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On December 27 2015 08:47 Deathstar wrote:
Funny thing is Rey is deliberately made to look as masculine as possible. Whatever floats your boat.
It sounds like you're trying to insult people by saying they're secretly gay, or trying to say the character is unattractive, like it'd be a bad thing to look masculine? What's the deal here?
On December 27 2015 09:23 Deathstar wrote:I don't care too much about this girl to go deep into this, but she fits a scavenger look so that's good. I think it was good this time around. Hollywood wasn't trying to distract me from their shit plot with a hot looking girl. I just found the comments on Rey weird. She's designed to not be a sexual object but people objectify her anyway. + Show Spoiler +blah blah beauty in the eye of beholder
So you're taking umbrage with the fact that people find a strong, interesting female lead appealing?
Rey/the actress has a strong sexual charisma on screen. The best comparison in the original trilogy would probably be Han Solo, right? He's the hottest presence in those movies. Rey's not dissimilar from that, she stands at the fore of the other leads, if you ask me.
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Umbrage = offense or annoyance. You should know your words before you use them.
Umbrage isn't remotely close to the sentiment of my posts. I found the post below amusing and then I elaborated why I found it amusing.
On December 27 2015 08:16 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 05:39 chrisolo wrote:
I loved the film. I absolutely enjoyed it and would watch it again in the theatre (probably even will).
Also Rey is hot as fuck, totally my type. Wow.
9.5/10 Rey is smoking. I agree 1000% lol
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On December 26 2015 09:35 Volband wrote:Just watched the movie a second time, and I am totally on the Phasma hype train. I really hope what she did was in character, as it is exactly the kind of villain we need. We already have two mindless servants of Snooke, it would be really refreshing if Phasma would be self-centered. Show nested quote +On December 26 2015 08:33 shin_toss wrote:On December 25 2015 17:32 Volband wrote:On December 25 2015 12:41 shin_toss wrote:On December 25 2015 03:35 BeStFAN wrote:i recently went to a toy store for christmas shopping. it was very interesting to see girls looking for lightsabers and playing with rey action figures instead of princess or pink toys. it's very encouraging to see that girls can also enjoy what i enjoyed as a kid  In my country too, was really surprised that every mall store has a Star Wars related merchandise, and surprised too that a lot of people enjoyed it esp the kids. Wait... you were surprised that kids eat up toys? What do kids usually do in your country? On December 25 2015 16:49 malcram wrote:On December 25 2015 15:00 Deathstar wrote:On December 25 2015 12:41 shin_toss wrote:On December 25 2015 03:35 BeStFAN wrote:i recently went to a toy store for christmas shopping. it was very interesting to see girls looking for lightsabers and playing with rey action figures instead of princess or pink toys. it's very encouraging to see that girls can also enjoy what i enjoyed as a kid In my country too, was really surprised that every mall store has a Star Wars related merchandise, and surprised too that a lot of people enjoyed it esp the kids. That's the point. Plot and lore follows the merchandise. Black stormtrooper? random girl competing with a jedi trained by luke skywalker? More and more markets to sell merchandise to. Thank you disney. Also, that sun eating planet is really pitiful. The empire was better off making a bunch of deathstars as opposed to a single planet that can be taken out by 4 fighters what a joke. And stormtroopers still can't aim. I thought they are trained from birth. My suspension can only go so far. are you coming back in episode VIII? Maybe this time they should try building it smaller than the original Deathstar. Going bigger is clearly not the way for blasting into the Deathstar market. Lol @ your comprehension What on Earth did I hit a nerve with? :D + Show Spoiler [English 10... 2?] +In my country too = same thing is happening in your country as it was described by the one you quoted.
was really surprised that every mall store has a Star Wars related merchandise = star wars is basically everywhere, and you are surprised,
and surprised too that a lot of people enjoyed it = ALSO (in addition, etc.) you did not expect that it would be as well-recieved as it is. Now it most probably refers to the merchandise, aka the toys, but I suppose it could refer to the fact that SW is everywhere.
Now the hard part.
esp the kids = 1. Not sure if the sentence itself could be misinterpreted that you were surprised EVEN MORE that the kids were the ones who liked it, in which case it would be translated to "I was surprised that so many people liked it [what it refers to does not matter now], and I was especially surprised that it was liked by the kids"
2. It could possibly mean the same as the previous example, with the addition of "especially" referring to the fact that it was mostly liked by the kids, but would still suggest you are surprised because it was liked by the kids. But I guess especially would have to have two meanings in this case, not sure if it can be used like that.
