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kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
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Last Edited: 2013-07-22 04:13:16
July 22 2013 04:12 GMT
#781
On July 22 2013 13:09 Plansix wrote:
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On July 22 2013 13:04 kwizach wrote:
On July 22 2013 12:59 Plansix wrote:
On July 22 2013 12:55 kwizach wrote:
On July 22 2013 12:49 Plansix wrote:
On July 22 2013 12:22 kwizach wrote:
On July 22 2013 12:00 Plansix wrote:
On July 22 2013 11:26 kwizach wrote:
On July 22 2013 11:23 Milkis wrote:
I'll leave this for now because it's getting late and I think I've made my point. This movie could have been much more than it was, but the writers/director apparently felt there was no need for anything else than cliché tropes and nonsensical storytelling as long as the action sequences were good. Such a waste. This was worth a 5.5 or a 6/10 for me, not more.


Sometimes, in order to highlight something beautiful, you make everything else everything tongue-in-cheek. You know for a fact that the movie isn't taking itself seriously -- there's in fact, big giveaways of this. IMO, the bad-acting and the cheesy lines and the very awkward drama is only there to highlight what matters -- Robots fighting monsters

I edited the conclusion to include something I mentioned earlier in the post, which is that it didn't need to take itself seriously to be way better than it was when it comes to the non-fighting scenes

Yes, but there is also no reason to obey logic or physics too.

There is. See the first part of my original post.

On July 22 2013 12:00 Plansix wrote:
People freaking out about the Wall is just silly. The portal at the bottom of the ocean and giant monsters is way sillier than dumb choices by the military.

Again, see the first part of my original post.

On July 22 2013 12:00 Plansix wrote:
As I said before, dumb ideas are part of war and people have them all the time. The french built this wall to keep the Germans out. The Germans drove around it.

Come on, you can't be serious with that comparison. The Maginot line could actually have been fully completed, didn't require way more resources than another way of shutting down the Germans, and would actually have made it way harder for the Germans to go through had it been completed where they attacked. It's too easy to call them both "bad ideas" without actually looking a little further and noticing that the PR wall is a way, way more stupid idea - and the decision to build it is taken by the entirety of humanity together in a life-or-death situation (with the experience of the Maginot line, I might add). In the movie, there is also a direct demonstration that it doesn't work when a kaiju goes through the Australian wall, yet the humans still proceed with their plans. If the Germans had happily rolled into France with a few tanks through Belgium before attacking with the rest of their army, you can bet that the French would have fortified the border with Belgian better and not simply kept their faith in the Maginot line.

I think comparing the magnitude of stupid in a general idea is a fool errand. Yes the wall was a bad idea, but they had no good ideas left. That is what happens when you are losing, you have no good options.

I'm pretty sure I explained well enough why your comparison was off the mark.
They had better options left than an idea that could not possibly work and was actually empirically proven not to work.

Yeah, well they had two options that that seemed to be failing. One that was failing and the other that had failed. No option was winning. They said, "We can't build the jaegers fast enough in the opening of the movie". They were losing.

Even if you only take into account the jaeger program vs the wall, one of these two options had so far resulted in the death of every single kaiju since its launch, while the other one had proven to be a failure after the first kaiju attack against it. I genuinely don't understand why you're so bent on defending a plot point that is so stupid it hurts, something you even admitted yourself earlier on in the thread.

Its all stupid, that is for sure. I totally agree in that line. I just don't think it hurt the movie in any way. The wall is dumb, but it was on a long list of dumb plans. The wall was a product of them losing. If look at the movie, they had 4 robots left. They lost two of them in a single fight and the two remaining robots also get destroyed. Nothing was going to work except for the crazy plan at the end of the movie.

