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Just watched the movie a second time, and I am totally on the Phasma hype train. I really hope what she did was in character, as it is exactly the kind of villain we need. We already have two mindless servants of Snooke, it would be really refreshing if Phasma would be self-centered.
On December 26 2015 08:33 shin_toss wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2015 17:32 Volband wrote:On December 25 2015 12:41 shin_toss wrote:On December 25 2015 03:35 BeStFAN wrote:i recently went to a toy store for christmas shopping. it was very interesting to see girls looking for lightsabers and playing with rey action figures instead of princess or pink toys. it's very encouraging to see that girls can also enjoy what i enjoyed as a kid  In my country too, was really surprised that every mall store has a Star Wars related merchandise, and surprised too that a lot of people enjoyed it esp the kids. Wait... you were surprised that kids eat up toys? What do kids usually do in your country? On December 25 2015 16:49 malcram wrote:On December 25 2015 15:00 Deathstar wrote:On December 25 2015 12:41 shin_toss wrote:On December 25 2015 03:35 BeStFAN wrote:i recently went to a toy store for christmas shopping. it was very interesting to see girls looking for lightsabers and playing with rey action figures instead of princess or pink toys. it's very encouraging to see that girls can also enjoy what i enjoyed as a kid In my country too, was really surprised that every mall store has a Star Wars related merchandise, and surprised too that a lot of people enjoyed it esp the kids. That's the point. Plot and lore follows the merchandise. Black stormtrooper? random girl competing with a jedi trained by luke skywalker? More and more markets to sell merchandise to. Thank you disney. Also, that sun eating planet is really pitiful. The empire was better off making a bunch of deathstars as opposed to a single planet that can be taken out by 4 fighters what a joke. And stormtroopers still can't aim. I thought they are trained from birth. My suspension can only go so far. are you coming back in episode VIII? Maybe this time they should try building it smaller than the original Deathstar. Going bigger is clearly not the way for blasting into the Deathstar market. Lol @ your comprehension
What on Earth did I hit a nerve with? :D
+ Show Spoiler [English 10... 2?] +In my country too = same thing is happening in your country as it was described by the one you quoted.
was really surprised that every mall store has a Star Wars related merchandise = star wars is basically everywhere, and you are surprised,
and surprised too that a lot of people enjoyed it = ALSO (in addition, etc.) you did not expect that it would be as well-recieved as it is. Now it most probably refers to the merchandise, aka the toys, but I suppose it could refer to the fact that SW is everywhere.
Now the hard part.
esp the kids = 1. Not sure if the sentence itself could be misinterpreted that you were surprised EVEN MORE that the kids were the ones who liked it, in which case it would be translated to "I was surprised that so many people liked it [what it refers to does not matter now], and I was especially surprised that it was liked by the kids"
2. It could possibly mean the same as the previous example, with the addition of "especially" referring to the fact that it was mostly liked by the kids, but would still suggest you are surprised because it was liked by the kids. But I guess especially would have to have two meanings in this case, not sure if it can be used like that.
3. However, the way I interpreted (or comprehended) it, is that you were surprised that it [once again, does not matter what it means] was well-received, and you just simply added the extra info that it was mainly a kids' favorite.
I am fucking lost already btw, so in case you guys forgot that exact part of the sentence I was talking to so far: "and [I was] surprised too that a lot of people enjoyed it esp the kids."
My response was, as I just said, to the third interpretation of your sentence, as I found it a bit funny that you felt the need of adding that the merchandise (which is mainly kid stuff to begin with) was very liked by kids too. It's just... funny?
Now, I'm unsure whether your sentence could mean all the three possible things I just wrote down, but in my language, you don't need to make big alterations to the oriignal sentence to fit each of the points. The literal translations would be like:
1. And [I was] surprised too that a lot of people enjoyed it, and especially that it was [enjoyed by] the kids as well.
2. And [I was] surprised too that a lot of people enjoyed it, and especially that it was mainly [enjoyed by the kids.
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Number 3. would sound the same as it was written originally, and while number 1. and 2. might be grammatically correct, I was rather convibced by no. 3, as it just sounded the most straight-forward to me.
To be honest - though it was a long time ago I was last taught English -, that sentence sounds simple as fuck. On the other hand, when Kreia in Kotor 2 droped this gem on me: "but to know the future, one most know yourself" .... HOW is that not themselves instead of yourself??! These are the sentences whcih make me want to jump out of the window, but these are also the sentences whcih makes me love English so much.