3. However, the way I interpreted (or comprehended) it, is that you were surprised that it [once again, does not matter what it means] was well-received, and you just simply added the extra info that it was mainly a kids' favorite.
I am fucking lost already btw, so in case you guys forgot that exact part of the sentence I was talking to so far: "and [I was] surprised too that a lot of people enjoyed it esp the kids."
My response was, as I just said, to the third interpretation of your sentence, as I found it a bit funny that you felt the need of adding that the merchandise (which is mainly kid stuff to begin with) was very liked by kids too. It's just... funny?
Now, I'm unsure whether your sentence could mean all the three possible things I just wrote down, but in my language, you don't need to make big alterations to the oriignal sentence to fit each of the points. The literal translations would be like:
1. And [I was] surprised too that a lot of people enjoyed it, and especially that it was [enjoyed by] the kids as well.
2. And [I was] surprised too that a lot of people enjoyed it, and especially that it was mainly [enjoyed by the kids.
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Number 3. would sound the same as it was written originally, and while number 1. and 2. might be grammatically correct, I was rather convibced by no. 3, as it just sounded the most straight-forward to me.
To be honest - though it was a long time ago I was last taught English -, that sentence sounds simple as fuck. On the other hand, when Kreia in Kotor 2 droped this gem on me: "but to know the future, one most know yourself" .... HOW is that not themselves instead of yourself??! These are the sentences whcih make me want to jump out of the window, but these are also the sentences whcih makes me love English so much.
simple sentence can't understand lol.
1.) Most kids have no idea and even teens have no idea of StarWars, that's why I'm surprised. The whole world is not USA (obviously here..was expecting only SW , Sci-fi fans would be hyped)
2.) "SW is everywhere?" Nope.. if you have SNS accounts, in many countries, majority of people have no idea about SW
Have you lived in all countries during the EP.7 Hype?(if not, then your argument is invalid)
3.)Obviously the "I'm surprised" = the hype and sw stuff going on exceeded my expectations on how well SW was received,4.)"Wait... you were surprised that kids eat up toys? What do kids usually do in your country?" <- huh??
I just said I was surprised because. (go to No.1)
Not sure why you why you're acting like a dick and also scrutinizing every sentence construction.(newsflash: not everyone speaks English as their native language an). Also that was just merely a response to the poster above me.
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On December 27 2015 10:00 Deathstar wrote:Umbrage = offense or annoyance. You should know your words before you use them. Umbrage isn't remotely close to the sentiment of my posts. I found the post below amusing and then I elaborated why I found it amusing. Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 08:16 darthfoley wrote:On December 27 2015 05:39 chrisolo wrote:
I loved the film. I absolutely enjoyed it and would watch it again in the theatre (probably even will).
Also Rey is hot as fuck, totally my type. Wow.
9.5/10 Rey is smoking. I agree 1000% lol
You can find it amusing all you want lol. She's physically pretty, but I found her personality more appealing than her looks. I agree with you, we aren't hit on the head with reminders that she's "sexy," but her I'll-do-what-I-want attitude and sense of humor really made her attractive, imo. I guess I should've clarified what I meant when I said, "smoking hot."
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the character is feminist inspired. Basicly the character rey could be male or female it wouldnt change the story at least thats what they were going for.
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On December 27 2015 10:00 Deathstar wrote:Umbrage = offense or annoyance. You should know your words before you use them. Umbrage isn't remotely close to the sentiment of my posts. I found the post below amusing and then I elaborated why I found it amusing. Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 08:16 darthfoley wrote:On December 27 2015 05:39 chrisolo wrote:
I loved the film. I absolutely enjoyed it and would watch it again in the theatre (probably even will).
Also Rey is hot as fuck, totally my type. Wow.
9.5/10 Rey is smoking. I agree 1000% lol
You definitely seemed, or I wouldn't have mentioned it, bothered that people are responding favorably to a magnetic lead.
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On December 27 2015 09:23 Deathstar wrote:I don't care too much about this girl to go deep into this, but she fits a scavenger look so that's good. I think it was good this time around. Hollywood wasn't trying to distract me from their shit plot with a hot looking girl. I just found the comments on Rey weird. She's designed to not be a sexual object but people objectify her anyway. + Show Spoiler +blah blah beauty in the eye of beholder
I'm not sure how it's a legit concern after seeing her in the movie. But I'll try to elaborate.
