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We made a thread specifically for Episode 8 now, let us head over to that one
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/entertainment/521373-star-wars-episode-viii-the-last-jedi
shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
December 24 2015 16:52 GMT
#2761
Lol.. so a clear spoiler just got out regarding Rey's identity. its all over social media, was from a Disney game, maybe a mistake idk. But I'm too lazy to post it. Most people assumed it already anyway.
AKMU / IU
LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4553 Posts
December 24 2015 17:00 GMT
#2762
On December 25 2015 01:52 shin_toss wrote:
Lol.. so a clear spoiler just got out regarding Rey's identity. its all over social media, was from a Disney game, maybe a mistake idk. But I'm too lazy to post it. Most people assumed it already anyway.


Which game? Any sources too btw? I don't really keep track of SW now.
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11350 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-24 17:05:46
December 24 2015 17:04 GMT
#2763
I think Angry Joe is retracting that. The taunt from sounded like "Face me, cousin." But turning on the subtitles it was actually two taunts crammed together "Face me" and "Curses." The curses is rather garbled, which makes it sound more like cousin.

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shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
December 24 2015 17:09 GMT
#2764
Here.. it contains spoiler so click at your own risk

http://epicstream.com/news/Reys-Identity-Revealed-in-Star-Wars-The-Force-Awakens-Disney-Infinity-Game
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Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
December 24 2015 17:57 GMT
#2765
Not sure what all the fuss is about.

+ Show Spoiler +
As I already said, it was like 98% sure already based on just the evident things fro mthe movie, and if you read certain extra observations from those with eagle-eyes and profound SW memory, then you would be convinced for 100% as well. She looks like Padme, she is dressed just like Anakin and Luke, it explains her flashback and why Kylo saved/spared her life, it explains Luke's reaction, and explains her unremarkeble talents in fighting and piloting.

Oh, poor Kylo, when he has to live with the fact that rey is closer to Vader than he'll ever could be...
BeStFAN
Profile Blog Joined April 2015
483 Posts
December 24 2015 18:35 GMT
#2766
i recently went to a toy store for christmas shopping.

it was very interesting to see girls looking for lightsabers and playing with rey action figures instead of princess or pink toys.

it's very encouraging to see that girls can also enjoy what i enjoyed as a kid
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Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
December 24 2015 18:42 GMT
#2767
On December 25 2015 03:35 BeStFAN wrote:
i recently went to a toy store for christmas shopping.

it was very interesting to see girls looking for lightsabers and playing with rey action figures instead of princess or pink toys.

it's very encouraging to see that girls can also enjoy what i enjoyed as a kid

Exactly! After watching A New Hope for the first time, didn't we all wanted to be either Luke, Vader or Han? Three rather different men, while girls had Leia, who was just a princess archetype. I'm personally really happy that the new generation faces no such problem, and with Phasma (hopefully) getting more prime time in EP VIII, girls will have someone to pick from the dark side as well.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-24 19:55:01
December 24 2015 19:53 GMT
#2768
Really enjoyed it. Thought the banter between Finn and Rae was very good, breaking down the damsel in distress stereotype right off the bat.

I appreciated the humanization of the stormtroopers-- would even like to see more. Also glad to see they can hit people now.

Kylo-Ren's voice/mask was so badass. I know not everyone was a fan, but I liked the dynamic of removing the helmet in a few key moments. It helped you understand him as more than an asshole.

That scene between Ren and his father is so good. Very ambiguous right until the end. + Show Spoiler +
RIP Han Solo


My only beef: can't we destroy something that ISN'T a huge planet with a large laser as the finale to the movie? PLEASE
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
December 24 2015 23:12 GMT
#2769
The Rey reveal doesn't surprise me in the least. In fact, I prefer it that way. As I mentioned earlier, makes the snow fight that much more epic in retrospect.