That's the point - there was no need for the wall as a plot element. There was enough pressure on the jaeger program as it was, and there would have been other ways to put addition pressure on the program and increase the necessity to find a solution fast than including such a stupid plot point. I expand on this in my original post on the previous page: see here.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 22 2013 04:17 GMT
#782
On July 22 2013 13:12 kwizach wrote:
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On July 22 2013 13:09 Plansix wrote:
On July 22 2013 13:04 kwizach wrote:
On July 22 2013 12:59 Plansix wrote:
On July 22 2013 12:55 kwizach wrote:
On July 22 2013 12:49 Plansix wrote:
On July 22 2013 12:22 kwizach wrote:
On July 22 2013 12:00 Plansix wrote:
On July 22 2013 11:26 kwizach wrote:
On July 22 2013 11:23 Milkis wrote:
[quote]

Sometimes, in order to highlight something beautiful, you make everything else everything tongue-in-cheek. You know for a fact that the movie isn't taking itself seriously -- there's in fact, big giveaways of this. IMO, the bad-acting and the cheesy lines and the very awkward drama is only there to highlight what matters -- Robots fighting monsters

I edited the conclusion to include something I mentioned earlier in the post, which is that it didn't need to take itself seriously to be way better than it was when it comes to the non-fighting scenes

Yes, but there is also no reason to obey logic or physics too.

There is. See the first part of my original post.

On July 22 2013 12:00 Plansix wrote:
People freaking out about the Wall is just silly. The portal at the bottom of the ocean and giant monsters is way sillier than dumb choices by the military.

Again, see the first part of my original post.

On July 22 2013 12:00 Plansix wrote:
As I said before, dumb ideas are part of war and people have them all the time. The french built this wall to keep the Germans out. The Germans drove around it.

Come on, you can't be serious with that comparison. The Maginot line could actually have been fully completed, didn't require way more resources than another way of shutting down the Germans, and would actually have made it way harder for the Germans to go through had it been completed where they attacked. It's too easy to call them both "bad ideas" without actually looking a little further and noticing that the PR wall is a way, way more stupid idea - and the decision to build it is taken by the entirety of humanity together in a life-or-death situation (with the experience of the Maginot line, I might add). In the movie, there is also a direct demonstration that it doesn't work when a kaiju goes through the Australian wall, yet the humans still proceed with their plans. If the Germans had happily rolled into France with a few tanks through Belgium before attacking with the rest of their army, you can bet that the French would have fortified the border with Belgian better and not simply kept their faith in the Maginot line.

I think comparing the magnitude of stupid in a general idea is a fool errand. Yes the wall was a bad idea, but they had no good ideas left. That is what happens when you are losing, you have no good options.

I'm pretty sure I explained well enough why your comparison was off the mark.
They had better options left than an idea that could not possibly work and was actually empirically proven not to work.

Yeah, well they had two options that that seemed to be failing. One that was failing and the other that had failed. No option was winning. They said, "We can't build the jaegers fast enough in the opening of the movie". They were losing.

Even if you only take into account the jaeger program vs the wall, one of these two options had so far resulted in the death of every single kaiju since its launch, while the other one had proven to be a failure after the first kaiju attack against it. I genuinely don't understand why you're so bent on defending a plot point that is so stupid it hurts, something you even admitted yourself earlier on in the thread.

Its all stupid, that is for sure. I totally agree in that line. I just don't think it hurt the movie in any way. The wall is dumb, but it was on a long list of dumb plans. The wall was a product of them losing. If look at the movie, they had 4 robots left. They lost two of them in a single fight and the two remaining robots also get destroyed. Nothing was going to work except for the crazy plan at the end of the movie.

That's the point - there was no need for the wall as a plot element. There was enough pressure on the jaeger program as it was, and there would have been other ways to put addition pressure on the program and increase the necessity to find a solution fast than including such a stupid plot point. I expand on this in my original post on the previous page: see here.

They needed a plot point to pull all the jaegers to one spot, because there is little reason to do so, since they defending the coast line. Cutting the funding is easy enough, since it adds a sense of urgency to the plot, but the reason for the funding cut is not on screen.