The only characters I was hyped for were Kylo and Phasma. Finn looked like he was overacting in every single trailer shot, and we did not know anything about Rey, and it did not help she almost looked like a boy. She had an extremely minimalist look, so it really had to be like your type to spread the Rey is bae word around. It's definitely not mine.
But the cliché that eventually made her so popular is not (just) eye of the beholder, but rather that beauty is on the inside. She's energetic and strong-willed, something that peaks your interest, as she suddenly turns into from an OK looking girl to an OK looking girl who also seems to be a really exciting individual to have around. But she also has a side to her which can be appealing to those who are more into cutesy girls, and its shown in the sequence when we see her at her home then chilling at the leg of the AT-AT. First of all, she is living a very modest life, which makes you respect her previous attributes even more, and subconsciously makes you care foor her a bit more. No one should live like that, and especially not someone like her, who actually tries her best to survive, but at the end of the day, she depends on greedy people. I think every human relationship gets deeper, when two people share something intimate, and seeing her living condition fits into that, as it cracks the surface. Onto her cutesy side, it's cool how she has these Rebel memorabilias, and it's an instant heart-stealer when she puts up the pilot helmet and you can see how much she's enjoying herself at dreamland. Now she's not just OK looking and interesting, but seems rather fun too! I think the latter quality could make anyone turn into desireable, because everyone likes to have fun.
And to top it all, she is kind. Probably not the first quality you would look for, but once again, it's really hard not to like someone who is just overall a positive person. And she doesn't bullshit around! Not selling BB-8 or not throwing a tantrum over Finn's coming out were just making it obvious that this girl is a fucking catch. You didn't even recognize, but she went from an OK looking girl to Ray is bae, and it's all thanks to her character.
In addition, her clothing is awesome (just like everyone's in TFA), and I will never understand how seemingly useless accessories like long ass sleeves can make girls look so much hotter, but it works. And she works out as well! She has the perfect body, where she's not making you question your sexuality, having bigger arms than you. She's just fit, which is once again, sexy. Not only it makes her reach perfect curves, but it tells you that she gives a fuck, which is once again, a much appreciated quality in any human being. And her legs... Jesus, when she was walking those stairs at the end, I did not even care for the inevitable Luke reveal; those legs have been worked on hard.
Honestly, I am not seeing any sexualization towards Rey, unless being attracted to someone and voicing it means you sexualize that person. She's not getting al this fandom because she has XXL breasts or some porn-lips; it's all because of her inner qualities, which eventually make you fall for the whole package. Chances are high that she is going to lose an arm, but at this point, you wouldn't even mind.
I really don't understand your question, because it's usually asked when the girl or woman we are talking about has some glaring, huge turn-off trait. Like someone looks like a bomb, but is a total bitch. Or she has a nice personality, but her look is highly questionable, like has huge nose or a squint-eye, or very fat, or very thin, etc.
On December 27 2015 10:18 shin_toss wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2015 09:35 Volband wrote:Just watched the movie a second time, and I am totally on the Phasma hype train. I really hope what she did was in character, as it is exactly the kind of villain we need. We already have two mindless servants of Snooke, it would be really refreshing if Phasma would be self-centered. On December 26 2015 08:33 shin_toss wrote:On December 25 2015 17:32 Volband wrote:On December 25 2015 12:41 shin_toss wrote:On December 25 2015 03:35 BeStFAN wrote:i recently went to a toy store for christmas shopping. it was very interesting to see girls looking for lightsabers and playing with rey action figures instead of princess or pink toys. it's very encouraging to see that girls can also enjoy what i enjoyed as a kid In my country too, was really surprised that every mall store has a Star Wars related merchandise, and surprised too that a lot of people enjoyed it esp the kids. Wait... you were surprised that kids eat up toys? What do kids usually do in your country? On December 25 2015 16:49 malcram wrote:On December 25 2015 15:00 Deathstar wrote:On December 25 2015 12:41 shin_toss wrote:On December 25 2015 03:35 BeStFAN wrote:i recently went to a toy store for christmas shopping. it was very interesting to see girls looking for lightsabers and playing with rey action figures instead of princess or pink toys. it's very encouraging to see that girls can also enjoy what i enjoyed as a kid In my country too, was really surprised that every mall store has a Star Wars related merchandise, and surprised too that a lot of people enjoyed it esp the kids. That's the point. Plot and lore follows the merchandise. Black stormtrooper? random girl competing with a jedi trained by luke skywalker? More and more markets to sell merchandise to. Thank you disney. Also, that sun eating planet is really pitiful. The empire was better off making a bunch of deathstars as opposed to a single planet that can be taken out by 4 fighters what a joke. And stormtroopers still can't aim. I thought they are trained from birth. My suspension can only go so far. are you coming back in episode VIII? Maybe this time they should try building it smaller than the original Deathstar. Going bigger is clearly not the way for blasting into the Deathstar market. Lol @ your comprehension What on Earth did I hit a nerve with? :D + Show Spoiler [English 10... 2?] +In my country too = same thing is happening in your country as it was described by the one you quoted.