Disney can't be happy though with that being revealed.
Timelog
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands57 Posts
December 25 2015 00:48 GMT
#2770
On December 25 2015 02:09 shin_toss wrote:
Here.. it contains spoiler so click at your own risk

http://epicstream.com/news/Reys-Identity-Revealed-in-Star-Wars-The-Force-Awakens-Disney-Infinity-Game

Post has already been updated, no spoiler occurred. Kylo says "Face me. Curses" instead of what the original article claimed.
Terrible Starcraft 2 player, SC2 EU Battle.Net MVP and overall gaming enthousiast.
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-25 01:23:08
December 25 2015 01:22 GMT
#2771
On December 25 2015 00:44 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2015 18:26 kwizach wrote:
On December 24 2015 17:51 andrewlt wrote:
On December 24 2015 12:24 FuzzyJAM wrote:

But because the entire world building is non-existent and the audience is just lost from the start and never gets any sort of bearing, we lose trust in the film.

Here's a thought exercise. Think of a way to include all the information you are looking for in the movie without boring the audience. No long expository speeches. Estimate the time it takes to show those on film. Now how long would the movie be?

The same length. You just get rid of most of the Men in Black 2 stuff with the rathtars.


So lets cut one of the actual world building scenes from the movie for more world building. Right.

You actually consider the cargo sequence as good world building? We got two smuggler squads, half of which got eaten by the monsters and that we will probably never see again (do you even remember their names?). We also go rathtars, a.k.a.Men in Black 2 uninteresting monsters. Yes, I would rather have had a sequence about the new Republic and each player's place in the galaxy -- for example a scene set on one of the Republic planets that got destroyed, in order to get some emotional connection to the destruction.
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17257 Posts
December 25 2015 03:21 GMT
#2772
On December 25 2015 10:22 kwizach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2015 00:44 On_Slaught wrote:
On December 24 2015 18:26 kwizach wrote:
On December 24 2015 17:51 andrewlt wrote:
On December 24 2015 12:24 FuzzyJAM wrote:

But because the entire world building is non-existent and the audience is just lost from the start and never gets any sort of bearing, we lose trust in the film.

Here's a thought exercise. Think of a way to include all the information you are looking for in the movie without boring the audience. No long expository speeches. Estimate the time it takes to show those on film. Now how long would the movie be?

The same length. You just get rid of most of the Men in Black 2 stuff with the rathtars.


So lets cut one of the actual world building scenes from the movie for more world building. Right.

You actually consider the cargo sequence as good world building? We got two smuggler squads, half of which got eaten by the monsters and that we will probably never see again (do you even remember their names?). We also go rathtars, a.k.a.Men in Black 2 uninteresting monsters. Yes, I would rather have had a sequence about the new Republic and each player's place in the galaxy -- for example a scene set on one of the Republic planets that got destroyed, in order to get some emotional connection to the destruction.


It isn't world building (there isn't much of it in the movie). It is character building. It is a way for the old fans to get some background on what was Han up to between the movies and for new fans to learn about some of his traits. Those gang members and the monsters Han's smuggling don't mean jack for the movie, they're only there as a plot device to give more important characters minimum required exposition.

Of course, we could have some more world building and what not, but then we'd end up with a 4 hour long movie where the tempo constantly goes up and down as we switch between action and world building. Personally, I like JJ's minimalistic approach in this one. You get just enough info to not feel confused, the pace is pretty steady and you're never feeling disconnected from what's going on (compare it to the prequels where you're jumping from an action scene with 200 jedi right into 2 people talking for 10 minutes about stuff you don't give a damn about at the moment since it's irrelevant to the things happening on the screen immediately before or after).

If you have 1.5-2h time limit and you have to cram into it character development, world building, plot development, action and everything you have to compromise and something has to give. I like that JJ focused on character development and action in this one. You get sucked in, you don't have to jog your brain about the bigger picture or what's going on in the background really. You're in the moment, following the main characters and getting to know them more through action than anything else.

