:
I don't like the direction hollywood is generally going. Seriously latest movies are all about cgi effects and story build up, consistency and logic close to non-existant at all. Damn, maybe i am getting old. It has been this way for awhile now and it will probably continue to get worse as CGI improves. Based off a lot of the comments in this thread though it seems some people are happy about that :/
I bet it was like this since the beginning, not just for a while. The amount of movies you think are excellent might not go down at all. You are just acknowledging all of today's movies you don't like which you can't do for the movies of the last few decades as those are never mentioned and simply forgotten.
If this is true... nothing bad will ever happen, so you don't have to be worried you won't get to see stuff you love in the future. 
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It was a good movie, BUT. Why do women always have to fuck up these kind of movies, the whole thing would have been so much better if they just had left that annoying girl out and gave him a half decent co-pilot. Seriously, she probably is one of the worst characters in modern cinema..
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On July 22 2013 02:01 canikizu wrote:
Dude, you can't bring your sword and show off all the time. Da alien will know and avoid it and break your sword. It's all about the element of surprise huehue
To be fair, the main guy had no idea the sword existed b/c they had revamped GD since he last used it. Perhaps b/c of all the drama in the movie he never really had time to acclimate himself to the new weapons.
At the same time, Mako was brand new and overwhelmed by trying to pilot the Jaeger and, again, with all the shit happening may have just forgotten to mention it to generic good looking dude.
Even then, they've made it clear in the movie and interviews that you want to avoid spilling much Kaiju blood into the ocean at all costs. That's why they rely on killing with blunt trauma in the oceans (Dunno about the Chinese Jaeger though). Maybe they didn't think they were in a life threatening situation until then. However this isn't as likely.
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On July 22 2013 04:10 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 02:01 canikizu wrote:
Dude, you can't bring your sword and show off all the time. Da alien will know and avoid it and break your sword. It's all about the element of surprise huehue
T Even then, they've made it clear in the movie and interviews that you want to avoid spilling much Kaiju blood into the ocean at all costs. That's why they rely on killing with blunt trauma in the oceans (Dunno about the Chinese Jaeger though). Maybe they didn't think they were in a life threatening situation until then. However this isn't as likely.
Yeah... the last working Jäger in the world is about to get his shit kicked in, but "better look out for the ocean", this makes no sense and you know it.
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On July 22 2013 02:35 actionbastrd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 02:25 Feartheguru wrote:On July 22 2013 01:48 Plansix wrote:On July 22 2013 01:32 Feartheguru wrote:On July 22 2013 00:51 Plansix wrote:On July 22 2013 00:30 Nick! wrote:
Holy shit, some of the comments in this thread are...hilarious. They are pretty funny. I like all the ones about realism or how dumb the idea of the wall was. Because mankind has never build really dumb walls before or thought really dumb things would work. Your examples of really dumb walls mankind has built is equally stupid. The great wall of China wasn't finished when the mongols conquered China, after it was finished the mongols never came again, so.... Trying to suggest the Atlantic "wall" even fits into this comparison is pretty laughable. I think you mentioned something about the Maginot line? See above. The Berlin wall was pretty damn effective and without it most of the USSR satellite states would have fell apart. I agree with your point but stop bringing up mankind's past walls, makes me cringe every time. I never said they were a good idea, they are just a thing that mankind does because they are silly. In times of war, people invest in stupid ideas. In WW2 the US tried to build a plane that could crash through other planes, cutting off the tail. Russia and Germany kept building bigger tanks until they were so large they destroyed roads(which sort of makes the tank limited in what it can do) and that could run under water. The Japanese built plane that had not armor and were super fast, relying on ace pilots to win, not thinking what they would do when those pilots died. All those dumb ideas are from one war that lasted less than 10 years. War is littered with stupid ideas that failed and its how it always is. People try stuff, it fails and they try something else. The wall is not different. Do you really think the Japanese didn't think of the tradeoff when they made their fighter planes fast and agile as opposed to more rugged like the American counterparts, this has to be a joke. The Zero was considered one of the best planes during the time and dominated when it was first introduced. Why do you think the Germans and Russian leaned towards heavier and heavier tanks as the war progressed and for the most part stopped production of light infantry support tanks? Because you're the only one smart enough to figure out that they were bad? This just supports my point, you're constantly making ridiculous comparisons with no semblance of reality. This argument is dumb lol. Pointing out that they planned it out doesn't make his point null and void. Most things like that are fully thought out, it doesn't mean that they were worth it in the end. He never said there was not a reason for these things, just that they happened and it wasn't the best choice in the long run, which makes it a stupid idea.hindsight and all. I dont know why you cant see that =o For most stupid ideas that take a long time to accomplish, there is a plan and there is a reason for doing it in the first place otherwise it would not have happened in the first place.