was really surprised that every mall store has a Star Wars related merchandise = star wars is basically everywhere, and you are surprised,
and surprised too that a lot of people enjoyed it = ALSO (in addition, etc.) you did not expect that it would be as well-recieved as it is. Now it most probably refers to the merchandise, aka the toys, but I suppose it could refer to the fact that SW is everywhere.
Now the hard part.
esp the kids = 1. Not sure if the sentence itself could be misinterpreted that you were surprised EVEN MORE that the kids were the ones who liked it, in which case it would be translated to "I was surprised that so many people liked it [what it refers to does not matter now], and I was especially surprised that it was liked by the kids"
2. It could possibly mean the same as the previous example, with the addition of "especially" referring to the fact that it was mostly liked by the kids, but would still suggest you are surprised because it was liked by the kids. But I guess especially would have to have two meanings in this case, not sure if it can be used like that.
3. However, the way I interpreted (or comprehended) it, is that you were surprised that it [once again, does not matter what it means] was well-received, and you just simply added the extra info that it was mainly a kids' favorite.
I am fucking lost already btw, so in case you guys forgot that exact part of the sentence I was talking to so far: "and [I was] surprised too that a lot of people enjoyed it esp the kids."
My response was, as I just said, to the third interpretation of your sentence, as I found it a bit funny that you felt the need of adding that the merchandise (which is mainly kid stuff to begin with) was very liked by kids too. It's just... funny?
Now, I'm unsure whether your sentence could mean all the three possible things I just wrote down, but in my language, you don't need to make big alterations to the oriignal sentence to fit each of the points. The literal translations would be like:
1. And [I was] surprised too that a lot of people enjoyed it, and especially that it was [enjoyed by] the kids as well.
2. And [I was] surprised too that a lot of people enjoyed it, and especially that it was mainly [enjoyed by the kids.
]
Number 3. would sound the same as it was written originally, and while number 1. and 2. might be grammatically correct, I was rather convibced by no. 3, as it just sounded the most straight-forward to me.
To be honest - though it was a long time ago I was last taught English -, that sentence sounds simple as fuck. On the other hand, when Kreia in Kotor 2 droped this gem on me: "but to know the future, one most know yourself" .... HOW is that not themselves instead of yourself??! These are the sentences whcih make me want to jump out of the window, but these are also the sentences whcih makes me love English so much.
simple sentence can't understand lol. 1.) Most kids have no idea and even teens have no idea of StarWars, that's why I'm surprised. The whole world is not USA (obviously here..was expecting only SW , Sci-fi fans would be hyped) 2.) "SW is everywhere?" Nope.. if you have SNS accounts, in many countries, majority of people have no idea about SW Have you lived in all countries during the EP.7 Hype?(if not, then your argument is invalid) 3.)Obviously the "I'm surprised" = the hype and sw stuff going on exceeded my expectations on how well SW was received,4.)"Wait... you were surprised that kids eat up toys? What do kids usually do in your country?" <- huh?? I just said I was surprised because. (go to No.1) Not sure why you why you're acting like a dick and also scrutinizing every sentence construction.(newsflash: not everyone speaks English as their native language an). Also that was just merely a response to the poster above me.
Jesus, man, I just asked a question jokingly, you don't need to bring the Spanish Inquisition with you. I even asked if I understood you correctly, giving you an easy way to say "no, that's not what I meant." Now I would ask whether Santa gave you coal that you are this grumpy, but just forget it. I don't want to go down in history as the guy who caused WW3.
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On December 27 2015 08:47 Deathstar wrote:
Funny thing is Rey is deliberately made to look as masculine as possible. Whatever floats your boat.
Cool story bro. You might educate yourself on what is masculine and what is feminine.
A cute fit chick, with cool character, that is adorable is not masculine, even if she has a lead role in a movie. Someone like the actress of Phasma is a masculine female. Seriously man, I can understand that not everyone finds Rey attractive, but to say she is masculine is quite exaggerated, dude.