And all giant robot movies need to have their funding cut. Thats how it always goes and then the pilots show the world how amazing they are and everyone loves robots again. This is standard for all giant robot anime, or they retire the "hero" robot because it is out of date.
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kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 04:29:31
July 22 2013 04:27 GMT
#783
On July 22 2013 13:17 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 13:12 kwizach wrote:
On July 22 2013 13:09 Plansix wrote:
On July 22 2013 13:04 kwizach wrote:
On July 22 2013 12:59 Plansix wrote:
On July 22 2013 12:55 kwizach wrote:
On July 22 2013 12:49 Plansix wrote:
On July 22 2013 12:22 kwizach wrote:
On July 22 2013 12:00 Plansix wrote:
On July 22 2013 11:26 kwizach wrote:
[quote]
I edited the conclusion to include something I mentioned earlier in the post, which is that it didn't need to take itself seriously to be way better than it was when it comes to the non-fighting scenes

Yes, but there is also no reason to obey logic or physics too.

There is. See the first part of my original post.

On July 22 2013 12:00 Plansix wrote:
People freaking out about the Wall is just silly. The portal at the bottom of the ocean and giant monsters is way sillier than dumb choices by the military.

Again, see the first part of my original post.

On July 22 2013 12:00 Plansix wrote:
As I said before, dumb ideas are part of war and people have them all the time. The french built this wall to keep the Germans out. The Germans drove around it.

Come on, you can't be serious with that comparison. The Maginot line could actually have been fully completed, didn't require way more resources than another way of shutting down the Germans, and would actually have made it way harder for the Germans to go through had it been completed where they attacked. It's too easy to call them both "bad ideas" without actually looking a little further and noticing that the PR wall is a way, way more stupid idea - and the decision to build it is taken by the entirety of humanity together in a life-or-death situation (with the experience of the Maginot line, I might add). In the movie, there is also a direct demonstration that it doesn't work when a kaiju goes through the Australian wall, yet the humans still proceed with their plans. If the Germans had happily rolled into France with a few tanks through Belgium before attacking with the rest of their army, you can bet that the French would have fortified the border with Belgian better and not simply kept their faith in the Maginot line.

I think comparing the magnitude of stupid in a general idea is a fool errand. Yes the wall was a bad idea, but they had no good ideas left. That is what happens when you are losing, you have no good options.

I'm pretty sure I explained well enough why your comparison was off the mark.
They had better options left than an idea that could not possibly work and was actually empirically proven not to work.

Yeah, well they had two options that that seemed to be failing. One that was failing and the other that had failed. No option was winning. They said, "We can't build the jaegers fast enough in the opening of the movie". They were losing.

Even if you only take into account the jaeger program vs the wall, one of these two options had so far resulted in the death of every single kaiju since its launch, while the other one had proven to be a failure after the first kaiju attack against it. I genuinely don't understand why you're so bent on defending a plot point that is so stupid it hurts, something you even admitted yourself earlier on in the thread.

Its all stupid, that is for sure. I totally agree in that line. I just don't think it hurt the movie in any way. The wall is dumb, but it was on a long list of dumb plans. The wall was a product of them losing. If look at the movie, they had 4 robots left. They lost two of them in a single fight and the two remaining robots also get destroyed. Nothing was going to work except for the crazy plan at the end of the movie.

That's the point - there was no need for the wall as a plot element. There was enough pressure on the jaeger program as it was, and there would have been other ways to put addition pressure on the program and increase the necessity to find a solution fast than including such a stupid plot point. I expand on this in my original post on the previous page: see here.

They needed a plot point to pull all the jaegers to one spot, because there is little reason to do so, since they defending the coast line. Cutting the funding is easy enough, since it adds a sense of urgency to the plot, but the reason for the funding cut is not on screen.

First, we could very well have had a Pacific Rim movie in which there were still plenty of jaeger left, even fifty, but in which the next wave was going to consist in 40 kaijus coming out, and the next wave after that 80, meaning the protagonists still had to find a solution immediately. This would have resulted in an "expedition team" of four jaegers together having to execute Elba's plan while the other jaegers were defending the various cities vs the 40 kaijus.
Second, even if you want to keep the jaeger number low, the plot point to put of all the jaegers together could simply have been that they were planning on executing the plan Elba came up with in the movie, and felt that since it was their only hope they needed to go for it with all remaining jaegers. No need for a wall program to exist for this to be the case.