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On December 26 2015 09:19 heishe wrote:
As such I would not be surprised at all if we see a kind of "villains journey" storyline out of Kylo, an idea that intrigues me a lot in general, not just the Star Wars universe (I can't actually off the top of my head think of any example where something like that was pulled off). Of course it remains to be seen if they actually do something good with it.
Well there's a reason because it's rarely pulled off: It just doesn't work out. Especially not in a movie like Star Wars.
On December 26 2015 09:35 Volband wrote:
Just watched the movie a second time, and I am totally on the Phasma hype train. I really hope what she did was in character, as it is exactly the kind of villain we need. We already have two mindless servants of Snooke, it would be really refreshing if Phasma would be self-centered.
Really? She's like the most disposable character in the movie. Also I am pretty sure she died on the Death Star,
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On December 26 2015 09:38 TerransHill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2015 09:19 heishe wrote:
As such I would not be surprised at all if we see a kind of "villains journey" storyline out of Kylo, an idea that intrigues me a lot in general, not just the Star Wars universe (I can't actually off the top of my head think of any example where something like that was pulled off). Of course it remains to be seen if they actually do something good with it. Well there's a reason because it's rarely pulled off: It just doesn't work out. Especially not in a movie like Star Wars. Show nested quote +On December 26 2015 09:35 Volband wrote:
Just watched the movie a second time, and I am totally on the Phasma hype train. I really hope what she did was in character, as it is exactly the kind of villain we need. We already have two mindless servants of Snooke, it would be really refreshing if Phasma would be self-centered.
Really? She's like the most disposable character in the movie. Also I am pretty sure she died on the Death Star,
Based on her role in TFA she is disposable, yes, but she has great potential. Captain of the stormtroopers with some fancy-ass armor? It just screams "explore my character, please!!" There is absolutely no way they would kill such a cool, and so far mysterious character off-screen.
Now, the general is a faithful servant of Snooke, and Ren pretty much depends on him. He has his own agenda, but he is on extremely tight leash. Now, Captain Phasma could be a real nice fresh breath of air among these two. I just like the idea of a villain, whose first response when put in life or death situation over sabotaging her own side is not "LONG LIVE SNOOKE, I WILL NEVER BETRAY MY LORD AND SAVIOUR", but "Yeah, I'm way too fucking amazing to just practically commit suicide for these idiots, so here you go, we will kill you anyway eventually. "
She's like Boba Fett: she already has the cool factor, and now (in case they did not do it already) the creators will have ~2 years to come up with some amazing background to her as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the writers would pit her against Finn, as they are pretty much polar opposites, as Phasma is the highest ranked stormtrooper, while Finn deserted from their ranks the first time possible.
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Loved the movie, can't wait till the next one. I feel like they captured what made the original trilogy good pretty well here. Humor nailed it too as far as I'm concerned, like the scene where Kylo Ren was raging after Rey escaping, he yells for guards and two Storm Troopers happen to wander to the scene and just turn around like nope didn't hear or see anything not our problem.
- Phasma did like nothing in the entire movie but disable their death planets shields, lol. Like maybe just get shot in the face instead.
- Kylo Ren for now is like a wannabe/poor mans vader, that seemed completely intended though.
- I thought Snoke was some huge alien race but then it turned out to be a hologram, guess he's human size but just gets kicks from that or something.
- Kind of saw the Kylo Ren&Han Solo scene coming from a mile away so it lacked some impact for me.
Rey's background? I kind of assumed she was Luke's daughter while my friend was saying shes just Luke's former student who got jedi mind tricked into forgetting the training etc.
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On December 25 2015 16:49 malcram wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2015 15:00 Deathstar wrote:On December 25 2015 12:41 shin_toss wrote:On December 25 2015 03:35 BeStFAN wrote:i recently went to a toy store for christmas shopping. it was very interesting to see girls looking for lightsabers and playing with rey action figures instead of princess or pink toys. it's very encouraging to see that girls can also enjoy what i enjoyed as a kid In my country too, was really surprised that every mall store has a Star Wars related merchandise, and surprised too that a lot of people enjoyed it esp the kids. That's the point. Plot and lore follows the merchandise. Black stormtrooper? random girl competing with a jedi trained by luke skywalker? More and more markets to sell merchandise to. Thank you disney. Also, that sun eating planet is really pitiful. The empire was better off making a bunch of deathstars as opposed to a single planet that can be taken out by 4 fighters what a joke. And stormtroopers still can't aim. I thought they are trained from birth. My suspension can only go so far. are you coming back in episode VIII?