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Onto her cutesy side, it's cool how she has these Rebel memorabilias, and it's an instant heart-stealer when she puts up the pilot helmet and you can see how much she's enjoying herself at dreamland.
Rey was my favourite character (although BB8 is pretty adorable), and I loved that helmet scene. It's such a little moment that didn't need to be there for pacing reasons, but was sooo good for giving a little character moment. After that she'd have to kill Chewbacca or something for me to not like her.
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This movie was disappointing. Even after watching episodes 1-3. What a clusterfuck.
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On December 26 2015 00:32 KadaverBB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2015 22:20 Manit0u wrote:
It is pretty obvious that the movie was primarily targeted at audiences that haven't seen the previous movies (like my wife, who hasn't seen any of the OT or PT but absolutely loved this one). It reminded me a lot about Star Trek reboot by JJ. I've never really liked ST, seen a couple of episodes, maybe one or two movies in the past but disregarded it as not good. Then I went to the movie in 2009 because a friend wanted to go. I've left the screening certain that I've just witnessed the movie of the year. Have seen it like 20 times since and I wouldn't mind seeing it again.
I just hope that people for whom this is the first SW experience have the same feeling. I wish TL had an 11th commandment, letting me ban anyone that dislikes old Star Trek but likes new Star Trek. You people are terrible 
Well, the new movies made me not hate the old ones, so there's that at least
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Pretty sure Rey was male originally when written, and changed from him to her some time during casting.
She will be made a romantic interest for a male role in Ep.VIII for sure. It won't last.
When JJ Abrams made his terrible Star Trek, I insulted him by saying he should have directed Star Wars instead. It is an insult to say that. Star Trek and Star Wars are, or were, so different.
Abrams did not prove me wrong. In fact, he got a better script writer this time.
Sure, both the Star Trek reboot and this new Star Wars have plots that are 100% rehashed from previous Star [x] movies. But this Star Wars has less plot holes than Star Trek. And that while Star Wars is indifferent to plot holes, Star Trek is ruined by plot holes.
Star Wars is about the experience. Granted, all Trek movies ever were bad; it is about the series. But at least in this Star Wars the people in it talk like real humans. In Abrams' Star Trek, people talk like Transformers or Fast&Furious script writers.
I love how the whole internet is trying to turn Phasma into the new Boba Fett. If not for the internet, I wouldn't have know it's that GoT female knight inside the armor. Prob no one would have cared. And I can't say I am incredibly attached to Brienne. She feels cold, one-dimensional and yes as a male I decide how nice I think a person is based on how nice she looks. And they made her look even less attractive, more masculine than the actress playing her is.
All that said, let's face the fact that most if not all females do not have the power to fight a male and let's face it that males fight for females. Yes, our society is different now. But if you are fighting to protect your women and capture those of your enemies, you don't put exactly those people in the front lines. That would be true even if females were superior in fighting ability, not inferior.
So, let's stop trying to force females into combat roles. Instead, let's move away from combat roles being important. Only cannon fodder does actual combat.
Like most males, I am prone to romanticizing combat. Let's not make it worse by making art that appeals to those male instincts. Once in all movies all soldiers are the losers of society, like it is in real life, maybe the real world will also improve and there is also more room for strong female leads as a female lead does not mean a female soldier.
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On December 24 2015 01:45 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2015 23:05 Rookie6 wrote:
Just changing the subject. Am I the only one who wants the next movie to start with Han´s funeral? I think we didn´t had so much time to say goodbye to the character. To have a funeral, you must have a body (and that was lost with the Starkiller Base). On another note, since people are constantly complaining about Rey beating Kylo... Haven't the idea of Rey taking saber-combat knowledge from Kylo occured to you? I've said it in the spoilers previously but we're done with that now so here it goes again: Kylo is definitely winning the duel, right up until the point where he tells Rey that he can teach her. That's when this seemingly awkward scene happens, where Rey is concentrating while Kylo is visibly shaken. My thought on the matter is that Rey used the first jedi trick she learned from Kylo and simply invaded his mind to gain the knowledge she needed. Notice that after doing that she completely changes her fighting style, to one much resembling that of Kylo himself. It isn't graceful, it's rather straightforward and at the same time dirty (trying to overpower your opponent and inflicting painful wounds on him). Definitely among the top 3 lightsaber fights across all movies so far. There's so much going on that it's ridiculous, you could spend days analyzing just this scene alone.