On July 22 2013 13:17 Plansix wrote:
And all giant robot movies need to have their funding cut. Thats how it always goes and then the pilots show the world how amazing they are and everyone loves robots again. This is standard for all giant robot anime, or they retire the "hero" robot because it is out of date.

You are again presenting me with an argument I answered in the first part of my original post, so I'm just going to direct you to it again.
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openbox1
Profile Joined March 2011
1393 Posts
July 22 2013 04:30 GMT
#784
Wow... I'm just browsing through the last pages of these thread, and I must say some of you guys are really passionate about the science behind a movie about giant robots and monsters. Kudos!
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 04:50:38
July 22 2013 04:50 GMT
#785
On July 22 2013 13:30 openbox1 wrote:
Wow... I'm just browsing through the last pages of these thread, and I must say some of you guys are really passionate about the science behind a movie about giant robots and monsters. Kudos!

If you'd read it you'd know it's less about the science (which I had accepted) and more about simply being consistent in the world and its rules, and having characters behave in a somewhat believable manner.
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17Sphynx17
Profile Joined September 2011
580 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 04:51:25
July 22 2013 04:50 GMT
#786
On July 22 2013 13:27 kwizach wrote:
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On July 22 2013 13:17 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 13:12 kwizach wrote:
On July 22 2013 13:09 Plansix wrote:
On July 22 2013 13:04 kwizach wrote:
On July 22 2013 12:59 Plansix wrote:
On July 22 2013 12:55 kwizach wrote:
On July 22 2013 12:49 Plansix wrote:
On July 22 2013 12:22 kwizach wrote:
On July 22 2013 12:00 Plansix wrote:
On July 22 2013 11:26 kwizach wrote:
[quote]
I edited the conclusion to include something I mentioned earlier in the post, which is that it didn't need to take itself seriously to be way better than it was when it comes to the non-fighting scenes

Yes, but there is also no reason to obey logic or physics too.

There is. See the first part of my original post.

On July 22 2013 12:00 Plansix wrote:
People freaking out about the Wall is just silly. The portal at the bottom of the ocean and giant monsters is way sillier than dumb choices by the military.

Again, see the first part of my original post.

On July 22 2013 12:00 Plansix wrote:
As I said before, dumb ideas are part of war and people have them all the time. The french built this wall to keep the Germans out. The Germans drove around it.

Come on, you can't be serious with that comparison. The Maginot line could actually have been fully completed, didn't require way more resources than another way of shutting down the Germans, and would actually have made it way harder for the Germans to go through had it been completed where they attacked. It's too easy to call them both "bad ideas" without actually looking a little further and noticing that the PR wall is a way, way more stupid idea - and the decision to build it is taken by the entirety of humanity together in a life-or-death situation (with the experience of the Maginot line, I might add). In the movie, there is also a direct demonstration that it doesn't work when a kaiju goes through the Australian wall, yet the humans still proceed with their plans. If the Germans had happily rolled into France with a few tanks through Belgium before attacking with the rest of their army, you can bet that the French would have fortified the border with Belgian better and not simply kept their faith in the Maginot line.

I think comparing the magnitude of stupid in a general idea is a fool errand. Yes the wall was a bad idea, but they had no good ideas left. That is what happens when you are losing, you have no good options.

I'm pretty sure I explained well enough why your comparison was off the mark.
They had better options left than an idea that could not possibly work and was actually empirically proven not to work.

Yeah, well they had two options that that seemed to be failing. One that was failing and the other that had failed. No option was winning. They said, "We can't build the jaegers fast enough in the opening of the movie". They were losing.

Even if you only take into account the jaeger program vs the wall, one of these two options had so far resulted in the death of every single kaiju since its launch, while the other one had proven to be a failure after the first kaiju attack against it. I genuinely don't understand why you're so bent on defending a plot point that is so stupid it hurts, something you even admitted yourself earlier on in the thread.

