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On July 13 2013 00:22 deth2munkies wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 23:52 LilClinkin wrote:
I saw it tonight, I hated it. I don't understand how this is receiving almost universal acclaim yet Man of Steel and Transformers are panned as awful turds.
*vague, minor, non-spoilerish spoilers ahead*
The only good aspects of this movie are the robot fights and Idris Alba. The dialogue was horrible. The story was even worse. Why do they call mind-melding 'drifting'? That is the worst descriptor they could possibly use. When I think of drift, I think of tumbleweed in a desert, a piece of rotten wood floating on water, or a car skidding out of control on a gravel road. The last thing I think of is two people's mind working as one (and if that's the case, why the fuck do they yell to each other inside the cockpit?).
*rant incoming*
Why is a Jaeger built in 2013 analogue? Why is there a Newton's cradle to pull me out of one of the only enjoyable parts of the movie? Why can a little girl outrun a sky-scraper tall Alien? Why are the major characters so BORING? Why do the potentially interesting ones (sans Idris Alba) get so little screen time? (I'm looking at you, Russians and Asian triplets!) Why are the scientists depicted as possibly the stupidest people in the entire film? Why does the alien have a paedophile tongue? Why are the Australian accents so AWFUL? Why am I not seeing more robots vs alien action? Why is most of the action set in the ocean, thus giving you no reference frame as to how fucking enormous and awesome these aliens/machines are? Why am I even ranting any more...
The only explanation I can possibly imagine as to why this film is received better than Man of Steel is this movie literally had zero expectations on it's shoulders. Most of the criticism of Man of Steel comes down to people's pre-conceived notions of what should/shouldn't happen in a Superman flick getting shat on. While the film had pacing issues and a few silly moments, over-all the acting, action, and narrative cohesiveness was an order beyond what is offered in Pacific Rim.
tl:dr
Man of Steel shits on Pacific Rim, but is hated because people expected greatness from it yet it has flaws. However, regarding Pacific Rim, people expected a turd but what they got was a very shiny turd, so they're happy. Simply: Because it's an unironic genre film. The problem with Man of Steel was it was trying too hard to ape The Dark Knight, people that are tired of the angst driven superheroes and all of the toned down realism that accompanied that particular wave of movies are refreshed by the unironic, over the top, straightforward action of Pacific Rim, and I agree with them. I'd still give it 8/10 because, you're right, the characters are pretty flat, but at least they don't have them sitting there talking to each other about pseudo-philosophical shit for 2/3 of the movie. Also, this movie was exactly what everyone expected it to be: awesome fight scenes of mech on monster action. Yeah, it did sag in the middle a bit, but overall, the action was the focus. It lived up to exactly what people wanted, they weren't expecting a movie that made them question humanity or shit like that, they wanted one where giant robots punched giant monsters in the face repeatedly, and they got it. Man of Steel did a lot of stuff, but among them, it fucked with an established character in a bunch of different ways that alienated the purists, and it focused on the psychological aspects of being a superhero rather than the fact that he's FUCKING SUPERMAN and can punch massive things and turn back the world by flying really fast. The purists hated the changes, comic book fans hated the gritty realism instead of the fantasy that comics offered. People expected Superman and got a grimdark deconstruction of him instead. That's why people were let down.
You're too kind. Grimdark stuff aside Man of Steel was a bad movie. I couldn't care less for Superman so I went to see this movie with no expectations at all and I left the theater incredibly disappointed. 40 min long sequence of buildings falling apart was excruciating to watch, the "wax statue" acting of the lead was terrible, all of the forced Lois Lane scenes and using her as means to tie up the plot and provide exposition (she's been included in several scenes just so that things could be explained, nothing else). The complete emotional detachment of the movie, where you didn't have a single character you could immerse or sympathise with, 7 million people (or something like that) dying in Metropolis and not being shown or mentioned even once (we got to see random 4 people who got fried by Zod and we were supposed to care for them?) etc. etc. It was utter garbage spewing out of the screen for over 2 hours.
Back to Pacific Rim: I think it was OK, nothing terrible but nothing to write home about either. Your typical summer blockbuster where you go, watch it, enjoy your 2 hours and then forget about it. This movie didn't introduce anything new or spectacular, it wasn't a complete letdown or pile of steaming dung like GI JOE 3 or something either.
P. S.
And I think that GLaDOS voice was a very poor choice and didn't fit into the movie at all.