Just like in all the other Star Wars movies, I saw two incredibly incompetent sword fighters wailing on each other's swords instead of actually trying to use the ludicrous amounts of openings to strike a killing blow.
Nonetheless, I liked the duels a lot more than any of the light sabre duels in EP1-3. I think I still like the duels in EP4-6 the most: luke was a clumsy, horrible sword fighter in EP4 and would remain a clumsy, horrible sword fighter right up until his final confrontation with Darth Vader in EP6, which he lost. It establishes Luke as a highly force-sensitive person who lacks both the martial and the force training (even though Yoda's training on Dagobah evened the odds a little with regards to the latter).
Up until this point I am not sure where I'd rank Luke Skywalker in terms of force abilities. His skills, prowess or even talent are far from any of the old masters' such as Yoda, Qui-Gon Jinn or Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader, which makes me think that overal he's mediocre, but just happened to be in the right place at the right time. I know Vader says that "The Force is strong in this one", but it never really shows in anything he does. If he had gone up against the likes of Darth Maul he would have gotten slaughtered.
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On December 27 2015 20:39 maartendq wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2015 01:45 Manit0u wrote:On December 23 2015 23:05 Rookie6 wrote:
Just changing the subject. Am I the only one who wants the next movie to start with Han´s funeral? I think we didn´t had so much time to say goodbye to the character. To have a funeral, you must have a body (and that was lost with the Starkiller Base). On another note, since people are constantly complaining about Rey beating Kylo... Haven't the idea of Rey taking saber-combat knowledge from Kylo occured to you? I've said it in the spoilers previously but we're done with that now so here it goes again: Kylo is definitely winning the duel, right up until the point where he tells Rey that he can teach her. That's when this seemingly awkward scene happens, where Rey is concentrating while Kylo is visibly shaken. My thought on the matter is that Rey used the first jedi trick she learned from Kylo and simply invaded his mind to gain the knowledge she needed. Notice that after doing that she completely changes her fighting style, to one much resembling that of Kylo himself. It isn't graceful, it's rather straightforward and at the same time dirty (trying to overpower your opponent and inflicting painful wounds on him). Definitely among the top 3 lightsaber fights across all movies so far. There's so much going on that it's ridiculous, you could spend days analyzing just this scene alone. Just like in all the other Star Wars movies, I saw two incredibly incompetent sword fighters wailing on each other's swords instead of actually trying to use the ludicrous amounts of openings to strike a killing blow. Nonetheless, I liked the duels a lot more than any of the light sabre duels in EP1-3. I think I still like the duels in EP4-6 the most: luke was a clumsy, horrible sword fighter in EP4 and would remain a clumsy, horrible sword fighter right up until his final confrontation with Darth Vader in EP6, which he lost. It establishes Luke as a highly force-sensitive person who lacks both the martial and the force training (even though Yoda's training on Dagobah evened the odds a little with regards to the latter). Up until this point I am not sure where I'd rank Luke Skywalker in terms of force abilities. His skills, prowess or even talent are far from any of the old masters' such as Yoda, Qui-Gon Jinn or Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader, which makes me think that overal he's mediocre, but just happened to be in the right place at the right time. I know Vader says that "The Force is strong in this one", but it never really shows in anything he does. If he had gone up against the likes of Darth Maul he would have gotten slaughtered.
Luke is one of the strongest force users to ever exist...