Let's leave the memory of the Deathstar in peace. It will always be in our hearts and in our memory. OG doomsday super weapon.
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On December 26 2015 06:27 tofucake wrote:
2. All of this was explained
Not in the film.
You don't think there's an issue if a film doesn't make sense unless you've read a few pages of background info not in it?
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On December 26 2015 09:32 Gorsameth wrote:
What Kylo is lacking right now and what causes the 'hate' is a complete lack of motive. Yes he looks up to his granddad in Vader but there needs to be some catalyst that pushes him over the edge into killing/torturing. Right now that is missing from the movie and it hurts the character.
True, but I don't think it's as if he's been completely thrown over the edge. He's obviously searching for a true motive for the whole movie. It's easy to torture/kill behind a mask, but I thought it was well done when he's interrogating Rey and takes his helmet off: he's clearly shaken by it and has serious second thoughts.
I would agree if he was completely villainous and didn't have a legit motive, but part of his character is that he's trying to be Vader for no real reason. At least that's how I interpreted it. I agree with the chap who talked about a "villain's arc/journey," Kylo-Ren could become a home-run or a complete dud through the next two movies.
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calling it now that he will refuse to take off the mask as he progresses further into the Dark side/his training.
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On December 26 2015 15:43 Kipsate wrote:
calling it now that he will refuse to take off the mask as he progresses further into the Dark side/his training.
Do you think they saved his mask as well from the destruction? I can imagine Ren throwing a tantrum while being escorted to a transport ship, that he won't leave without it.
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On December 26 2015 06:27 tofucake wrote:
2. All of this was explained: The FO is basically the Imperial Remnant. Snoke commanded a large portion of the Imperial Navy, and fled with them to the Unknown Regions when the Emperor died. The FO is a very small government in control of few planets. The Republic was reestablished after Episode 6, which was only a few years after 4. The Galactic Senate was only finally dissolved in 4, so there's still plenty of the infrastructure for the senate around. The New Republic didn't see the FO as a threat, but a few senators did, and they privately financed the Resistance, which is a group that does think the FO is a threat and wants to stop them. The X-Wing fleet is in fact all the Resistance has in terms of military power. The FO built Starkiller with the express purpose of destroying the New Republic in one fell swoop, which it essentially did, which is why Snoke didn't really care that it was fucked at the end.
When was all of this explained? Did I sleep through an extra hour of footage? Is it hidden in tiny hints and details which you need to rewatch 50 times to understand?
If this is simply background info or some novelization made by Disney then it does not count. We're only talking about the movie here. Besides, a movie should not rely on book authors after the fact in order to explain all of its bullshit.
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On December 26 2015 16:44 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2015 06:27 tofucake wrote:
2. All of this was explained: The FO is basically the Imperial Remnant. Snoke commanded a large portion of the Imperial Navy, and fled with them to the Unknown Regions when the Emperor died. The FO is a very small government in control of few planets. The Republic was reestablished after Episode 6, which was only a few years after 4. The Galactic Senate was only finally dissolved in 4, so there's still plenty of the infrastructure for the senate around. The New Republic didn't see the FO as a threat, but a few senators did, and they privately financed the Resistance, which is a group that does think the FO is a threat and wants to stop them. The X-Wing fleet is in fact all the Resistance has in terms of military power. The FO built Starkiller with the express purpose of destroying the New Republic in one fell swoop, which it essentially did, which is why Snoke didn't really care that it was fucked at the end.
When was all of this explained? Did I sleep through an extra hour of footage? Is it hidden in tiny hints and details which you need to rewatch 50 times to understand? If this is simply background info or some novelization made by Disney then it does not count. We're only talking about the movie here. Besides, a movie should not rely on book authors after the fact in order to explain all of its bullshit.
I think he means that this was already explained in this thread, because very little if any of that exists in the movie. Which is really too bad, because that's an interesting backdrop they've created, but for whatever reason they've tried to eliminate all politicky stuff. I've heard them talk about how a lot of IV's politics implied, but IV also only had two sides and lacked the expectation from a previous film that there Rebel Alliance ought to have gained some sort of power in the mean time. The fact that there are at least three sides and the Resistance has even less war material than in Episode V (they did have Nebulon B Frigate after all) requires a little bit more explaining, in my opinion. I still enjoyed the film, but I think a 30 year gap does require a little bit more explanation- I hope the next one fills in some holes. Or this is a case where I actually wouldn't mind the DVD release throw in an extra scene or two that explains the political situation (and with a map. I love maps.)