You have to remember it's just the first of three movies. There's more to come, there'll be plenty opportunities to slow down a bit and show the audience a broader perspective (perhaps giving completely new meaning to events that have already unfolded, which would be awesome).
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
December 25 2015 03:41 GMT
#2773
On December 25 2015 03:35 BeStFAN wrote:
i recently went to a toy store for christmas shopping.

it was very interesting to see girls looking for lightsabers and playing with rey action figures instead of princess or pink toys.

it's very encouraging to see that girls can also enjoy what i enjoyed as a kid


In my country too, was really surprised that every mall store has a Star Wars related merchandise, and surprised too that a lot of people enjoyed it esp the kids.
AKMU / IU
TerransHill
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany572 Posts
December 25 2015 05:41 GMT
#2774
On December 25 2015 12:21 Manit0u wrote:

Of course, we could have some more world building and what not, but then we'd end up with a 4 hour long movie where the tempo constantly goes up and down as we switch between action and world building. Personally, I like JJ's minimalistic approach in this one. You get just enough info to not feel confused, the pace is pretty steady and you're never feeling disconnected from what's going on (compare it to the prequels where you're jumping from an action scene with 200 jedi right into 2 people talking for 10 minutes about stuff you don't give a damn about at the moment since it's irrelevant to the things happening on the screen immediately before or after).

If you have 1.5-2h time limit and you have to cram into it character development, world building, plot development, action and everything you have to compromise and something has to give. I like that JJ focused on character development and action in this one. You get sucked in, you don't have to jog your brain about the bigger picture or what's going on in the background really. You're in the moment, following the main characters and getting to know them more through action than anything else.

You have to remember it's just the first of three movies. There's more to come, there'll be plenty opportunities to slow down a bit and show the audience a broader perspective (perhaps giving completely new meaning to events that have already unfolded, which would be awesome).


Just a little bit more insight on the republic would've made such a huge difference imo. Would've taken only 5 more minutes.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 25 2015 05:46 GMT
#2775
On December 25 2015 08:12 On_Slaught wrote:
The Rey reveal doesn't surprise me in the least. In fact, I prefer it that way. As I mentioned earlier, makes the snow fight that much more epic in retrospect.

Disney can't be happy though with that being revealed.



I honestly thought it was super obvious as was pretty much everything in the film. >_<

My wifey got really mad when I predicted a certain someone's death 7 minutes before their demise.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-25 05:54:32
December 25 2015 05:47 GMT
#2776
I called the death after basically the first 2 or 3 major plot points were identical to Episode 4.

I really think that doing the Thrawn trilogy as Episodes 7 8 9 would have been fine. I just reread all 3 books over the last couple days and they were pretty solid. You've got Force stuff, Empire stuff, big battles, everything you'd want.

The X-Wing series would make a pretty solid spinoff series as well.
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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-25 06:48:34
December 25 2015 06:00 GMT
#2777
On December 25 2015 12:41 shin_toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2015 03:35 BeStFAN wrote:
i recently went to a toy store for christmas shopping.

it was very interesting to see girls looking for lightsabers and playing with rey action figures instead of princess or pink toys.

it's very encouraging to see that girls can also enjoy what i enjoyed as a kid


In my country too, was really surprised that every mall store has a Star Wars related merchandise, and surprised too that a lot of people enjoyed it esp the kids.

That's the point. Plot and lore follows the merchandise. Black stormtrooper? random girl competing with a jedi trained by luke skywalker? More and more markets to sell merchandise to. Thank you disney.

Also, that sun eating planet is really pitiful. The empire was better off making a bunch of deathstars as opposed to a single planet that can be taken out by 4 fighters what a joke. And stormtroopers still can't aim. I thought they are trained from birth. My suspension can only go so far.
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malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
December 25 2015 07:49 GMT
#2778
On December 25 2015 15:00 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2015 12:41 shin_toss wrote:
On December 25 2015 03:35 BeStFAN wrote:
i recently went to a toy store for christmas shopping.

it was very interesting to see girls looking for lightsabers and playing with rey action figures instead of princess or pink toys.

it's very encouraging to see that girls can also enjoy what i enjoyed as a kid


In my country too, was really surprised that every mall store has a Star Wars related merchandise, and surprised too that a lot of people enjoyed it esp the kids.