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On December 27 2015 20:44 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 20:39 maartendq wrote:On December 24 2015 01:45 Manit0u wrote:On December 23 2015 23:05 Rookie6 wrote:
Just changing the subject. Am I the only one who wants the next movie to start with Han´s funeral? I think we didn´t had so much time to say goodbye to the character. To have a funeral, you must have a body (and that was lost with the Starkiller Base). On another note, since people are constantly complaining about Rey beating Kylo... Haven't the idea of Rey taking saber-combat knowledge from Kylo occured to you? I've said it in the spoilers previously but we're done with that now so here it goes again: Kylo is definitely winning the duel, right up until the point where he tells Rey that he can teach her. That's when this seemingly awkward scene happens, where Rey is concentrating while Kylo is visibly shaken. My thought on the matter is that Rey used the first jedi trick she learned from Kylo and simply invaded his mind to gain the knowledge she needed. Notice that after doing that she completely changes her fighting style, to one much resembling that of Kylo himself. It isn't graceful, it's rather straightforward and at the same time dirty (trying to overpower your opponent and inflicting painful wounds on him). Definitely among the top 3 lightsaber fights across all movies so far. There's so much going on that it's ridiculous, you could spend days analyzing just this scene alone. Just like in all the other Star Wars movies, I saw two incredibly incompetent sword fighters wailing on each other's swords instead of actually trying to use the ludicrous amounts of openings to strike a killing blow. Nonetheless, I liked the duels a lot more than any of the light sabre duels in EP1-3. I think I still like the duels in EP4-6 the most: luke was a clumsy, horrible sword fighter in EP4 and would remain a clumsy, horrible sword fighter right up until his final confrontation with Darth Vader in EP6, which he lost. It establishes Luke as a highly force-sensitive person who lacks both the martial and the force training (even though Yoda's training on Dagobah evened the odds a little with regards to the latter). Up until this point I am not sure where I'd rank Luke Skywalker in terms of force abilities. His skills, prowess or even talent are far from any of the old masters' such as Yoda, Qui-Gon Jinn or Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader, which makes me think that overal he's mediocre, but just happened to be in the right place at the right time. I know Vader says that "The Force is strong in this one", but it never really shows in anything he does. If he had gone up against the likes of Darth Maul he would have gotten slaughtered. Luke is one of the strongest force users to ever exist...
Others say he is but at no point in the movies does he ever really display it.
Compared to say TFA where Rey overpowers Kaylo several times. (the mind read and force pull lightsaber for example)
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On December 27 2015 20:48 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 20:44 sharkie wrote:On December 27 2015 20:39 maartendq wrote:On December 24 2015 01:45 Manit0u wrote:On December 23 2015 23:05 Rookie6 wrote:
Just changing the subject. Am I the only one who wants the next movie to start with Han´s funeral? I think we didn´t had so much time to say goodbye to the character. To have a funeral, you must have a body (and that was lost with the Starkiller Base). On another note, since people are constantly complaining about Rey beating Kylo... Haven't the idea of Rey taking saber-combat knowledge from Kylo occured to you? I've said it in the spoilers previously but we're done with that now so here it goes again: Kylo is definitely winning the duel, right up until the point where he tells Rey that he can teach her. That's when this seemingly awkward scene happens, where Rey is concentrating while Kylo is visibly shaken. My thought on the matter is that Rey used the first jedi trick she learned from Kylo and simply invaded his mind to gain the knowledge she needed. Notice that after doing that she completely changes her fighting style, to one much resembling that of Kylo himself. It isn't graceful, it's rather straightforward and at the same time dirty (trying to overpower your opponent and inflicting painful wounds on him). Definitely among the top 3 lightsaber fights across all movies so far. There's so much going on that it's ridiculous, you could spend days analyzing just this scene alone. Just like in all the other Star Wars movies, I saw two incredibly incompetent sword fighters wailing on each other's swords instead of actually trying to use the ludicrous amounts of openings to strike a killing blow. Nonetheless, I liked the duels a lot more than any of the light sabre duels in EP1-3. I think I still like the duels in EP4-6 the most: luke was a clumsy, horrible sword fighter in EP4 and would remain a clumsy, horrible sword fighter right up until his final confrontation with Darth Vader in EP6, which he lost. It establishes Luke as a highly force-sensitive person who lacks both the martial and the force training (even though Yoda's training on Dagobah evened the odds a little with regards to the latter). Up until this point I am not sure where I'd rank Luke Skywalker in terms of force abilities. His skills, prowess or even talent are far from any of the old masters' such as Yoda, Qui-Gon Jinn or Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader, which makes me think that overal he's mediocre, but just happened to be in the right place at the right time. I know Vader says that "The Force is strong in this one", but it never really shows in anything he does. If he had gone up against the likes of Darth Maul he would have gotten slaughtered. Luke is one of the strongest force users to ever exist... Others say he is but at no point in the movies does he ever really display it. Compared to say TFA where Rey overpowers Kaylo several times. (the mind read and force pull lightsaber for example)
At no point? He beat Darth Vader, the killer of hundreds of Jedi...
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On December 27 2015 20:44 sharkie wrote:
Luke is one of the strongest force users to ever exist...
Is that Extended Universe?
We haven't seen Luke use any force since RotJ. He barely got any training and only did a lightsaber duel with a guy who could barely move.
But maybe you are right. I mean we have a stormtrooper janitor who has never fired a shot in combat ever fight a Sith with a lightsaber. So that Kylo guy must be pretty weak compared to Luke and Anakin.