For instance, was it ever mentioned that the Death Planet base was in the Unknown Regions? That name alone gives a great explanation for why no-one the knew of the First Order or that they were making a Starkiller. You don't even need to know anything about the Star Wars maps- the name says it all. Based on the visual clues they were giving when the Imperials did a five gun salute, I assumed everything was in the same solar system, but apparently these star systems are half a galaxy away.
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On December 26 2015 17:01 Falling wrote:
For instance, was it ever mentioned that the Death Planet base was in the Unknown Regions? That name alone gives a great explanation for why no-one the knew of the First Order or that they were making a Starkiller. You don't even need to know anything about the Star Wars maps- the name says it all. Based on the visual clues they were giving when the Imperials did a five gun salute, I assumed everything was in the same solar system, but apparently these star systems are half a galaxy away.
It didn't help that TFA lacks any notion of scale. All travel time is cut from the movie and intergalactic events are watched in the sky with real time.
Oh and that map you linked makes the Luke treasure map even more hilarious. How is that part of space, which appears to be somewhere in the mid rim entirely unexplored (not just uninhabited but not knowing star formations) Oo
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The Unknown Region has always existed like that in the Expanded Universe- whether it makes sense is another matter, given that Coruscant and most of the Core World planets are super close to the Unknown Region. I think the explanation is that it's super dangerous and was never explored. But that all EU that was decanonized, so who really knows.
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Oh, you mean the Mid Rim. Yeah, I have no idea. That's supposed to be charted territory. Honestly the piece of the puzzle was waaaay too big. They should've been able to figure it out contextually by matching constellations. The puzzle piece needed to be so small that they would need to zoom in like crazy into some cluster (*enhance. Enhance again*) The piece they showed was like 1/10th of the galaxy.
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Phasma sucked. Im was expecting an elite soldier or something like boba fett. just got pussy tackled by chewy and gg. what a waste
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Just noticed JJ abrams was the creator of the series "Lost". Oh my god, my expectation for VIII just went downhill tremendously.
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Hyrule19057 Posts
I've only seen TFA once, but most of that was explained if you pay attention to the dialogue (and also have seen the OT). The Unknown Regions are in The Clone Wars series (officially canon). Starkiller Base originating in the UR is from the Star Wars magazine (also officially canon). There are several lines of dialogue in the movie which explain the Resistance's tiny fleet of X-Wings.
You can criticize TFA in two ways: looking at it as a standalone action movie, where most of these details are irrelevant, or as another chapter in Star Wars. If doing the latter, as you guys seem to be doing, you should at least read up on, if not actually watch (and read the magazine) all of the canon components. Otherwise you're missing important information. It'd be like critiquing Return of the Jedi after watching A New Hope but skipping Empire Strikes Back: you're missing important plot points and then calling ROTJ bad because it glosses over a lot of important details.
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On December 26 2015 23:02 tofucake wrote:.
You can criticize TFA in two ways: looking at it as a standalone action movie, where most of these details are irrelevant, or as another chapter in Star Wars. If doing the latter, as you guys seem to be doing, you should at least read up on, if not actually watch (and read the magazine) all of the canon components. Otherwise you're missing important information. It'd be like critiquing Return of the Jedi after watching A New Hope but skipping Empire Strikes Back: you're missing important plot points and then calling ROTJ bad because it glosses over a lot of important details.
That's ridiculous. Can't expect people to read all of that crap. The movies should stand for themselves and everything covered in the books, magazines etc. needs to be disconnected from the movies and provide some "nice to know" facts at best, for people who are really hardcore into Star Wars.
Cant really compare that with RotJ because of course you're supposed to watch all movies of a trilogy, but not all the background material.
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It's not background material, it's actual primary story content. The Clone Wars is another movie and 6 seasons of story about (primarily) Anakin, Obi-wan, Asohka, and Yoda. You can try to tell me that it's ancillary all you want, but it's not.
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On December 26 2015 22:58 Foxxan wrote:
Just noticed JJ abrams was the creator of the series "Lost". Oh my god, my expectation for VIII just went downhill tremendously.
You mean one of the most iconic TV shows of our generation? (also, keep in mind he was there for like... 6 episodes or so? he had nothing to do with the later seasons, though I liked those too)
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On December 26 2015 22:58 Foxxan wrote:
Just noticed JJ abrams was the creator of the series "Lost". Oh my god, my expectation for VIII just went downhill tremendously.
JJ Abrams isn't directing the next movie in the trilogy.
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