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On July 13 2013 00:45 Manit0u wrote:
P. S.
And I think that GLaDOS voice was a very poor choice and didn't fit into the movie at all.
I think that the+ Show Spoiler +Neural Link failed, want to try again?
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On July 12 2013 23:52 LilClinkin wrote:
I saw it tonight, I hated it. I don't understand how this is receiving almost universal acclaim yet Man of Steel and Transformers are panned as awful turds.
*vague, minor, non-spoilerish spoilers ahead*
The only good aspects of this movie are the robot fights and Idris Alba. The dialogue was horrible. The story was even worse. Why do they call mind-melding 'drifting'? That is the worst descriptor they could possibly use. When I think of drift, I think of tumbleweed in a desert, a piece of rotten wood floating on water, or a car skidding out of control on a gravel road. The last thing I think of is two people's mind working as one (and if that's the case, why the fuck do they yell to each other inside the cockpit?).
*rant incoming*
Why is a Jaeger built in 2013 analogue? Why is there a Newton's cradle to pull me out of one of the only enjoyable parts of the movie? Why can a little girl outrun a sky-scraper tall Alien? Why are the major characters so BORING? Why do the potentially interesting ones (sans Idris Alba) get so little screen time? (I'm looking at you, Russians and Asian triplets!) Why are the scientists depicted as possibly the stupidest people in the entire film? Why does the alien have a paedophile tongue? Why are the Australian accents so AWFUL? Why am I not seeing more robots vs alien action? Why is most of the action set in the ocean, thus giving you no reference frame as to how fucking enormous and awesome these aliens/machines are? Why am I even ranting any more...
The only explanation I can possibly imagine as to why this film is received better than Man of Steel is this movie literally had zero expectations on it's shoulders. Most of the criticism of Man of Steel comes down to people's pre-conceived notions of what should/shouldn't happen in a Superman flick getting shat on. While the film had pacing issues and a few silly moments, over-all the acting, action, and narrative cohesiveness was an order beyond what is offered in Pacific Rim.
tl:dr
Man of Steel shits on Pacific Rim, but is hated because people expected greatness from it yet it has flaws. However, regarding Pacific Rim, people expected a turd but what they got was a very shiny turd, so they're happy.
You actually thought Man of Steel was better than Pacific Rim?
I don't even...
The script in Man of Steel was AWFUL. I laughed out loud multiple times throughout the film at the retarded dialogue. The pacing was inconsistent, and they completely destroyed the large amount of potential Shannon had with his Zod by simply deciding to gloss and skip over anything interesting related to him.
But yes, the worst part was, the movie took itself seriously. It tried very, very hard, which made its failure even worse and laughable.
Going into a film like Pacific Rim, which Guillermo del Toro specifically said was made to be light and exciting, as opposed to dark and gritty like every other movie coming out right now, those similar flaws aren't going to destroy the movie and leave you with a bad taste in your mouth.
Well, at least it didn't for me.
I can understand why you didn't like Pacific Rim. It was far from a perfect movie, and was not even a good one on a fair and objective scale (as much as I enjoyed it), but honestly...saying it was worse than Man of Steel is just confusing to me.
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Turns out that if you take out the fanservice that is the foundation of anime then a lot of people don't like anime-derived stuff. Too bad, because this movie is pretty awesome.
Who cares about the characters and their accents or what they say or how they say it or whether the science is consistent with real science or even the fictional universe's "science." Giant robots are punching giant monsters and giant monsters are tearing the arms off giant robots.
I guess no Misato drinking in the bathtub and no Rei in the shower really makes a difference.
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I just saw it in Imax 3D. I loved it, and the only bad thing I can say about it is, that it ended. The Robots were amazing, the fights equally as amazing, but what made it great was GDT. His choice of colors, angles, the cartoony scientists, and the weird culture surrounding the glorification of the monsters (even the monster religion). GDT is my hero, and I'm glad he got to make this movie. Hopefully it does well, he deserves it.
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Just realized:
+ Show Spoiler +
The Analog Jaeger would still be fried by an EMP as it had Digital in it as well. Right?
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Really enjoyed the movie. The fights were awesomeeeee. Wish there was more though and I really disliked the Japanese female chick.
Best Jaeger head? The Chinese one. Best armor masks? Russian. Best Jaeger body? Australian. Best Jaeger weapons? American.