What about the normal distribution? So about all Jedi we have ever seen were all amazingly strong force users. Yet thousands of jedi existed for centuries? There's even people saying Rey has superstrong affinity.
Rey and Finn must be mindwiped younglings from Luke's new Jedi academy. Only way to explain it. Which means it is wrong.
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On December 27 2015 20:53 sharkie wrote:
At no point? He beat Darth Vader, the killer of hundreds of Jedi...
You got to wonder how. He could barely move because of his suit, was near-dead without it and he barely used any force powers.
I can see Anakin defeat tons of Jedi by his ability to use the force. But his lightsaber ability was near to 0. I could have beaten Darth Vader as seen in A new Hope. And I'd have beating him with an ordinary saber, not a light saber.
Now I know not everyone is as physically fit, a trained fencer and badass like me, but that just shows something is wrong with the believably. It fails to suspend disbelief for sure here. Just sucks that every new kid that is barely learning to use the force is then suddenly the strongest force user out of the 100,000 force users ever. Stupid hyperbole.
Next movie will be about saving a 100-man space station rather than the entire universe. In these movies you can just snap your finger and a 10+ billion genocide just happened. In a New Hope we had the insta destruction of Alderaan, a planet we knew nothing about. We just get thrown at us the number of 2 billion. But now that isn't enough; no it has to be 5x that?
One of the Hollywood diseases of making the lead characters face the highest odds imaginable in said world. Sad.
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On December 27 2015 20:33 trulojucreathrma.com wrote:
All that said, let's face the fact that most if not all females do not have the power to fight a male and let's face it that males fight for females. Yes, our society is different now. But if you are fighting to protect your women and capture those of your enemies, you don't put exactly those people in the front lines. That would be true even if females were superior in fighting ability, not inferior.
So, let's stop trying to force females into combat roles. Instead, let's move away from combat roles being important. Only cannon fodder does actual combat.
Like most males, I am prone to romanticizing combat. Let's not make it worse by making art that appeals to those male instincts. Once in all movies all soldiers are the losers of society, like it is in real life, maybe the real world will also improve and there is also more room for strong female leads as a female lead does not mean a female soldier.
Being your daughter must not be a fun experience. Expecting some fancy Phasma toys for Christmas, but only getting a cookbook and a starter knitting kit, so she can be a valuable asset supporting the stronger sex when she grows up.
What is the problem exactly with a female being the captain of the stormtroopers? Is it believable? Why wouldn't it be; it's perfectly reasonable that there are female stormtroopers, especially knowing these kids were trained from a very young age, so none of the female stormtroopers were being nurtured into being an obedient, fertile "egg-layer" when they grow up, as their only possibility. Males are capable of reaching higher on a raw strength, but earning the captain rank is not a contest of pure strength. You have to be a decent soldier, sure, but it's more important what's in your head, and at that point, gender does not matter. We (sadly) don't know shit about Phasma, but it doesn't take much effort to figure out that if someone earns the rank of captain of the stormtroopers, have some badass suit with a little cape (only strong heroes/villains gets to use capes!) and is over 2 metres tall in top of that, thus having a respectable appearance... so yeah, she is probably qualified.
Does it send some toxic message to the girls out there? Is encouraging them, or even giving them a choice to stand up to the boys - who are undoubtedly roleplaying as Kylo Ren, Han Solo or Darth Vader right now somewhere - as Rey or Phasma a bad thing? Should TFA had another princess-like character, so it once again sends the message that being a girl is really all about being snuck-up, sit on a high horse and overall do nothing while the likes of Anakin or Han saves your ass numerous times?
I'm not trying to enforce some feminist holy crusade, but when I get the vibe from your post that at the end of the day Phasma is bad influence, because it messes with the mind of the precious females in our hive... That's just way over the top for me. I, for one, am really happy that there will be (and possibly continue to be) a generation of little girls who will have the chance to grow up with the same fantasies as we boys did after watching A New Hope (or whatever we saw first) back then. It's actually heart-warming. And even if I had a daughter, I still wouldn't be worried about her wanting to be a soldier (just like Phasma) one day, knowing that statistically speaking, she had a higher chance ending up in the porn industry than in the military. I mean, it would be her choice at the end of the day, but don't pretend that a cool female soldier villain girls might be obsessed with is what going to be the cancer of the female gender. They have 99 problems but Captain Phasma ain't one.
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For fuck's sake guys, Deathstar made a little joke, some might have found it funny others not but let's not turn some trivial shit into the elephant in the room, ok?
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