Its all stupid, that is for sure. I totally agree in that line. I just don't think it hurt the movie in any way. The wall is dumb, but it was on a long list of dumb plans. The wall was a product of them losing. If look at the movie, they had 4 robots left. They lost two of them in a single fight and the two remaining robots also get destroyed. Nothing was going to work except for the crazy plan at the end of the movie.

That's the point - there was no need for the wall as a plot element. There was enough pressure on the jaeger program as it was, and there would have been other ways to put addition pressure on the program and increase the necessity to find a solution fast than including such a stupid plot point. I expand on this in my original post on the previous page: see here.

They needed a plot point to pull all the jaegers to one spot, because there is little reason to do so, since they defending the coast line. Cutting the funding is easy enough, since it adds a sense of urgency to the plot, but the reason for the funding cut is not on screen.


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[ First, we could very well have had a Pacific Rim movie in which there were still plenty of jaeger left, even fifty, but in which the next wave was going to consist in 40 kaijus coming out, and the next wave after that 80, meaning the protagonists still had to find a solution immediately. This would have resulted in an "expedition team" of four jaegers together having to execute Elba's plan while the other jaegers were defending the various cities vs the 40 kaijus.
Second, even if you want to keep the jaeger number low, the plot point to put of all the jaegers together could simply have been that they were planning on executing the plan Elba came up with in the movie, and felt that since it was their only hope they needed to go for it with all remaining jaegers. No need for a wall program to exist for this to be the case.
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Well, if you did it this way like you are suggesting now, you would then have complaints of Jaegers that now need to be really shown in the movie with a bunch of Kaijus fighting off-screen. Which would be the more epic fight but you would need to focus on the 4 Jaeger team only. So again, you'd have a "that just plain sucks scenario. I want to see robots v monsters duking it out not some lame plan to close the portal".

Plus, that would affect movie's budget I feel. I mean, just think about the effort put in to make Coyote Tango completely designed a realized only to be seen in parts of as a shadow under just a minute. I mean really?

I understand the plain irrationality of the wall plan. I was expecting that instead of a wall plan, it would at least be a "new weapon plan". Maybe the world would be creating a satelite ion cannon that can shoot a beam down and "trace" a Kaiju and keep up with it to disintegrate it. That would be a logical reason to divert the funds.

Or maybe members of the Pan Pacific Defense actually disagree how to proceed and break apart and some opt for a wall (not all), some opt to build giant land based guns, which would give reason as to why the money and resources to build Jaegers would be siphoned off. That would make sense at least, instead of adding a huge wave of monsters against a huge wave of Jaegers. That destroys the universe of how the "portal" even works.
starimk
Profile Joined December 2011
106 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 05:42:23
July 22 2013 05:41 GMT
#787
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Of course, again, you have every right to be happy with a completely generic but visually well-done Robots vs Monsters movies. To say that Pacific Rim was "supposed to be" like that because it's a Robot vs Monsters movie, however, is completely wrong. Matrix could have been a stupid movie entirely centered around humans fighting computer programs through martial arts. The original Star Wars trilogy could have been stupid movies entirely centered around the Rebels fighting the Empire through ground and space combat. The Lord of the Rings could have been stupid movies entirely centered around big armies destroying each other. Did these movies still feature the aforementioned fights and battles? Of course they did - and they did so brilliantly, stunning audiences with their visuals. But they were so much more than that, because the directors actually had ambitious visions for their movies and believed that they could make great movies without sacrificing anything with regards to the entertaining battles they would feature. The rest of the movie would not be sorry excuses to bring about the fighting - the fighting would be an integral part of something bigger.