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On July 13 2013 11:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Just realized: + Show Spoiler +
The Analog Jaeger would still be fried by an EMP as it had Digital in it as well. Right?
+ Show Spoiler +Apparently although it wasn't made clear by the dialogue the analog Jaeger is hardened against EMP as well
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On July 13 2013 13:40 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 11:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Just realized: + Show Spoiler +
The Analog Jaeger would still be fried by an EMP as it had Digital in it as well. Right?
+ Show Spoiler +Apparently although it wasn't made clear by the dialogue the analog Jaeger is hardened against EMP as well
+ Show Spoiler +
I had fun imagining it full of vacuum tubes.
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I thought the Jaegers were an interesting mix of Japanese fighting robots and Halo spartans.
I thought the movie was pretty good... very action-packed, but super cheesy. I think the only cliche that they forgot to include was + Show Spoiler +when they didn't kiss at the end.
Also, the scientist from + Show Spoiler +Always Sunny in Philadelphia dinosaurs have two brains
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On July 13 2013 11:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Just realized: + Show Spoiler +
The Analog Jaeger would still be fried by an EMP as it had Digital in it as well. Right?
+ Show Spoiler +They probably meant "mechnical" rather than "analog". Just a typical misuse of a technical term and a convenient plot device =)
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On July 13 2013 13:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:I thought the Jaegers were an interesting mix of Japanese fighting robots and Halo spartans. I thought the movie was pretty good... very action-packed, but super cheesy. I think the only cliche that they forgot to include was + Show Spoiler +when they didn't kiss at the end. Also, the scientist from + Show Spoiler +Always Sunny in Philadelphia saying that + Show Spoiler +dinosaurs have two brains >.<
+ Show Spoiler +The idea that the dinosaurs were wiped out by them was also interesting.
I would pay money to see some category 1 or 2s fighting T-rex's and the like.
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On July 13 2013 11:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Just realized: + Show Spoiler +
The Analog Jaeger would still be fried by an EMP as it had Digital in it as well. Right?
I think it just proves that if + Show Spoiler +Zerg units had ghost abilities, that would be pretty OP.
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On July 13 2013 13:44 Antisocialmunky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 13:40 DeepElemBlues wrote:On July 13 2013 11:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Just realized: + Show Spoiler +
The Analog Jaeger would still be fried by an EMP as it had Digital in it as well. Right?
+ Show Spoiler +Apparently although it wasn't made clear by the dialogue the analog Jaeger is hardened against EMP as well + Show Spoiler +
I had fun imagining it full of vacuum tubes.
yes that would have been awesome
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Anyone else expecting + Show Spoiler +the Jaegers to combine into one big Jaeger?
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On July 13 2013 13:58 B1nary wrote:Anyone else expecting + Show Spoiler +the Jaegers to combine into one big Jaeger? I would have peed my pants.
Power Pacific Rangers?
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On July 13 2013 14:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Power Pacific Rangers?
Voltron Team Pacific Rim Division
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Oh man I just saw this movie. The action was so amazing. + Show Spoiler +I was a little disappointed that most of the Jaegers just went for a beat-them-senseless method until the Gypsy actually started playing going for the Kaiju's weaknesses.
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On July 13 2013 14:03 zergnewb wrote:Oh man I just saw this movie. The action was so amazing. + Show Spoiler +I was a little disappointed that most of the Jaegers just went for a beat-them-senseless method until the Gypsy actually started playing going for the Kaiju's weaknesses.
+ Show Spoiler +Yeah, they've already been fighting the kaiju for 12 years even though they mostly stopped using Jaegers years before the action in the movie. You'd think we humans would have come up with some better tactics for the Jaegers.
Still though robots punching monsters has something in it that squad-based Jaeger tactical combat action! does not
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On July 13 2013 14:11 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 14:03 zergnewb wrote:Oh man I just saw this movie. The action was so amazing. + Show Spoiler +I was a little disappointed that most of the Jaegers just went for a beat-them-senseless method until the Gypsy actually started playing going for the Kaiju's weaknesses. + Show Spoiler +Yeah, they've already been fighting the kaiju for 12 years even though they mostly stopped using Jaegers years before the action in the movie. You'd think we humans would have come up with some better tactics for the Jaegers.
Still though robots punching monsters has something in it that squad-based Jaeger tactical combat action! does not
Reminds me of playing XCom TFTD and realizing melee weapons were just better.
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