That's the point. Plot and lore follows the merchandise. Black stormtrooper? random girl competing with a jedi trained by luke skywalker? More and more markets to sell merchandise to. Thank you disney.

Also, that sun eating planet is really pitiful. The empire was better off making a bunch of deathstars as opposed to a single planet that can be taken out by 4 fighters what a joke. And stormtroopers still can't aim. I thought they are trained from birth. My suspension can only go so far.


are you coming back in episode VIII?
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-25 08:46:20
December 25 2015 08:14 GMT
#2779
On December 25 2015 15:00 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2015 12:41 shin_toss wrote:
On December 25 2015 03:35 BeStFAN wrote:
i recently went to a toy store for christmas shopping.

it was very interesting to see girls looking for lightsabers and playing with rey action figures instead of princess or pink toys.

it's very encouraging to see that girls can also enjoy what i enjoyed as a kid


In my country too, was really surprised that every mall store has a Star Wars related merchandise, and surprised too that a lot of people enjoyed it esp the kids.

And stormtroopers still can't aim. I thought they are trained from birth. My suspension can only go so far.

That's the biggest problem I have with most modern movies. Action is created through shooting but as nobody can be allowed to die too early everybody has to miss. That might've been realistic with ancient spears but comeon it's 2016, apart from the weapons the german government bought (they are useless) most guns work the way they should. BUT NO! elite soldiers, mercenaries, assassins and 5+ stormtroopers cannot hit a single target once. That's thrilling in the first movie you see but it's getting so damn annoying to have an entire cast miss shots for 120 minutes because finally in the end 15 opponents are killed using 3 bullets in some mysterious power and skill level rise. Good job movie industry I did not see that happen.

GoT-"spoiler"
+ Show Spoiler +

That's why I instantly liked Game of Thrones and couldn't stop reading after the first book. Shit happens, people die. Life goes on.

Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-25 08:38:03
December 25 2015 08:32 GMT
#2780
On December 25 2015 12:41 shin_toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2015 03:35 BeStFAN wrote:
i recently went to a toy store for christmas shopping.

it was very interesting to see girls looking for lightsabers and playing with rey action figures instead of princess or pink toys.

it's very encouraging to see that girls can also enjoy what i enjoyed as a kid


In my country too, was really surprised that every mall store has a Star Wars related merchandise, and surprised too that a lot of people enjoyed it esp the kids.

Wait... you were surprised that kids eat up toys? What do kids usually do in your country?

On December 25 2015 16:49 malcram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2015 15:00 Deathstar wrote:
On December 25 2015 12:41 shin_toss wrote:
On December 25 2015 03:35 BeStFAN wrote:
i recently went to a toy store for christmas shopping.

it was very interesting to see girls looking for lightsabers and playing with rey action figures instead of princess or pink toys.

it's very encouraging to see that girls can also enjoy what i enjoyed as a kid


In my country too, was really surprised that every mall store has a Star Wars related merchandise, and surprised too that a lot of people enjoyed it esp the kids.

That's the point. Plot and lore follows the merchandise. Black stormtrooper? random girl competing with a jedi trained by luke skywalker? More and more markets to sell merchandise to. Thank you disney.

Also, that sun eating planet is really pitiful. The empire was better off making a bunch of deathstars as opposed to a single planet that can be taken out by 4 fighters what a joke. And stormtroopers still can't aim. I thought they are trained from birth. My suspension can only go so far.


are you coming back in episode VIII?

Maybe this time they should try building it smaller than the original Deathstar. Going bigger is clearly not the way for blasting into the Deathstar market.
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