@ kwizach - I think you might be getting a little ahead of yourself when you label works like Star Wars and Lord of the Rings as masterpieces as compared to Pacific Rim. Of course we can agree those are great movies but you have to admit even they have their share of 'stupid' plot elements, as well as less-than-perfect characterization and writing in some areas. Case in point:



I fail to see how the apparent plot flaws in Pacific Rim are of any order of magnitude greater than the flaws in these other movies you have elevated on a pedestal. You argue that great movies had great directors who carried ambitious visions for their movies? Describe to me more specifically what 'ambitious' entails. Star Wars itself was envisioned as a homage to the adventure serials George Lucas watched as a kid, similar to how Pacific Rim was envisioned as a homage to the classic kaiju monster and other science fiction films. In fact it's been rumored that Lucas had some crazy ideas that may have derailed the original movies: Han Solo as a lizard-man, C3PO as a used car salesman personality... And considering where he took Episodes I-III - yeah he had a really ambitious vision for the Star Wars universe .

If you look at the 'Themes' section of the Pacific Rim Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Rim_%28film%29) you can find some of the ideas Del Toro had in mind while fleshing out his script. Sure it's simplistic, but some of the best stories ever told are also the simplest. Personally I think it's kinda sweet; for once the main characters earnestly want to save the world and are willing to sacrifice themselves in order to do it.

Regarding the wall: I think you're underestimating the panic factor and its ability to affect even top political decisions. Their resources have been drained building defenses of any kind. No long term solution seems to work, not even the Jaegers. Building a wall may have seemed like the most cost-effective solution at the time. I don't think anyone was aware of how ineffective the walls would be until the Kaiju smashed through it in Sidney. Even after that point, the rest of the movies seems to span only a couple of days, at the most, in an over-five-year-long war. It's never stated how long these Jaegers take to build, but I don't think a couple days is enough. It didn't seem like there was much the governments could do in that short amount of time. Regarding the other plot points, like the lack of spawn camping: fair enough, it didn't bother me that much though.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11048 Posts
July 22 2013 08:51 GMT
#788
Great movie loved every minute of it. Music was perfect.

I think milkis was spot on. Yeah it wasn't the most intricate fleshed out universe. It was a great giant robot movie. The writing was good enough for great direction to do its trick.

The wall did bug me but not so much to be a real complaint It does have some fights, some scenes and some bits that were not my ideal but still great in their own right and still made for a great movie.. Kinda wish there was some sort of ION CANNON. That would be sweet.

Man I watch this movie and I imagine how EVA could have been realized or my fantasy: Full metal panic.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Emix_Squall
Profile Joined February 2012
France705 Posts
July 22 2013 09:01 GMT
#789
Probably the best action movie this year. And such an hommage ...

Loved it :D
Feartheguru
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1334 Posts
July 22 2013 09:22 GMT
#790
On July 22 2013 05:51 acker wrote:
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On July 22 2013 02:25 Feartheguru wrote:
Do you really think the Japanese didn't think of the tradeoff when they made their fighter planes fast and agile as opposed to more rugged like the American counterparts, this has to be a joke. The Zero was considered one of the best planes during the time and dominated when it was first introduced. Why do you think the Germans and Russian leaned towards heavier and heavier tanks as the war progressed and for the most part stopped production of light infantry support tanks? Because you're the only one smart enough to figure out that they were bad?

This just supports my point, you're constantly making ridiculous comparisons with no semblance of reality.


The Russians stopped making light support tanks because light support SP guns and armored cars were cheaper. Lend Lease M3s were cheaper still.

The heaviest Russian tank weighed just as much as...the Panther. And they made ten T-34s for every "heavy" tank they made. The Germans were idiots when it came to tank production, I don't see how you can think otherwise.

The Zero was the best plane in its timeframe because a) almost everything there was outdated junk and b) nobody had come up with effective tactics for anything that wasn't junk. The Japanese thought of the tradeoffs, sure. That doesn't mean that the tradeoffs were intelligent.

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On July 22 2013 01:32 Feartheguru wrote:
The great wall of China wasn't finished when the mongols conquered China, after it was finished the mongols never came again, so....
Trying to suggest the Atlantic "wall" even fits into this comparison is pretty laughable.
I think you mentioned something about the Maginot line? See above.
The Berlin wall was pretty damn effective and without it most of the USSR satellite states would have fell apart.


The kaiju wall wasn't finished, either. And I wasn't aware that the Mongols were the only folks who invaded China relevant to the Great Wall...