He pointed out it wasn't the best choice when it almost certainly was the best choice. Not sure why you can't see that =o
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On July 22 2013 04:35 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 02:35 actionbastrd wrote:On July 22 2013 02:25 Feartheguru wrote:On July 22 2013 01:48 Plansix wrote:On July 22 2013 01:32 Feartheguru wrote:On July 22 2013 00:51 Plansix wrote:On July 22 2013 00:30 Nick! wrote:
Holy shit, some of the comments in this thread are...hilarious. They are pretty funny. I like all the ones about realism or how dumb the idea of the wall was. Because mankind has never build really dumb walls before or thought really dumb things would work. Your examples of really dumb walls mankind has built is equally stupid. The great wall of China wasn't finished when the mongols conquered China, after it was finished the mongols never came again, so.... Trying to suggest the Atlantic "wall" even fits into this comparison is pretty laughable. I think you mentioned something about the Maginot line? See above. The Berlin wall was pretty damn effective and without it most of the USSR satellite states would have fell apart. I agree with your point but stop bringing up mankind's past walls, makes me cringe every time. I never said they were a good idea, they are just a thing that mankind does because they are silly. In times of war, people invest in stupid ideas. In WW2 the US tried to build a plane that could crash through other planes, cutting off the tail. Russia and Germany kept building bigger tanks until they were so large they destroyed roads(which sort of makes the tank limited in what it can do) and that could run under water. The Japanese built plane that had not armor and were super fast, relying on ace pilots to win, not thinking what they would do when those pilots died. All those dumb ideas are from one war that lasted less than 10 years. War is littered with stupid ideas that failed and its how it always is. People try stuff, it fails and they try something else. The wall is not different. Do you really think the Japanese didn't think of the tradeoff when they made their fighter planes fast and agile as opposed to more rugged like the American counterparts, this has to be a joke. The Zero was considered one of the best planes during the time and dominated when it was first introduced. Why do you think the Germans and Russian leaned towards heavier and heavier tanks as the war progressed and for the most part stopped production of light infantry support tanks? Because you're the only one smart enough to figure out that they were bad? This just supports my point, you're constantly making ridiculous comparisons with no semblance of reality. This argument is dumb lol. Pointing out that they planned it out doesn't make his point null and void. Most things like that are fully thought out, it doesn't mean that they were worth it in the end. He never said there was not a reason for these things, just that they happened and it wasn't the best choice in the long run, which makes it a stupid idea.hindsight and all. I dont know why you cant see that =o For most stupid ideas that take a long time to accomplish, there is a plan and there is a reason for doing it in the first place otherwise it would not have happened in the first place. He pointed out it wasn't the best choice when it almost certainly was the best choice. Not sure why you can't see that =o
No it wasn't, it was an idea that worked for a brief period of time, but failed in the long run. The Japanese Zero was an amazing plane until the Americas designed planes to be it and its light armament, which isn't shocking. The German and Russian super tanks(tanks larger than the Tiger, which was also to large) were pretty much failures across the board. And lets not forget the plane to fly through other planes. Or the Sherman tanks, which had all sorts of problems during WW2. And you can find examples of this in any war. The most recent Iraq war where the US didn't have Humvees that could withstand an IED.
Short sighted plans are common during war when people look for solutions to complex problems. I am not surprised that someone said "Lets build a wall to keep them out and we will gun them down with standard armaments." Its the kind of stupid plan desperate people would come up with.
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