They made 10 T-34s for every heavy tank. Well you don't say, that's because they had a larger industrial base? If you were Germany and the war was turning would you make 1/3 as many of the same tank, or 1/10 of a much heavier tank so you atleast have a hope of winning?

There was nothing wrong with the tradeoffs made for the Zero, it was the best when it was introduced and did alright all the way until the end of the war. When you design a plane do you just do some random shit in the hopes it randomly counters whatever your opponent comes up with in an unknown future time, or you build to counter now? Not sure why you would bring up such a ridiculous point, I feel silly responding to it.

Umm, China built the great wall to keep the Mongols out. What else is relevant? Please enlighten me.
Don't sweat the petty stuff, don't pet the sweaty stuff.
D3su
Profile Joined March 2013
United States5 Posts
July 22 2013 09:25 GMT
#791
The Aspergers is strong in this thread. Why must people always argue on the internet....no-one ever wins.

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Kickboxer
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovenia1308 Posts
July 22 2013 09:55 GMT
#792
Pros:
- amazing soundtrack, fantastic tunes!
- next level CGI combat -pew- -pew-
- story kept to a bearable minimum

Cons:
- idiotic dialogues (doh)
- poor variety of jaegers / kaiju and their weapons - my biggest gripe
- redneck pilots who look like clones

All in all, if you're willing to treat it like a video game trailer it's an amazing experience especially (only) in a 3d cinema and dank blazed if you tend to obsess about plot holes and retard level conversations it's in line with the rest of recent garbage.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10126 Posts
July 22 2013 10:13 GMT
#793
On July 22 2013 18:55 Kickboxer wrote:
- redneck pilots who look like clones

So i wasn't the only one who confused them for a while lol.
ReMinD_
Profile Joined May 2013
Croatia846 Posts
July 22 2013 10:47 GMT
#794
I went with low expectations, just as I did for Iron Man 3 and Man of Steel. I was expecting something as bad as Transformers. In the end, I was pleasantly surprised. There's a lot of stuff in this movie that I would usually dislike (some plot elements and cliches), but del Toro somehow got it to work. The movie was so entertaining I had to watch it a second time. I found it much better than any other movie this year.

Parting: Well, even I can make better maps than these.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 22 2013 10:51 GMT
#795
On July 22 2013 18:22 Feartheguru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 05:51 acker wrote:
On July 22 2013 02:25 Feartheguru wrote:
Do you really think the Japanese didn't think of the tradeoff when they made their fighter planes fast and agile as opposed to more rugged like the American counterparts, this has to be a joke. The Zero was considered one of the best planes during the time and dominated when it was first introduced. Why do you think the Germans and Russian leaned towards heavier and heavier tanks as the war progressed and for the most part stopped production of light infantry support tanks? Because you're the only one smart enough to figure out that they were bad?

This just supports my point, you're constantly making ridiculous comparisons with no semblance of reality.


The Russians stopped making light support tanks because light support SP guns and armored cars were cheaper. Lend Lease M3s were cheaper still.

The heaviest Russian tank weighed just as much as...the Panther. And they made ten T-34s for every "heavy" tank they made. The Germans were idiots when it came to tank production, I don't see how you can think otherwise.

The Zero was the best plane in its timeframe because a) almost everything there was outdated junk and b) nobody had come up with effective tactics for anything that wasn't junk. The Japanese thought of the tradeoffs, sure. That doesn't mean that the tradeoffs were intelligent.

On July 22 2013 01:32 Feartheguru wrote:
The great wall of China wasn't finished when the mongols conquered China, after it was finished the mongols never came again, so....
Trying to suggest the Atlantic "wall" even fits into this comparison is pretty laughable.
I think you mentioned something about the Maginot line? See above.
The Berlin wall was pretty damn effective and without it most of the USSR satellite states would have fell apart.


The kaiju wall wasn't finished, either. And I wasn't aware that the Mongols were the only folks who invaded China relevant to the Great Wall...


They made 10 T-34s for every heavy tank. Well you don't say, that's because they had a larger industrial base? If you were Germany and the war was turning would you make 1/3 as many of the same tank, or 1/10 of a much heavier tank so you atleast have a hope of winning?

There was nothing wrong with the tradeoffs made for the Zero, it was the best when it was introduced and did alright all the way until the end of the war. When you design a plane do you just do some random shit in the hopes it randomly counters whatever your opponent comes up with in an unknown future time, or you build to counter now? Not sure why you would bring up such a ridiculous point, I feel silly responding to it.

Umm, China built the great wall to keep the Mongols out. What else is relevant? Please enlighten me.

No, he is talking about the raw materials required to build the tanks. The Tiger tank required a lot of steel and other parts and the Russians kept making t-34s.

The same for the trade off's in the Zero. The plane had a two 30 caliber machine guns and the Americans quickly designed plans with armor that they couldn't punch through. They also worked in pairs to take down the zeros, one plane baiting the the zero and the other shooting it down. The Japanese never recovered and continued the make the plane. You should also look up the military philosophy during that team and how the Japanese thought the war would be won, if you want some flawed military reasoning.

And the great wall was only slightly effective at keeping out the Mongols. China was still invaded after the wall was finished.
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Nick!
Profile Joined March 2011
Scotland701 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 13:33:06
July 22 2013 13:31 GMT
#796
So on a good note, Pacific Rim has grossed $178 million so far because of it doing awesome overseas, and it hasn't even been released in China and Japan yet. It's gonna make it's money back and then some.

PS. It hasn't been released in alot of European countries yet either
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 22 2013 13:33 GMT
#797
On July 22 2013 22:31 Nick! wrote:
So on a good note, Pacific Rim has grossed $178 million so far because of it doing awesome overseas, and it hasn't even been released in China and Japan yet. It's gonna make it's money back and then some.

Good to hear, that movie needs a second round of awesome. I demand more nationist robots. Give me my British Boxing robot!
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Nick!
Profile Joined March 2011
Scotland701 Posts
July 22 2013 13:35 GMT
#798
On July 22 2013 22:33 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 22:31 Nick! wrote:
So on a good note, Pacific Rim has grossed $178 million so far because of it doing awesome overseas, and it hasn't even been released in China and Japan yet. It's gonna make it's money back and then some.

Good to hear, that movie needs a second round of awesome. I demand more nationist robots. Give me my British Boxing robot!


No doubt it will need an extra reactor for the tea >.>
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 22 2013 13:39 GMT
#799
On July 22 2013 22:35 Nick! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 22:33 Plansix wrote:
On July 22 2013 22:31 Nick! wrote:
So on a good note, Pacific Rim has grossed $178 million so far because of it doing awesome overseas, and it hasn't even been released in China and Japan yet. It's gonna make it's money back and then some.

Good to hear, that movie needs a second round of awesome. I demand more nationist robots. Give me my British Boxing robot!


No doubt it will need an extra reactor for the tea >.>

Really, the closer the robots get to Street Fighter, the better off we all are. Viking-Sweedish Robot. German-Knight based Robot. French Fencing robot. Its only a question of how dumb they want to go, and I want 1000% more dumb in the next movie.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Nick!
Profile Joined March 2011
Scotland701 Posts
July 22 2013 14:08 GMT
#800
On July 22 2013 22:39 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 22:35 Nick! wrote:
On July 22 2013 22:33 Plansix wrote:
On July 22 2013 22:31 Nick! wrote:
So on a good note, Pacific Rim has grossed $178 million so far because of it doing awesome overseas, and it hasn't even been released in China and Japan yet. It's gonna make it's money back and then some.

Good to hear, that movie needs a second round of awesome. I demand more nationist robots. Give me my British Boxing robot!


No doubt it will need an extra reactor for the tea >.>

Really, the closer the robots get to Street Fighter, the better off we all are. Viking-Sweedish Robot. German-Knight based Robot. French Fencing robot. Its only a question of how dumb they want to go, and I want 1000% more dumb in the next movie.


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